War Invasion of Ukraine News Megathread - Thread is only for articles and discussion of articles, general discussion thread is still in Happenings.

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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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If I hate on the Pootin there, one of them neg reps everything I post anywhere for a week. Honestly a pro Putinist is less annoying than some there who pretend to be disinterested neutrals, but are relentless bad faith posters.
Other thread is superior just for vatnik sticker and general spergouts
 
Hopefully the draftees kill their officers and desert at the first opportunity, it's the moral thing to do and will save their lives.
They probably just die by rockets. Most army revolts was made by revolting officers or NCO-like shit (trust me bro).

In some places yes, a mobilik will take his gun, kill his commander and surrender to AFU, but in most cases they will die in silence. Just like milions of young, proud boys in all frontlines of Great War, or patriotic guys from CSA and USA in Civil War, or poor germonkey due to nazi regime in second word war.

This aspect of war - cannon fodder will do nothing and die - will never be changed.
 
Can you will be kindly enough to point a single negative effect on social-liberalism? I mean: something that in real way make life worse?

Well, You know, I'm living in the decadent EU and... no negative impact of social-liberalism spotted. It is nice to live in a place when everyone can take copepill of choice. You know, one can be a married gay fapping to black actress in Netflix, another one can be a traditional muslim and in 99,9% of time the will not be abused by state. State will in most cases not give a fuck about them until they will act against state in any way. Better option than Russia, when you can be only a degenerated drughead or a fake muslim like Kadyrov.
I'm not big into copepills, I like nation states with social norms like Poland and Hungary, and I am OK with state intervention if things get out of hand. I'm not big into tolerating deviancy either. I want it marginalized and ostracized, medicalized when fit. I want people to stop fetishizing weakness and illness, and instead embrace vitality and strength, and courageously divide abnormal behaviors from the normal.
Russia is not trad, Russia is also decaying. China too. This is a planetary issue, and the richer and more technologically savvy the society, the more prone to liberalism and deviancy.
And yes, I am anti-lolbert, for sure.
Don't fap to degenerate crap, btw. Have some cozy heterosexual sex. It's not that hard.
 
Also, you have to think through what the consequences of a complete Western victory would be - an enshrining of social liberalism as the only acceptable system of politics.
This would be a disaster for East Europe, where I happen to live.
If you're a normal human, you're engaged in a war on two fronts, one against the sheer anti-human degeneracy pushed by the West, and the other against the imperial savagery and lack of respect for human life from the East.
Any side that would score a decisive will will drag humanity down to the gutter.
The West is going to win, no question.

I'm sure I speak for many when I say that I am shocked by the sheer lack of technology the Russians have. And it's not just like fancy guided missiles and shit, it's the fact that they're bringing home toilets as spoils of war.

I know it's hard to pick apart ideology and technology sometimes, but there's an ideology behind saying that every house needs to have a working flush toilet that goes to the wastewater plant or an approved septic field. It's an ideology that we will have a decent standard of living and people literally downstream shouldn't be expected to drink our shit. It's an ideology that the people in charge of shit like permitting and building inspection should show up to work sober and not be on the take.

The US is far from perfect, but there is no question to me that we're objectively better than Russia by every metric.
 
So this news megathread is the largely pro-Ukraine place, while the other megathread is largely the containment for the pro-Russia side.
Sad. So much polarization that has no apparent solution in sight, even in places like KF. Sad planet, kinda lame species too.
I'd say more that we're the containment thread. The megathread runs the gamut of views, including a lot of fairly neutral updates, but it leans pro-Russia and if you post something pro-Ukraine expect to get dogpiled. Although the two threads occasionally shell each other across the line of contact, the arrangement mostly keeps the peace. It's similar to how there are separate pro- and anti-Trump threads.

As for actual news:

Russia admits it has "withdrawn" (got routed) from Lyman:
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Iran's drones aren't accomplishing anything, says Pentagon.
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Russian troop losses are nearing 60,000:


5000 Russian troops in Lyman are getting surrounded by Ukrainian forces:


Nuclear-capable Russian bombers massing near Finland:


Looks like the Gopniks are ready to cross the nuclear Rubicon due to their losses. Time will tell if they really are that stupid.

Again, two nukes are more than enough to destroy them. Most of Russian civilization is nestled near St. Petersburg and Moscow. Hit both of them with large-enough nukes, and you can kiss most of Russian civilization goodbye. The rest would just be bumpkin-land with little central authority to speak of.

