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Sorry to double post but want to give Deed of Paksenarrion a read, does anyone have any other good paladin fiction recommendations, other than War Gods Own?
I've only read (or listened to) two out of three books, but I like the Paladin trilogy by Daniel M. Ford. A seasoned lord meets a goddess who ordains him as her paladin and gives powers to him and other people. There's good action scenes, plus it gets into the politics involved with a new religion suddenly sprouting up out of nowhere. And I like Michael Kramer as the audiobook narrator.

I've tried Paksenarrion a few times, but just can't stick with it. It meanders too much for my tastes. Hopefully you like it more than I did.
 
Sorry to double post but want to give Deed of Paksenarrion a read, does anyone have any other good paladin fiction recommendations, other than War Gods Own?

A man of culture to the last! Love Palsenarrion and Elizabeth Moon!

For Paladin fic... Forgotten Warrior Saga by Larry Correia (Ashok Vadal is basically sword and sorcery Judge Dredd), Malazan Book of the Fallen (Itkovian), and Jamethiel Priest's-Bane from P.C. Hodgell's Kencyrath series are my newer favorites.

And if you haven't read the classes, Poul Anderson's Three Hearts and Three Lions, and Robert E. Howard's Solomon Kane.

It's pretty much dead in the industry. B&N isn't even carrying books anymore lol. This was the best most recent thing:

https://youtu.be/AbyPOJcUjw8

This is a really nice thread and if the forum dies I hope to see you guys around.

Likewise - keep on raising hell and lighting fires.
 
B&N tightening its belt if nothing else will force publishers to either take massive losses (or in some cases, even MORE massive losses) or radically change how they do business.
The YA section has the diversity books face out here. Are you certain I won't be seeing as many of these any more? They are basically permanent fixtures in the store like the obama displays... except they don't sell. Most of the YA doesn't sell. It's actually a bit sad seeing no excitement for a book release anymore and women over 25 being the primary YA purchasers.

The clientele here are old women who steal bibles, weirdos who steal the website access keys from porn mags, fat alty women who only buy from the cafe, and aidens. Nearly all the books out front are from political grifters who shill their book to boomers watching the news. Managers were told by corporate to keep the BLM display out indefinitely so it's gathering dust. It's a pretty depressing place with a theft issue. One interesting thing they are doing is having "a blind date with a book" where employees suggest books they've read by wrapping the book in brown paper and writing a description on the shelf label.
So basically Barnes & Noble is putting a stop to so many boring affirmative action books taking up shelf space and collecting dust. Sounds similar to how comic book stores didn't like how Marvel and DC were making lousy comics, only comic book stores didn't have as much leverage to say "no" to them. So much fat got cut from B&N that they found their balls again.
Manga has exploded here as an alternative to comics and B&N has actually been on the ball stocking popular series. The manga shelves outnumber the YA and comic ones. They even stock some of the boys love manga.
 
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And if you haven't read the classes, Poul Anderson's Three Hearts and Three Lions, and Robert E. Howard's Solomon Kane.

Top tier books right here. Every fantasy fan should read these immediately and stop reading degenerate shit like Sarah J. Maas's rape fantasies that are marketed toward teenagers.
 
I haven’t got time to write it up properly tonight, but if anyone wants to check out #Lightlark on Twitter and Reddit in the meantime, there’s a new YA storm of mediocrity brewing!
I'm shocked how the criticism is weirdly muted, at least so far, at least for YA Twitter. No calls for "cancellation" that I'm seeing, just most saying the book is awful and some bemusement that this got a publishing deal at all, never mind with a six figure advance and a pre-publication movie deal. (That last being doubtless borderline meaningless, given the way Hollywood operates. But it is far more than most books get.)

FWIW, I pirated the book last night and read about twenty pages. It is literally Wattpad tier. This is a graduate of UPenn? I am glad to see somebody who suffers from the same chronic condition I do -- Inflammation of the Adverb -- making a go of it, whatever else I can say about this. Beyond that, hawt chick locked away in castle with her "starstick" who after seeing the author's picture made wonder if this is protagonist as self-insert, yet again.

