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[Gravityqueen4life]

Thing with Shirou is that the idea behind him is more interesting than he himself is. He wants to be a hero like he thinks his dad was, only he pretty much blocks the fact he needs to compromise when it's lesser evil vs. evil, or costs his own happiness, as well as being utterly willing to sacrifice himself if it would mean saving one person.
But it mainly comes out as Shirou bashing his head against the wall over and over in Fate and UBW and coming on top due to plot reasons, while Heaven's Feel he's okay with his girlfriend eating people and potentially destroying the world because those are fantastic pair of tits.

what i would give too see a Mind of steel route.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

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Ako Kobayashi is a high school girl eagerly awaiting her prince charming to sweep her off her feet, but she has to overcome one small problem: she is so afraid of guys that she breaks out in hives whenever she comes near one. She even rejects the popular Kei Kitaooji who is the first guy to ever...

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Ako Kobayashi is a high school girl eagerly awaiting her prince charming to sweep her off her feet, but she has to overcome one small problem: she is so afraid of guys that she breaks out in hives whenever she comes near one. She even rejects the popular Kei Kitaooji who is the first guy to ever ask her out. However, after Kei learns of Ako's condition, he comes to school the next day dressed as a girl and asks her out again.

 

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Ako Kobayashi is a high school girl eagerly awaiting her prince charming to sweep her off her feet, but she has to overcome one small problem: she is so afraid of guys that she breaks out in hives whenever she comes near one. She even rejects the popular Kei Kitaooji who is the first guy to ever...

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Sounds very similar to the plot of "love exposure". Ms Scorpion

 

[Atatata]

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Ako Kobayashi is a high school girl eagerly awaiting her prince charming to sweep her off her feet, but she has to overcome one small problem: she is so afraid of guys that she breaks out in hives whenever she comes near one. She even rejects the popular Kei Kitaooji who is the first guy to ever...

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Same premise as Ookami Shounen wa Kyou mo Uso o Kasaneru, doubt it'd have as good as an ending though, the main character ends up with the female lead's non androphobic friend who he has much better chemistry with.

Personally, imo one of the better romcoms out there is The Dangers of my Heart. The name might be tacky, but its a genuinely cute and well paced story about a slow burn relationship.

Its getting an anime soon, hopefully it won't fuck it up.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

yooo the jolyne hentais are out on netflix

 

[JOHN SHRIMP DOE]

As much as I love fate,

My personal problem with the first route in the FSN VN is that I think the obligatory romance element due to the medium drags the storytelling down moreso than in the other routes, on top of the route already being burdened with having to explain the setting and lore. It's just kind of strange how much Shirou whines about how Saber shouldn't have to fight cause she's a girl even though it literally never comes up with any of the other love interests and he himself pretty much drops it halfway through that story. Gilgamesh's obsession with Saber also seems to be more a thing in this route than the others in order for him to be some sort of fucked up love rival and in the end it just never made sense to me that Saber would fall for Shirou.

Several things about FSN are brought down by the fact it both has to be a VN and has to have in shoehorned sex scenes. I haven't read the Tsukihime remakes yet but from what I've heard the sex scenes are now just implied. Probably a change for the better if I had to guess, although that does make me wonder how the second part is going to be handled.

The other thing about FSN is that you could could probably cut out 20 hours of text from the VNs with minimal issue, but it's been so long since I've read them maybe that's just the alcohol talking.

Anyways for all of you unwilling to spend 50+ hours on anime Hunger Games, here's a quick primer:







I love this redheaded retard like you wouldn't believe.

 

[Registration]

"Muh themes"
Nigga, Shirou is a bland Shonen protagonist with a worldview on the level of Parappa The Rapper and Kiritsugu is a jaded adult with a more complex worldview formed by a life of trauma and I like Shonen protagonists but to claim that Shirou is a better character or that Kiritsugu wasn't written in a way that makes his beliefs understandable even if wrong, you're just bad at media comprehension and also have shit taste. Also, Fate UBW is poo poo garbage, I'm gonna read the VN eventually because I've yet to watch an anime of a VN that doesn't take a big shit all over the source material but when you look at all of the characters involved and what is happening on a moment-to-moment basis, I have no idea how anybody can watch Zero and UBW and come out the other end thinking UBW is the better anime.

