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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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[DumbDude43]

Every single bad thing that happened to Europe in the last 60 years had one of the US 3-Letter Agencies behind it, not Russia. It wasn't Russia that invaded the middle east under false pretenses, fund regime change after regime change that caused millions of angry muzzles to flood Europe.

eurocucks getting flooded with shitskins is solely the fault of the eurocuck governments who vehemently refuse to close their borders to undesirables

 

[thx1138]

Turkey doesn't have to smuggle in the electronic components. And has ever increasing economies of scale. I'm willing to bet that the Bayraktar's work out somewhat cheaper for those able to purchase them directly and legitimately. The Iranian crap is for those who can't do that.

I think we're saying the same thing but also Iran has to jump through how many hoops to get the tech for these things? Vs. Turkey buying a few shipping containers full of microchips.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

A war that lasted less than 11 fucking days.

That war is still going on for months.

How long was the US in Afghanistan in Iraq? DECADES. Do you need to be reminded of countless US warcrimes? Watch some wikileaks videos or picture of Abu Ghraib.

So the guy simping for a horde of rapist, warcrime-committing gopniks who sodomize their own men is going to talk to me about war crimes? Sure. Let's talk about them. Let's also talk about the war crimes committed by Russia on Ukraine-against the people whom they've called "Russians who have lost their way."

Y'know, at least most of America's war crimes were against people of different religious and ethnic backgrounds, people who have taken up arms against them and have refused their offers of a quick end to a conflict. What is Russia's justification for attacking Ukraine unprovoked again? They could've just waited until Zelensky's term was up, slipped something fat and filled with oil/gas money to some politicians running to be his successor, and they would have regained their control of Ukraine, or at least, gained an ally or a friend on the border. Instead, they're raping and slaughtering the very same people they want to "save".

For how long have the Syrian rebels the US funded and trained, that later turned into ISIS, terrorized not only Syria but also Iraq and the west?

As long as Russia has supplied the Chechens who used to sell Russians as human slaves, I suppose.

How can you even dare to compare the US warmongering to Russia when the US and NATO fucked Libya for generations and made it the entry point into Europe for human trafficking and literal slave trade.

Yes, at least they're two different things. The Americans actually win most of their engagements until they get tired of fighting and go home.

Meanwhile, your big daddy Putin is sending more untrained Russian men to die in droves in a war no one wanted, accelerating the death of the Russian people in a way America could never do:

Zelensky says latest Russian troops killed in war ‘were not trained for combat’

And these are just the "recent" wars. Spare me that hypocritical sanctimonious bullshit

Oh, please. If we went to Russia's wars during the Cold War and WW2, we'd have a list of war crimes so long, it'd make everything America did from the 1940s and beyond seem tame by comparison. I mean, there was a reason why the women of Berlin tried to make themselves look ugly when the Russian army got closer. They didn't want to get gang-raped on Church altars like other German women did.

 

[Ghostse]

Every single bad thing that happened to Europe in the last 60 years had one of the US 3-Letter Agencies behind it, not Russia. It wasn't Russia that invaded the middle east under false pretenses, fund regime change after regime change that caused millions of angry muzzles to flood Europe.

Nigger you WHAT?

Yugoslavia, Nigger. That shitshow alone should be enough to counter your arguments but I'll keep going.
USSR supplied the Arab armies. Syria, Lebennon, Egypt fucking around in Yemen with chemical weapons - All thanks to the USSR.
Did you forget who started Regieme change in Afghanistan before the US tried it?
Did we forget about the purges and gulaging in Poland? The entire country is still pissed for a reason.
Same for Hungary; for some reason the "will of the people" doesn't seem to matter when the people are telling commies to fuck off.
Nicolae Ceaușescu in Romania was executed as soon as humanly possible as a Christmas present to the Romanian people.
Lets also not forget how completely and totally they fucked up Mongolia and tried to erase their culture to the point of turning Genghis Khan's home region into a military base and bombing range.
In the *Stans, Russia literally drained an entire inland sea, more less just because they could.
And Stalin drove the push to recognize Israel, so we can thank him for the Zionist menance which is REAL driver behind all the shit you listed
And lets not forget the Soviet back insurgencies in Africa & South America.

As much as the US loves to shit stir, mettle, and make a globohomo NGO mess in regions it sets its eyes on, its still better than Russia or China.

