Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

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This is becoming a habit with the Ukrainians, Have they always been ungrateful and bit the hand that feeds them, or is this mostly on the clown Zelenssky?
It's a common characteristic of post-USSR meme states like it who's entire infrastructure was constructed in the period from 1945 to 1989 and have done nothing but melt away both industrially and population-wise since their independence but still think it's everyone else who fucked them.
 
Belgium spent more than a year without a government for a similar reason, but nobody has ever questioned their electoral system. Well, not more than usual at any rate.

Just a thought.
Government's spent nearly the past year utterly unable to elect a new president, modify anything politically or economically, and dozens of parliament members have been resigning. Oddly enough, I can't for the life of me figure out how it could be so bad since the UN said the elections were conducted freely and fairly.
Not sure what style systems those folks are using , but if it’s even remotely similar to what the US does, get ready for calls for that shit to be removed. And for it to be talked about in Ukraine or Russia.
 
All kidding aside, the Starlink thing is 99% just a technical fuck-up. The US didn't give Elon that much money so he could turn off their proxy army's main intel/comm tool on a whim. It'll be back in order before long if it isn't already.

Well, its either a fuckup, starlink not being active in occupied areas ( Ukraine unofficially advancing too fast for Starlink to recognize Ukraine controlled territory and RU controller territory ) or a short term temper tantrum from Elon

If he cancels it long term, that would be catastrophical for him. ALOT of his customers are pro-Ukraine or anti-Russian


OR THE WEIRD LIGHT BEAMS IN RUSSIAN TOWNS ACTUALLY WERE PARTS OF A RUSSIAN SUPER WEAPON THAT TOOK DOWN ALL THE STARLINK SATELITES
 
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> tell me you didn't read the article without telling me you didn't read the article

It quotes Bloomberg, gigabrain.
Town in Poland known for being covered in smog continues to be covered in smog.
Groundbreaking journalism.
This is becoming a habit with the Ukrainians, Have they always been ungrateful and bit the hand that feeds them, or is this mostly on the clown Zelenssky?
Musk essentially told Ukrainians to stop fighting, accept the referendum held in areas that have had the inhabitants displaced by war, and gift Putin what he wanted anyway.
I don't know if every time I come to the internet I cross into an alternative dimension, but telling a country that all the dead and maimed fought for nothing and Ukraine should just accept defeat when they're winning because you're a "genius billionaire" is the ultimate ivory tower out-of-touch statement.
If he cancels it long term, that would be catastrophical for him. ALOT of his customers are pro-Ukraine or anti-Russian
SpaceX also gets a bunch of gubmint money.
If he actually cut Starlink in Ukraine he's either off the rocker or pulling a stunt he can blame on something to not lose the contracts.
 
Town in Poland known for being covered in smog continues to be covered in smog.
Groundbreaking journalism.

Musk essentially told Ukrainians to stop fighting, accept the referendum held in areas that have had the inhabitants displaced by war, and gift Putin what he wanted anyway.
I don't know if every time I come to the internet I cross into an alternative dimension, but telling a country that all the dead and maimed fought for nothing and Ukraine should just accept defeat when they're winning because you're a "genius billionaire" is the ultimate ivory tower out-of-touch statement.

SpaceX also gets a bunch of gubmint money.
If he actually cut Starlink in Ukraine he's either off the rocker or pulling a stunt he can blame on something to not lose the contracts.
> Ukraine winning
lmao

So far they won minus four regions and are very close to winning a bonus prize of a tactical nuke strike, and NATO is not going to do shit about it. Why would Elon back a bunch of sore losers who shat on him even though he risked his company and reputation for them? Now that it's clear that the US instigated this war with the purpose of destroying European industry, it directly affects his bottom line.
 
Belgium spent more than a year without a government for a similar reason, but nobody has ever questioned their electoral system. Well, not more than usual at any rate.

