Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Cloacan]

Do Ftm have a even bigger tendency to baldness than men? There's the idea going around that the bald gene is on the x chromosome but i am pretty sure it's fake news.

Testosterone meds compared to the testicle-grown variety can produce a lot more DHT, leading to quicker onset of male-pattern baldness.

 

[sum ting wong]

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The cis-erasure continues. Next you're gonna tell me he was invented by black people first.

 

[Sarcastic sockpuppet]

Since women have an XX, and the hair is expressed on the X, they have double the hair genes. So if the paternal and maternal genetics express balding they have twice the chance of balding as actual males. Maybe someone more sciencey can explain it lol.

That sounds made up, the hair isn't expressed on the X gene.
Like even if that was true, if you have twice the X it would likely mean that you are less likley to be bald, the double-x gene has a protective action to some extend. If one X is fucked up, then the second x brings the desirable genes. Unless the baldness gene is a super-dominant gene.

But most things are dependant on several genes. You have some genes that enable or suppress other genes.

The other explanation, that HRT ends up being DHT-heavy, sounds more likely.

 

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

Another British gender doctor is facing a disciplinary hearing, this one a surgeon - Mr Christopher Inglefield of the London Transgender Clinic.

Inglefield is in private practise only (ie non NHS) and does all troony surgeries except for FtM genitals.

He’s responsible for most British MtF brittroon celebs faces under the age of 45, but seems to proper love cutting the tits off lesbians…

https://www.mpts-uk.org/hearings-and-decisions/medical-practitioners-tribunals/dr-christopher-inglefield-oct-22

Specialist Transgender Surgeon London| GCS Surgeon

Mr. Christopher Inglefield offers his years of transgender surgery experience to patients and he ensures his patients are well informed in all aspects of their procedures at his London Clinic

www.thelondontransgenderclinic.uk

 

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

That sounds made up, the hair isn't expressed on the X gene.
Like even if that was true, if you have twice the X it would likely mean that you are less likley to be bald, the double-x gene has a protective action to some extend. If one X is fucked up, then the second x brings the desirable genes. Unless the baldness gene is a super-dominant gene.

You are kinda right.

A boys X chromosome always comes from his mother.

A girl has an x from each parent.

This is why ‘x linked’ gene faults like haemophilia are expressed in boys, but girls are just carriers.
The other X makes up for the dodgy one.

The bald gene is on the x, so a boy’s propensity towards baldness can be somewhat predicted by looking at his mother’s father (but he could have the x she got from his maternal grandma, not his maternal grandfather, so it’s not always accurate)

An Ft’M has an x from each parent, and dependent on which one is dominant, could have a propensity towards baldness from either side of the family.

So an FTM has go look at both sides of the family to check for familial baldness, not just mums.

As an example a girl can inherit BRCA (the breast cancer gene) from her mum or her dad, whereas a boy can only get it from mum.

It’s a different form of inheritance pattern to haemophilia, which is what you are thinking of.

The one you are thinking of is ‘x linked recessive’ but the FtM baldness is thought to be more like BRCA, ‘x linked dominant’

(although it’s possible that baldness is x linked dominant in men and x linked recessive in women - or dominant in both with a ‘weakened penetration’ in women, which presumably strengthens/wakes up via DHT related to exogenous T?)



Edit: The following is purely conjecture based on my small amount of knowledge in this area:

having thought about it a bit it seems to me that the 2nd of the possibilities above is the most likely thing going on with the baldy FtM’s is that baldness is x linked dominant in both males and females and females are just missing the testosterone that activates it .
This T activation is presumably why normal male baldness begins when they reach that fully physiological adult age of around 21-24 when the last of the puppy fat goes and the jaw line shows up - in normal development, these are the strongest T years (some chaps bald very gradually and some are at the ‘shave the lot’ phase by 24. I suspect this variation is due to a genetic propensity towards DHT sensitivity)



Females finish pubertal growth at an earlier age so chuck a big dose of T on-top at 16/17 and it makes sense that they would end up balder faster than actual men a) their growing phase is complete and b) they go straight in at young adulthood male T levels, rather than increasingly ramping up from the first signs of puberty.
PCOS (which causes higher than average T levels in women but still nowhere near male levels, also affects hair, increasing body hair and causing hair loss from the head: https://www.healthline.com/health/pcos-hair-loss-2#medical-treatment )

Basically giving girls T doesn’t make them grow into men, it makes them grow into women with an artificially induced, extreme, hormone imbalance - which is why lots of them are really pudgy in the middle - a body shape middle aged menopausal women often have to battle against (or buy elastic waist pants).

Anyway, bald chaps can be extremely hot, and while I sympathise that going bald can be stressful for a chap, women tend not to care as long as you don’t get yourself stuck in a no man’s land of denial.

Bald women who think they are men? Well, that’s gonna take a very special fetish to be considered sexy.

 

[Sarcastic sockpuppet]

You are kinda right.

A boys X chromosome always comes from his mother.

A girl has an x from each parent.