 

[Ponzo]

So the guy simping for a horde of rapist, warcrime-committing gopniks who sodomize their own men is going to talk to me about war crimes? Sure. Let's talk about them. Let's also talk about the war crimes committed by Russia on Ukraine-against the people whom they've called "Russians who have lost their way."

Your selective outrage is pretty funny and pathetic at the same time. After the 2014 coup the separatists in the east had the exact same claim to power as the banderites that got rid of a democratically elected president. What gave the banderite cucks the right to overthrow a government but makes the separatists in the east the bad guys for refusing to submit to an unelected installed puppet regime? You might want to look into all the shit that happened after the coup in 2014 and why separatists fought back, but i doubt you were even able to point out Ukraine on a map before Putin invaded it.

Y'know, at least most of America's war crimes were against people of different religious and ethnic backgrounds, people who have taken up arms against them and have refused their offers of a quick end to a conflict.

Bandera cuck logic. How retarded are you? Why wouldn't middle eastern countries take up arms against the US after they invaded them?

What is Russia's justification for attacking Ukraine unprovoked again? They could've just waited until Zelensky's term was up, slipped something fat and filled with oil/gas money to some politicians running to be his successor, and they would have regained their control of Ukraine, or at least, gained an ally or a friend on the border. Instead, they're raping and slaughtering the very same people they want to "save".

You know exactly why Russia put the boot down on Ukraine and comparing it to the unprovoked US wars in the middle east is retarded. Iraq did not come to the US border threatening to join a pact that would put missiles on the US border.

Instead, they're raping and slaughtering the very same people they want to "save".

Ah yes, all these rapes. You might want to google Lyudmila Denisova, you know, the lady who was fired for lying about russian rapes to get more aid by gullibe retard countries populated by morons like you.

Yes, at least they're two different things. The Americans actually win most of their engagements until they get tired of fighting and go home.

Joke of the century. We saw that in Afghanistan. The US did not fight a single war against an equally equipped enemies, just muzzles with hand-me-down AK's. Bombing brown people at weddings does not count as engagements. Abusing random somalis does not count as engagements.

Meanwhile, your big daddy Putin is sending more untrained Russian men to die in droves in a war no one wanted, accelerating the death of the Russian people in a way America could never do:

Zelensky says latest Russian troops killed in war ‘were not trained for combat’

Using MSN quoting the President of a country as a credible source shows your retardation. Totally no bias. Where are the videos of all these surrendering and dead russians? Im sure if that was the case, the hohols would record every minute of all these russians surrendering.

Oh, please. If we went to Russia's wars during the Cold War and WW2, we'd have a list of war crimes so long, it'd make everything America did from the 1940s and beyond seem tame by comparison. I mean, there was a reason why the women of Berlin tried to make themselves look ugly when the Russian army got closer. They didn't want to get gang-raped on Church altars like other German women did.

My family actually lived and experienced post-war Austria, its always funny how sheltered ameritards bring up shit they have never experienced. When the russians entered the village of my grandmother, they checked some damaged radio tower and looked around the village, the russians told the women, my grandmother included, to hold up their aprons so they could fill them with sugar and then left the next day. All these horror stories you hear about muh russians are usually related to post-war conflicts like the resistance in poland and other baltic states.

The shit the US did in Vietnam alone to innocent civilians should tell everyone what the US represents.

 

[AgendaPoster]

The shit the US did in Vietnam alone to innocent civilians should tell everyone what the US represents.

This war is in East Europe, and the US never invaded East Europe, and while most of us acknowledge that it's shitty to rain chems and fire upon some Asian children, we also acknowledge that it's in Asia, not East Europe, which we autistically tend to care about first, for unknown reasons, I know.

 

[Ponzo]

Yugoslavia, Nigger. That shitshow alone should be enough to counter your arguments but I'll keep going.

Are you really trying to pin the yugoslav wars on modern Russia?

USSR supplied the Arab armies. Syria, Lebennon, Egypt fucking around in Yemen with chemical weapons - All thanks to the USSR.

The USSR does not exist anymore and even then, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt had no negative effect on Europe, unlike the regime change wars of the US who sent millions of muzzles into Europe. Modern Russia actually helped Assad defend Syria against the US funded rebels. Funny you talk about Yemen, the US right now is actively aiding the Saudis in the yemen genocide, with over half a million dead last i checked.

