War Invasion of Ukraine News Megathread - Thread is only for articles and discussion of articles, general discussion thread is still in Happenings.

President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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[Elämällä on väliä]

Some traditions are a good reminder that there are Us and Them, and we're NOT all the same

So how you can live as a member of small, weak and multiple times conquered group? The only link between colonial superpowers and East Europe is white skin.

Just like between Germans and Ainu tribe from north Japan.

Of course I do.

What you get from that activity? Can you point it? You now, in measurable things: higher GDP, more children in country, more nice tradwifes to marry and so one, not another ideology blabla.

I don't particularly have much against gays, but what they do cannot be normalized, EVER.

Do you have any reasons for that other than religious blabla? Fighting against ANY modernization (and yes, gay rights are form of modernization) is always a retarded way to desroy own country or make it a subject toother power.

Even in terms of birth rates across Europe more inclusive countries have more childrens per vagina than "traditional" east members of EU. That small countries are just making similar errors that in past, but in new forms: in previous centauries their was against political modernization, new forms of business activity and now they are just repeting their clinge to tradition.

On another note good joke from Chechnya's leader calling for nukes to be used, I am sure that amazing plan couldn't backfire at all...

Russia is on track of going to shit. They will do withda bomb one of two options:

- they will not use it and lose,
- they will use it, Ukraine get more long-range weapons, NATO will probably attack Russia in conventional preemptive attack (I bet on smashing down all remaining Oscar II and similiar subs, maybye by "unknown terrorist groups" like both NS) and them lose.

I suppose that I'm boirng with that catchphrase, but Russia made one big mistake: they showed that they are weak in military terms and they showed they have very nice raw materials in their land. This didn't work good for anyone on the world, and will not give better outcome for Russia. If they will also waste their last resort (nuclear weapons) their will share the fate of pre-revolutionar China. But without any chance for rebirth.

 

[WonderWino]

Also, assaulting a city while having it encircled is much less of a bloodbath than trying to assault it from only a single direction.

Stalingrad, leningrad and berlin would like a word with you about that. Quite a few other cities on the eastern front as well. Trying to take encircled cities can get real ugly real fast. Not something you want to be involved in on either side

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

Those outer territories are barely Russian in terms of culture and loyalty, they have no real physical connections (as in transit connections) to Moscow either, so if the federal government just takes a big enough hit we're likely to see some breakaway attempts

It is more complicated. Russia has in most places a extreme mixed population.

See Dagestan population...:

Avars - 30%
Dargins - 17%
Kumyks - 15%
Lezgins - 13%

and more than dozen others. And similiar situations are in most russian oblasts and republics. Very mixed population from dozens of ethnic groups (and their hate each other) with extreme fucked up cities/towns grid. If Russia will collapse and go into civil war we will see a horrible ethnic cleansing, way worse than what happened in former Yugoslavia when that crazy thing fall apart.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Of course I do.
I promote and normalize the social behaviors that are mine and majoritarian, and marginalize the behaviors that are not leading to reproduction and are a minority.
I don't particularly have much against gays, but what they do cannot be normalized, EVER. Back in the closet, and buttfuck in your bedroom. Don't expect ANY normalization or inclusion if you are politically, openly gay. If you're hiding what you are, don't care, I care about society-wide norms, not individuals.

>"I have nothing against gays"
>Wants them to be shunned and ostracized again
Pick one.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

>"I have nothing against gays"
>Wants them to be shunned and ostracized again
Pick one.

Having nothing against people personally but still disproving of their behavior is both possible and normal. You're pretending not to understand that or actually don't, not sure which is worse.

 

[AgendaPoster]

>"I have nothing against gays"
>Wants them to be shunned and ostracized again
Pick one.

I said "I don't have much against gays".
They are still a sexual minority which demands "equal rights" and allies itself regularly with corrosive elements of the progressive left. They have started riots and revolts against cishetero normative patriarchal societies. They are an absolutely degenerate bunch, enjoying public bathhouse pozzing and chasing, bareback orgies and more. They continued to have unprotected sex and orgies even when it was clear they were spreading an unknown virus, now known as HIV. They demand to have access to children as if they are a heterosexual couple. They want their sexual inclination taught in schools as if it's equal to the 90% heterosexual NORMAL behaviors that result in reproduction.
Stay the fuck in the closet and all is good. Don't proselytize. Don't normalize.
In Europe, we're kind and tolerant, so you get to exist, at the MARGINS of society, without getting thrown of buildings or butchered, we're not savages.
But if you want normalization, you can get fucked, easy as.

