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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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F: Nazis at least gave us a few great things. What has Russia given the world other than starvations, wars, commie infiltration, and pedo "literature"?
Hey, that's not fair!

There's also a wide body of fiction and nonfiction about how Russia sucks, has sucked, and will suck.

And, for a brief, glorious moment, they gave the world a lot of natural gas.

Any experts on fracking know how long it takes to ramp up an operation from scratch? According to Rachel Maddow, Germany has a lot of frackable gas but they were worried about their own environment so they preferred to buy it from a country with no standards whatsoever.
 

Setarko, a Russian Youtuber in Russia gives a breakdown on mobilisation. Given he's there, he doesn't press some points, like why Dagestan won't send many, not so much that they sent enough already, but they rioted and the governor refused. Apart from that, it seems a reasonable overview of the process.
 
Any experts on fracking know how long it takes to ramp up an operation from scratch?
depends on how tight the local environmental regulations are
some places you can just get a govt permit and start setting up operations, other places require you to pay for geological surveys and have experts compile reports on how your project is (not) going to impact the soil and water around the area, all before you are allowed to do anything

knowing how germany is with bureaucracy and regulations, it's not gonna be quick at all

F: Nazis at least gave us a few great things. What has Russia given the world other than starvations, wars, commie infiltration, and pedo "literature"?
lots of great and fundamental contributions to the sciences by men such as mendeleyev, kolmogorov, markov, chebyshev, etc
 
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~500 people, drafted Russians. Dropped god knows where WITH WEAPONS (though had to look for the ammo themselves), complaining about, well... everything.
Had to feed themselves, were kept in terrible conditions, a lot of them are sick and not even fit for service etc. Issued weapons are not even registered on them, which is a serious violation.

This is a recipe for fun times.

This is really nice to see, they did the right thing. I hope for their own good that they didn't do anything beforehand that would warrant a bullet to the head.
Looks professional.
"First man gets rifle! Second man gets bullets. When first man gets shot second man picks up rifle and loads bullets"

Russia! Why change a classic formula?
 
A thing we need to remember is that vatniks, at least the ones on the Western side, don't even care about Nazis. Hell, most of them even like them.

The only reason they're cheering on Russia is because they hate wokism/globohomo/gays/trannies/liberals/minorities/immigrants/etc, and would literally rather throw away how good they have it, and how good everyone else has it just so they don't have to put up with people that are different from them anymore.

Make no mistake, these people genuinely think they have it terrible here, and everyone hates them because they're white/hetero/cis/conservative/male/etc, when in reality it's because they're incredibly spoiled, stupid, and spiteful, and openly boast about betraying their country to join a far worse one where they, and everyone else will be treated like shit, but at least the classes they hate will be treated worse.

It's literally a bucket of crabs mentality. Why should you be happy if I'm not happy? A mentality that fits both vatniks, and a good chunk of actual Russians perfectly if the latter's graffiti demanding to know what gives Ukrainians the right to live so nicely is anything go by.
F: Nazis at least gave us a few great things. What has Russia given the world other than starvations, wars, commie infiltration, and pedo "literature"?
Hey now, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, and Solzhenitsyn actually gave us good stuff. In fact, I'd argue that literature is the only good thing Russia has ever given the world.

Well, that, and fun Bond villains, and cool accents.
 
Jesus Christ. Well, maggots can help with necrotizing flesh I guess... That arm looks almost like that of a corpse.
Any medics here? I'm not a professional, but this kinda looks bad.

Yeah, that arm looks badly infected, at the very least. The fingers are bloated and the arm seems numb or stiff. I dunno what that black shit is, if it's some sort of dirt, or... what.

And there's no excuse, that wound is nasty, but it doesn't look like it even had basic first aid done to it.
 
Jesus Christ. Well, maggots can help with necrotizing flesh I guess... That arm looks almost like that of a corpse.
Any medics here? I'm not a professional, but this kinda looks bad.
An arm with severe trauma (like bullet/shrapnel or fracture) will almost immediately become very inflamed (hence the bloated appearance which is very common). Severe inflammation can cause compartment syndrome and loss of blood to various tissues, leading to necrosis. Getting worms seems rather unlikely tbh, but if you had to hide in some hole in a forest, with dirt and rain and insects, yeah, it's possible. It's impossible to say if it'll lead to amputation without a close inspection to see if there's blood flow and nerves are working, fingers can be moved and the sort.
What will likely happen is that he'll just get in surgery immediately as he is in a town and they'll see what they can salvage. An amputation would be probably just below the shoulder-humerus joint, maybe. All depends on how healthy the tissues.
Worth an hour or two of surgery with just local nerve block anesthesia, overall prognosis good👍
 
Getting worms seems rather unlikely tbh, but if you had to hide in some hole in a forest, with dirt and rain and insects, yeah, it's possible.
From what we've seen, many soldiers are squatting in a trench without a proper place to throw their trash or flush their shit. The sanitary conditions in their camp are probably worse than you'd expect even from a forest. Plus it's mud season, which makes everything worse.
Hoping for a miracle here. Looking for every reason not to abandon my home and everything I've ever known. I wanted a simple life, never bothered anyone and expected only that much from others. So much for that.
These are hard times, and I guess it's time to be strong so the times are good again.
Russia in a nutshell tbh
 
Hey now, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, and Solzhenitsyn actually gave us good stuff. In fact, I'd argue that literature is the only good thing Russia has ever given the world.

