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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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It's not exactly the sort of incompetence that'd be wiped out by putting a new general in charge. US intelligence agencies apparently were agreeing with Russia that they'd take Kyiv, which means Russia's intelligence was just as competent/incompetent as America's.

The fact Ukraine was willing to fight back, surprised everyone. Much of Europe was reluctant to even do sanctions on things like the sale of luxury goods, because they figured it was inevitable that Ukraine would fall like it was nothing.

The problems Russia is dealing with can't be fixed by just putting smarter people in charge, because they've already gotten a fucked economy, corrupt military that was selling off arms, and a populace that wants to flee at the first sign of trouble coming their way. It also doesn't help that the west doesn't want to be flooded by Ukrainian refugees, so tossing them money so they can fight their own war and stay in their own country can look a lot nicer than letting Russia raise hell.


The reason they thought this is because it was POSSIBLE for Russia to just hammer down and do a blitz to Kiev.
Russia just had war games in Belarus a month before that was a dress rehearsal for the Ukrainian invasion. The Russian performance in the war games was marred by (easily corrected) logistical fuckups of the nature we've seen play out in the early days of the war. Everyone with any sense figured that Russia would correct those fuck ups, move their armor with more of a supply train, and run their tanks all the way to Kiev under fighter cover before Ukraine could do anything.
"Clearly if they are going to be so brazen, they will obviously have their shit together"

The expectations were also based off Russia doing a cannon ball run to Kiev, not trying to secure the country. The expectation was Russia would occupy Kiev and a narrow supply corridor, issue some statements about how Ukraine was run by nazis who were genociding the Russians in Donbas and Donbas needed to join Russia, move in their armor to discourage NATO, hold a sham referendum and then withdraw to Donbas in the interests of peace. And their 'Z Force' did manage to get to within arty range of Kiev.... where the logistical fuckups that inhibited Russian performance in the Belarus war games manifested.

Expectations Ukrainian performance was also being based off of 2014 where the Ukrainians were completely pantsed and Crimea fell in basically hours once Russia stopped play acting. And to be fair to initial reports, in the opening day of the war, Ukrainian forces got rolled pretty hard. Another thing that wasn't expected was how quickly Zelensky cleaned house. A lot of the Ukrainian top brass was in the pockets of Russia - it doesn't matter how good your troops or equipment are if the guy at the top is not interested in actually defeating the enemy because he's on their payroll.

tl;dr:
Russia had wargames where their lack of logists held them back. It was expected they'd fix them, they didn't.
Zelensky booted out the Russian sleeper generals, gave everyone else a come-to-Jesus "We are not capitulating, we are actually fighting" talk, and showed his troops the government's resolve by not evacuating Kiev.


I was being facetious when I said they were a five-star away from greatness, but not by much. Even as poorly maintained and poorly crewed as the russian armor is, its still solid especially given what its going up against.
Russian conscripts beat the Germans by just weight of numbers, and Russia could do that again but you'd need to have actually leadership to make it happen.

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There is also a question of how much equipment destruction in the early phase of the war was intention on Russian generals part. Per that article

Since the war began, a long list of weaknesses in the Russian military and its defense industries have been exposed, symbolized by the so-called jack-in-the-box flaw in Russian tanks. Ukrainian forces quickly learned that one well-placed shot could blow off a Russian tank turret, sending it sky high and killing the entire crew. It became clear that Russian tanks had been designed and built cheaply — with ammunition stored openly in a ring inside the turret that can explode when the turret is hit — and that crew safety had not been prioritized.

So let me tl;dr:
The T-72 has an autoloader. The main magazine is in a ring around the turret. This is (by itself) not the problem. The problem is that T-72 turret has lots of nooks and crannies, and the operator manual for early versions basically say "cram as much ammo into their as possible" to boost stats.
There is a flaw in the original autoloader that it doesn't do a full "airlock seal" when loading a round, the magazine is temporarily open to the turret, and an explosion can blow it open. This means the explosion enters the turret. By itself, this not a problem. The problem is the dozens of rounds stored around the turret, and the fire can then flow through the magazine around the loader, causing every round to go off at once.
The reverse can also happen: if you put an ATGM through the thin armor at the top of the turret, if you can get one stored round to go off, the explosion can go down the autoloader, to the main magazine, and cause all the rounds to explode.

