#DropKiwiFarms

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There's a midground between dooming and optimism. The realistic take is that what this does is, shitty enough, get these fucks to finally realize that the only way to truly take down the farms is to go after the base-level providers. Which they are going to do.

That's shitty. This situation is shitty. There's no getting around that without delusional levels of optimism.

Yeah so I guess I'm kinda late to the party, and I have better things to do with my time so the loss of this site even if it were to come about isn't much to me. You're right about their natural next course of action but from what KF has withstood in the past to me it seems fatalistic to assume they will succeed in that. And even then, people that have been totally deplatformed seem to always find workarounds. It's not that I'm optimistic, I just don't really care. I'm watching and laughing at both sides because if this is the power that they have over you, who are you to think you're doing some service to free speech or whatever by obsessively documenting their lives and once your site is gone and the fun's over, it's all doom and gloom. I guess I'm just trying to say you people sometimes make it look like you don't have much of a life outside of KF. And if that's true, you're not much better than Keffals and her legions of trannies.
 
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Basically some rando account, that was created back in 2020 and had one post, reactivated and started posting things in this and related threads. Then it made the post in the screenshot above and keffles tweeted it. The post was deleted pretty soon after.
This is the bit that's fucked Matt Prince over the most, I think. Jumping on a post that was only up for 20 minutes (tops) and using that as the rationale for blocking access to the farms (by not dropping Josh as a customer, mind, but by turning the DDoS-mitigation into a redirect to Matt's shitty blog post instead) is a particularly dangerous precedent to set. Especially given that Prince waxes poetic about setting dangerous precedents as it is.

Any claim to impartiality and "not wanting to police the Internet" on Cloudflare's part now has a textbook counterexample that people can point to. Which is a bit of a problem, given that Cloudflare's entire business model is impartiality.
 
Shit, why even back to them? If there's a better DDOS protection service that definitely won't drop the farms, like the one we've got now, why go back even if Cloudflare wants us to? Let them reap what they've sown. They traded their so-called values and the concept of free speech for the temporary approval of a mob of fetishistic freaks and wannabe child abusers. Not even much approval given one of Lucas's top points was "we're gonna outdo Cloudflare and be better than them!" Leave Cloudflare behind and let them deal with the fresh hell they've unleashed on themselves by bowing to the wishes of troon sociopaths.
I don't think there is a better DDoS protection service.

I think Cloudflare has the best scruples when it comes to this issue that is possible in a free market in this business. Like for example, Cloudflare has a policy where they don't charge customers for surge pricing for attacks. They have a somewhat higher flat fee and then just eat the costs of sucking up a DDoS attack. Which is expensive, data-wise.

In a free market, no one but Cloudflare is willing to do that. And in fact, Kiwifarms is on Cloudflare's free plan, so we get this all for free. (I believe?)

I think his discomfort with being the nexus point for censorship is sincere, even if he's a giant pussy who blubbers about the content he's protecting.

I legit think he's like an old school ACLU skokie-type, in spirit.

I know most people won't trust him (or anyone) like that, and that's fair. He is the CEO of a west coast tech company, afterall. But idk, I get that vibe from him.

Anyway, I guess we'll see one way or another how he rationalizes this when Tuesday (or sometime next week) rolls around.
When a service that's supposed to just provide DDOS protection tells you it wants to "ambitiously build a better internet", that's a huge red flag. You keep websites from being taken down by illegal attacks. That's it. Leave this "building up the internet" shit to actual sites.
I agree, it's a pretty spergy, utopian goal to have. And "utopian" usually becomes "tyrannical" pretty quickly.

But in real life, ddos protection is unfortunately a fact of life. No small, controversial sites can survive without it, so when a huge network that protects 17% of the internet does something, it's massively important to the internet existing at all.

Now what would really solve this problem permanently would be some kind of internet-wide treaty/protocol for punishing people for DDoS attacks. Maybe not the owners of the botnets, but for example, if someone hacks a bunch of routers on comcast's network, comcast is responsible for paying for that (or be null routed by other networks). It'd require negotiation and some kind of treaty, essentially, but it'd fix this shit permanently. It'd kill DDoSing as a tool for extortion permanently.

Hell, it'd enable people to run small sites on their home routers. And whether people used either home routers or small vps hosted servers (like $4/month), it'd profoundly democratize the internet.

Lol and we can't have that. Facebook, google, youtube, twitter et al would rather just pay their cloudflare/whatever fee and keep the rest of us as serfs on their protected networks.
 