Well, that, and fun Bond villains, and cool accents.
Obviously I was being hyperbolic. A Day In The Life of Ivan Denisovich was pretty good. Gogol fuckin sucks though, can't believe I wasted my time with his dreck.
 
Jesus Christ. Well, maggots can help with necrotizing flesh I guess... That arm looks almost like that of a corpse.
Any medics here? I'm not a professional, but this kinda looks bad.
I doubt they put them there to help restore blood flow nigga (which is what they use medical maggots for)
It's bad but the maggots could also be stopping him going into shock
Arms gotta go to
Rip
 

When even the biden admin is saying its ukraine that assassinated daria dugina thats not a good look for ukraine. and the US is right, the last thing either side needs is a tit for tat assassination situation. Somebody will fuck up with that before long and next thing you know a school bus full of kids gets droned and causes a serious international incident. If anything that works in russias favor as the US and NATO can't put themselves in a situation where they're tacitly approving such things and supplying them to do it. Thats how accusations of major war crimes start getting thrown around and pressure to stop supplying ukraine starts building
 
When even the biden admin is saying its ukraine that assassinated daria dugina thats not a good look for ukraine. and the US is right, the last thing either side needs is a tit for tat assassination situation.
Well supposedly they've already tried a dozen or so times to take out Zelenskyy.

If Ukraine is the guilty party, the assassination does seem ill-advised, but I can't take seriously the pearl-clutching over how dare Ukraine kill a single citizen on Russia's soil while Russia has killed tens of thousands in Ukraine.
 
Well supposedly they've already tried a dozen or so times to take out Zelenskyy.

If Ukraine is the guilty party, the assassination does seem ill-advised, but I can't take seriously the pearl-clutching over how dare Ukraine kill a single citizen on Russia's soil while Russia has killed tens of thousands in Ukraine.
Its not pearl clutching. Civilians die in war all the time, many in less than legal or ethical manners, but there is a big difference between that and getting outed for doing targeted assassinations against specific civilian targets. Killing zelensky is a grey area as he is the leader of the country and a big part of the war effort. Killing some random civilian woman is a bad look and can provoke bad things as a result. Now she was clearly not the intended target, but that gets lost pretty fast if people start calling for revenge. Theres a good reason why shit got so bad for the hells angels in quebec when that one idiot blew a kid up instead of his intended target back in the day. Everybody lost their shit over that, including the angels themselves

My point is this kind of thing is something to be avoided because it never ends well for anybody. Better to avoid deliberately targeting specific civilians entirely
 
Its not pearl clutching. Civilians die in war all the time, many in less than legal or ethical manners, but there is a big difference between that and getting outed for doing targeted assassinations against specific civilian targets. Killing zelensky is a grey area as he is the leader of the country and a big part of the war effort.
Sure, and I'm not really disagreeing. It's similar to the difference between terrorism and military action, which can also be blurred (and can also be challenged as arbitrary). But it does seem that Russian indignation is less about the manner of the killing than that their territory was violated. And while I think actions like this are unwise, I am also not completely unhappy to see the fight being taken into Russia.

The actual target was likely Dugin himself. I'd say that is also a grey area.

As for revenge, what would that be? Russia is already blowing up populated malls and apartment buildings. As for specific individuals, I seriously doubt there was anyone Russia had ever considered off-limits.
 
Its not pearl clutching. Civilians die in war all the time, many in less than legal or ethical manners, but there is a big difference between that and getting outed for doing targeted assassinations against specific civilian targets. Killing zelensky is a grey area as he is the leader of the country and a big part of the war effort. Killing some random civilian woman is a bad look and can provoke bad things as a result. Now she was clearly not the intended target, but that gets lost pretty fast if people start calling for revenge. Theres a good reason why shit got so bad for the hells angels in quebec when that one idiot blew a kid up instead of his intended target back in the day. Everybody lost their shit over that, including the angels themselves

My point is this kind of thing is something to be avoided because it never ends well for anybody. Better to avoid deliberately targeting specific civilians entirely
I honestly don't see what the big deal is. Considering everything else that happened, this barely registers on my radar.
 
Would think the US is pointing out it was Ukraine behind the assassination attempt to act as a major hint that the US doesn't want attacks within Russia which could scare Putin into nuking something.

But then it seemed like a lot of Russians were treating the whole conflict as no big deal before mobilization, so attempts to drive home to Russians that this is an actual war seem at least understandable.
 
Remember Russia can arty and airstrike Ukraine all day long anywhere their guns will reach, but Ukraine can't attack outside of the 2014 borders or risk Russia saying Ukraine has escalated things to total war.
But Ukraine has already launched attacks, including missile strikes, drone strikes, manned aircraft strikes and SOF raids into both Crimea and Russia proper.

Like they have already leveled an airbase in Crimea.
 
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