Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

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When the two sides probed, they were smart enough to either leave it in the Third World, or use proxies rather than get directly involved.

U.S. didn't start funneling guns and money into Hungary and Czechoslovakia when those places flared up in 56 and 68.

And then the US said fuck that and went in on a conspiracy with the Vatican to smuggle money to Solidarity, and the gopniks got btfo in Poland lmao

 

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When the two sides probed, they were smart enough to either leave it in the Third World, or use proxies rather than get directly involved.

U.S. didn't start funneling guns and money into Hungary and Czechoslovakia when those places flared up in 56 and 68.

The Soviet Union funneled advanced SAM systems into North Vietnam.

 

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The Soviet Union funneled advanced SAM systems into North Vietnam.

Like I said - smart enough to leave it in the Third World.

 

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Putin will pay for this

That's what they said about Assad and pretty much Saudi Arabia's king won't pay for starving and bombing a whole country (with American weapons) because of oil.

Then Ukraine is smarter than Russia, because they went and bought Aliexpress drones.
Holy shit, imagine paying Iran the big bucks for loitering munitions while Ukraine probably just straps radar reflectors to the cheapest piece of garbage that can fly.
Also, Ukraine will get Western AA to replenish theirs. Does this plan sound like Russia is acomplishing something?

The experienced soldiers are done. They've been fighting for 7 months with no rotation and taken massive casualties.
The initial invasion force took massive losses.
They plugged the gaps with instructors and troops from other bases. They took losses.
They gangpressed the Donbabweans and Lugandans. Those took pretty bad losses.
They called the reservists to form the BARS units, they called SOBR, etc. More losses.
There's a reason why 300k were mobilized. They ran out of fucking manpower. They're taking sailors and troops from the strategic rocket forces. They wouldn't be doing this if the "experienced soldiers" were just waiting on reinforcements.
And by the way, the experienced troops are trapped in fucking Kherson. They can't run away and can't be reinforced. Again, does this sound like a plan? They're gonna deliver the troops by helicopter? By parachute? Can't wait for the VEH DEH VEH meme to come back.

Part of warfighting is creating advantages like "manpower" and "supplies".
Russia can beat Ukrainians when they have the advantage? Groundbreaking. You better write that down. Maybe publish a book. I'm thinking "the art of war" as a title but we can workshop that better down the line.

All men in Russia can be called reservists because there's a year of mandatory service. Unless a country has a system to mobilize such people (Russia doesn't, as evidenced by the mess they've done) and regularly give them refreshers, they are civilians. Conscription is known in Russia as a wasted year as they don't actually do useful training.

The Cold War was a bunch of intrusions into spheres of influence.
I don't think they recognized that.

The Ukrainian 280k professional army took enormous losses as well but you can't deny that the war took a 180 degree turn when they called for conscripts and now those same conscripts are now experienced fighters thanks to experience in the field and the instruction given by the remaining professional soldiers. It's not difficult to imagine that Russian conscripts and volunteers will also pass through this same process.

Also, this thread has pretty much conceived this notion that Russian troops (when in force) cannot defeat Ukre troops and that misconception is ridiculous.

 

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Like I said - smart enough to leave it in the Third World.

Like when the KGB funded every anti-West movement in Europe and North America for over 50 years, including giving guns to groups like the Red Army Faction?

 

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Like when the KGB funded every anti-West movement in Europe and North America for over 50 years, including giving guns to groups like the Red Army Faction?

Glownigger ops is a bit different from out and out direct military combat.

And again - both sides were still smart enough to at least try to put up a pretense of one degree of separation. KGB outsourced to the East Germans for RAF bullshit, and we outsourced to the ISI and Saudis for arming up the Mujaheddin, even though ultimately everyone knew who was really behind the guns and money.

 

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When the two sides probed, they were smart enough to either leave it in the Third World, or use proxies rather than get directly involved.

U.S. didn't start funneling guns and money into Hungary and Czechoslovakia when those places flared up in 56 and 68.

MiGs flown by Soviets were shooting down US aircraft in Korea. Sure it was non official, but there where times in the Cold War were Soviets were killing Americans and Americans were killing Soviets on the battlefield.

 

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MiGs flown by Soviets were shooting down US aircraft in Korea. Sure it was non official, but there where times in the Cold War were Soviets were killing Americans and Americans were killing Soviets on the battlefield.

And it was immediately after Korea that both sides generally realized that even that was pretty damn dangerous, and so from then on generally went the route of proxy fighters, conflicts in the Third World, and cloak and dagger spy shit.

 

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Honestly that Russian kid should be counting his blessings about there being maggots in that wound. They are eating all the necrotizing flesh. It's probably going to save his arm. Probably hurts and itches like a mother fucker though.