So how you can live as a member of small, weak and multiple times conquered group? The only link between colonial superpowers and East Europe is white skin.

Just like between Germans and Ainu tribe from north Japan.

What you get from that activity? Can you point it? You now, in measurable things: higher GDP, more children in country, more nice tradwifes to marry and so one, not another ideology blabla.


Do you have any reasons for that other than religious blabla? Fighting against ANY modernization (and yes, gay rights are form of modernization) is always a retarded way to desroy own country or make it a subject toother power.

Even in terms of birth rates across Europe more inclusive countries have more childrens per vagina than "traditional" east members of EU. That small countries are just making similar errors that in past, but in new forms: in previous centauries their was against political modernization, new forms of business activity and now they are just repeting their clinge to tradition.


Russia is on track of going to shit. They will do withda bomb one of two options:

- they will not use it and lose,
- they will use it, Ukraine get more long-range weapons, NATO will probably attack Russia in conventional preemptive attack (I bet on smashing down all remaining Oscar II and similiar subs, maybye by "unknown terrorist groups" like both NS) and them lose.

I suppose that I'm boirng with that catchphrase, but Russia made one big mistake: they showed that they are weak in military terms and they showed they have very nice raw materials in their land. This didn't work good for anyone on the world, and will not give better outcome for Russia. If they will also waste their last resort (nuclear weapons) their will share the fate of pre-revolutionar China. But without any chance for rebirth.

I am NOT conservative nor trad, nor anti-technological progress, you absolute nerds

 

[Armin Tamzarian]

How high are the chances that Russians launch a successful counter offensive? With Ukrainian troops probably overstreched due their new gains and Vatniks massing a formidable army of cannon fodder conscripts and fresh T90Ms in Belgorod I wouldn't say that this war is actually settled by now. Monke doesn't give a fuck about his army at this point, he just want's to keep his face and he doesn't want to stick to nookz. A suicide offensive in the Donbass, a zerg rush to Kiev with Belrussians and the last 10 Cruise Missiles - all supported by the Russian Air Force that goes full Unternehmen Bodenplatte - could actually be a realistic scenario. At least in my head.

 

[DumbDude43]

How high are the chances that Russians launch a successful counter offensive? With Ukrainian troops probably overstreched due their new gains and Vatniks massing a formidable army of cannon fodder conscripts and fresh T90Ms in Belgorod I wouldn't say that this war is actually settled by now. Monke doesn't give a fuck about his army at this point, he just want's to keep his face and he doesn't want to stick to nookz. A suicide offensive in the Donbass, a zerg rush to Kiev with Belrussians and the last 10 Cruise Missiles - all supported by the Russian Air Force that goes full Unternehmen Bodenplatte - could actually be a realistic scenario. At least in my head.

impossible to tell from the outside because we don't actually know the state of either army in terms of supply, manpower, morale, combat readiness, etc

sure, right now it looks like ukraine is on a roll, but we don't know if this is just the beginning of their newfound power or if this was a desperate last ditch effort move that burned throuh their last resources.
and right now it looks like russia is in shambles, but we don't know if this is just a temporary setback caused by a handful of incompetent commanders, or if this actually means that the whole operation is on the brink of failure.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

Stay the fuck in the closet and all is good. Don't proselytize. Don't normalize.

We still don't know what is the reason of your anti-homo agenda, but ok, as I wrote: enjoy your trad/healthy/other copepill.

I am NOT conservative nor trad, nor anti-technological progress, you absolute nerds

So it is even more bizzare that you prefer a traditional society when you will become a represed minority.

Having nothing against people personally but still disproving of their behavior is both possible and normal. You're pretending not to understand that or actually don't, not sure which is worse.