Did you forget who started Regieme change in Afghanistan before the US tried it?

Soviets tried to expand into Afghanistan, which did not send millions of Afghan muzzles towards europe. Do you remember which coutnries 3-Letter Agencies supported and armed Al Quaeda? You seemed really triggered by the USSR sending weapons to Egypt, must be equally triggered by the US sending arms to Al Quaeda no? And again, the USSR is not modern Russia.

Did we forget about the purges and gulaging in Poland? The entire country is still pissed for a reason.
Same for Hungary; for some reason the "will of the people" doesn't seem to matter when the people are telling commies to fuck off.
Nicolae Ceaușescu in Romania was executed as soon as humanly possible as a Christmas present to the Romanian people.

Again, the communist USSR does not exist anymore, you should try and come up with a recent example of Russia.

Lets also not forget how completely and totally they fucked up Mongolia and tried to erase their culture to the point of turning Genghis Khan's home region into a military base and bombing range.
In the *Stans, Russia literally drained an entire inland sea, more less just because they could.

That base is now abandoned because, you guessed it, the USSR no longer exists. The Aral sea was drained by the USSR because of a failed irrigation project. The USSR does not exist anymore.

In the *Stans, Russia literally drained an entire inland sea, more less just because they could.
And Stalin drove the push to recognize Israel, so we can thank him for the Zionist menance which is REAL driver behind all the shit you listed

For once you almost said the truth. Only one side in that Ukraine-Russia conflict has literal israeli mercenaries fighting for them. Its not Russia.

Spoiler

Let me ask you tho, which country funds Israel, Russia or the US?

This war is in East Europe, and the US never invaded East Europe, and while most of us acknowledge that it's shitty to rain chems and fire upon some Asian children, we also acknowledge that it's in Asia, not East Europe, which we autistically tend to care about first, for unknown reasons, I know.

You might want to look into the US/NATO war crimes in Yugoslavia, where the US just casually bombed a radio television HQ killing 16 civilians. Fun stuff.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Your selective outrage is pretty funny and pathetic at the same time. After the 2014 coup the separatists in the east had the exact same claim to power as the banderites that got rid of a democratically elected president. What gave the banderite cucks the right to overthrow a government but makes the separatists in the east the bad guys for refusing to submit to an unelected installed puppet regime? You might want to look into all the shit that happened after the coup in 2014 and why separatists fought back, but i doubt you were even able to point out Ukraine on a map before Putin invaded it.

Except the fact that the majority of Ukraine is fighting against Russia now shows that the 2014 coup was a coup for the people, by the people, and done with the expressed consent of the people. If the CIA got involved, then they were on the side of God and His angels. The fact that most of Ukraine is fighting to keep that government in charge, against the Russians which cucked the previous administration into submission, goes to show how wrong you are. Not to mention the fact that the Russians have also been using the people in the Donbas and other breakaway states as cannon fodder long before they started sending in their own people as cannon fodder probably indicates that the people in those breakaway regions are no longer as enthusiastic about Russian control as you might say they are.

Bandera cuck logic. How retarded are you? Why wouldn't middle eastern countries take up arms against the US after they invaded them?

9/11 and Saddam's refusal to let UN investigators in his country. 9/11 was done by terrorists hiding in Afghanistan at the time, and Saddam's refusal to let UN inspectors in his country made a very paranoid and war-hungry US angry, especially since Bush family was castigated for not "finishing the job" back in the First Gulf War. Bush II sought to finish the fight that his father started, but left on hold. And it's not like Saddam was a saint, he was a murderous bastard like the rest of the scum who ruled on the eastern side of the Iron Curtain. Even if we removed it from the context of 9/11 and WMDs, the Americans still took out a dictator who wasn't loved by his people. Kids were even cheering on Saddam's execution and were making mock reenactments of his death.

America at least had the moral high ground against Saddam when they invaded in 2003. They flopped when they tried to impose American-style democracy on Iraq; what they should have done is split up the country based on its ethnic and religious lines (let the Sunni, Shiite, Kurdish, and Christian sides of Iraq form their own states) instead of trying to turn Iraq into a western Republic when the Muslim world isn't even up to the Middle Ages in terms of political sophistication. The same goes for Afghanistan.

You know exactly why Russia put the boot down on Ukraine and comparing it to the unprovoked US wars in the middle east is retarded. Iraq did not come to the US border threatening to join a pact that would put missiles on the US border.

