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Professional Lurker said:
Based on my previous posts you can probably guess which project this is from...

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I don't like it, it's too overdesigned for cheap-ass steel gear. Ornate designs should be reserved for top-end sets, maybe mid-level, where the users would have the gold to commission something fancy. And that warhammer would survive half a smash before the head would crumple.
 
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Vault Boy said:
I'm not sure why you guys are pessimistic about a main Elder Scrolls game tackling an elf or beast province, ESO has so much content for those provinces (both in the base game and expansions) that they've had plenty of mainstream exposure. I've seen a bunch of other players in Vvardenfell on Xbox, and that's one of the most alien places in the series (I wouldn't be shocked if people tried the original Morrowind since it's also on Game Pass).

Plus, it's fucking Elder Scrolls, people would go crazy for this series regardless of where it's set (barring Bethesda fucking up royally).
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I think everybody is pessimistic just because when Skyrim came out the meta changed to basically being able to appeal to everybody so a lot of the lore was cut back in many areas especially around Alduin and the dragons so if you were coming in for the first time you probably wouldn't understand a lot of the references which somewhat fits the meta of the game because everybody is supposed to have forgotten about the dragon wars and Alduin. If you're an oldfag you will remember the sneed around Morrowind coming out and how they had to change things in 3D and take out stuff people liked from Daggerfall ,such as explicit nudity. It was another meta change that ended up working greatly in the company's favor but left some fans sneeding.

Humans are the most palatable to all people for obvious reasons. Even elves are more palatable than cat people or lizard people. That being said, I think Khajits and Argonians have amazingly cool lore that deserves its own game. with M'aiq the Liar for final boss revealed as the Dreamer of the world you live in and also music by young scrolls All we could do is pray it will not be ruined by furries for we are at their mercy.

HeyYou said:
He wrote the 37th Sermon of Vivec. Contract work is probably overselling it a bit.
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That's really cool. I did not read a word of it.

I really loved all the quests in Morrowind area. The main line with Vivec was really paying homage to his mastery as all this takes place before the Nerevarine comes. It laid out a good groundwork of fake Nerevarines that came before and what the true one should be.

Only eh part is the dark elf lady you are helping is entirely outshined by Naryu who is a Morag Tong questline agent my eso waifu and recurring charachter in Tamriel.
 
Super Hans said:
I don't like it, it's too overdesigned for cheap-ass steel gear. Ornate designs should be reserved for top-end sets, maybe mid-level, where the users would have the gold to commission something fancy.
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If it's put side-by-side with the Orcish armor I think it'd look okay-ish, but with every other set, probably not. What's worse is that the artist wanted to put more emphasis on the "Art Nouveau references", so it was only slightly less overbearing before.

Super Hans said:
And that warhammer would survive half a smash before the head would crumple.
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That's a warhammer?? I thought it was a staff until I looked up Morrowind's weapon types, holy shit!
 
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That's a warhammer?? I thought it was a staff until I looked up Morrowind's weapon types, holy shit!
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Same but I suppose it is labeled 'blunt weapon'. I actually don't hate the look but I do agree its way too ornate for a simple metal. Like the pattern on the cloth sections but it should be mixed with a less busy armor so the accent stick out.
 
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Meiwaku said:
Was playing ESO because i caved and got the steam sale and was having a nostalgia trip in Vvarenfell so I bought the whole thing. Theres lesbians in a non intrusive way in Vvarenfell but honestly they also ride bugs, condone slavery in the houses you need to levitate to get to(in Morrowind), say the N word freely, and can legally kill you with a contract... so two women being married (the one who is the foreman of the new building in Vivec City) doesn't really stick out to me as un-dark elfy.

BUT In the Sommerset expansion I came for haha racist elves (part 2) but finished a quest where one of the highlights was a charachter turned out to be a tranny who used MAGIC to gender change. Post quest you could talk to them about gender. Also ofc it's a fucking elf. Elderbros... i don't feel so good.

My only other complaints other than the paystore is that there was a fucking cringe tier voice acting for one of the main quests in Deshaan ( like it was Oblivion level bad with how autistic and unemotional the woman sounded.) Oh and Cliff Striders do not scare me as much as they should.

Redguardlands I haven't played much of the lore in but from what it looks like, it seems really neat. I've only run around there to to get the XP from locations but when I play it, I will give the class my report on if it got wokefucked or not. I'm hoping not because the Redguard lore is actually based a lot on HINDUISM and therefore is really refreshing. Most Elderscrolls lore is a good mishmash of ideas so it's not like "wow this race is clearly a cry for real world ____".

