Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

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Despite owning a vast swath of fossil fuel reserves, the Russian government plans to increase incinerator output to cover its own energy shortfalls:

That's just a way to recycle dead NATO mercs. Lots of calories in the American ones.
 
That's just a way to recycle dead NATO mercs. Lots of calories in the American ones.

Right, because much of Russia's own fuel extraction infrastructure is crumbling due to lack of maintenance and inability to purchase replacement parts.

If Russia's infrastructure shuts off due to poor maintenance, then it will need another bailout from the West, like it got in the 90's, to get it running again. Or from China, which I think Putin is more willing to accept due to the Chinaman's smaller penis not tearing his anus quite as roughly.
 
Despite owning a vast swath of fossil fuel reserves, the Russian government plans to increase incinerator output to cover its own energy shortfalls:

A lot of their industrial and energy infrastructure will continue to break down because Russia is dependent upon the West for the parts, technology and expertise. I don't even know how many industries they could support domestically given the state of their manufacturing sector.

These sanctions are really starting to hurt and will only keep getting worse as this drags on. It's really shocking how poorly conceived this war was, there are so many critical variables Russia simply didn't consider. I think Putin was simply arrogant and screwed up.
 
@Mr E. Grifter

Will answer only the unique parts since things like troop numbers and morale in general we've already exhausted before the autistic online slap fight range where we repeat ourselves at each other until one side quits out of boredom.

The Taliban and Afghanistan examples are entirely off-base. Not only because this isn't any form of guerilla war or because of the numbers involved, but because the core point about being able to fade into a civilian population that hates you is flatly wrong. There's no hostile guerilla force going on behind Russian lines that isn't effectively meaningless. No resistance to 'occupation'. The Russian front at Kharkov didn't collapse because of an ungovernable populace that refused to cooperate but because there was next to no one there. In Novorossiya the population is at best apathetic like all the people they quizzed in Izyum, at worst actively in support of them. This is known to the Ukrainians themselves which is why there's dozens of telegrams dedicated to finding traitors to be dealt with and reprisal attacks against 'collaborators' the second they come in. This isn't the US in desert shithole #46 where you and the population have nothing in common and you can only hold them by force, you have a similar population to work with. This is closer to a civil war than anything else. This means that if there's a stable frontline, if it bends it'll be because of outside pressure, not internal collapse. If you've an apathetic populace what matters is if you can hold the line, which even you admit can be achieved with a reservist or conscript force.
You aren't really addressing what I was saying here, this is a strange tangent - but I will address it by fleshing out my point more, My comparison with the Taliban and guerilla warfare was that poorly trained and equipped soldiers in those circumstances are far harder to pin down and destroy because they can use the human environment to disguise themselves, or hide amongst the wider population. They can use local knowledge and resources to their advantage. The Russian conscripts would have none of that which can give some advantages to guerilla style fighters, because the local population fucking hates them.

You can see that this idea that in "novorossiya" (which doesn't exist, it's called Ukraine) people are apathetic is just untrue. There are active resistance movements, and you can see in the areas where people ended up trapped instead of leaving that they are clearly very thankful for Ukraine arriving. It's just a nonsense to say this is a civil war.

A man with a broom can hold the line, it just depends what enemies they are coming up against - based on information about the equipment, training, logistics and leadership available to Russian conscripts I do not believe they can hold the line unsupported. I do not believe the Russian forces that are currently in Ukraine could properly support those conscripts.
The use of a quickly trained force to plug gaps and hold territory is how the Ukraine managed to stabilize past July. Taking everything said about the Russian supply situation as wrote, the arguing over which'd again just get us into pseud numbers games based on my or your cherrypicked articles, we're again put in the same situation. Russia doesn't need to produce overwhelming amounts nor to achieve peak logistical abilities. What they need to do is overperform a state that has essentially no production to speak of and allies that also have significantly less production than Russia by orders of magnitude and unlike Russia don't have an existential incentive to pour these resources in. The one exception is the US which has an overwhelming advantage, but slow production and has given no indication of a coming ramp-up in manufacturing, not even in word. Russia doesn't have to supply people from across the world, it needs to supply directly across its borders in a state to be soon of military footing in such a situation where unlike with Ukraine, none of its manufacturing or inland logistical sites are at risk of any kind of plausible attack.
The idea Russia has better production capacity than the West minus the US is laughable. It's just wrong, it's not even an argument. Again, Russian industry for even consumer grade vehicles that rely on basic electronics are on their arse - the idea they are somehow maintaining or ramping up production of military equipment, especially that which is of good quality, is farcical.
Your arguments hinge by and large on there being a meaningful, decisive difference between Ukrainians and Russians in morale, ability and equipment that'd go past the observable economic and demographic factors. The reality is though that Ukrainians are temporarily embarrassed Russians already in a state of a total war with a finite supply of Western equipment and who's ability to wage a long conflict of attrition rests entirely on continued handouts given their 35+% rate of economic downturn over the course of just the first year. Failing total collapse on the homefront leading to a humiliating peace deal or Western military support in the coming years equal to or exceeding what they've sent this year which is physically unlikely, the numbers point only towards eventual Russian victory, the question being how crippled they'll be by the end. Will drop it here to avoid bible-length internet slap fights, but in the short term, we're of the same mind that Russia will continue suffering losses and pushback, and in the mid to long-term the position of either will be born out by the facts.
There is a decisive difference, but it goes deeper than those three factors. However, I will address them:

Moral
In Russia they were offering huge incentives to try and hire people prior to the mobilisation. Massive amounts of rubles, and they still couldn't recruit enough volunteers for the war. Clearly, if people were chomping at the bit to get into the war in Ukraine, why not fight and get paid for it? No, they don't want to go. Now they've been mobilised that is not going to magically change.

