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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Is it generally agreed that the school shooting the other day was a false flag to get Russians good and amped about kicking Nazi ass? You know, the Nazis led by a Jewish guy who grew up speaking Russian, i.e. the personification of the minority group they claim is being genocided every day or something?


Dude was a schizo. It wouldn't be anywhere near enough to get Russians "amped up", most are just scared.
Damn man are you gonna get mobilized?
Possible, but unclear. I considered leaving the country but due to various circumstances I didn't go through with it, might end up regretting it. I already decided to refuse if it comes to that.
Could've never imagined it would come to this and that I would have to make such a choice.
I assume russiaboos still consider this winning, while Putin resorts to the most unpopular policy in recent history, sending regular men to the front by forcibly taking them away from their families, often fathers of multiple children and sole providers, as well as young men who had entire life ahead of them?
There's so much going on that it would be impossible to describe, I have no energy nor desire. I'm confident you can find videos giving you glimpse on this whole shitshow. I knew things were bad, I knew they might get worse, but not even in my worst nightmares did this occur.

My guts were twisted in the knot the first few days, been so nervous I couldn't eat or sit still. It's not even the idea of having to risk my life, but being forced into such a position against my choice, sent to die like cattle by the butchers, on behalf of the government who's exempt from having to do so, for the cause I never believed in. Afraid of being stripped of my humanity.
I'm not a serf, so fuck them all.
Every day feels like a game of Russian roulette.
It would. And yet them going to bat for Ukraine is causing exactly that. It's causing that literally everywhere that sided with Ukraine. Because it turns out what the West has been doing when their enemy controls their energy and food and other goods is a terrible idea.

The problem for our Goverments is a simple one. They are too far in. People don't care, it's hurting them and it is coming back to bite them. But backing out would be an unavoidable and titanic admission of failure…which would hurt the Elites even more.

Our suffering is a sacrifice they are okay with.

It is.
Backing off now would be pointless, after everything Russia did while being openly hostile to the West, going back to relying on them for energy instead of finding alternatives is fucking stupid. Just put the collar back on and hand them the leash, such a great idea.
Everyone is suffering, you're not special. Time to fucking pay.
 
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Italy's next PM has affirmed support for Ukraine:
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The media tried to paint the Italian right as pro-Russia. It's true a few had an uncomfortable bromance with Putin, but they turned on him after this insane invasion.
I mean the German Women in charge of the EU was so ok with the Right winning she went on telly and threatened them publicly with suffering if they did not do what they told to the point a spokesperson had to come out and insist saying 'if things don't go to our liking we have tools to deal with it' was not actually a threat.

If I was in charge of Italy. I'd give public support for Ukraine too.
 
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I mean the German Women in charge of the EU was so ok with the Right winning she went on telly and threatened them publicly with suffering if they did not do what they told to the point a spokesperson had to come out and insist saying 'if things don't go to our liking we have tools to deal with it' was not actually a threat.

If I was in charge of Italy. I'd give public support for Ukraine too.
Good thing that at least your women still have balls.
 
I'm not a serf, so fuck them all.
If you would like to remain free, don't come to the Europe. It is not.
Backing off now would be pointless, after everything Russia did while being openly hostile to the West,
To be fair, the West did start it all.
going back to relying on them for energy instead of finding alternatives is fucking stupid.
I never said anything about that. I honestly think all countries should be self sufficient myself and if they can't be they deserve to fall. However that still doesn't mean that the collective West pissing off all the countries they get their resources from while having no backup plan was stupid. beyond belief and the only reason our leaders continue is admitting defeat is something they are too arogent to do. It has nothing caring about their country or Ukraine.

I'm all for the incoming shitshow this will cause.
 
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Ukraine about to more than double the number of HIMARS it has. I wonder if this is a result of the Russkie mobilization, because up until now they've been kinda drip feeding shit to Ukraine, and doubling the number of launchers in one go is a big change IMO.


Agreed, two big stories hit during the Farms downtime.
Three, three big stories hit the farms during the downtime. You missed perhaps the most important story of all, Armchair Wanker returned just as the counter offensive started and gave an even dumber take than usual, promptly got utterly BTFO and then ran off Twitter again (allegedly for good this time). Of course he's still giving hilariously bad takes somewhere online because there's video footage of him, allegedly from just a couple of days ago, where he's claiming that there's no real proof HIMARS is pushing the Russian's shit in.
 
Who is this?
Armchair Warlord, former US artilleryman turned pro-Russian war commentator infamous for
a)Having some of the absolute worst takes imaginable on what's happening in the war (Moskva is fine, Ukrainian counter offensive in Kharkiv is a cunning Russian plot to lure them into a trap etc)
b)Regularly getting BTFO immediately after making said by proof of what's actually happening on the ground
c)Writing an unimaginably terrible, border line pedo in places, novel about a bunch of teenage girls fighting a war.
 