Also, it has to be pointed out. All the footage coming out showing the Russian Troops vs. The Ukrainian Troops. It really can't all be just a psyop at this point. The Russian Army looks like the very dregs of their society and when you see them right next to the Ukrainians the difference is really striking.

I am sure some of it is probably deliberate propaganda framing, but it can't be ALL of it...

Well, you memoryholed the fact that Ukres also recruits from prisons, where do you think all the soldiers with Nazi simbols come from?

 

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Glownigger ops is a bit different from out and out direct military combat.

And again - both sides were still smart enough to at least try to put up a pretense of one degree of separation. KGB outsourced to the East Germans for RAF bullshit, and we outsourced to the ISI and Saudis for arming up the Mujaheddin, even though ultimately everyone knew who was really behind the guns and money.

What direct military combat is taking place between Russia and the United States?

You just don't know what you're talking about. Russia did in Korea and Vietnam exactly what the US is doing in Ukraine and even more

Again, vatnigger: we aren't stopping. You want us to stop, try and make us. Fuck around and find out. We have no reason to stop unless we wish to humor your seething. We don't

 

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The Ukrainian 280k professional army took enormous losses as well but you can't deny that the war took a 180 degree turn when they called for conscripts and now those same conscripts are now experienced fighters thanks to experience in the field and the instruction given by the remaining professional soldiers.

This is inherently a flawed argument.
The Ukrainian professional army was boosted by "official" Territorial Defense Forces and "unofficial" groups that conducted partisan activity as it was difficult to establish a properly networked command & control.
The professional army produced casualties on the Russian side by attacking convoys and taking advantage of the mad rushes with little support. They easily ran out of fuel and ammunition, and found themselves in a near 360 degree encirclement with their rear security and logistics troops getting bogged down and targeted by hit and run attacks. That's why you saw columns of burning vehicles, Russian bodies laying across the street. The Ukrainians took the most casualties in relentless artillery pounding. That was when the frontlines were starting to stabilize and the Russians could bring the firepower to bear. The problem being that the Ukrainians had the defensive advantage so the Russians had to grind themselves against Ukrainian defenses. Russia wasted a lot of its best troops assaulting positions manned by TDF.

Well, you memoryholed the fact that Ukres also recruits from prisons, where do you think all the soldiers with Nazi simbols come from?

They released a few prisoners who had military experience and found the release to be justifiable considering that they were being fucking invaded. They didn't "recruit" from prisons. Meanwhile Prigozhin is recruiting randos who don't need to have military experience, and they're also not being invaded. They should not be desperate. Yet they are as if the Ukrainians are about to march into the Red Square.
Nazi symbols isn't a prison thing, it's just a Nazi thing. They like wearing them, both in the Ukrainian and Russian side.

And it was immediately after Korea that both sides generally realized that even that was pretty damn dangerous, and so from then on generally went the route of proxy fighters, conflicts in the Third World, and cloak and dagger spy shit.

They not realize it was dangerous because the Soviets admitted that Soviet SAM operators shot down American aircraft in the late 80s.

 

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When the two sides probed, they were smart enough to either leave it in the Third World, or use proxies rather than get directly involved.

U.S. didn't start funneling guns and money into Hungary and Czechoslovakia when those places flared up in 56 and 68.

Hungary and Czechoslovakia also got fucking rolled in 56 and 68. Ukraine actually managed to stop the Russian Invasion. US and EU weapons support didn't really kick in hard until after Russia pretty decisively lost the Battle of Kiev.

 

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What direct military combat is taking place between Russia and the United States?

None at the moment, fortunately, though with Liz Truss saying the UK has "boots on the ground" in Ukraine who knows how long that's going to last or what kind of idiotic ideas the glowniggers are whispering into our leaders' ears.

You just don't know what you're talking about. Russia did in Korea and Vietnam exactly what the US is doing in Ukraine and even more

Neither or which were directly in the U.S.'s sphere of influence much less directly on the U.S.'s borders. In fact, the one time the Kremlin was stupid enough to actually really escalate and intrude into the U.S.'s territorial sphere of influence was when they got the bright idea to place nukes in Cuba - a nation that had active historical grievances with and was loudly saber rattling with the U.S. government and was literally on our front doorstep. This led to a little incident you may have heard of called the Cuban Missile Crisis, but fortunately cooler heads prevailed otherwise we wouldn't be here discussing this.

Again, vatnigger: we aren't stopping. You want us to stop, try and make us. Fuck around and find out. We have no reason to stop unless we wish to humor your seething. We don't

I fucking love how one has to be a "vatnigger" to think that us continuing to push for this war to continue and continue these dumb empire building games in Eastern Europe is fucking foolish.