"Kiritsugu is a jaded adult with a more complex worldview formed by a life of trauma "
And this is how I know you are completely retard in your arguments. Kiritsugu was never jaded, the whole reason why he sticked to einzberns for 10 years was to try his chance with the super wishing machine. Even after he lost he kept going to Germany to try to get illya, jesus fuck his most important moment (his conversation with shirou) keeps hammering this idea.
The thing about kerry is: if he knew what was going to happen, he wouldn't do it, he wouldn't risk if he knew, his ideals were weak.
Now shirou is totally different, he will do it even if it all he will find is hell, Archer knows it too well since their origin point is the same, he will do it regardless of what happens to himself, even archer as bitter as he was, never blamed the people who killed him, he only blamed himself for the choice that he made.
And if you say you are going to play the VN and doesn't understand the mindset of shirou, you are going to visit the taiga dojo a lot, since the game punishes you for choosing safe choices, you have to be in his mindset to the story to keep progressing.

My personal problem with the first route in the FSN VN is that I think the obligatory romance element due to the medium drags the storytelling down moreso than in the other routes, on top of the route already being burdened with having to explain the setting and lore. It's just kind of strange how much Shirou whines about how Saber shouldn't have to fight cause she's a girl even though it literally never comes up with any of the other love interests and he himself pretty much drops it halfway through that story. Gilgamesh's obsession with Saber also seems to be more a thing in this route than the others in order for him to be some sort of fucked up love rival and in the end it just never made sense to me that Saber would fall for Shirou.

Because Saber and shirou are really similar. She despaired at the end of her life as she didn't understood the hearts of the men and was a perfect king. She never had moments to live like a normal girl in her life, so when shirou treats her like that she simply doesn't know how to react. And it makes totally sense for her to fall in love with him when her whole life was totally different of what he could offer to her. She was build to be a perfect king, even as she sleep she was being trained by Merlin, even before her pulling the sword, one of her few moments of happiness was tending her brother's horse. Or training with Ector.
And this isn't even the first time Nasu wrote a relationship like that, in Kara no Kyoukai Mikiya and Shiki had a similar type of romance.
And I think Fate is just a basic story, but the points of romance between them are done in an ok form.

 

[Thomas Talus]

That's hell this thread is walking into.

Also, Rin best girl all years.

 

[God of Nothing]

I love this redheaded retard like you wouldn't believe.

he is the bestest boy

 

[vern]

While on the subject on stay night has anyone tried out the manga adaptations of the routes?
I saw an add for the new UBW one recently and wondered if they were more faithful to the VN then the anime while not having to sink in almost a hundred hours to play them.

 

[God of Nothing]

While on the subject on stay night has anyone tried out the manga adaptations of the routes?
I saw an add for the new UBW one recently and wondered if they were more faithful to the VN then the anime while not having to sink in almost a hundred hours to play them.

the HF one has the sex scenes
i know because the boys on /a/ couldn't shut up about the rider one

 

[Namekian George Floyd]

"Kiritsugu is a jaded adult with a more complex worldview formed by a life of trauma "
And this is how I know you are completely retard in your arguments. Kiritsugu was never jaded, the whole reason why he sticked to einzberns for 10 years was to try his chance with the super wishing machine. Even after he lost he kept going to Germany to try to get illya, jesus fuck his most important moment (his conversation with shirou) keeps hammering this idea.
The thing about kerry is: if he knew what was going to happen, he wouldn't do it, he wouldn't risk if he knew, his ideals were weak.
Now shirou is totally different, he will do it even if it all he will find is hell, Archer knows it too well since their origin point is the same, he will do it regardless of what happens to himself, even archer as bitter as he was, never blamed the people who killed him, he only blamed himself for the choice that he made.
And if you say you are going to play the VN and doesn't understand the mindset of shirou, you are going to visit the taiga dojo a lot, since the game punishes you for choosing safe choices, you have to be in his mindset to the story to keep progressing.