Contrast, the TDF in the opening days of the war were taking horrendous casualties and had that many volunteers regardless of their losses sustained that they had to turn people away.

You can try and claim that we don't know if moral is different, but we do. It's clear as day.

Equipment/Supplies -
First off, the supplies of equipment from the West - and we're talking the unsexy stuff like medical equipment, uniforms, boots, helmets, body armour... - were plentiful and now when you see Ukrainians in any sort of frontline role they look well equipped. I mean we talked about the rusted AKs, and sure the one viral PR thing that looked bad got new AKs, but what about the ones that didn't get into the news?
Telling people to bring their own equipment, because they don't have sleeping bags. Bring tampons because we don't have first field dressings. I have seen Russian POWs whose boots are a pair of weird slipper things. If you do not think this basic kit and equipment doesn't make all the difference in field conditions - especially in the winter - I have a news for you. Bashering up in the snow is grim, it's awful, and without proper equipment even a fit man - rather than a conscript - is going to go down just from the environment.
Second, TDF because you know they were initially in the local area and from it - they can be relatively self sufficient in food, in sleep in houses, they know the area they know the people. Their neighbours can give them info, they can hide and lay traps in buildings. Their ability to navigate the human environment would be above and beyond that of any Russian soldier. That's not even getting into the ease of use ATGMs...

Ability:
Ignoring the obvious effects the above would have on your ability to fight, it is clear that your average Russian soldier probably doesn't have a toilet back home. They look like Nazi propaganda cartoons of slavs, or they're not Russian but some sort of Asian. Whereas Ukrainian soldiers are taken from a wide slice of society - and the human capital that is invested into them shows. Militaries aren't just big tough blokes who shoot guns, they need all sorts to work effectively - yet would you trust any of those Russians to look after a pet hamster, or clean a toilet? No. So yes, my determination from that is your average Ukrainian soldiers ability to adapt and outthink the downtrodden chimps they're fighting against is not to be ignored.
Then the rest is just the usual tripe about how the worlds most advanced economies couldn't possibly supply Ukraine for long enough to outcompete Russia a nation that relies on pulling fossil fuels out the ground and selling them, and whose advanced manufacturers are reliant on parts from other nations primarily the West. How you can to that conclusion is beyond me, but I guess when we see this play out and you're completely wrong I can have a chuckle about that too.
 
Right, because much of Russia's own fuel extraction infrastructure is crumbling due to lack of maintenance and inability to purchase replacement parts.

If Russia's infrastructure shuts off due to poor maintenance, then it will need another bailout from the West, like it got in the 90's, to get it running again. Or from China, which I think Putin is more willing to accept due to the Chinaman's smaller penis not tearing his anus quite as roughly.
A lot of their industrial and energy infrastructure will continue to break down because Russia is dependent upon the West for the parts, technology and expertise. I don't even know how many industries they could support domestically given the state of their manufacturing sector.

These sanctions are really starting to hurt and will only keep getting worse as this drags on.
I find this cope hilarious when California, your richest state, can't even keep the lights on for a single week and has been experiencing severe water shortages for what seems like forever.

Not to mention how the entire US civilian and military infrastructure is built on Chinese chips riddled with backdoors, so your CCP overlords can simply turn your lights off or shut down your entire military infrastructure if you get too uppity.

Meanwhile here comes another zrada. Elon Musk turned off Starlink for the khokhols for mouthing off at him.
 
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The occupiers holed up in the ruins and having gay oral sex of Lego land.

Hey!

Build the quadcopter and drop the bomb on their heads!
 
Lol calling Iraq anti-west. I would be anti-west too if my country was invaded by the US twice and twice it was based on lies. First the 15 year old kuwaiti actress and her false testimony in front of congress and then bullshit claims about WMD.

If you support the proxy war in ukraine you are literally an establishment shill like McCain and Lindsey Graham.
I would suppose they'd be worse those neocon faggot warmongers, at least the neocon faggot warmongers are getting something out of it. These weak faggots cheerleading the war, and cheerleading the deaths of russians (or holols) are just weak tiny scumbags.
Russia isn't leaving, and ukraine ain't winning. The west will run out of money/weapons to pour in, and that's the only thing keeping ukraine going at this point. It's gonna be negotiations at some point.
 
So there's a video floating around of a captured American soldier in Ukraine getting urinated on by some Chechens. I dunno, that soldier is nowhere near fat and brown enough to be a real American, so take it with a grain of salt.