No, I do not know why Russia attacked Ukraine. Any reasonable man in charge of Russia at that junction would have just made fun of NATO militarism while using gas money to buy Ukrainian politicians. Instead, they gave NATO a reason to exist. And now that Russia is rattling the nuclear saber, it's giving America and the West a reason to wipe them off the map and give Ukraine more weapons.

Ah yes, all these rapes. You might want to google Lyudmila Denisova, you know, the lady who was fired for lying about russian rapes to get more aid by gullibe retard countries populated by morons like you.

I'm pretty sure international sources have confirmed Russian troops have raped and tortured their way through Ukraine:

Russian troops raped and tortured children in Ukraine, U.N. panel says

The findings by the United Nations experts are the latest allegations of war crimes against Russia since its invasion of Ukraine.

www.nbcnews.com

UN Report Reveals Russian Forces Raped, Tortured Ukrainian Children

Joke of the century. We saw that in Afghanistan. The US did not fight a single war against an equally equipped enemies, just muzzles with hand-me-down AK's. Bombing brown people at weddings does not count as engagements. Abusing random somalis does not count as engagements.

Again, Saddam's army would beg to differ. As would the Nazis, the North Koreans, the Imperial Japanese, the German Empire, the Confederates, and every organized army with a large-enough military. America's armies are well-equipped to win decimation battles against large armies, it's dipshits who hide among the civilians who give them a tough time like the Taliban and Viet Cong. But give them a large-enough army to fight, and they can lob enough artillery and focus enough air power and firepower at the enemy's general direction to reduce them to atoms.

Using MSN quoting the President of a country as a credible source shows your retardation. Totally no bias. Where are the videos of all these surrendering and dead russians? Im sure if that was the case, the hohols would record every minute of all these russians surrendering.

And what sources do you bring? Russian propaganda sources? Nutbag conspiracy theory sources? At this point, you make MSN sources look positively pristine by comparison.

My family actually lived and experienced post-war Austria, its always funny how sheltered ameritards bring up shit they have never experienced. When the russians entered the village of my grandmother, they checked some damaged radio tower and looked around the village, the russians told the women, my grandmother included, to hold up their aprons so they could fill them with sugar and then left the next day. All these horror stories you hear about muh russians are usually related to post-war conflicts like the resistance in poland and other baltic states.

That's not what I heard from Germans and Poles who talked about the Russians. Everyone who lived in that time and place pretty much just tells me all about gang-rape of women on Church altars, promises of freedom betrayed, and the kind of shit you'd expect the Huns to visit upon people. I've got no shortage of people from that particular side of the world who can tell me all about what the Russians did to them after WW2.

The shit the US did in Vietnam alone to innocent civilians should tell everyone what the US represents.

Compared to what the Soviets did to their own people in the Holodomor, the US atrocities in Vietnam might as well be minor acts of delinquency. At least most of them were done without the shrinks in Washington DC knowing about it until it was too late.

 

[Vince McMahon]

American war crimes do not excuse Russian war crimes.

 

[AgendaPoster]

You might want to look into the US/NATO war crimes in Yugoslavia, where the US just casually bombed a radio television HQ killing 16 civilians. Fun stuff.

I was against that, especially to defend some Turkish Empire remnants in Europe. Even though the Serbs needlessly chimped out and killed civilians, there was no need for the burgers to come test their F117s.
Still, they left.
All in all, the Yugo collapse was tragic, because all these peoples were very similar, and Yugo was a pretty prosperous multicultural state compared to neighbors, shame they could not get over their narcissistic tiny differences.
Even so, the US still did not occupy and invade Serbia, and did not make any claims of its land, and Kosovo should belong to it, and westerners that claim otherwise are shooting themselves in the foot considering the Ukraine situation.

 

[Ghostse]

Are you really trying to pin the yugoslav wars on modern Russia?

We have a different president now. Are you really trying to pin things from the 80s on the modern USA?

 

[Ponzo]

If the CIA got involved, then they were on the side of God and His angels.

This is in the top 3 most retarded statements that i have read on Kiwifarms, did someone give Chris Chan internet access?

We have a different president now. Are you really trying to pin things from the 80s on the modern USA?

Same system, same agencies.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

This is in the top 3 most retarded statements that i have read on Kiwifarms, did someone give Chris Chan internet access?