Dude, do you really wanna have a nigga moment over anime? I'm not even sure if you're a native English speaker with how you word things so I don't wanna bully you but I saw Kiritsugu as jaded because he took on an extremely cold worldview due to bad experiences and even his relationship with his wife was fucked up since he'd fuck Maya on the side knowing he'd need to basically kill his wife to eventually get the holy grail (if I'm remembering that correctly), maybe you just view the word jaded differently than I do but he was definitely a tortured soul even if he had ideals that he didn't fall away from. I think that growing up comes with decisions you've made that you aren't happy with even if you think you're in the right which kind of embodies Kiritsugu's entire character, that is a lot more appealing to me than anime Shirou who seems a lot more simple and to the point, he was a basic high schooler with a mostly normal life and he sticks with his ideals no matter what anyone tells him. On it's own, that's a basic Shonen protagonist but when contrasted with Archer trying to blackpill him, it comes off as more profound and in the VN it probably really was by a lot more.

I don't really disagree with the rest of your analysis very much but if we're talking about anime vs anime then a lot of the depth about Shirou you're conveying just was not done very well in the UBW anime. I enjoyed the ideological conflict between Shirou and Archer in the anime, it's one of the very few things I found interesting and the reason why I'm still open to reading the VN, the idea was really cool but there wasn't very much meat on the bone when it came to the anime.

I feel like there is a role where he was actually good, but I couldn't tell you what it is. Even going through his filmography eludes me (maybe it was Staz Charlie Blood from Blood Lad).

I actually feel bad about saying he's so shit now that I know about the dad shit, I think the only role I liked him in was Masaomi Kida from Durarara. I guess I can't 100% blame him since he just tries out for shit, the directors who cast him as serious roles he doesn't fit deserve to be criticized more but you don't see them while you hear this fucking dude everywhere so it's easier to just take out your frustration on him. Dude really does not fit as protags tho, I remember being annoyed with a lot of Todd Habberkorn's casting too and then once I heard him in more comedic roles, I didn't think he was a bad voice actor anymore, I just thought he got miscast as more serious characters too much.

 

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Dude, do you really wanna have a nigga moment over anime? I'm not even sure if you're a native English speaker with how you word things so I don't wanna bully you but I saw Kiritsugu as jaded because he took on an extremely cold worldview due to bad experiences and even his relationship with his wife was fucked up since he'd fuck Maya on the side knowing he'd need to basically kill his wife to eventually get the holy grail (if I'm remembering that correctly), maybe you just view the word jaded differently than I do but he was definitely a tortured soul even if he had ideals that he didn't fall away from. I think that growing up comes with decisions you've made that you aren't happy with even if you think you're in the right which kind of embodies Kiritsugu's entire character, that is a lot more appealing to me than anime Shirou who seems a lot more simple and to the point, he was a basic high schooler with a mostly normal life and he sticks with his ideals no matter what anyone tells him. On it's own, that's a basic Shonen protagonist but when contrasted with Archer trying to blackpill him, it comes off as more profound and in the VN it probably really was by a lot more.

I don't really disagree with the rest of your analysis very much but if we're talking about anime vs anime then a lot of the depth about Shirou you're conveying just was not done very well in the UBW anime. I enjoyed the ideological conflict between Shirou and Archer in the anime, it's one of the very few things I found interesting and the reason why I'm still open to reading the VN, the idea was really cool but there wasn't very much meat on the bone when it came to the anime.


I actually feel bad about saying he's so shit now that I know about the dad shit, I think the only role I liked him in was Masaomi Kida from Durarara. I guess I can't 100% blame him since he just tries out for shit, the directors who cast him as serious roles he doesn't fit deserve to be criticized more but you don't see them while you hear this fucking dude everywhere so it's easier to just take out your frustration on him. Dude really does not fit as protags tho, I remember being annoyed with a lot of Todd Habberkorn's casting too and then once I heard him in more comedic roles, I didn't think he was a bad voice actor anymore, I just thought he got miscast as more serious characters too much.