Just a thought.
That is a very fair point. That being said, it should be noted that while they spent the longest time without a formed government, the runner-up to that title was Cambodia, and it also had a great number of oddities and eventual concessions that both differentiate it from Iraq and show a few benefits of how having a separate authority figure appointed in a different process can be for a government. Namely, those are the repeated denials from the King of Belgium to accept resignations, telling them to try working on it for a while longer first, and the dissolution of direct election of senators by voters (and the utterly retarded nuclear-phaseout agreement, but that's not relevant to electoral structure). Belgium also didn't have the largest coalition's supporters storm governmental buildings, despite it more or less being entirely as a result of Flemish and Wallonian tensions boiling over politically.

I suppose what I'm getting at is that the Belgian crisis involved significantly less civil unrest and assassination attempts during its resolution and a lot more legislative exasperation instead. It's a very interesting case study and a nice mental exercise to compare the two, though.
 
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> Ukraine winning
lmao

So far they won minus four regions and are very close to winning a bonus prize of a tactical nuke strike, and NATO is not going to do shit about it. Why would Elon back a bunch of sore losers who shat on him even though he risked his company and reputation for them? Now that it's clear that the US instigated this war with the purpose of destroying European industry, it directly affects his bottom line.


Well, the trend these last few months have been filled with russian retreats and Ukrainian gains, while also getting more equipment and veteran/motivated soldiers

Its all relative
 
The Russian drones are really lackluster, for example Orlan-10 footage is blurry as hell.
Just a note: When comparing drone footage, you should always be aware whether you're watching a physically recovered full quality file from on-board storage, or something recorded from the live video transmission. If Orlan-10 has blurry footage in both, it's probably down to not having a good (or any) mechanical autofocus.
 
Why would Elon back a bunch of sore losers who shat on him
Why would Elon shit on Ukraine by telling them to give everything Putin wants?
even though he risked his company and reputation for them?
How do you risk a company and reputation for backing the current thing? It's literally the opposite of getting cancelled if you support Ukraine. Are you out of your damned mind or just pretending to be retarded?
Just a note: When comparing drone footage, you should always be aware whether you're watching a physically recovered full quality file from on-board storage, or something recorded from the live video transmission. If Orlan-10 has blurry footage in both, it's probably down to not having a good (or any) mechanical autofocus.
I don't know much about photography/video. All I know is that Orlan-10s have consumer grade Canon cameras as their optics.
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For the purposes of the conversation, targeting has to be done through live transmission while recon could be done by recovering the video file from the storage. When firing shells the time sensitive nature of the spotting and correction requires it to be done through live feed so if that's where the bottleneck is, no amount of improvement on the drone could fix it until the video streaming capabilities is enhanced.
 
Well, the trend these last few months have been filled with russian retreats and Ukrainian gains, while also getting more equipment and veteran/motivated soldiers

Its all relative
It's all relative but there's no scenario in which Ukraine can win this war, short of aliens invading and making all nuclear weapons on the planet suddenly disappear. Best case scenario is for Ukraine to surrender right now, and avoid the most bloodshed. Americans will have to pay reparations to Europe and Russia to rebuild the Nordstream pipeline, of course.
 
Why would Elon shit on Ukraine by telling them to give everything Putin wants?
Why not? Fuck Ukraine, lol.

How do you risk a company and reputation for backing the current thing? It's literally the opposite of getting cancelled if you support Ukraine. Are you out of your damned mind or just pretending to be retarded?
He came very close to displeasing the Chinese owners of America, in case you weren't aware.
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Yeah, I'm leaning towards stunt for more federal gibs. Elon's bankrolling the hohol intel war effort at a loss and the insufferable twitter diaspora has made him ask for more cash.
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...and here we see another typical characteristic of the Ukrainian. They don't pay their bills in time.
 