So if this a T-72 problem, why don't we see Ukrainian tanks with their turrets flying off everywhere?

This flaw was discovered fairly early in the T-72's life. The fix is to rework the autoloader to prevent direct ammo contact with the crew compartments and upgrade the magazine's interior armor so a crew compartment explosion won't breach the magazine, and to direct any explosion in the magazine outward instead of inward (and to stop storing spare ammo in turret.)
Ukraine has done these fixes on all (or at least most) of their T-72s. Russia was also supposed to have done this, but given the amount of flying turrets, it seems unlikely they did.

So if you got allotted 1000 T-72 upgrade kits and instead of installing them you sold them on the black market, if you find out that your unit deploying to Ukraine .... well if those unupgraded T-72s are destroyed by enemy action, no one is going know about you selling the upgrades are they?
 
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A thing we need to remember is that vatniks, at least the ones on the Western side, don't even care about Nazis. Hell, most of them even like them.

The only reason they're cheering on Russia is because they hate wokism/globohomo/gays/trannies/liberals/minorities/immigrants/etc, and would literally rather throw away how good they have it, and how good everyone else has it just so they don't have to put up with people that are different from them anymore.

Make no mistake, these people genuinely think they have it terrible here, and everyone hates them because they're white/hetero/cis/conservative/male/etc, when in reality it's because they're incredibly spoiled, stupid, and spiteful, and openly boast about betraying their country to join a far worse one where they, and everyone else will be treated like shit, but at least the classes they hate will be treated worse.

It's literally a bucket of crabs mentality. Why should you be happy if I'm not happy? A mentality that fits both vatniks, and a good chunk of actual Russians perfectly if the latter's graffiti demanding to know what gives Ukrainians the right to live so nicely is anything go by.

Hey now, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, and Solzhenitsyn actually gave us good stuff. In fact, I'd argue that literature is the only good thing Russia has ever given the world.

Well, that, and fun Bond villains, and cool accents.
And Tetris.
 
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A minor sperg correction on my part, but the main Ukrainian tank since the beginning of this conflict is the T-64, which uses an entirely different autoloader system than the T-72. It's actually more vulnerable to hits than the T-72s, but the reason you see less Ukrainian tanks getting jack in the boxed is a combination of western supplied ATGMs simply outclass anything Russian, especially the Javelins coming top down to hit directly on the center of the turret and into the autoloader, and much smarter deployment of Ukrainian armor assets actually being supported by infantry unlike Russian armor.
 
@Ghostse
A minor sperg correction on my part, but the main Ukrainian tank since the beginning of this conflict is the T-64, which uses an entirely different autoloader system than the T-72. It's actually more vulnerable to hits than the T-72s, but the reason you see less Ukrainian tanks getting jack in the boxed is a combination of western supplied ATGMs simply outclass anything Russian, especially the Javelins coming top down to hit directly on the center of the turret and into the autoloader, and much smarter deployment of Ukrainian armor assets actually being supported by infantry unlike Russian armor.

You are correct about T-64 being the main Ukrainian forces tank, but they still had something like near 1000 T-72s. You'd expect to see some turrets flying. (Ukraine, being nearer their own supply lines, is also likely not filling the turret with spare rounds)

The analysis I saw said the Javelin doesn't have enough oomph to breech a T-72 magazine. But it would be able to detonate any ammo stored outside of it.
 
So how come after eleventy billions of dollars of Us aid that Zelensky is still wearing that same nasty ass Five and below tshirt? Did anyone not find a “I love borscht” tshirt from the 2019 “Swarthy European fuck festival”at the Ukrainian Goodwill and sent him one?

I can find dozens of marathon and shitty freebie shirts at a secondhand shop to wear when I know I’m going to destroy them doing something messy, like painting or fixing something greasy.
 
So how come after eleventy billions of dollars of Us aid that Zelensky is still wearing that same nasty ass Five and below tshirt? Did anyone not find a “I love borscht” tshirt from the 2019 “Swarthy European fuck festival”at the Ukrainian Goodwill and sent him one?