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I'm not big into copepills, I like nation states with social norms like Poland and Hungary, and I am OK with state intervention if things get out of hand. I'm not big into tolerating deviancy either. I want it marginalized and ostracized, medicalized when fit. I want people to stop fetishizing weakness and illness, and instead embrace vitality and strength, and courageously divide abnormal behaviors from the normal.
Well, then you'll be fighting that battle forever. People have the free will to choose to be virtuous or to be degenerate, and you can't force them to be virtuous against their will. I mean, what you're asking for is no different from SJW feminists from 2015 onwards wanting to ban anything that titillates men in the media because they think it's sexist.

Russia is not trad, Russia is also decaying. China too. This is a planetary issue, and the richer and more technologically savvy the society, the more prone to liberalism and deviancy.
Not really. That stereotype of people out in the boonies being less degenerate is a complete lie. Many third-world states are very low-tech and yet they still have plenty of degeneracy to go around. The Taliban are goat-fuckers, girls in the Middle East get stoned to death for getting raped, people out in the boonies mate with their cousins, there's more than enough degeneracy in primitive societies to make porn addicts and bisexuals in the West look pristine by comparison.

Russia will exist forever (well at least for our lifetimes, most likely, and if it collapses it would still be catastrophic), and it cannot be ignored, as it has nukes and lots of resources. Also, you have to think through what the consequences of a complete Western victory would be - an enshrining of social liberalism as the only acceptable system of politics.
This would be a disaster for East Europe, where I happen to live.
If you're a normal human, you're engaged in a war on two fronts, one against the sheer anti-human degeneracy pushed by the West, and the other against the imperial savagery and lack of respect for human life from the East.
Any side that would score a decisive will drag humanity down to the gutter.
Russia is specifically degenerate-their culture is full of booze hounds, domestic abuse, and women getting abortions, and their army culture revolves around prison rape culture. (ie. Dedovshchina) That's far more degenerate than say, two gay guys kissing or some twat fapping to hentai. At least those guys choose to be degenerate. In Russia, there's no choice. You can be drafted tomorrow and be forced into an army where the officers rape and haze their soldiers, and expect them to do the same to future new recruits.

The degeneracy of the west is a mild degeneracy, tempered by a growing feminism that now sees explicit displays of sex as sexist, as well as the need for consent in most cases. The degeneracy of Russia is a harsh degeneracy, where you're forced to be a twink because a draft notice landed in the mail and your new superiors decided to make you their bottom-bitch, meanwhile, your neighbors are getting drunk off their asses on cheap vodka, husbands beat their wives, and the wives and single women have easy access to infanticide-on-demand and practice that right far more often than their western counterparts.
 
I like nation states with social norms like Poland and Hungary
Both of them going into shit in economy terms and living standard, but OK, anybody can choose any copepill. You copepill is all that trad thing (with a
nostalgic romanticism flavor) and looking for something that never existed before.
I want people to stop fetishizing weakness and illness, and instead embrace vitality and strength, and courageously divide abnormal behaviors from the normal.
Are you sure that you will like to live in a country where it is very likely that in some moment in time you and you copepill will be banned as "degenerate shit"?

All of "trad countries" in our timeline wasn't about trad life or something. They was about taking power by ruling class and making rest of their people subjects. No matter how much you will be a catholic in a country with a state Catholic religion, you will meet hard arm of state in case if you will more admire catholic values than goodwill of rulers. Any exceptions in real world such like no examples of working marxist economics.

I want it marginalized and ostracized, medicalized when fit.
For what purpose? You know, when you are in a country with gay marriage you aren't forced to take a marriage with other boy. You can still be an amish.

You see, I'm in country that really didn't like racism, and, let's be honest, I'm a fucking huge racist when we talk about Russians and some other nations like Serbs, Bulgars and some other (my racism is mixed with cultural chauvinism, so not neccesary I will be disgusted when a girl will have a russian grandpa, but it is more than sure I will wrote a essay about how worthless, devoid of any contribution to world culture and simply primitive is all of russian culture and how most of "great russian artists" wasn't even Russians) and and I am living a perfectly pleasant and happy life.

I am OK with state intervention if things get out of hand
Welcome in wide range of socialism ideology and mainstream economy.
Don't fap to degenerate crap, btw. Have some cozy heterosexual sex. It's not that hard.
Well, I prefer to fuck a woman and don't use any porn (I simply cannot fap to porn - any kind) but the very nice attribute of sociaj-liberalism is that you can fap to nearly anything you wan't (maybye not to russian CP, but no one from state will give a fuck about GILF's).
 