This is why ‘x linked’ gene faults like haemophilia are expressed in boys, but girls are just carriers.
The other X makes up for the dodgy one.

The bald gene is on the x, so a boy’s propensity towards baldness can be somewhat predicted by looking at his mother’s father (but he could have the x she got from his maternal grandma, not his maternal grandfather, so it’s not always accurate)

An Ft’M has an x from each parent, and dependent on which one is dominant, could have a propensity towards baldness from either side of the family.

So an FTM has go look at both sides of the family to check for familial baldness, not just mums.

As an example a girl can inherit BRCA (the breast cancer gene) from her mum or her dad, whereas a boy can only get it from mum.

It’s a different form of inheritance pattern to haemophilia, which is what you are thinking of.

The one you are thinking of is ‘x linked recessive’ but the FtM baldness is thought to be more like BRCA2, ‘x linked dominant’

(although it’s possible that baldness is x linked dominant in men and x linked recessive in women - or dominant in both with a ‘weakened penetration’ in women, which presumably strengthens/wakes up via DHT related to exogenous T?)

Kiwifarms: come for the lulz, stay for the extensive biology lessons

Thank you, you are a kind gentleman and a scholar...

 

[Procrastinhater]

Another British gender doctor is facing a disciplinary hearing, this one a surgeon - Mr Christopher Inglefield of the London Transgender Clinic.

Inglefield is in private practise only (ie non NHS) and does all troony surgeries except for FtM genitals.

He’s responsible for most British MtF brittroon celebs faces under the age of 45, but seems to proper love cutting the tits off lesbians…

https://www.mpts-uk.org/hearings-and-decisions/medical-practitioners-tribunals/dr-christopher-inglefield-oct-22

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Specialist Transgender Surgeon London| GCS Surgeon

Mr. Christopher Inglefield offers his years of transgender surgery experience to patients and he ensures his patients are well informed in all aspects of their procedures at his London Clinic

www.thelondontransgenderclinic.uk

I've said it before but why do so many of these surgeons remind me of this

Same energy.

I know theres a theory a lot of these surgeons are based transphobes that are just in it for the cash, thats why so many botch an (admittedly impossible to do well) job and then ghost the troon afterwards, knowing they have the weight of the medical troon surgery lobby on their side, as well as an army of psychotic AGP Eunuchs who actively shout down and ostracize anyone who raises regrets and complaints.
If you're a sociopath (which a lot of surgeons are) they've stumbled onto a hell of a well paid racket.
The ones who operate on minors deserve a bullet, however noone makes troons suffer more than these butchers, and considering these AGP fucks would see us all ruined for laughing at them, I don't know if thats a bad thing.
They get what they fucking deserve.
Obviously not brainwashed kids though, when the tables turn there will be hell to pay for all of them.

 

[Dylan]

That sounds made up, the hair isn't expressed on the X gene.
Like even if that was true, if you have twice the X it would likely mean that you are less likley to be bald, the double-x gene has a protective action to some extend. If one X is fucked up, then the second x brings the desirable genes. Unless the baldness gene is a super-dominant gene.

But most things are dependant on several genes. You have some genes that enable or suppress other genes.

The other explanation, that HRT ends up being DHT-heavy, sounds more likely.

You're an absolute retard who needs to shut the fuck up, because you know shit about genetics. You, moron, don't even know the terminology. X is a chromosome, not a gene.
Your explanation of genetic expression of X chromosome is not taking into account that two X chromosomes are in constant conflict of which one gets to express the trait, because of this, women are somewhat like chimeras, their skin, bone, other tissues are not uniform like men's. Some areas get one of the chromosomes dominating, others have other X chromosome to dominate in expression. Think of it as two instructions for a single thread processor trying to be executed at the same time.

Here's a digestible pop science vid to save you the trouble of reading through volumes of scientific books

Why Women Are Stripey

Epigenetics means women have different active x-chromosomes in different cells. Animation courtesy of http://wehi.tvMusic by Amarante: http://bit.ly/VeAmaran...

youtu.be

 

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

X is a chromosome, not a gene.

Chromosomes are coils of DNA and Genes are sections of the DNA in those coils.

Using the three interchangeably is arguably perfectly fine for normie level chat.

Genomic medicine (treatment plans tailored to an individual’s genetics) is the future, if we don’t fuck it all up by promoting ‘lived experience’ and ‘other forms of knowledge’ over science.

If we do that it’s back to witchdoctory

Genomics and Medicine

Genomic medicine involves using genomic information as part of clinical care and the health outcomes and policy implications of that clinical use.

www.genome.gov

Troons won’t like it because their chromosomes will be extremely relevant to all medical care.

 

[RibbedCondominium]

LOL!

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“Hurr-durr.. What’s the trans industry?!” Said the lady who has made a career as “non binary”/tranny mom and comments daily on HRT/SRS shit.

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A new kind of dangerous, experimental surgery that’s bound to have minimal effects?’

SIGN ME UP!!

And now Amanda Jetté Knox, "your nonbinary internet mom" (shudder), is going to bat for Mermaids and screaming at people who want to protect children.