I am not native english speaker (thank god).

"he took on an extremely cold worldview due to bad experiences"
And this is where you got him totally wrong, jesus fucking christ. He was never like that because of his past experiences, holy shit, pay attention to the whole backstory episode. he killed Noritaka when his whole life was alright, he did it because of his ideals, not because of trauma or shit like that, he punished the bad man even if it was his father. And another example of how bad Fate/zero anime is the omission in adaptation of Maiya's background with him rescuing her but they couldn't get her rape baby (who would become an important character in another series).
Or even that he thought about dropping everything else before the war to leave with Irisviel and Illya but had to put back into it because of Irisviel? All these things that were included in the other adaptations (zero anime is literally the worst of all adaptations), that paints Kiritsugu as a weak willed man that the anime gloss over it.

"I think that growing up comes with decisions you've made that you aren't happy with even if you think you're in the right which kind of embodies Kiritsugu's entire character"
and this is how kerry went about it: I will use this supposed super wishing machine to get world peace.
Do you understand how silly it is? Do you understand that other people wanted to reach the root and kerry wanted to use it as a magical way to rewrite the world like it would be so easy? Don't you get how fantastical it sounds and how everyone in the series never went got the same type of wish?
Then you have Shirou, who went a such traumatic event that even if he had the possibility of getting his life before back, he never even once thought about it. He is selfless after the great fire. He will do everything he can to save others, and this way of life you can see in the anime and even more in the VN. He is in the holy grail war to not let other people get their desires rather than to desire something for himself, even if it was the easier path.
He is literally a machine at this point, every thing he does is mechanically, he does so well in archery because it is a mechanical act, he never does because he enjoys it or likes it. It is just a path for him to become better as a magus. Even in the anime original ending, he left the clock tower ambient who would help him with his path as a magus to go solo helping people. In the last shot of the anime you have this scene where he is in the desert, but his skin and hair are still orange, showing how he will go to a similar path as Archer but it won't be the same, even if their end will be surely death.

The main difference between them is how strong his will towards their desire (the same) is, even if Shirou's ideal is not born out of him like with kerry, it is a borrowed idea, he will persevere to reach it by his own hands.
And yeah, the anime doesn't get the full picture, but that is alright, since the whole of shirou can just be fully understood by reading the VN, the anime doesn't get into his mindscape and we get to see how he see things. You don't get to know all characters in the series by watching an adaptation of a single route, you did not even watch the first anime, with the whole introduction to the setting + the pure version of his ideals to see how Archer vs Shirou is the personification of ideals x reality.
Or even that I bet you don't know that FGO exists, and an EMIYA version of Kiritsugu exists. And even in this setting, his character is still way weaker than both Shirou, Archer in any incarnations of them

Or even what truly jaded means for someone like Shirou.

While on the subject on stay night has anyone tried out the manga adaptations of the routes?
I saw an add for the new UBW one recently and wondered if they were more faithful to the VN then the anime while not having to sink in almost a hundred hours to play them.

I did read all of them (the first one from 2006) twice. All of them are better than the anime, since from the beginning, all manga adaptations of Type-moon have been better than their anime adaptations.

The first FSN manga isn't fully translated into english but it is one of my favorites since it is basically a fusion of the fate route, with the middle of UBW and bits of Heavens feel. So in terms of adaptation, it is basically a frankentein one but I still enjoys it a lot rather than the normal fate route. The artyle change a lot as it goes too, the characters start kinda generic, but eventually become way more stiffer and bulkier

The heaven's feel manga has a way better art and it is adapted by Task Onna who is a fan, it helps a lot, he went into adapting parts of the original VN rather than the realta nua version, so there are lots of sex scenes like the original.
the UBW one is adaptated by Daisuke Moriyama, which is also a pretty stabilished mangaka already and it is really in the beginning (1 volume out already). But he already changed some things already (at this point, I think it is fine, to see little differences between the original and these versions).