I'd say more that we're the containment thread. The megathread runs the gamut of views, including a lot of fairly neutral updates, but it leans pro-Russia and if you post something pro-Ukraine expect to get dogpiled. Although the two threads occasionally shell each other across the line of contact, the arrangement mostly keeps the peace. It's similar to how there are separate pro- and anti-Trump threads.

As for actual news:

Russia admits it has "withdrawn" (got routed) from Lyman:
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Iran's drones aren't accomplishing anything, says Pentagon.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you telling me that Iran's been lying about their capabilities again?
 
Both of them going into shit in economy terms and living standard, but OK, anybody can choose any copepill. You copepill is all that trad thing (with a
nostalgic romanticism flavor) and looking for something that never existed before.

Are you sure that you will like to live in a country where it is very likely that in some moment in time you and you copepill will be banned as "degenerate shit"?

All of "trad countries" in our timeline wasn't about trad life or something. They was about taking power by ruling class and making rest of their people subjects. No matter how much you will be a catholic in a country with a state Catholic religion, you will meet hard arm of state in case if you will more admire catholic values than goodwill of rulers. Any exceptions in real world such like no examples of working marxist economics.


For what purpose? You know, when you are in a country with gay marriage you aren't forced to take a marriage with other boy. You can still be an amish.

You see, I'm in country that really didn't like racism, and, let's be honest, I'm a fucking huge racist when we talk about Russians and some other nations like Serbs, Bulgars and some other (my racism is mixed with cultural chauvinism, so not neccesary I will be disgusted when a girl will have a russian grandpa, but it is more than sure I will wrote a essay about how worthless, devoid of any contribution to world culture and simply primitive is all of russian culture and how most of "great russian artists" wasn't even Russians) and and I am living a perfectly pleasant and happy life.


Welcome in wide range of socialism ideology and mainstream economy.

Well, I prefer to fuck a woman and don't use any porn (I simply cannot fap to porn - any kind) but the very nice attribute of sociaj-liberalism is that you can fap to nearly anything you wan't (maybye not to russian CP, but no one from state will give a fuck about GILF's).
I'm not trad, you nerd.
I'm pro science, pro technology, I'm not even religious.
I am reactionary however, and want to maintain power structures and hierarchies that advantage ME and the groups I belong to.
 
I'm not trad, you nerd.
I'm pro science, pro technology, I'm not even religious.
I am reactionary however, and want to maintain power structures and hierarchies that advantage ME and the groups I belong to.
Then again, you'll be fighting that battle forever. Your group is less populous and less virile than the ones coming in to replace you, and the power structures and hierarchies that you wish to protect have their justifications from Religion and Tradition. Which are both dying in the West, outside of a few exceptions. The power structures and hierarchies of the old West literally takes its justification from God Himself. Whether it's a monarch who rules with the grace of God, or a republic where they recognize the rights God gave to Man.

No religion and tradition = no power structures and hierarchies.

A reactionary who follows no religion or tradition is like a carriage without wheels.
 
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you telling me that Iran's been lying about their capabilities again?
Iranian drone capabilities are probably fairly basic compared to countries who have more ready access to Western technology, but they will still do the job - especially those suicide drones, which have been used against Coalition forces in Iraq, and have done some serious damage to Saudi Arabian infrastructure at times.

More likely, Russia is using them badly due to poor ISTAR capabilities and command and control. Having a flying bomb guided by GPS is not going to be very useful if you are poor at identifying worthwhile stationary targets, that you are not able to acquire and deliver an effect to in good time and which you struggle to reach because the area is bristling with MANPADs and probably covered by Western AWACS.

It seems to be the story of the Russian armed forces, you can have all the shiny toys you like - without the people to operate them effectively their impact on the battlefield will be negligible. Hence, they wasted huge stocks of cruise missiles on shopping centres and civilians queueing for a fucking train. Given these things are just cheap, slow, potentially more selective cruise missiles why would we think they would do any better than a Kalibre - which is more destructive, more capable, harder to shoot down and was still used in a way which can only be described as ineffectual.
 