Their basis in belief is very hindu as one of the writers who brought in all that lore for them was also working on the original ES (he left before skyrim) which is why Vivec is the way he is. The Redguard believe in creation, matinence, and destruction of the world as well as a period in between when there's nothing.

It also explains how the dragons originally worked after they splintered off with Aldiun as the world eater who was supposed to eat the world but then really liked humans worshipping him so he became a tyrant. So they had to defeat him for the sake of a future person to figure out but forgot and put the prophecy wall hidden behind a bloodseal so everyone forgot about the signs Alduin was coming (like oblvion gates, civil war etc.). Then you clap his cheeks as the dragon born.

Basically tl;dr lore good. Pls don't Dragon Age level fuck it up.
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Lots of fans said the troon elf wasn't that in your face, but it was pretty cringe imo. Now changing sex with magic wouldn't be too far fetched for the series (Divayth Fyr and his female clones), but the way the character is presented as a runaway theatre kid is lame.
That said ESO isn't that bad or extremely woke, if anything I'm surprised it isn't utter shit.
 
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Lots of fans said the troon elf wasn't that in your face, but it was pretty cringe imo. Now changing sex with magic wouldn't be too far fetched for the series (Divayth Fyr and his female clones), but the way the character is presented as a runaway theatre kid is lame.
That said ESO isn't that bad or extremely woke, if anything I'm surprised it isn't utter shit.
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The funny part was the troon elf was wearing a mask the whole time so I was keking internally about how the elf didn't do gender affirming facial treatments yet.

It was still cringe because like the story didn't need a tranny twist. It's not far fetched for many series with magic as a big component. (Also Vivec is technically half male half female)

The amount of minor stuff they put in to appease the Queer (derogatory) people is so mild. There allegedly was a pride parade in ESO though but I didn't join early enough to see that.
 
Gilgamesh said:
A lot of people think he did drugs to write Morrowind's lore, but he denies that and says he was just studying eastern religions at the time.
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I've looked at Morrowind's lore, and I find it more believable than not the dude was whacked out of his gourd on a week-long LSD bender at some point while writing it.
 
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Meiwaku said:
I think everybody is pessimistic just because when Skyrim came out the meta changed to basically being able to appeal to everybody so a lot of the lore was cut back in many areas especially around Alduin and the dragons so if you were coming in for the first time you probably wouldn't understand a lot of the references which somewhat fits the meta of the game because everybody is supposed to have forgotten about the dragon wars and Alduin. If you're an oldfag you will remember the sneed around Morrowind coming out and how they had to change things in 3D and take out stuff people liked from Daggerfall ,such as explicit nudity. It was another meta change that ended up working greatly in the company's favor but left some fans sneeding.

Humans are the most palatable to all people for obvious reasons. Even elves are more palatable than cat people or lizard people. That being said, I think Khajits and Argonians have amazingly cool lore that deserves its own game. with M'aiq the Liar for final boss revealed as the Dreamer of the world you live in and also music by young scrolls All we could do is pray it will not be ruined by furries for we are at their mercy.
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Sure, but ESO has been around for so long that people have had years to process a lot of the weird shit that comes with the elf and beast provinces, I think the Elsweyr expansions even featured the non humanoid Khajiit subraces. Maybe it would've been too weird if TES VI jumped straight into one of those provinces if Skyrim was the only Elder Scrolls content before (and granted, I'm certain VI will either be Hammerfell, High Rock, or even both), but ESO remains highly popular and has yet to show any signs of slowing down.

Barring the scenario of Bethesda returning to Cyrodiil or Skyrim, we're going to see most of those weird provinces at some point.
 
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Vault Boy said:
Sure, but ESO has been around for so long that people have had years to process a lot of the weird shit that comes with the elf and beast provinces, I think the Elsweyr expansions even featured the non humanoid Khajiit subraces. Maybe it would've been too weird if TES VI jumped straight into one of those provinces if Skyrim was the only Elder Scrolls content before (and granted, I'm certain VI will either be Hammerfell, High Rock, or even both), but ESO remains highly popular and has yet to show any signs of slowing down.