Finally, the media coverage for this is kind of bonkers. Books by debut authors just don't get interviews on Good Morning America, etc.
 
I haven’t got time to write it up properly tonight, but if anyone wants to check out #Lightlark on Twitter and Reddit in the meantime, there’s a new YA storm of mediocrity brewing!
From what I understand it's a mediocre book pushed by a publisher because the author was astroturfed on tiktok?

From the screenshots I've read, this is another case of a derelict editor.
 
Just tell me where to toss them.
I am a total boomer, so I buy Visa giftcards at my local dollar general, and then type up the card info on DMs to Josh through the Farms messaging system. It saves having to learn new technology (bitcoin & the rest) and also makes me think fondly of all the scambaiting YouTube channels (Kitboga, if anyone wants a recommendation) where some Indian guy is pretending to work for Microsoft and says he will totally clean all the viruses off your computer, but only if you give him three $500 Google Play giftcards.
 
Yeah looks like a too-obvious case of the author's new book being astroturfed. She's got connections somewhere so her publisher splurged on her book and evidently it's a real stinker even by YA standards. Like, objectively bad. Full of Wattpad gibberish and flinging tropes about and not explaining even basic shit to the reader because gotta save that for the next book. In addition to that people have picked up on the author comes from a very wealthy family and she's an Ivy League brat living in a spacious NYC apartment. Which is not only possible evidence of nepotism shit going on, but it flies in the face of the "poor widdle me, I struggled so hard and I finally got here with my talent" image she has been presenting herself on social media.

Additionally she's been bragging that a movie studio bought the film rights to her book which is...actually something super common. I remember Larry Correia speaking about this once and how even he's had his Monster Hunter International rights up on someone's shelf.
 
The YA section has the diversity books face out here. Are you certain I won't be seeing as many of these any more?
Give it a few more years, they might just be slowly phasing them out in individual stores since they shipped out so much and can't get rid of them. The B&N I frequent to still has that problem, but I wonder if there's some kind of strategy to rearranging the shelves. All the manga/anime has been moved to downstairs, though I don't know why other than it's because it sells well like you mentioned:
Manga has exploded here as an alternative to comics and B&N has actually been on the ball stocking popular series. The manga shelves outnumber the YA and comic ones. They even stock some of the boys love manga.
They got rid of the little mechanical "bing bong" machine they would have near the video section as well, since that's now taken up by the manga and YA. As far as I can tell they're still gonna sell home video, but after noticing Best Buy didn't have their DVDs and Blu-Rays out the last time I went, I can't help but think there's something up in various retail chains.

Anyhoo what's the "spicy" section I noticed at B&N (shelves were still empty from the reorganizing)? Is that just another term for smut? And if it is, why the fuck is it now situated directly across from the kids' book section? :story:
 
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Also i dont read prize winning books because their boring not because the writers are awful people.
Very true. Literary prize books are like oscar-bait movies. Some of them might genuinely be good, but most are programmatic in hitting certain notes and meant to fan the balls of New York Times book critics.
 
I'm shocked how the criticism is weirdly muted, at least so far, at least for YA Twitter. No calls for "cancellation" that I'm seeing, just most saying the book is awful and some bemusement that this got a publishing deal at all, never mind with a six figure advance and a pre-publication movie deal. (That last being doubtless borderline meaningless, given the way Hollywood operates. But it is far more than most books get.)

Finally, the media coverage for this is kind of bonkers. Books by debut authors just don't get interviews on Good Morning America, etc.

The whole thing is gross and weird, but not unheard of in marketing circles.

Yes, the calls for cancellation are sub-zero, its just a Bad Book. But given the amount of marketing its getting, it's not getting six-figure marketing but SEVEN figure marketing, and it turns out the author's sister has strong connections to a major marketing firm.

The whole Booktok persona is based on the fairytale of getting a book deal, but the reality is a rich girl with two books published in 2020 and 2021 getting a third book out for a great but not wholly stellar deal. Twilight was a 700K deal 15 years ago, and the base figure is in the million-range now.