 

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This is inherently a flawed argument.
The Ukrainian professional army was boosted by "official" Territorial Defense Forces and "unofficial" groups that conducted partisan activity as it was difficult to establish a properly networked command & control.
The professional army produced casualties on the Russian side by attacking convoys and taking advantage of the mad rushes with little support. They easily ran out of fuel and ammunition, and found themselves in a near 360 degree encirclement with their rear security and logistics troops getting bogged down and targeted by hit and run attacks. That's why you saw columns of burning vehicles, Russian bodies laying across the street. The Ukrainians took the most casualties in relentless artillery pounding. That was when the frontlines were starting to stabilize and the Russians could bring the firepower to bear. The problem being that the Ukrainians had the defensive advantage so the Russians had to grind themselves against Ukrainian defenses. Russia wasted a lot of its best troops assaulting positions manned by TDF.

They released a few prisoners who had military experience and found the release to be justifiable considering that they were being fucking invaded. They didn't "recruit" from prisons. Meanwhile Prigozhin is recruiting randos who don't need to have military experience, and they're also not being invaded. They should not be desperate. Yet they are as if the Ukrainians are about to march into the Red Square.
Nazi symbols isn't a prison thing, it's just a Nazi thing. They like wearing them, both in the Ukrainian and Russian side.

TDF units in those first months were, as you guessed it, conscripts, and I need to remind you that LPR /DNR and Wagner troops were doing most of the fighting in Severodonetsk-Lisichansk as well as in the Bakhmut/Donetsk sectors and the only RUAF prescense in Donbass was in the Izyum sector.

Most of the Russian army went to Zaporozhye and Kherson to defend or to simply do nothing (lmao)

 

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None at the moment, fortunately, though with Liz Truss saying the UK has "boots on the ground" in Ukraine who knows how long that's going to last or what kind of idiotic ideas the glowniggers are whispering into our leaders' ears.

Neither or which were directly in the U.S.'s sphere of influence much less directly on the U.S.'s borders. In fact, the one time the Kremlin was stupid enough to actually really escalate and intrude into the U.S.'s territorial sphere of influence was when they got the bright idea to place nukes in Cuba - a nation that had active historical grievances with and was loudly saber rattling with the U.S. government and was literally on our front doorstep. This led to a little incident you may have heard of called the Cuban Missile Crisis, but fortunately cooler heads prevailed otherwise we wouldn't be here discussing this.

I fucking love how one has to be a "vatnigger" to think that us continuing to push for this war to continue and continue these dumb empire building games in Eastern Europe is fucking foolish.

And yet there is example after example of both sides giving no shits about the other side's spheres of influence and yes even borders

Concern trolling to the benefit of the retarded monkey in Moscow is being a vatnigger

 

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TDF units in those first months were, as you guessed it, conscripts, and I need to remind you that LPR /DNR and Wagner troops were doing most of the fighting in Severodonetsk-Lisichansk as well as in the Bakhmut/Donetsk sectors and the only RUAF prescense in Donbass was in the Izyum sector.

Most of the Russian army went to Zaporozhye and Kherson to defend or to simply do nothing (lmao)

Except for the large number of VDV and regular troops that rushed to Kiev in one of the most boneheaded, uncoordinated, and haphazard zerg rushes I think anyone has ever seen.

 

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Unsupported, these Russian units are going to be pretty worthless. Bypassing and enveloping isolated static positions of infantry that lack mobility effectively defeats them. Without leadership, training, comms and transport they wouldn't be able to effectively respond.

Russia has also lost a lot of pilots, who are basically impossible to replace without extensive training and qualified candidates. Aeroflot better keep an eye open.

 

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Except for the large number of VDV and regular troops that rushed to Kiev in one of the most boneheaded, uncoordinated, and haphazard zerg rushes I think anyone has ever seen.

I was referring to the "second phase" period after the mad rush to kiev.

 

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Except for the large number of VDV and regular troops that rushed to Kiev in one of the most boneheaded, uncoordinated, and haphazard zerg rushes I think anyone has ever seen.

The 2022 Battle of Kiev will be studied for the next thousand years as a textbook example of what happens when an attacking army fails to consider Logistical requirements.

 

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The 2022 Battle of Kiev will be studied for the next thousand years as a textbook example of what happens when an attacking army fails to consider Logistical requirements.

Definitely, this entire war will be studied for generations. This is the first conventional war fought between two comparable, modern forces on a total war scale. Considering the last one somewhat comparable was Korea there will be a lot of knowledge gained by both sides.

One thing I've wondered about in hindsight is if the plan was for Belarus to enter the war at the same time, invading alongside the Russian forces from its territory.