What's retarded is thinking the 2014 movement was a minority movement when most Ukrainians are supporting their government against a Russian takeover in 2022.

Same system, same agencies.

But a different president.

Putin is running out of options in this war:

https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-running-out-options-ukraine-mobilization-referendums-1748150

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-out-of-options-to-reverse-ukraine-s-advances-general-petraeus/ar-AA12AnWv?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=997f149e73324fc0a5b7ac5b6f4a7da8

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/putin-nuclear-weapons-threat-us-sanctions-military/671642/

The man might actually go for a nuclear strike after all.

 

[DumbDude43]

The USSR does not exist anymore and even then, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt had no negative effect on Europe

didnt you just blame rapefugees on burger interventions like libya?
and now you say fucking syria, the epicenter of the biggest rapefugee crisis in decades, had no negative effect on europe?

vatnik doublethink is really something

Same system, same agencies.

how you can unironically say things like this while simultaneously upholding the "but russia is not soviet anymore" position is mind boggling to me.
like, actual insanity.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

vatnik doublethink is really something

Understatement of the century. Vatnik doublethink makes the SJWs look tame by comparison.

 

[Ponzo]

didnt you just blame rapefugees on burger interventions like libya?
and now you say fucking syria, the epicenter of the biggest rapefugee crisis in decades, had no negative effect on europe?

The syrian civil war only came to be due to US involvement, like i already mentioned. Without the US funding, training and arming rebels with the help of the Saudis, the civil war would have never happened. How you would pin that war on Russia even tho Russia just supported the Syrian army aginst the Rebels is beyond me. If Syria would have fallen, you would have just had a Libya 2.0.

how you can unironically say things like this while simultaneously upholding the "but russia is not soviet anymore" position is mind boggling to me.
like, actual insanity.

Because the USSR is very different from modern Russia. I know most ameritards never even left their country and wouldn't know. The US has the exact same system with the exact same agencies meddling around the world.

What's retarded is thinking the 2014 movement was a minority movement when most Ukrainians are supporting their government against a Russian takeover in 2022.

Western Ukraine might be in support of the Ukrainian government, Eastern Ukraine is not. If you think the coup in 2014 was a majority decision, you know jack shit about Euromaidan.

But hey, even if the people of Ukraine would vote on independence its not like the hohols would accept it anyway so why bother? The Ukrainian government is such an example of pristine democracy that they banned opposition tv stations before the war even started and now banned opposition political parties and nationalized the remaining tv stations. Truly a fantastic democracy. Anyone speaking out against Ukraine gets kidnapped and tortured by the Ukrainian SBU.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

American war crimes do not excuse Russian war crimes.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

It's like saying it's okay to kill your wife just because your neighbor killed his. It's obviously not, and acting like it is while somehow also vehemently condemning your neighbor for doing it is just lunacy.

 

[Ghostse]

The USSR does not exist anymore and even then, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt had no negative effect on Europe, unlike the regime change wars of the US who sent millions of muzzles into Europe. Modern Russia actually helped Assad defend Syria against the US funded rebels. Funny you talk about Yemen, the US right now is actively aiding the Saudis in the yemen genocide, with over half a million dead last i checked.

Soviets tried to expand into Afghanistan, which did not send millions of Afghan muzzles towards europe. Do you remember which coutnries 3-Letter Agencies supported and armed Al Quaeda? You seemed really triggered by the USSR sending weapons to Egypt, must be equally triggered by the US sending arms to Al Quaeda no? And again, the USSR is not modern Russia.

I know you Putin simps are retards so this isn't for you, this is for other people with IQs above room temperature reading this.

You are being disingenious as fuck. If the US carpet bombing the Taliban produced the millions of mudslimes that Eurocuck leaders failed to keep out, than Russia created that same or worse. Or are we leaving off the Turkic invasion of Germany in the 70s that still leaves the German Government cucking to the Eternal Turkroach because of the number of dual citizens? Which was not the doing the US, btw.

Russia perpetuated the Mideast forever wars until their shitty economy no longer allowed them to in the 80s. All those fun hijackings in the 70s have a soviet root to them.

Egypt started the Nasserite movement, where Egypt -using Israel as a boogey man- under their strongman dictator attempted to carrot-and-stuck all gulf Arab leaders into becoming little more than Egyptian vassels. Nasser got away with this because of Soviet arms and training; if you wanted weapons, you had to kowtow to Nasser. Russia armed, supplied and trained the Arab armies.