I can find dozens of marathon and shitty freebie shirts at a secondhand shop to wear when I know I’m going to destroy them doing something messy, like painting or fixing something greasy.

They are the only mens shirts your mom keeps in her bedroom dresser.
 
WaPo article on Russian torture sites:

"Ukrainian National Guard uniforms are still lying in the long grass. Investigators found a gas mask that they believed had been placed on the heads of detainees as they were beaten. There was a dildo and a box of extracted teeth in one room. The items have been sent for DNA analysis to ascertain whether they were used at the site."

 
WaPo article on Russian torture sites:

"Ukrainian National Guard uniforms are still lying in the long grass. Investigators found a gas mask that they believed had been placed on the heads of detainees as they were beaten. There was a dildo and a box of extracted teeth in one room. The items have been sent for DNA analysis to ascertain whether they were used at the site."

What the fuck is it with slavs and shoving things up eachothers asses?

In regards to the wars effect on western yurop I just have to ask one thing. Why are people acting like it's gonna turn into fuckin Antarctica all of a sudden?

I used to live in an area that had winters just as harsh as yuropoors have to deal with. I didn't have a car and had to bike 15 miles round trip to and from work during winter and my apartment didn't have heating. It really wasn't as hard as some idiots are making it out to be. Dress in layers, get a nice wool jacket, some thermal underwear, and some good gloves. It's pretty fuckin simple.

People who are sucking Putin off for this don't seem to be thinking long term if you ask me. They seem to think Yuropoors will go "Boo hoo it's cold, better suck the KGB glowie dick". In reality it's more likely they'll agree that it sucked and tell all the green parties that Russia helps finance to fuck off for the foreseeable future. Unless I'm missing something here, and I don't think I am.
 
"Ukrainian National Guard uniforms are still lying in the long grass. Investigators found a gas mask that they believed had been placed on the heads of detainees as they were beaten. There was a dildo and a box of extracted teeth in one room. The items have been sent for DNA analysis to ascertain whether they were used at the site."
The teeth story was all over Twitter, with the implication being that Russians were pulling civilians' teeth looking for gold fillings. It turns out they stole it from a local dentist in hopes there was gold in them (which there wasn't), so it was pathetic but not torture:
(Trigger warning: Krautese; can't find an English source.)
 
I cant believe this, but there are several sources on twitter and even a video, the Ukrainians fucked up Kerch bridge
Made a edit to add the videos, the balls on these people. I am guessing the Russians will say it was a smoking incident.
Up close, it appears the fire was on the train tracks but the car section collapsed too.
 

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The teeth story was all over Twitter, with the implication being that Russians were pulling civilians' teeth looking for gold fillings. It turns out they stole it from a local dentist in hopes there was gold in them (which there wasn't), so it was pathetic but not torture:
(Trigger warning: Krautese; can't find an English source.)
Thanks for the additional source.

I hope the gas mask and dildo didn't also belong to the dentist.
 
Zelensky's shirt by itself is also a propaganda, that he's not a politician now, he's a war leader, the commander in chief of a country that is being invaded. Just look at the early months of the war where foreign leaders visit him. The contrast between them wearing nice expensive suits while Zelensky is only wearing a dirty shirt is worth millions of aids. Say what you want about Zelensky, but his PR game is extremely solid
 
Zelensky's shirt by itself is also a propaganda, that he's not a politician now, he's a war leader, the commander in chief of a country that is being invaded. Just look at the early months of the war where foreign leaders visit him. The contrast between them wearing nice expensive suits while Zelensky is only wearing a dirty shirt is worth millions of aids. Say what you want about Zelensky, but his PR game is extremely solid
That's all he's got PR. Ukraine troops roll into unoccupied areas and call it a victory. Kherson and other places they "took back" in their counter offensive means they pulled troops from the northern front lines.

Estimates are the Ukrainians have 30,000 troops still defending Bakhmut about five times the number commited to any other action of the war. Those details should tell you where the real fighting is not the PR nonsense.
 
That's all he's got PR. Ukraine troops roll into unoccupied areas and call it a victory. Kherson and other places they "took back" in their counter offensive means they pulled troops from the northern front lines.