It's all relative but there's no scenario in which Ukraine can win this war
There is. Northern offensive will cause the collapse of Luhansk. The best Russian troops are in Kherson and their choices are surrendering or fighting until the supplies run out, after which they get massacred. A third offensive through Zaporizhzhia would knock down the rest of the frontline like dominoes.
He came very close to displeasing the Chinese owners of America, in case you weren't aware.
He lost the Chinese market, where the CCP doesn't want him anyway because Starlink would bypass The Great Firewall.
It's truly over, Elonbros.
 
Yeah, I'm leaning towards stunt for more federal gibs. Elon's bankrolling the hohol intel war effort at a loss and the insufferable twitter diaspora has made him ask for more cash.
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I suspect both Elon and Grandpa Joe made promises to each other; StarLink may have fallen short in some way, causing Joe to renege and, coupled with finding out that the Elbonians are exactly who we thought they were, Elon's gotten a bit miffed.

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...and here we see another typical characteristic of the Ukrainian. They don't pay their bills in time.
To be fair, it's not like the have an almost thirty year history of defaulting on oil/gas deals they made with Gazprom or stealing transit gas meant for the EU, or anything. /sarc

And, hey, they're such honest and upright folks, yesno?
 
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It's all relative but there's no scenario in which Ukraine can win this war, short of aliens invading and making all nuclear weapons on the planet suddenly disappear. Best case scenario is for Ukraine to surrender right now, and avoid the most bloodshed. Americans will have to pay reparations to Europe and Russia to rebuild the Nordstream pipeline, of course.

There's alot of scenarios, but i think the scenario of Ukraine kicking the Russians out is quite realistic.

As long as no nukes are involved ofc, thats the equivalent of throwing the chess board on the floor
 
Just as a complete aside, the whole "just buy russian gas bro" meme is a category error when assessing the problems in Europe. Reliance on Russian gas is the result of decades of mismanagement by the state, coupled with poor thinking by the people, who believed the lies that they could switch to unreliable "renewable" energy sources and yet maintain their current, post-industrial western economies and lifestyles indefinitely. Western Europe in general, and Germany in particular, came to rely on Russian gas because they were using it as an unacknowledged prop for their irrational dreams of a sun-powered future; a future where nuclear power was verboten, where the extraction and use of local energy sources was tantamount to heresy, and where everyone lived in a fantasy world of magical, limitless energy out of unicorn farts and magic mirrors.

Europe needs to correct. It needs to be reminded of what energy poverty feels like. It needs to be weaned from the illusion that it can eat its green energy cake and still have it in the form of gas from foreign lands. As long as the west was reliant on Russian gas in particular, and external energy sources in general, it was vulnerable to the sort of manipulation that Russia regularly engaged in, as a branch of its foreign policy goals. You should be glad that the EU is forcing itself off Russian gas and forcing itself into a winter of cold and shortage; "we" need to remember this, to rediscover how to be self-reliant again.
 
There is. Northern offensive will cause the collapse of Luhansk. The best Russian troops are in Kherson and their choices are surrendering or fighting until the supplies run out, after which they get massacred. A third offensive through Zaporizhzhia would knock down the rest of the frontline like dominoes.
...then a series of tactical nukes turn all the Ukrainian troops and NATO mercenaries to ashes. A strong wind blows them into Poland. NATO sends their condolences. Game over, would you like to try again?

There's alot of scenarios, but i think the scenario of Ukraine kicking the Russians out is quite realistic.

As long as no nukes are involved ofc, thats the equivalent of throwing the chess board on the floor
Both the US side and the Russian side have clearly indicated that nukes are very much on the table, so I don't see why people are like "oh it will never happen."
 
I don't know much about photography/video. All I know is that Orlan-10s have consumer grade Canon cameras as their optics.
Such cameras tend to have great image sensors, so the question is what lens they're using and if they have a good system for adjusting it's zoom and focus. (and for dropping bombs/guiding artillery, what you alluded to later with the wireless transmission power and quality).
 
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