So I'm not a anti-russian chauvinist but I just don't approve existence of russian culture? Funny, I was sure if I recognize myself as a intolerant I will be a chauvinist/rascist.

How high are the chances that Russians launch a successful counter offensive?

0%. They might lunch another offensive and take few small towns like last one with Severodonetsk (but have much more KIA in that) but nothing more.

and right now it looks like russia is in shambles, but we don't know if this is just a temporary setback caused by a handful of incompetent commanders, or if this actually means that the whole operation is on the brink of failure.

This setback is their problem from few months. Their have nearly no automotive industry on roll in this moment, sothey will not receive even single truck from other sources than deep reserves and maybye buy from North Korea or Iran.

New BTG-s will be build on raw meat (sorry, mobiliks) and their will be less than in february. Also they will fight with trained ukrainian units (and "foreign volunteers") with at least few months of combat experience.

They middle and long range art-s are shit compared to gifts from NATO to Ukraine.

So, the Offensive 2.0 will be a funny thing: packs of orcs going on foot or in random Scooby Doo vans against heavy artilery.

War is over for Russia, and the only question is how much ruskies must die before their will admit that. We will see something like Rorke's Drift, but with ruskies as Zulu.

 

[Armin Tamzarian]

impossible to tell from the outside because we don't actually know the state of either army in terms of supply, manpower, morale, combat readiness, etc

sure, right now it looks like ukraine is on a roll, but we don't know if this is just the beginning of their newfound power or if this was a desperate last ditch effort move that burned throuh their last resources.
and right now it looks like russia is in shambles, but we don't know if this is just a temporary setback caused by a handful of incompetent commanders, or if this actually means that the whole operation is on the brink of failure.

Doubt that Ukrainians are burning through their reserves now and in the future since they capture quite much equipment every day from the Russians plus lend & lease with increased Western aid will effectively take place from this month on. New reserves of up to 40k soldiers are also trained every month in the UK..........so nah

Meanwhile Russia burned through their professional and elite units. VDV, Alpha group of the GRU Spetsnaz, the guard units, soldiers with longer contracts.......all gone. Talking about the equipment, with their elite units they lost most of their body armor, ratnik kits, their limited supply of thermal kits, all modern and modernized tanks are burned out rubble by now, cruise missiles were largely wasted on civilian targets and the Reddit HQ and their trucks/logistic units got yetted with the circus convoy to Kiev. Their options to perform large scale complex operations are more or less limited by now.

BUT they still have a shitton of BMP-1s, maybe 50 modern T90Ms, their artillery, unmodernized T72s, their air force plus their cannon fodder conscripts. All what you need for the classic Russian zerg rush orc tactic. I think they are still in the race for and to hold the Donbass and maybe a chaotic suprise attack on Kiev.

 

[MG-34]

How high are the chances that Russians launch a successful counter offensive? With Ukrainian troops probably overstreched due their new gains and Vatniks massing a formidable army of cannon fodder conscripts and fresh T90Ms in Belgorod I wouldn't say that this war is actually settled by now. Monke doesn't give a fuck about his army at this point, he just want's to keep his face and he doesn't want to stick to nookz. A suicide offensive in the Donbass, a zerg rush to Kiev with Belrussians and the last 10 Cruise Missiles - all supported by the Russian Air Force that goes full Unternehmen Bodenplatte - could actually be a realistic scenario. At least in my head.

If most of their professional army wasn't dead, wounded or captured this could be a major point of concern. The Russian military couldn't take the capital at their peak and at the Ukranian's with their pants down. I doubt a new offensive from Belarus would have a real chance concidering how the UAF are now entrenched, experienced and equipped with better gear than they were at the start. The arrival of IRIS-T systems, SPAAGs that don't have racoons nesting where the computers should be installed and MANPADs being more common than smart phones in Ukraine means the Russian Air Forces are a non factor. Not to mention a large chunk of the Russian KA-52 and Su-34 fleet are gone meaning the Russians will have to depend on POS Mi-24s and Frogfoots for CAS.

