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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Untrue.
Power structures and hierarchies came from fulfilling our destiny as inventors, explorers and truth-seekers.
False. Power structures always have a Divine justification. Western inventors, explorers, and truth-seekers were, for most of Western history, nothing but employees of someone who claims power from God.

Science is ours, with minor Arab and Asian contributions.
Wrong, it came from the Latin Church. They started the tradition of objectively studying nature as a way to understand God, and from that, we got the trend of studying the natural world on its own, which eventually evolved into what we call modern science. And prior to them, it belonged to the Latins, the Greeks, and the Asians.

Conquest was ours because of our risk taking and technological supremacy.
Most of those conquest wars were undertaken in the name of Faith, and the technological supremacy came from the scientific tradition nourished by that faith.

There is no tradition here, just struggle for resources and survival. Since our ethnic groups have become outnumbered and weak, it's but a logical conclusion that we must renounce the narcissism of the small differences so we can muster the numbers required for a civilization yet again.
There was always tradition, and there will always be tradition. And no, so long as the west accepts contraception and abortion, they will never have the numbers required for a civilization.

There are no rights given to you by any god, there are only those that have power and give you some crumbles so you don't revolt and do mass collective politics.
False. God gives rights, and all man can do is recognize it, be it the right of a God-ordained monarch to rule, or the rights of man given to him by God. If the government is the source of rights, then it can take those rights away by a penstroke, and we all know how that story ended. The Reign of Terror, the Holodomor, the Great Leap Forward, the list goes on.

The hierarchies in a monarchy are degenerate and abnormal, based on inbred blood, and should be extinguished. I want meritocratic hierarchies where everyone with the genetic luck and will to struggle can make it. I am not interested in preserving anything just because it's old and "trad", only if it serves a purpose.
Then I suppose you didn't study the Middle Ages where monarchs can be elected or deposed by nobles based on how they rule? Or the Roman age where any general with enough men supporting him can become Emperor? Absolute monarchs were an early modern trend-due to dynasties like the Hapsburgs and the Bourbons gaining the support of the commonfolk in nations like Spain and France.

For example, in Poland Catholicism serves as a vehicle for struggle against LGBTQ excesses, so it should be tolerated as an ally. The statues of former rulers serve as an indication of ethnic continuity and a reminder of past sacrifices to maintain territorial integrity, so they can stay.
False. Catholicism is Poland's beating heart. It shouldn't just be "tolerated", it should be promoted and defended due to it being the heart of Polish culture. And the statues of former rulers are a reminder of Poland's glorious past as a God-fearing nation, not as a mere ethnic tribe.

Some traditions are a good reminder that there are Us and Them, and we're NOT all the same, universalism is a lie, and groups of people battle over resources and territory, just like Russia and Ukraine, and when that happens, you really, really, REALLY don't want to lose and become an extinct ethnic group, like ancient Egyptians.
Universalism is the truth. At the end of the day, we're all humans, born of the same flesh, with the same organs and blood, with minor changes in skin color, hair color, and other traits. At the end of the day, we are all God's children, and the sooner we accept that, the sooner all these farcical wars and conflicts can end. For all the falsehoods that the global elite peddle, the idea that we are all one race is one idea they've taken from something objectively true; from religion and tradition which says that all humans are children of the same God.

Here's a video on Russia by a Russian who talks about how crazy things have been in the past few days:


Russian forces flee Lyman despite its annexation by Moscow, Ukrainian troops raise their flags in the city:


Russian nuclear threat is very high, according to Ukrainian Intelligence:

 
I am not so sure about this, if you took over from Putin would he not be your first target? Ex-KGB mafioso, ex-ruler with a personality cult who has a penchant for murdering his opponents in very painful, very public ways... He is far too dangerous for any would be leader of Russia, even a reformist if one was to take power would need to have him disposed of, and even if a reformist did take over they would be inheriting a gangster state where such actions would be common place.