> be American
> come to Ukraine
> get pissed on
 

That's some milspec shit right there.

Got news for you, sports fans. One of the dumbest things you can do is send instructors into battle. The instructors are the ones who train people. Their knowledge can be passed on to hundreds, if not thousands of people. When you lose those instructors you are eating your seed corn. Personally, over three years of instruction I trained several hundred USAF officers and civilians. Your drill sergeants will train many, many more people in that time frame. Same with military academic instructors, of all types.
This problem got compounded by their troop use. Prior to the Special Not War Daytrip the Russian army was structured around a core of battle-ready divisions formed of professional soldiers, which in case of war would act as a frontline to repel an attack while the rest of the army mobilizes. Further divisions had a core of 80%, 60%, 40% professional soldiers to be filled up with mobilized troops - the plan was for the core of professional troops to provide on-site training for the green recruits to make the formation battle ready. Those formations would bee ready from just a couple weeks/days to a couple of months.
That plan was slightly altered by sending not only the training cadre, but also those half strength formations into Ukraine to further deplete them. That, coupled with the huge material losses Russia has suffered, will have a bit of an impact on how, when, and if they can get their mobilized men combat ready.
 
So there's a video floating around of a captured American soldier in Ukraine getting urinated on by some Chechens. I dunno, that soldier is nowhere near fat and brown enough to be a real American, so take it with a grain of salt.

> be American
> come to Ukraine
> get pissed on
Did they give him a blowjob afterward?
 
I would suppose they'd be worse those neocon faggot warmongers, at least the neocon faggot warmongers are getting something out of it. These weak faggots cheerleading the war, and cheerleading the deaths of russians (or holols) are just weak tiny scumbags.
Russia isn't leaving, and ukraine ain't winning. The west will run out of money/weapons to pour in, and that's the only thing keeping ukraine going at this point. It's gonna be negotiations at some point.
This faggy proxy war has been fueled by the US establishment crooks since the day of the 2014 euromaidan coup. Loser fag McCain was more successful with his coup in Ukraine than with his trained rebels in Syria.


Good news tho. Putin started painting the Ukes brown so the world stops giving a fuck about them.
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edit: New PL video about the Training Simulation in Kherson

 
There's no hostile guerilla force going on behind Russian lines that isn't effectively meaningless. No resistance to 'occupation'.
Kherson and Melitopol have had tons of partisan activity. The locals report on troop and equipment movements, Russians complain on telegram that they have to check under their cars for bombs and soldiers never walk the streets alone at night because they're afraid of being murdered. The car bombs have killed and wounded heads of the occupation regime which was the reason the referenda were originally postponed. They were supposed to have occured in August.
The resistance is not militarily significant but it is politically. It was a huge morale boost for Ukrainians still living there.
The use of a quickly trained force to plug gaps and hold territory is how the Ukraine managed to stabilize past July.
No, Ukraine used a quickly trained force (sometimes without the training) to hold the line since March. The July stabilization came from the properly trained troops allowing for rotation, and a month of HIMARS strikes on ammo depots.
What they need to do is overperform a state that has essentially no production to speak of and allies that also have significantly less production than Russia by orders of magnitude and unlike Russia don't have an existential incentive to pour these resources in.
The issue is that the Russians pretty much only have one type of precision artillery shell which requires laser spotting. That means drone for the most part, and Stingers have been able to deal with those. The Russian drones are really lackluster, for example Orlan-10 footage is blurry as hell.
Meanwhile the Ukrainians are receiving few but several types of guided shells. Even though Russia could in theory outproduce the West (remember that their manufacturing capability is based on Western machines that won't be serviced from now on) they make shells to land in football field sized areas. Russia naturally needs to produce more to compete with accurate unguided shells and the very accurate guided shells we produce in "small" quantities.
And how are NATO bros doing on the economic front of this war?

Firewood shortages are forcing the once-proud nation of Poland to burn garbage to stay alive:
>Zero Hedge
Shiggy
 
How is Iraq doing anyway? Apologies if it’s the wrong thread for this, but last I heard, ISIS lost a lot of territory and the presidential palace was stormed.
Government's spent nearly the past year utterly unable to elect a new president, modify anything politically or economically, and dozens of parliament members have been resigning. Oddly enough, I can't for the life of me figure out how it could be so bad since the UN said the elections were conducted freely and fairly.
 
Government's spent nearly the past year utterly unable to elect a new president, modify anything politically or economically, and dozens of parliament members have been resigning. Oddly enough, I can't for the life of me figure out how it could be so bad since the UN said the elections were conducted freely and fairly.
Belgium spent more than a year without a government for a similar reason, but nobody has ever questioned their electoral system. Well, not more than usual at any rate.

Just a thought.
 
This is becoming a habit with the Ukrainians, Have they always been ungrateful and bit the hand that feeds them, or is this mostly on the clown Zelenssky?
It's very much a key characteristic of the Ukrainian peasant mentality. There's anti-Galician/Ukrainian propaganda dating back centuries referring to that exact characteristic.
 
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