I feel bad for almost all Russians, even the retarded ones who think this is Russia's national destiny or whatever nonsense they spew - its not their fault they were born into a post-Soviet hell hole ran by a manlet who LARPs as a James Bond villain, but actually has a nuclear arsenal that could end human life as we know it. None of these people really brought this on themselves, or at least most of them didn't, they were conditioned to be like this and are themselves being exploited. Unfortunately, in spite of that, them being killed, maimed, broken psychologically and imprisoned is actually the best outcome for people who are sane. Hell of a situation they have been put in.

It's a surprise to no one, given the shortages of basic equipment and supplies that the Russian Army in Ukraine were already facing, the idea there would be enough to train - never mind equip - these conscripts during this call up is beyond optimistic. It's insane.
The Russian mobilisation system was effectively half done away with following the collapse of the Soviet Union, but they moved to a half volunteer and half conscript force - and we are seeing the results are a worst of both worlds. Those barracks, beds, mattresses - or lack their of - probably haven't been maintained for 30 years if not longer and they are being reactivated and used as with less than a weeks preparation. Given the state of soviet workmanship, they were probably shit when they were built never mind now.

These conscripts will, for the most part, but almost useless. If we look back at WW2, the survival rate on any given day for a soldier increased over time, this makes immediate sense. Over time you learn from others, you gain personal battlefield experience and learn what works and what does. Certain immediate action drills, such as hitting the deck when being shot at, shelled or bomb, could and would save lives from sharpnel and other nasties flying about the battlefield. Western soldiers did get substantial training - usually - because asides from North Africa, the Far East and the Pacific, most were in the UK training for the invasion of Northern France. However, even then they were green upon arrival and had to learn things quickly - but at least they all knew how to do battlefield first aid, fieldcraft and how to keep clean outside, and they were fit and would have a squad or section which they had moulded into from a leadership and training perspective. The contrast is unfit, unmotivated, badly led, untrained men who are going to be put amongst depraved lunatics who are stressed and probably aware they are not just losing but realising their only way out is imprisonment, in a bodybag or minus a limb. It wont be pretty, and it wont be effective.

What's worse is that with the annexation of the four partially occupied Ukrainian oblasts, the local Ukrainian men will now also be conscripted. Presumably, that means both the 18-year-olds and '1 %' of the older men. There are already claims that regular Russian units, but especially Chechens, abused conscripts from the Donbas. Here's a letter from mothers and wives of Donbas conscripts who claim that Chechens raped their men.

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The thought of Ukrainians being forced to fight against their countrymen, presumably with Chechen guns pointed at their backs, makes me want to FSB-post. It's really a shame that Putin will probably not be Mussolini'd, even if he loses power.

And unsurprisingly, at 7:35 Putin says that Russia is ready to negotiate, but that the annexed territories will not be discussed. He also says Ukraine should cease its military actions. Unless Putin is in a total bubble, he must know Ukraine will never accept these conditions, and so this is an empty offer.

Yep, it's completely empty, but he's doing it for the niggercattle and useful idiots like Gonzalo Lira, Armchair Warlord and Pepe Escobar. This fake magnanimity and humanitarianism works really well on them. Gonzalo still whines about how Ukrainian men are throwing their lives away for nothing when they could end the war by giving the invader everything he wants.
 
What's worse is that with the annexation of the four partially occupied Ukrainian oblasts, the local Ukrainian men will now also be conscripted. Presumably, that means both the 18-year-olds and '1 %' of the older men. There are already claims that regular Russian units, but especially Chechens, abused conscripts from the Donbas. Here's a letter from mothers and wives of Donbas conscripts who claim that Chechens raped their men.


The thought of Ukrainians being forced to fight against their countrymen, presumably with Chechen guns pointed at their backs, makes me want to FSB-post. It's really a shame that Putin will probably not be Mussolini'd, even if he loses power.



Yep, it's completely empty, but he's doing it for the niggercattle and useful idiots like Gonzalo Lira, Armchair Warlord and Pepe Escobar. This fake magnanimity and humanitarianism works really well on them. Gonzalo still whines about how Ukrainian men are throwing their lives away for nothing when they could end the war by giving the invader everything he wants.
Any men still in those areas were conscripted by Russia and killed off as cannon fodder months ago. It's a land of widows and geriatrics.
 
Then again, you'll be fighting that battle forever. Your group is less populous and less virile than the ones coming in to replace you, and the power structures and hierarchies that you wish to protect have their justifications from Religion and Tradition. Which are both dying in the West, outside of a few exceptions. The power structures and hierarchies of the old West literally takes its justification from God Himself. Whether it's a monarch who rules with the grace of God, or a republic where they recognize the rights God gave to Man.