Plus, Russia could, for all we know, shatter further with their disparate ethnic minorities vowing for power as Putin's legitimacy in the toilet. In this scenario, he would undoubtedly catch a bullet.

I struggle to see how he lives after power, but if I am honest I would say there is better than even odds he stays in power until he dies of old age or becomes senile.
I meant Mussolini's death, not the coup and imprisonment. Unless things become very bad, I can't see Putin being torn apart by a mob. Even before things get that bad, it would be in the interest of his own government to depose him to save themselves.
 
It will make things even worse in fact, the experienced and professional forces are now pretty much all dead, maimed or otherwise incapacitated and are being replaced with undisciplined, untrained conscripts. I think the Russian military is refusing to cooperate with Putin's idiotic scheme further complicating matters as well.

Hopefully the draftees kill their officers and desert at the first opportunity, it's the moral thing to do and will save their lives.
It's an absolute shitshow. From that same guy I heard that an experienced officer told him that they don't want these mobilized troops because they would just get in the way.
Continuing the theme of funny stories, in my region a bus full of mobilized men (mobs from now on) crashed because one drunk retard assaulted the driver.
In another place colonel got his face caved in because he called mobs cannon fodder ("meat"):
It's pandemonium out there.

And because we live in a meme world:
(France to deliver 12 more Caesar howitzers, cancelling Danish order to make that happen, funny image edit from the channel)
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The US is far from perfect, but there is no question to me that we're objectively better than Russia by every metric.
Nah, we got better internet.
 
I meant Mussolini's death, not the coup and imprisonment. Unless things become very bad, I can't see Putin being torn apart by a mob. Even before things get that bad, it would be in the interest of his own government to depose him to save themselves.
I am not so sure about this, if you took over from Putin would he not be your first target? Ex-KGB mafioso, ex-ruler with a personality cult who has a penchant for murdering his opponents in very painful, very public ways... He is far too dangerous for any would be leader of Russia, even a reformist if one was to take power would need to have him disposed of, and even if a reformist did take over they would be inheriting a gangster state where such actions would be common place.

Plus, Russia could, for all we know, shatter further with their disparate ethnic minorities vowing for power as Putin's legitimacy in the toilet. In this scenario, he would undoubtedly catch a bullet.

I struggle to see how he lives after power, but if I am honest I would say there is better than even odds he stays in power until he dies of old age or becomes senile.

More likely, Putin will get kicked out by the oligarchs and be exiled to some neutral country like the Kaiser back in WW1. Maybe he can live in Hungary with Orban? Wait, no, that would be too close to the EU, and some assassin could come and kill him.

Maybe he can live as a monk in Mount Athos? Live a life of penance, praying and making icons in reparation for all the damage he's caused?

this is 4chin level of discourse, calling things you dislike cope.
do better?
No, it really is cope. Teleology comes from religion and tradition, everything falls into place from God's plan.

Of course I do.
I promote and normalize the social behaviors that are mine and majoritarian, and marginalize the behaviors that are not leading to reproduction and are a minority.
I don't particularly have much against gays, but what they do cannot be normalized, EVER. Back in the closet, and buttfuck in your bedroom. Don't expect ANY normalization or inclusion if you are politically, openly gay. If you're hiding what you are, don't care, I care about society-wide norms, not individuals.
You can't fulfill any of that without religion and tradition. Because without those two, gaining as much pleasure as possible without constraints from religion is no longer verboten. Which means gay sex and internet porn become legitimate life choices.

The majority's social behaviors come from religion and tradition, not the other way around. And the more ground religion and tradition loses, the more deviant behavior becomes common.
 
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I meant Mussolini's death, not the coup and imprisonment. Unless things become very bad, I can't see Putin being torn apart by a mob. Even before things get that bad, it would be in the interest of his own government to depose him to save themselves.
I think one of the things Putin has that Mussolini didn't is the oligarchs with their own planes, boats, mansions, and so forth.

He might be riding the last chopper out of Saigon, but it's going to be a chopper with a gold toilet.
 