The Tik Toks are also promoted (ie: paid for) out of her volumous pockets.

From the screenshots I've read, this is another case of a derelict editor.

Or -- to make things really fucked up -- a responsible one, it looks like she is being published by Abram's Books, which are almost purely kids books in their fiction section.

The author has been telling all her tick tok crowd how Lightlark is "hot n spicy" with the associated tropes - and it most certainly is not. But Abrams can't go crazy selling sexy books, because little kid books and board books make up their bread and butter.

Yeah looks like a too-obvious case of the author's new book being astroturfed. She's got connections somewhere so her publisher splurged on her book and evidently it's a real stinker even by YA standards. Like, objectively bad. Full of Wattpad gibberish and flinging tropes about and not explaining even basic shit to the reader because gotta save that for the next book. In addition to that people have picked up on the author comes from a very wealthy family and she's an Ivy League brat living in a spacious NYC apartment. Which is not only possible evidence of nepotism shit going on, but it flies in the face of the "poor widdle me, I struggled so hard and I finally got here with my talent" image she has been presenting herself on social media.

Additionally she's been bragging that a movie studio bought the film rights to her book which is...actually something super common. I remember Larry Correia speaking about this once and how even he's had his Monster Hunter International rights up on someone's shelf.

It reminds me of the Lindsay Ellis situation, she was similarly famous on YouTube, and with stronger ties to her fans, so her manuscript was bought for six-figures of stupidity by St Martin's a few years ago. Needless to say they bombed out.

There were a lot of brain-dead people who pre-purchased Lightlark for the hype - to be fair there is a certain pleasure of reading a new book and being able to squee about it with thousands of fans like you could do in a GoT episode recap, but the advanced reading reviews have been dismal. It will go to #1 on the NYT, but this will kill the YA-For-Adults trope.

The processes for creating hype in the book community are so glaringly obvious, from the special ARC editions that no reader had access to and to the paid book bloggers, that there's now a deep vein of suspicion against anything being pushed TOO hard.
 
The whole Booktok persona is based on the fairytale of getting a book deal, but the reality is a rich girl with two books published in 2020 and 2021 getting a third book out for a great but not wholly stellar deal. Twilight was a 700K deal 15 years ago, and the base figure is in the million-range now.
And I think it was a three-book deal, so it came out to $200,000 per book. Which is BIG, since most books advance for $10K on average, but publishers just tend to pick a few authors per year to get a full press court, a big advance, and (hopefully) guaranteed profits to support those smaller deals.

It is looking like the YA bubble might finally burst. There's just too much not to tighten the belt a little.
 
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Or -- to make things really fucked up -- a responsible one, it looks like she is being published by Abram's Books, which are almost purely kids books in their fiction section.
I meant the quality of the writing. I was just thinking how to reply to this and the first thing I thought was "a real editor would say this is shit writing, do better." Then I remembered these are all women from top to bottom, and God knows they can't do anything but blow flowers up each others arses unless they want tears and a bitch session in their cliques.
 
I meant the quality of the writing. I was just thinking how to reply to this and the first thing I thought was "a real editor would say this is shit writing, do better." Then I remembered these are all women from top to bottom, and God knows they can't do anything but blow flowers up each others arses unless they want tears and a bitch session in their cliques.

There was a similar case with the Axiom’s End /Lindsay Ellis books which were so shit quality (even me in my optimism expected better from her) that it really highlighted how the publisher saw them as being a money printing machine regardless if they were shit or not.

The suspicion was that as editorial work is labor intensive, the least amount of work increases the profit margin, and this book by an author with a built in audience was going to make bank out of the gate, why throw another $2-5K of billable work at it?

Lightlark is following that mode of thinking closely I think. Apparently there’s been work done it already, but there’s a only so much polish one can put on a turd. It’s being pushed into the stratosphere by the author’s personal connections - her sister owns a creative Tik Tok marketing agency called Newsland, so someone has been getting free publicity that a regular author could not afford.

Someone on Goodreads called this “The Fyre Festival of YA Books” which was funny and fucking hit the nail on the head!
 
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