It will take literally years to see the stories completed by this means, so if you want the fully story, go read the VN, since it will be easier

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Halfway into the new season of Jojo, pretty kino so far. One advantage it has over part 5 is that it keeps changing locations and circumstances, making each fight a lot more unique. While you could pretty much scramble most of Part 5's around and it will be unnoticeable.

 

[Namekian George Floyd]

I can't respond to that dude again because his post is too long but imma just say it here, you don't understand what words mean and your read on Kiritsugu is retarded.
I'm glad you're across the border, Julio. Please stay there.

 

[Registration]

I can't respond to that dude again because his post is too long but imma just say it here, you don't understand what words mean and your read on Kiritsugu is retarded.
I'm glad you're across the border, Julio. Please stay there.

>t. buttblasted john can't understand japanese cartoon protagonist.

I bet you project yourself in kerry so much that seeing the dark edgy man being called a fool hurts your feelings.
I've seen this pattern so much with zerofans that it works like a clockwork. And this is with just one character that always was a bit one of note in the original work.
If we talk about the other characters of zero then, it becomes even more boring and lifeless than ever. And that was true even back then (06-09) when basically only zero, stay night and hollow existed.
This isn't even an anime problem, it is a storytelling problem, zero characters are just not enough to carry the story, at least it had some redemption with FGO zero accel event

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

This isn't even an anime problem, it is a storytelling problem, zero characters are just not enough to carry the story, at least it had some redemption with FGO zero accel event

Kind of my perception. Zero had a pretty great protagonist and disappointing supporting cast(waver and iskandar were alright). Fate proper had a pretty good supporting case and a fairly forgettable protagonist because adapting over a million words of story into a 24 episode anime means a lot of content inevitably gets cut, and carrot top ended up getting the short end of the stick. About the only real carryover from the VN he got was the vague implication that his grating self-sacrificing doormat personality was explained by childhood trauma from the Grail catastrophe and resulting survivor's guilt.

 

[vern]

>The first FSN manga isn't fully translated into english but it is one of my favorites since it is basically a fusion of the fate route, with the middle of UBW and bits of Heavens feel. So in terms of adaptation, it is basically a frankentein one but I still enjoys it a lot rather than the normal fate route. The artyle change a lot as it goes too, the characters start kinda generic, but eventually become way more stiffer and bulkier

Wait isn't that one of the complaints about Deen stay night how it mashes all 3 routes in one anime
Then again I watched a few episodes of Deen and didn't feel like it was as bad as some people say, in fact they where maybe one or two things I felt it did better then the UBW anime.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Kind of my perception. Zero had a pretty great protagonist and disappointing supporting cast(waver and iskandar were alright). Fate proper had a pretty good supporting case and a fairly forgettable protagonist because adapting over a million words of story into a 24 episode anime means a lot of content inevitably gets cut, and carrot top ended up getting the short end of the stick. About the only real carryover from the VN he got was the vague implication that his grating self-sacrificing doormat personality was explained by childhood trauma from the Grail catastrophe and resulting survivor's guilt.

Outside of certain characters that are great (like Kerry, Waver, Iskander, Kirei, and Gilgamesh). Most of Zero's cast is pretty decent or fun at best. There are other characters who really can't carry much weight and really don't have that much depth compared to Stay/Night's cast.

It is funny however Zero's worst character is Saber because Urobuchi literally went against her entire character in the VN and basically regressed her to an actual retard who would prioritize chivalry than fighting a giant monster that would destroy the city.

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

Outside of certain characters that are great (like Kerry, Waver, Iskander, Kirei, and Gilgamesh). Most of Zero's cast is pretty decent or fun at best.

I'll have to rewatch it to see if anything clicks for me. I remember Gilles' bromance with his serial killer master being some pretty great dark comedy. I remember a handful of interesting moments from the supporting characters. I remember Assassin not doing much of anything but standing around looking intimidating before getting absolutely mollywopped by Iskandar. Lancer was ok and Gilgamesh was more or less the same as he was in the sequel. Saber definitely bore the brunt of the edginess and the way she was systematically torn down felt excessive.