Continuing the theme of funny stories, in my region a bus full of mobilized men (mobs from now on) crashed because one drunk retard assaulted the driver.
In another place colonel got his face caved in because he called mobs cannon fodder ("meat")
Again it's like a country that was surprised attacked not the aggressor in the war who had the benefit of pre-planning and intel gathering, how long can Russia hold on with this level of looking pathetic?
On another note good joke from Chechnya's leader calling for nukes to be used, I am sure that amazing plan couldn't backfire at all...
 
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this is 4chin level of discourse, calling things you dislike cope.
do better?
I don't think your original statement deserved any more. But if it makes you feel better, "Destiny implies some sort of imposed direction and purpose to existence, but imposed direction and purpose only come about if there is some sort of supernature imposing them. Without some sort of religious framework, there is no supernature to impose. Therefore, if you have no religion to draw from, appealing to destiny lacks necessary foundation and is nothing more than an emotional appeal."
 
Meh, the mudslimes can all get turned into red paste.
Agreed, Putin sent those Chechens in because he knew the symbolism of Muslims fighting Christians in a territory that was at one time under Muslim control. They are fighting for the Dar Al-Islam against the kuffars.

Same with the prisoners and mercenaries, they can get fucked too. I only want to see the regular soldiers and civilian conscripts forced into this disaster escape safely.
 
Wow, this russiaboo coward Big Serge actually protected his tweets. What is he afraid of? Mean memes?

The dust hasn't settled in Lyman so we can't know for sure what the losses were on each side, but so far it looks like a major setback for Russia, and yet this guy is talking like Baghdad Bob. Ukrainians could be occupying Moscow and he'd be tweeting about how they're being led into a carefully planned trap.
 
I don't think your original statement deserved any more. But if it makes you feel better, "Destiny implies some sort of imposed direction and purpose to existence, but imposed direction and purpose only come about if there is some sort of supernature imposing them. Without some sort of religious framework, there is no supernature to impose. Therefore, if you have no religion to draw from, appealing to destiny lacks necessary foundation and is nothing more than an emotional appeal."
Absolute BS lmao.
Only accumulation of power and resources matter.
With power and resources you can shape the way you live.
Religion is for retards that can't come to terms that their bodies will wither and die and turn to nothingness, and worse, it keeps the low IQ masses in check, instead of having them used as the weapon that they should be against elites of all sorts.
Also, anime degenerate avatar, so there's that. You're not religious. You're a loli accepter.
 
Again it's like a country that was surprised attacked not the aggressor in the war who had the benefit of pre-planning and intel gathering, how long can Russia hold on with this level of looking pathetic?
On another note good joke from Chechnya's leader calling for nukes to be used, I am sure that amazing plan couldn't backfire at all...
It really goes to show that they're a third-world nation pretending to be a superpower. I'm pretty sure some third-world nations aren't as corrupt as Russia is.

Wow, this russiaboo coward Big Serge actually protected his tweets. What is he afraid of? Mean memes?

The dust hasn't settled in Lyman so we can't know for sure what the losses were on each side, but so far it looks like a major setback for Russia, and yet this guy is talking like Baghdad Bob. Ukrainians could be occupying Moscow and he'd be tweeting about how they're being led into a carefully planned trap.
Sometimes, you've got to wonder if these guys do this for a living. Like, maybe they're self-aware of the fact that they're making up bullshit and they're just doing this for TEH LULZ. But I'm not holding my breath. More than likely, these people are deceiving themselves just as much as they're trying to deceive others.

Agreed, Putin sent those Chechens in because he knew the symbolism of Muslims fighting Christians in a territory that was at one time under Muslim control. They are fighting for the Dar Al-Islam against the kuffars.
Which is kinda funny when so-called "Christian Nationalists" in the West side with Russia, the same Russia using Muslim auxiliaries against fellow Orthodox Christians.