No religion and tradition = no power structures and hierarchies.
Untrue.
Power structures and hierarchies came from fulfilling our destiny as inventors, explorers and truth-seekers.
Science is ours, with minor Arab and Asian contributions.
Conquest was ours because of our risk taking and technological supremacy.
There is no tradition here, just struggle for resources and survival. Since our ethnic groups have become outnumbered and weak, it's but a logical conclusion that we must renounce the narcissism of the small differences so we can muster the numbers required for a civilization yet again.
There are no rights given to you by any god, there are only those that have power and give you some crumbles so you don't revolt and do mass collective politics.
The hierarchies in a monarchy are degenerate and abnormal, based on inbred blood, and should be extinguished. I want meritocratic hierarchies where everyone with the genetic luck and will to struggle can make it. I am not interested in preserving anything just because it's old and "trad", only if it serves a purpose.
For example, in Poland Catholicism serves as a vehicle for struggle against LGBTQ excesses, so it should be tolerated as an ally. The statues of former rulers serve as an indication of ethnic continuity and a reminder of past sacrifices to maintain territorial integrity, so they can stay.
Some traditions are a good reminder that there are Us and Them, and we're NOT all the same, universalism is a lie, and groups of people battle over resources and territory, just like Russia and Ukraine, and when that happens, you really, really, REALLY don't want to lose and become an extinct ethnic group, like ancient Egyptians.
 
I'm not trad, you nerd.
I'm pro science, pro technology, I'm not even religious.
I am reactionary however
Strange hill to die, but whatever. As I say, you can take any copepill, and this isn't the strangest I was able to see in my life (more like "communist muslin" than "I belive in big pharma theory").

and want to maintain power structures and hierarchies that advantage ME and the groups I belong to.
If you haven't some kind of power in your country (e.g. you aren't a judge, a upgraded tier priest, member of inner circle of ruling party, have a really big assets in financial market - more like controling, not just taking a share in profit) you aren't in group taking any advantages of preset situation.

It is hard to swallow, but 99% of population don't get big advantages from traditional forms of government. And if you are a heterosexual white male whom belives that all that LGBT thing is going for you you are just manipulated into one of dozens of cultural wars with no impact on you live.

Really, you don't get anything from banning gay marriage if you are a hetero. Maybye some fuel to cope machine if you are into some kind of religious movement, but nothing more. Just like typicall Ivan from Omsk didn't get anything if Russia will annex anything - main differenceis that Ivan can get a bullet in war and you are perfectly safe in cultural wars.
 
Really, you don't get anything from banning gay marriage if you are a hetero. Maybye some fuel to cope machine if you are into some kind of religious movement, but nothing more. Just like typicall Ivan from Omsk didn't get anything if Russia will annex anything - main differenceis that Ivan can get a bullet in war and you are perfectly safe in cultural wars.
Of course I do.
I promote and normalize the social behaviors that are mine and majoritarian, and marginalize the behaviors that are not leading to reproduction and are a minority.
I don't particularly have much against gays, but what they do cannot be normalized, EVER. Back in the closet, and buttfuck in your bedroom. Don't expect ANY normalization or inclusion if you are politically, openly gay. If you're hiding what you are, don't care, I care about society-wide norms, not individuals.
 
It's really a shame that Putin will probably not be Mussolini'd, even if he loses power.
I am not so sure about this, if you took over from Putin would he not be your first target? Ex-KGB mafioso, ex-ruler with a personality cult who has a penchant for murdering his opponents in very painful, very public ways... He is far too dangerous for any would be leader of Russia, even a reformist if one was to take power would need to have him disposed of, and even if a reformist did take over they would be inheriting a gangster state where such actions would be common place.

Plus, Russia could, for all we know, shatter further with their disparate ethnic minorities vowing for power as Putin's legitimacy in the toilet. In this scenario, he would undoubtedly catch a bullet.

I struggle to see how he lives after power, but if I am honest I would say there is better than even odds he stays in power until he dies of old age or becomes senile.
 
Don't forget trannies, zognazis (yeah, I don't know how you make a combo of those two) etc etc.
'Zognik' is being force-memed right now because they are definitely not mad about being called vatniks.

Also, in honor of Lyman being liberated, let's have a good laugh.





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