Here's an interesting piece of reporting from the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...ope/russian-soldiers-phone-calls-ukraine.html Intercepted calls from back in March show Russian soldiers bemoaning their shoddy equipment, poor leadership, and misguided objectives ("Mom, we haven’t seen a single fascist here!"), and recounting dumping huge piles of murdered civilians in the woods. Of course, I'm sure conditions are even worse for the Russian army now.
 
Only explanation I've seen that makes the "Russia did it" narrative plausible is that maybe Russia figured by doing this it would make Germany panic and want to end all sanctions to help get repairs underway. Which while retarded, doesn't sound uncharacteristic of Russia to think they're too valuable to cut loose since that had been the case for years.

It'd be a case of Russia not being able to read the room and thinking they were engaging in a super genius maneuver to change people's minds about Ukraine.
 
Ukraine about to more than double the number of HIMARS it has. I wonder if this is a result of the Russkie mobilization, because up until now they've been kinda drip feeding shit to Ukraine, and doubling the number of launchers in one go is a big change IMO.
I guarantee you it is. If Russia wants to escalate shit even further, well... two (and then some when you add in the rest of the West) can play that game. Its not a winning move on their part, but since they can't withdraw in any sort of good faith or face after this counter-offensive by Ukraine, doubling-down is all Putin can do. After all, when you're going through hell, your best choice is to just keep going.
I mean it also could have just been shoddy Russian engineering.
Well, we know those Russian pipes have been down for maintenance on their end very, very frequently. Clearly there's something wrong with the pipeline.
 
There are several seasons why Russian higher ups might benefit from attacking energy infrastructure.

1: Heads off anyone who might attempt to wrestle control away from Putin and other maximalists by removing a bargaining chip they might have to deescalate once in power akin to Cortez supposedly burning his ships/means of escape. At a minimum the costs of repairs would have to be handled by someone and they might not want to take responsibility if it lends credence to Russia being responsible, that alone would throw a wrench in any negotiations.

2: Causes discord in the global energy market, rising prices and benefiting Russian exports. Particularly in conjunction with the near simultaneous (very convenient) announcement that they might cut supply flowing through Ukrainian pipelines.

3: Gives western powers something more to worry about by exposing the obvious vulnerability of energy infrastructure at a time when the stability of which is of paramount importance.

4: Potentially insulates the amount that state owned Russian oil firms would owe to in the event of some kind of post war settlement since they cant be blamed for not supplying oil through damaged pipes that no on can definitively pin the blame on as opposed to simply reneging on existing contracts.

5: As has seen all over the place some people are easily convinced this was done by the US, potentially straining relations between Ukraine's main benefactor and the rest of them.

Ukraine about to more than double the number of HIMARS it has. I wonder if this is a result of the Russkie mobilization, because up until now they've been kinda drip feeding shit to Ukraine, and doubling the number of launchers in one go is a big change IMO.

Those launch platforms are being produced for Ukraine, not given from existing stock. It will take a year at least before deliveries of those specific units start being made. People are being misled by a year old photo that usually accompanies that announcement which depicts 18 HIMARS launchers being sent to Romania via ship, coincidently the same number specified in this aid bundle.

Receiving new launchers likely wouldn't make any big difference in the short term as far as the tempo of strikes the Ukrainians could/would perform considering the current state of the war, the limiting factor is ammo and how fast they can load and unload racks which is likely already faster than the rate of fire we're seeing, they could have 10 times the number of launchers and they still wouldn't have enough that they could be used as artillery on targets of opportunity rather than on fixed sites.

New launchers would be used for offensives into more fortified Russian held ground in the future, also to provide some depth in the event Russian developed some kind of counter to HIMARS like what a lot of people were speculating those Iranian drones might have been.
 
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The list of suspects who could arguably have a motive to blow up the pipeline is long. Tucker Carlson and Anne Applebaum's husband say it was Joe Biden's op, but I don't buy it: it would be high-risk and low-reward, damaging (but far from irreparably) a pipeline not even in use and angering important allies if caught, and also the Biden admin probably really does care somewhat about the environment. The eastern European countries might like to cut dependence between Germany and Russia, but they're more likely to be caught, risking fracturing the current alliance. @76LD910 has listed good reasons Russia, and Putin in particular, might do it.

That said, I still think it could be complete accident. Sure, Sweden heard a bang, but that could be anything. Knowing Russia, I could believe they're not on top of maintenance, especially with recent distractions and part shortages. Also, the pipeline has been down for weeks, and this will change pressures and tensions throughout the system, so a creaky part might be pushed over the line into breakage.

I'm not an expert though.
 
The problem for our Goverments is a simple one. They are too far in. People don't care, it's hurting them and it is coming back to bite them. But backing out would be an unavoidable and titanic admission of failure…which would hurt the Elites even more.

Our suffering is a sacrifice they are okay with.
Are you sure that you aren't talking about Russia..?

Who is this?