I don't think your original statement deserved any more. But if it makes you feel better, "Destiny implies some sort of imposed direction and purpose to existence, but imposed direction and purpose only come about if there is some sort of supernature imposing them. Without some sort of religious framework, there is no supernature to impose. Therefore, if you have no religion to draw from, appealing to destiny lacks necessary foundation and is nothing more than an emotional appeal."
Exactly. Destiny implies that a higher power ordained you for a certain task. These secular reactionaries are making emotional appeals to preserve things they didn't create.

Pro Russian shills, much like they army they root for, now running away like little bitches.
Are we really surprised? They only talked tough when Russia started the war, saying things like "might makes right". Well, now that their side is no longer the mighty one, they're running away like the rats that they are.

Absolute BS lmao.
Only accumulation of power and resources matter.
With power and resources you can shape the way you live.
Then by that metric, the GLOBOHOMO elite are just as good as the nationalists/traditionalists, since they're also all about gaining resources and power.

Religion is for retards that can't come to terms that their bodies will wither and die and turn to nothingness, and worse, it keeps the low IQ masses in check, instead of having them used as the weapon that they should be against elites of all sorts.
Except religion pretty much formed the core of western intellectual life, and the more we strayed away from it, the more the world gets wrapped up in vapid news cycles and celebrity bullshit. Also, going up against elites of all sorts? You're sounding rather socialist there, pal. How can you claim to be for hierarchy when you hate the elites and want them all gone? A hierarchy implies the existence of elites who are obviously going to be above the average peasant.
 
Agreed, Putin sent those Chechens in because he knew the symbolism of Muslims fighting Christians in a territory that was at one time under Muslim control. They are fighting for the Dar Al-Islam against the kuffars.

Same with the prisoners and mercenaries, they can get fucked too. I only want to see the regular soldiers and civilian conscripts forced into this disaster escape safely.
That is of course taking a broad stroke when defining 'fight'.
Fat bearded faggtots did a whole instagram publicity campaign, then got blow the fuck up to allah and their translucent raisin wives when it turned out that Ukrainians can actually fight.
 
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On the nuclear stuff, I'll never say never, but I think the odds are exceedingly low.

Putin knows that if he uses any form of nuclear weapon that it will attract a kinetic response from NATO and the US, than they cannot afford to allow such action as they would lose credibility globally.

He will also knows, or should know, that there are people whose entire job is to put together options for strike packages against Russia for these exact scenarios. I would expect this to hasten his end.

I could be wrong, but even Putin doesn't want a nuclear exchange, yet he would be escalating on uncharted territory.
 
Then by that metric, the GLOBOHOMO elite are just as good as the nationalists/traditionalists, since they're also all about gaining resources and power.
It all depends on what is the external lens through which you look at the situation, but yes.
There is no moral stake here just a struggle for supremacy.
Sadly I have only to lose regardless of which side wins here, may Allah burn all their kuffar souls in jahannam.
 
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Pro Russian shills, much like they army they root for, now running away like little bitches.
It makes me wonder. Where are the retards that would non stop bash Vince McMahon for not joining the UAF? I sure hope they are on telegram screaming at their phones at the hundreds of thousands of Russian men fleeing Conscription.
 
Except religion pretty much formed the core of western intellectual life, and the more we strayed away from it, the more the world gets wrapped up in vapid news cycles and celebrity bullshit. Also, going up against elites of all sorts? You're sounding rather socialist there, pal. How can you claim to be for hierarchy when you hate the elites and want them all gone? A hierarchy implies the existence of elites who are obviously going to be above the average peasant.
Because there are different ways of implementing hierarchy.
One is based on a claim to regal blood, or at holding mystical truth, which are both lies.
Another way is based in claims of vitality, strength, proving oneself in a struggle, like battle, or scientific discovery, or carrying 5 children. The "trad" stuff is more based in pragmatism for me, i.e. national borders and tribal cohesion offer safety to economically develop etc. And yes, the masses need to be kept happy, so they don't revolt, and the elites are nearly always degenerate and should be uprooted, if we're talking about the current system, as none of them has proven themselves in anything of use for humanity or tribe.
 
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