Estimates are the Ukrainians have 30,000 troops still defending Bakhmut about five times the number commited to any other action of the war. Those details should tell you where the real fighting is not the PR nonsense.
The real fighting? The real fighting ended a while ago. All we have now are Russian conscripts being sent to die for a worthless cause.

"Zelensky says latest Russian troops killed in war ‘were not trained for combat’"

All the juicy drama now comes from Russia tearing itself apart over this new "mobilization" nonsense. Like how the new conscripts lack basic goods:

"Russian Troops Told to Use Female Sanitary Products Amid Supply Issues—U.K."

"Putin's Mobilized Troops Forced to Buy Their Own Equipment, Armor: Ukraine"

If this is just a partial mobilization, and men are already trying to GTFO from Russia, just imagine what a full mobilization will do. It would destroy the country.

The only thing Putin can do now is use nukes, which would certainly trigger mutually-assured destruction.
 
That's all he's got PR. Ukraine troops roll into unoccupied areas and call it a victory.

I suppose all that captured equipment is just shit the Russians left behind after getting to drunk while partying in no mans land these last few months.

Kherson and other places they "took back" in their counter offensive means they pulled troops from the northern front lines.

Well that certainly explains why Ukraine has started loosing ground in the nor .... oh wait.

Estimates are the Ukrainians have 30,000 troops still defending Bakhmut about five times the number commited to any other action of the war. Those details should tell you where the real fighting is not the PR nonsense.

The push on Bakhmut was happening even before the Kharkiv offensive started, curious how Ukraine an commit so many personnel there and yet gain ground further north and at the opposite end of the theater simultaneously.

Wagner's decision to keep pushing there is generally believed (even by very conservatives observers) to be one of most retarded actions the Russians have taken this entire war so far considering its lack of strategic value and the insanity of continuing to allocate resources there for so long as their opponent is making gains on their right flank.
 
Zelensky says latest Russian troops killed in war ‘were not trained for combat’ "Zelensky says latest Russian troops killed in war ‘were not trained for combat’"
How would he know, he's never been on the front lines.
"Russian Troops Told to Use Female Sanitary Products Amid Supply Issues—U.K."
Your source for this is Newsweek....with the UK ministry of defence saying "they are probably running out"..... Tells you they have no intelligence inside Russia.

The strong Russian Ruble and the fact that imports have increased into Russia during this conflict show the story of them having to buy their own equipment is false. The source for the lack of equipment is the Ukrainian military....really...?

Also, men leaving a country to avoid conscription happens in every country everytime. Hundreds of thousand of men left the Ukraine as this broke out, it happened in the US with the Vietnam war. The numbers being thrown around are bloated.
 
How would he know, he's never been on the front lines.
He commands an army that has. And they can easily pass reports on to him that say "hey boss, the new guys we're fighting are noobs!"

Your source for this is Newsweek....with the UK ministry of defence saying "they are probably running out"..... Tells you they have no intelligence inside Russia.
And? UK MoD is ten times more reliable than any source from Russia that's 95% propaganda, 5% whining about the West.

The strong Russian Ruble and the fact that imports have increased into Russia during this conflict show the story of them having to buy their own equipment is false. The source for the lack of equipment is the Ukrainian military....really...?
Nice assumptions, but do you have a source? At least the Ukrainian military can easily say that they've captured a few new Russian recruits who had to buy their own shit.

Also, men leaving a country to avoid conscription happens in every country everytime. Hundreds of thousand of men left the Ukraine as this broke out, it happened in the US with the Vietnam war. The numbers being thrown around are bloated.
Except it's not bloated. It's gotten even worse in Russia, where even elite units like the Wagner group have to get prisoners to help fight.

"Wagner Group: Head of Russian mercenary group filmed recruiting in prison"


Last I checked, neither Ukraine nor the USA were that desperate to put prisoners in their elite units.
 
"Zelensky says latest Russian troops killed in war ‘were not trained for combat’"
Really clever idea from the Kremlin Gremlin - getting rid of all old, sick, disabled men & ethnic minorities by sending them to the Ukraine.
He also found the most sucessful way to beat cancer in men - giving all male cancer patients the "Ukraine treatment".

:story:
 
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