Barring the scenario of Bethesda returning to Cyrodiil or Skyrim, we're going to see most of those weird provinces at some point.
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Even if they go to the provinces with interesting lore they're just going to do their usual schtick of dumbing it down and making it more generic. That's why I specifically hope they don't go to Elsweyr even though that would be my number 1 pick if I trusted that they wouldn't do it dirty.
 
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Meiwaku said:
I think everybody is pessimistic just because when Skyrim came out the meta changed to basically being able to appeal to everybody so a lot of the lore was cut back in many areas especially around Alduin and the dragons so if you were coming in for the first time you probably wouldn't understand a lot of the references which somewhat fits the meta of the game because everybody is supposed to have forgotten about the dragon wars and Alduin. If you're an oldfag you will remember the sneed around Morrowind coming out and how they had to change things in 3D and take out stuff people liked from Daggerfall ,such as explicit nudity. It was another meta change that ended up working greatly in the company's favor but left some fans sneeding.
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What people need to understand is that it's not even really a question of whether or not the setting has broad appeal, an elf alien setting definitely has mass market appeal, look at shit like Avatar. Bethesda chooses generic human continents because it's easy and they're lazy as hell. It's easier for them to make without having to actually drum up effort or talent, so that's what they'll do, and it helps that they can steal whatever aesthetic is currently popular at the time.

Oblivion? Just crib Peter Jackson, huge at the time. Rainforest Romans would be hard to design for and make an appealing aesthetic for so just make it generic green land.

Skyrim? People love GOT and Vikings right now, just do that.

Redfall? Niggers are hot right now, better set it there.
Gilgamesh said:
He's stated he did contract work on ESO, but isn't credited. I'm not sure exactly what he did (besides 37th sermon of vivec), but I vaguely recall his wife Lady Nerevar saying he did stuff for the DLCs. I know one of the Loremasters (an actual job title) has said they've consulted MK.
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I get the impression he's just kind of around as a consultant and does very little, if any, actual core writing for the projects.
 
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Mega Black said:
I get the impression he's just kind of around as a consultant and does very little, if any, actual core writing for the projects.
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Even during the morrowind days, I think MK was just a lore and setting writer. But with how Bethesda refuses to properly credit people I could be wrong.
 
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scathefire said:
We're probably never going to have a TES game in a non-human province ever again. It needs to have maximum appeal to a general audience and all that.
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Wouldn't say that. I think the lore of the NWO lizards and furries is pretty interesting but I don't really want to spent the length of a full price game among them, however Black Marsh and Elsweyr seem like perfect locations for DLCs so I wouldn't lose all hope completly.
 
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scathefire said:
We're probably never going to have a TES game in a non-human province ever again. It needs to have maximum appeal to a general audience and all that.
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Thats honestly based on if the elder scrolls 7 ever comes out. Since Bethesda is likely insisting on having elder scrolls 6 in hammerhead and high rock they have a pretty interesting with the "Crown" faction. If they're insistent on going for the "anti racism" message they could have the wealthier redguards be racist and look down upon other groups? Maybe with colorism? Pale people are considered outsiders? Pale redguards are not considered true redguards?

I doubt a multi million dollar would ever have that in their game, but it would be interesting, it just needs a little more nuance than "wacism bad". Honestly making ES6 in the summerset isles would be a better decision.
 
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Thats honestly based on if the elder scrolls 7 ever comes out. Since Bethesda is likely insisting on having elder scrolls 6 in hammerhead and high rock they have a pretty interesting with the "Crown" faction. If they're insistent on going for the "anti racism" message they could have the wealthier redguards be racist and look down upon other groups? Maybe with colorism? Pale people are considered outsiders? Pale redguards are not considered true redguards?

I doubt a multi million dollar would ever have that in their game, but it would be interesting, it just needs a little more nuance than "wacism bad". Honestly making ES6 in the summerset isles would be a better decision.
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The Forebearers are the redguards of northern Hammerfall, and they also have a history of being buck broken by the Bretons of west High Rock, I can see the pro thalmor Daggerfall being evil rayysist against the poor pirates of color, who use the power of nigger to defeat them (while also making magic builds even less viable because Redguards dont like magic). Emil and Mark are probably writing this, and I have a feeling it is only going to take one frumpy shecoon to force this through as Emil does not give a shit about story, and Mark has all the fight of a paper bag.
 
So apparently the anniversary update on Switch made the game unplayable on the console with crashes and dropped framerates. Tod saw a version of Skyrim that was playable and decided that could no longer stand and broke it himself.
 
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