Nasserism lead directly to Ba'ath Party - be ready for the shock here - put the Husseins and Al Asads at the helms of both Iraq and Syria.

So, Russia caused the situation in the middle east that the US was meddling in during the 80s.
And modern Russia propped up Assad to the point the goatfuckers in the east of the country felt they had been marginalized and excluded from the chambers of political power because they worshipped their Child Fucker the wrong way, such that ISIS was able to convince them protracted civil war was a better course of action than being slowly strangled.

And as the USSR became the Russian Federation without any (successful) coups or foreign invasion or foreign installed puppets, even maintaining their security council veto, either you acknowledge the actions of the USSR are those of Russia, or America is rendered completely blameless every 4 to 8 years when the leader is swapped out.

And Chocolate Jesus arming the sand niggers is a bad call, but that doesn't mean Putin should get to shell civilians seven years later and 2000 miles north. The fact the US should have stayed the fuck out of Syria and just sat back and cheered on the Kurds is not relevant to Russia trying once again to genocide the Ukrainians because "Muh ethnic pockets".

That base is now abandoned because, you guessed it, the USSR no longer exists. The Aral sea was drained by the USSR because of a failed irrigation project. The USSR does not exist anymore.

Yes, the USSR collapse magically undid six decades of the cultural extermination of the Mongolian people. The fact the base is no longer guarded and now simply littered with unexploded commie-crafted munitions and industrial waste means everything is hunky dory and no one should ever question Russian intentions.
It also magically returned all the mineral weapon syphoned out of the country by the soviets, as well as unimprisons and unexecutes all the people who were trying to keep the culture and language from being completely eradicated.
This is definitely what a rational person who isn't fucking their ass with a Putin life-cast dildo thinks.

You might want to look into the US/NATO war crimes in Yugoslavia, where the US just casually bombed a radio television HQ killing 16 civilians. Fun stuff.

Do you really, really want to go tit-for-tat on Yugoslav warcrimes? I remind you this a war zone full of SLAVS.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The syrian civil war only came to be due to US involvement, like i already mentioned. Without the US funding, training and arming rebels with the help of the Saudis, the civil war would have never happened. How you would pin that war on Russia even tho Russia just supported the Syrian army aginst the Rebels is beyond me. If Syria would have fallen, you would have just had a Libya 2.0.

And the fact that Assad used chemical weapons is no matter to you at all? I actually opposed America getting involved there, but it's folly to think that the Assad regime is blameless. There's plenty of reasons why people took up arms against them, and not just ISIS.

Because the USSR is very different from modern Russia. I know most ameritards never even left their country and wouldn't know. The US has the exact same system with the exact same agencies meddling around the world.

Modern Russia romanticizes the USSR, sees the USSR as the good guys, and Russia was the most powerful part of the USSR.

Western Ukraine might be in support of the Ukrainian government, Eastern Ukraine is not. If you think the coup in 2014 was a majority decision, you know jack shit about Euromaidan.

Then how come there's very little support for Russia in Eastern Ukraine now? They're all happy to see the Russians leave. Also, explain to me, if that's the case, why Russia devastated Eastern Ukraine even more than the north, near Kiev? They pretty much fucked that region in the ass before the HIMARS and the Ukrainians started driving them away. Again, why is Russia so severe and harsh with the people they're trying to "save"? If it's not sending them to their deaths like with the Donbas region folks, it's missiles and artillery up the ass hitting civilian targets.

But hey, even if the people of Ukraine would vote on independence its not like the hohols would accept it anyway so why bother? The Ukrainian government is such an example of pristine democracy that they banned opposition tv stations before the war even started and now banned opposition political parties and nationalized the remaining tv stations. Truly a fantastic democracy. Anyone speaking out against Ukraine gets kidnapped and tortured by the Ukrainian SBU.

And how is that different from Russia imprisoning all critics of the war? Even calling it a war can get you in trouble.

 

[Ghostse]

Same system, same agencies.

No no completely different my friend. Completely separate. Since by your logic Russia cannot have any Soviet crimes leveled on it, the US government has different leadership. The CIA/DEA/FBI, all have different leaders than during Operation Iraqi Freedom. These are thusly new entities, wholly blameless by your excusing of modern Russia's actions by saying they aren't the USSR.