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Matthew Prince is a massive faggot and a coward. He is a poor excuse for a man letting freaks of nature, horrors beyond the comprehension of men of years past, run his company. You cannot stop what this website represents, its natural to hate troons as they are uncanny mutated freaks that can only be created with technological terrors and modern medicine.

This site will move to tor (glad that Null fixed the link!) and we get further and further decentralized. This will only hasten that, once cloudflare becomes political it will slowly and surely lose its monopoly. Dont fret, my friends even if they succeed and the site goes down. Lucas will never be a real woman.
 
We need to establish some fallout shelters to organize in. /pol/ is obviously not reliable, and Metokur just got his nuts cut off.
poa.st seems to be it. I am not a fan of the anime posters there but its where most of the KFCC people ended up last week. They bully us a little but let us stay.

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Matthew Prince is a massive faggot and a coward. He is a poor excuse for a man letting freaks of nature, horrors beyond the comprehension of men of years past, run his company. You cannot stop what this website represents, its natural to hate troons as they are uncanny mutated freaks that can only be created with technological terrors and modern medicine.

This site will move to tor (glad that Null fixed the link!) and we get further and further decentralized. This will only hasten that, once cloudflare becomes political it will slowly and surely lose its monopoly. Dont fret, my friends even if they succeed and the site goes down. Lucas will never be a real woman.
Didn’t Null say that if the site couldn’t be accessed via the clearnet he wouldn’t even bother running it?
 
If Gen Z wants to know why their tuition is so much: it’s because Stanford and institutions like them fund a bunch of internet Karens. I wonder how much different the world would be if they hadn’t subsidized student loans and universities couldn’t charge insane amounts and employ people like Alex stamos. He literally made all of this up and it’s disgusting that people from media and educational institutions can have a job putting out blatant lies like this.


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Actually reading the threat that got kiwifarms.net shut down is almost cartoonish. isnt there some sort of part of the law that the threat has to be believable? or is that only applied to if the guy said he was going to do bloodmagic to kill someone, in that vein. i might be misinterpreting the word actionable, but there is no way anybody who is in power actually believes that is an actionable threat of violence. a stupid post that should have been deleted, definitely, but nobody actually believes that post has even an inifinitely small chance of actually being real. i know we're well past the point of trying to justify their mindset but i do not usually actually engage with conversations.
 
“or a mass shooter is going to be inspired there”
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It almost sounds like a threat if you think about it. Like that guy who came out of nowhere today might’ve been activated to do something like that or had the blame pinned on him if they hadn’t caved. Sure is strange how many coincidences seem to happen when it advances the agenda of keffals or his glow in the dark patrons.
 
Wait I thought this was about trans people? No political enemies.
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It's because Ben Collins has his own axe to grind that he cannot mention publicly but clearly causes him to seethe so we see hints at it in tweets like this.

He got doxed by a user here in the wake of Stefan Molyneux drama like 2 years ago and it's the only place he was unable to scrub the crumbs from.
 
This is the bit that's fucked Matt Prince over the most, I think. Jumping on a post that was only up for 20 minutes (tops) and using that as the rationale for blocking access to the farms (by not dropping Josh as a customer, mind, but by turning the DDoS-mitigation into a redirect to Matt's shitty blog post instead) is a particularly dangerous precedent to set. Especially given that Prince waxes poetic about setting dangerous precedents as it is.
 
Didn’t Null say that if the site couldn’t be accessed via the clearnet he wouldn’t even bother running it?
Its more than Null, this site or its users. It isnt even an idea. They are trying to defy reality and god. They can try all they can, but in every cell remains DNA and its within our DNA to despite troons. Its a fact of reality, one can bend the signals their body sends and ignore them, for a time. But deep down everyone knows, they can recognize that Keffals is not a real woman.

Beyond troons, people will always gossip about other people. They will gossip about celebs more so. If this site goes down more will take their place. There will always be steam groups/ chat groups/ various corners on message boards/ forums. Or people might just talk IRL. The site may go away, but the people that use the site will not.

For the journalists reading this: we exist, we are everywhere, and we wont go away.
 
Nice, I'm back and ready to rock after a few password fuck ups.

We need to establish some fallout shelters to organize in. /pol/ is obviously not reliable, and Metokur just got his nuts cut off.

kotakuinaction2.win is a sympathetic board, a former Gamergate hangout.
This really needs to happen, btw. We need a list of back up methods to organize when shit goes down, so at least we can get the word out about what's happening.

It's the grassroots that win wars when the deck is stacked against you. Someone smarter than me would need to set up the thread for it, but right now it would be a good idea to be setting up some fallout shelters.
 
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