 

[DumbDude43]

Meanwhile Russia burned through their professional and elite units. VDV, Alpha group of the GRU Spetsnaz, the guard units, soldiers with longer contracts.......all gone. Talking about the equipment, with their elite units they lost most of their body armor, ratnik kits, their limited supply of thermal kits, all modern and modernized tanks are burned out rubble by now, cruise missiles were largely wasted on civilian targets and the Reddit HQ and their trucks/logistic units got yetted with the circus convoy to Kiev. Their options to perform large scale complex operations are more or less limited by now.

yeah of course, if the russians indeed lost most of their trained soldiers and high quality equipment, then they're fucked.
but my point is that we can't know that for sure. all casualty numbers we get are either speculation or propaganda, claims about lost equipment should be taken with a grain of salt as well. whether these claims are actually correct is something that we will only know for sure after the war is over (and maybe not even then)

all information we see about the war is ultimately sourced from one of the parties involved in the war, which means it can't be taken at face value. both sides have strong incentive to exaggerate some claims while downplaying others, and both sides have strong incentive to keep some information confidential.

 

[AgendaPoster]

We still don't know what is the reason of your anti-homo agenda, but ok, as I wrote: enjoy your trad/healthy/other copepill.
So it is even more bizzare that you prefer a traditional society when you will become a represed minority.

OK, let's try another path.
Do you accept that each and every human society has social norms, some implicit, some explicit, that allow humans to function while they are in public, socializing with each other?
Do you accept that there are written laws that specify the boundaries of acceptable behavior, and that they differ between geographical areas, cultures, and historical periods?
Do you accept that societies either have a group of elites that write these rules, or they organically reach a consensus by protecting behaviors that a majority sees as normal at that time?

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I said "I don't have much against gays".
They are still a sexual minority which demands "equal rights" and allies itself regularly with corrosive elements of the progressive left. They have started riots and revolts against cishetero normative patriarchal societies. They are an absolutely degenerate bunch, enjoying public bathhouse pozzing and chasing, bareback orgies and more. They continued to have unprotected sex and orgies even when it was clear they were spreading an unknown virus, now known as HIV. They demand to have access to children as if they are a heterosexual couple. They want their sexual inclination taught in schools as if it's equal to the 90% heterosexual NORMAL behaviors that result in reproduction.
Stay the fuck in the closet and all is good. Don't proselytize. Don't normalize.
In Europe, we're kind and tolerant, so you get to exist, at the MARGINS of society, without getting thrown of buildings or butchered, we're not savages.
But if you want normalization, you can get fucked, easy as.

I am NOT conservative nor trad, nor anti-technological progress, you absolute nerds

>"I don't have gays"
>calls them degenerate disease spreading pedophiles who are lucky to not be murdered

Bro, just say you hate fags. It's A&H. No one cares.

 

[AgendaPoster]

>"I don't have gays"
>calls them degenerate disease spreading pedophiles who are lucky to not be murdered

Bro, just say you hate fags. It's A&H. No one cares.

I don't though. Hatred and other passions are disabling for your intellect. There will always be people with deviant, atypical, abnormal behaviors. I'm also quite tolerant, as long as the "fags" act normal while in public, I want them enjoying the same protections the rest of the citizens do. I don't want them assaulted, beaten etc. by religious fanatics, I don't want a society destabilized because of a 5% grugg-brained brutes that can't help themselves from violence.
I want order, and social norms that favor the majority, and stable societies, conducive to pursuing arts, science, research, trade, diplomacy and more useful stuff.
I didn't say they were pedos either, I was referring to adoptions and sexed that normalizes LGBTQ. We cannot allow LGBTQs access to children, not because they might fuck them (which is a danger), but because growing up with homosexual parents means that homosexual behaviors have been normalized for you when you become adult.
I care, almost exclusively, about societal norms, NOT individuals, and things that might deconstruct the norms, and adoption is one, sex ed is another.
Sex ed is fine when it's purely biology and anatomy based. LGBTQ behaviors should only be approached later in life, and clearly medicalized as paraphilic and abnormal.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

Do you accept that each and every human society has social norms, some implicit, some explicit, that allow humans to function while they are in public, socializing with each other?