Beware ye who enter into the realm of the Armchair Copelord.

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Only explanation I've seen that makes the "Russia did it" narrative plausible is that maybe Russia figured by doing this it would make Germany panic and want to end all sanctions to help get repairs underway. Which while retarded, doesn't sound uncharacteristic of Russia to think they're too valuable to cut loose since that had been the case for years.

It'd be a case of Russia not being able to read the room and thinking they were engaging in a super genius maneuver to change people's minds about Ukraine.

I don't think that Putin has been acting rationally recently. I wonder what the American motive is supposed to be here. The pro-Russians who say that America is behind this, generally also think that millions of Europeans are going to freeze to death this winter. How does Europe freezing to death benefit the US? The theory that the US is behind this makes more sense if you believe that Europe is going to be fine without Russian gas.
There are several seasons why Russian higher ups might benefit from attacking energy infrastructure.

1: Heads off anyone who might attempt to wrestle control away from Putin and other maximalists by removing a bargaining chip they might have to deescalate once in power akin to Cortez supposedly burning his ships/means of escape. At a minimum the costs of repairs would have to be handled by someone and they might not want to take responsibility if it lends credence to Russia being responsible, that alone would throw a wrench in any negotiations.

2: Causes discord in the global energy market, rising prices and benefiting Russian exports. Particularly in conjunction with the near simultaneous (very convenient) announcement that they might cut supply flowing through Ukrainian pipelines.

3: Gives western powers something more to worry about by exposing the obvious vulnerability of energy infrastructure at a time when the stability of which is of paramount importance.

4: Potentially insulates the amount that state owned Russian oil firms would owe to in the event of some kind of post war settlement since they cant be blamed for not supplying oil through damaged pipes that no on can definitively pin the blame on as opposed to simply reneging on existing contracts.

5: As has seen all over the place some people are easily convinced this was done by the US, potentially straining relations between Ukraine's main benefactor and the rest of them.



Those launch platforms are being produced for Ukraine, not given from existing stock. It will take a year at least before deliveries of those specific units start being made. People are being misled by a year old photo that usually accompanies that announcement which depicts 18 HIMARS launchers being sent to Romania via ship, coincidently the same number specified in this aid bundle.

Receiving new launchers likely wouldn't make any big difference in the short term as far as the tempo of strikes the Ukrainians could/would perform considering the current state of the war, the limiting factor is ammo and how fast they can load and unload racks which is likely already faster than the rate of fire we're seeing, they could have 10 times the number of launchers and they still wouldn't have enough that they could be used as artillery on targets of opportunity rather than on fixed sites.

New launchers would be used for offensives into more fortified Russian held ground in the future, also to provide some depth in the event Russian developed some kind of counter to HIMARS like what a lot of people were speculating those Iranian drones might have been.

The opening of Nord Stream is only a bargaining chip if Germany is willing to give Russia something good in return. There have been an awful lot of 'technical problems' on the Russian side of Nord Stream since the war started and the German Chancellor may have come to the conclusion that these 'problems' could resume at an inopportune time even if he gave in to current Russian demands. The Russian and German governments have had talks since the war started, so both sides probably have an idea of what the other is willing to give. If the current Chancellor is the problem, then it could absolutely benefit Putin to blow up Nord Stream to expose him as a weak leader and have him replaced.

By mobilizing, Putin is taking at least 300K men out of the economy and making the Russian state pay for their upkeep. I think that at this point, he is okay with hurting his own economy in the long term for short or mid term political objectives. Blowing the pipes also saves Russia from new fines due to their refusal to deliver the gas.
 
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Is it generally agreed that the school shooting the other day was a false flag to get Russians good and amped about kicking Nazi ass? You know, the Nazis led by a Jewish guy who grew up speaking Russian, i.e. the personification of the minority group they claim is being genocided every day or something?
Russians don't have that association between Nazism and anti-Jewry. It's an anti-Russian, maybe more generally anti-Slavic, hate movement to them. Because while Hitler had the SS rounding up Jews in the low countries and occupied France to send off to death camps, on the Eastern Front he wanted both Jews and Russians dead and just waged an extermination war against all foes instead of differentiating between the two groups all that much.

They will never understand, or at best, never take seriously, western attempts to gotcha them that Zelenskyy is Jewish or that there are white nationalist groups in the Donbass on either side. Because when Putin cries "Nazism!" he's crying that Mother Russia isn't being respected.
 
I don't think that Putin has been acting rationally recently. I wonder what the American motive is supposed to be here. The pro-Russians who say that America is behind this, generally also think that millions of Europeans are going to freeze to death this winter. How does Europe freezing to death benefit the US? The theory that the US is behind this makes more sense if you believe that Europe is going to be fine without Russian gas.
the idea is that blowing the pipeline is an insurance move for america. it takes away the option for germany to say "fuck burgerland, putin is my new best friend now!" in exchange for cheap gas.
 
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