 

[Got Milk!]

And now Amanda Jetté Knox, "your nonbinary internet mom" (shudder), is going to bat for Mermaids and screaming at people who want to protect children.

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How long before they just say "I want to fuck your kids. Stop trying to inhibit me"? And furthermore, how long until you become the bad guy for saying no?

 

[batteredpancakes]

Update on that tattooed phallus. u/-_B0bby_-

Spoiler: still looks dumb

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[Owner of a Lonely Hole]

Update on that tattooed phallus. u/-_B0bby_-
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Spoiler: still looks dumb

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I still find neovaginas more viscerally heinous, but as a penis lover neophalluses are just offensive and ugly. Christ almighty.

 

[Xanax and Wine]

And now Amanda Jetté Knox, "your nonbinary internet mom" (shudder), is going to bat for Mermaids and screaming at people who want to protect children.

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The shit these fuckers are getting is nothing compared to what they are doing to children. All they do is hide their abuse behind friendly smiles and words of affirmation, arguably the more sinister thing to do.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Update on that tattooed phallus. u/-_B0bby_-
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Spoiler: still looks dumb

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Looks like a geoduck!

 

[Scrumption]

Here is what has been going on with Hannah since the surgery, all pictures are thumbnails as per Null's new image guidelines. Just click to enlarge.
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Day three in the ICU. Day three.
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Does anyone know which butchers work out of MedStar?
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The Saga of Hannah Simpson continues with (yet another) revision. For more information on earlier chapters in this horrorshow, see my previous replies in this chain.






And check this out. Every time I think I am feeling some sympathy for him, I read something like this and it all goes away

Clearly, he has learned nothing if he is still promoting this body horror on other poor souls. Just because his outcome is one of the worst does not mean that the outcome in most other operations is anything to write home about. At best, your genitals are mangled with no additional complications. There is no good outcome. The insanity just radiates off this one.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

And now Amanda Jetté Knox, "your nonbinary internet mom" (shudder)

Her husband trooned out on her and their four kids so she decided she must be queer because now she has a "wife" then later decided she must not be a woman too. There's another "queer" Blue Check woman on Twitter who is pretty much the same stupid person (except I don't think her husband trooned out) and they had the same haircut colored the same way for a long time so their avatars always looked the same so I'm permanently confused into which is which. And all they write about is the same gender shit inbetween acting like Karen stereotypes. Anyway, my point is that she's stupid. And I would not have sex with her.

 

[RibbedCondominium]

Her husband trooned out on her and their four kids so she decided she must be queer because now she has a "wife" then later decided she must not be a woman too. There's another "queer" Blue Check woman on Twitter who is pretty much the same stupid person (except I don't think her husband trooned out) and they had the same haircut colored the same way for a long time so their avatars always looked the same so I'm permanently confused into which is which. And all they write about is the same gender shit inbetween acting like Karen stereotypes. Anyway, my point is that she's stupid. And I would not have sex with her.

Yeah..."nonbinary" seems to come with a certain mandatory uniform, mainly around that stupid nonbinary "undercut" or whatever they call it, with a shitty dye job. Mx. Amanda loses points for her glasses not having a rainbow-colored frame. (I'm sure the community will have a chat with her about that deviation at some point.)

 

[Positron]

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Indeed these modern-day "Daughters of Inanna" are all created with sharpened scalpels.

Since women have an XX, and the hair is expressed on the X, they have double the hair genes. So if the paternal and maternal genetics express balding they have twice the chance of balding as actual males. Maybe someone more sciencey can explain it lol.

People have found at least 287 locations in the human genome associated with male-pattern baldness. The most often talked about is the androgen receptor (AR) gene on the X-chromosome. The variation that predisposes someone to baldness appear to increase the hair follicle's sensitivity to male hormones. Even though women have two X-chromosomes, each cell inactivate one copy, seemingly at random, hence a woman exposed to androgen is expected to have the same chance of male-pattern baldness as men, although the degree of baldness might be less severe (unless she is unlucky enough to inherit both mutant AR genes) as some of the hair follicles cells might have inactivated the mutant AR gene.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

A little update for this bald woman here

It depresses me to see "trans regretter" thinking that detransition means you have to have to go back into looking like a barbie girl for TIF or macho man for TIM and therefore they're "too late". They still have an autistic mindset of how men and women should look like. Being a woman isn't just pretty hair and dress. It's in your genes, your bodily structure, in your cells, and in fact that she was born with ovaries and all that female equipment. (That's also why troons think they pass too.. they see these specific things as a signifier that they're the opposite sex without looking at larger picture...)

In fact there's a lot of account of former TIF stopping testosterone and starting to regrow some of their lost hair. I think she still looks like a woman. Will Smith's wife still look like a woman. Of course you have "very little estrogen and adult male level testosterone" because you've still on hormones, shit takes months to rebalance itself again. she hasn't had hysterectomy.

I feel sad for her because there are irreversible losses, but she fell into the typical detrans bingo.