And this norms are changing over time. Not long ago eastern Europe was in states which was recognizing local languages as a abnormal behaviour and was punishing for using them. Moreover, not so long ago (~ 150-200 years ago), the majority of the population did not have the right to freely choose a job and a place to live. And the ruling class was perfectly okay with sending troops against every protest. Even the one organized by white cishetero men.

But them few nasty leftist changed everything.

BUT they still have a shitton of BMP-1s, maybe 50 modern T90Ms, their artillery, unmodernized T72s,

They will be a easy prey for everything.

 

[Armin Tamzarian]

yeah of course, if the russians indeed lost most of their trained soldiers and high quality equipment, then they're fucked.
but my point is that we can't know that for sure. all casualty numbers we get are either speculation or propaganda, claims about lost equipment should be taken with a grain of salt as well. whether these claims are actually correct is something that we will only know for sure after the war is over (and maybe not even then)

all information we see about the war is ultimately sourced from one of the parties involved in the war, which means it can't be taken at face value. both sides have strong incentive to exaggerate some claims while downplaying others, and both sides have strong incentive to keep some information confidential.

For equipment losses I mostly orientate myself with Oryxs list although it's probably still too low since he only adds visually confirmed losses.

The death toll of the Russians is even more complicated. Russkies themselves accidentally leaked their death toll in late March and back then they already had 9.000 KIA without Donbabweians. This was btw. before the suicidal trench line campaign in the Donbass started. With all the constant suicide pushes against the Ukrainian lines in the Donbass I wouldn't be suprised if they really already lost over 50k in combat.

Talking about losses of the elite unit. One of their guard tank divisons was confirmed yetted over the early to mid Summer plus another one is currently stucked in Kherson. The Alpha Group of the Spetsanz suffered heavy losses during the early stages of the campaign when one convoy got shelled by Ukie artillery and serveral Spetsnagger saboteurs were killed in the first days of the siege of Kiev (remember the assassination attempts on Zelensker?) I need to check out YouTube again but there were serveral (death) tributes to the Alpha Group on VatnikTube at the start of the year. Sadly the titles were all in their black book language so I can't find it right away again (trust me bro yeah yeah). VDV probably still has the lowest losses among the special units since they were mostly removed from combat after the slaughterhouse that was Hostomel.

 

[AgendaPoster]

And this norms are changing over time. Not long ago eastern Europe was in states which was recognizing local languages as a abnormal behaviour and was punishing for using them. Moreover, not so long ago (~ 150-200 years ago), the majority of the population did not have the right to freely choose a job and a place to live. And the ruling class was perfectly okay with sending troops against every protest. Even the one organized by white cishetero men.

But them few nasty leftist changed everything.

Exactly.
There will ALWAYS be social norms, and they are not immutable, change is inevitable and eternal, just like struggle.
So it's all but natural that groups that are at odds with each other will eventually come to blows, as resources are limited. If a challenger group fails, they might die, they get expunged from the genetic pool, and the winners take their resources. If the challenger group wins, they ascend to the new elite status, like the commies of old that replaced monarchies, only to become themselves a new corrupt elite. Just as an example.
The ruling class will always exist, but it's absolutely great praxis to continually put it under pressure and make it afraid for its life, as the ruling class tends to ignore the population they should serve. So they must be bullied at all times, and replaced often, so they don't get to taste royal rule, like Putin or Kim Jong or w/e.
So every group is entitled to participate in struggle, either defensive or offensive.
And every group that attempts to lie they are not participating should be bullied out into the open, so we can understand what they want, in clear, without euphemisms and cowardice.

 

[Andrew Neiman]

They are an absolutely degenerate bunch, enjoying public bathhouse pozzing and chasing, bareback orgies and more. They continued to have unprotected sex and orgies even when it was clear they were spreading an unknown virus, now known as HIV. They demand to have access to children as if they are a heterosexual couple. They want their sexual inclination taught in schools as if it's equal to the 90% heterosexual NORMAL behaviors that result in reproduction.
Stay the fuck in the closet and all is good. Don't proselytize. Don't normalize.

Textbook self-hating closeted gay man.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Textbook self-hating closeted gay man.

Textbook shitlib "haha, you hate gays because you wanna fuck butts" idiocy.
You'd fit better in r/traaaaaaaans or something