Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

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Are you really trying to argue that the Russians of all people won't be able to handle cold weather or have any plans for it?

The Russian military is so corrupt and incompetent that they will not be able to handle the cold weather; Currently, new Russian troops are supplied only with shoes and field uniforms. They have to buy everything else, including helmets.
 
Yes, you're only allowed to buy bright orange IR reflecting dyed coats if you're Russia
You have to pay extra and wait. Mass production doesn't turn on a dime.
There is nothing stopping anyone from cleaning out the USA's DRMO stock of military clothing that is sold in pallets and shipping it to a nearby country.
Funnily enough people are buying all the surplus USGI parkas and donating to Ukraine.
>fast fashion garbage
90% of the shit on that page is "drip" clothing below H&M tier. The 10% that looks military is for looks. It will be garbage in the field.
Are you really trying to argue that the Russians of all people won't be able to handle cold weather or have any plans for it?
They got buttfucked by cold weather in February, and recently found 1.5 million jackets were missing.
 
So what happened in the last 2 days that turned attacks on vital infrastructure with civilian casualties as a byproduct from based and redpilled, to war crimes? Does the definition change based on who is the one getting hit?

Anyway, these attacks are good, from a military point of view. They serve many purposes.

1) They remind a high-on-morale Ukraine that they aren't safe anywhere in the country, something that had been forgotten as Russia refused to strike at important, and well known, railway hubs, repair depots, fuel depots and other points of accumulation of military equipment and personnel.
2) They naturally serve to disrupt logistics in the case of infrastructure like bridges & fuel depots.
3) Further diminish the UAF's stock of armored vehicles and troop transports - not a good thing for a country that is increasingly living off NATO weapons and old Soviet stock from European countries and is now having to turn to countries like Uganda for their stocks of Soviet ammunition and perhaps, parts (eventually tanks...? doubtful since these countries would have to openly show support for Ukraine and wouldn't be able to buy from Russia anymore).
4) Satisfy everyone who has been baying for Ukrainian blood since the Kerch sabotage incident.
5) Put massive pressure on Ukraine's infrastructure and further make them dependent on the West for even basic electricity and water supply, which will complicate, well, literally everything.

These strikes & the mobilization mean Russia is finally wising up to the fact that this war will be long & will be fought as hard as any other: if they want to win they have to stop sparing infrastructure. Causing chaos for the enemy is basic warfare for a reason.

On the topic of jackets: no, they aren't some arcane technology and it's unlikely that there will be any major shortages. Worst case scenario, the mobilized will bring their own dark-colored clothing (it's Russia, no, winter clothing isn't rare for fuck's sake, everyone has it) until production is increased to the point where everyone is well supplied. More likely, they'll turn to the countries playing both sides like China & India and place orders or buy their stock.

Russia was making around 3.3 million jackets & 1.3 million coats & half coats per year in 2021. Due to sanctions, a lot of these factories are probably desperate for these juicy military contracts, if anything.

Source on Russia's clothing production:

The far more likely issue is that these things fail to reach some of the men due to corruption and incompetence, as with any military (especially an Eastern Euro one). In the worst, most desperate of scenarios, you could easily hold drives for dark or camo-patterned civilian-owned winter jackets to combat shortages.
 
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They got buttfucked by cold weather in February, and recently found 1.5 million jackets were missing.
How did they get buttfucked by the cold weather? I remember seeing plenty of videos of Russian soldiers wearing jackets.
The Russian military is so corrupt and incompetent that they will not be able to handle the cold weather; Currently, new Russian troops are supplied only with shoes and field uniforms. They have to buy everything else, including helmets.
The only evidence for that story comes a Ukrainian official saying it and the Moscow Times, a western media outlet based in the Netherlands for some reason saying they talked to an anonymous soldier in the Russian National Guard. Completely legit sources.
 
Since the ZPP was more than 20% of Ukraine's pre-war generation capacity.

Can you provide one example of an active-duty US serviceman in Ukrainian military regalia? It should be easy given the high casualty rates.

Why do you people argue like this? It's just goal post shuffling and straw men all the way down.
According to the US Government, none of our active troops are engaged in combat in Syria, they are all technically advisors. Also, they're not even there according to other branches of US government. I have never celebrated dead ukraine troops and never posted anything about casualty rates.

No American "volunteer" is going to disclose that they're active duty wearing a Ukraine uniform. We have quite a few "retired" advisors and trainers there right now. Can the CIA be considered "active duty troops" or do I need to roll a 20 or higher for you to accept this nomeclature for the Invasion of Ukraine megathread shitposting campaign?

"Dress less American" Hmmm, I wonder what they're wearing and who they're trying to look like?

This is probably the most recent, prominent, American in a Ukie uniform engaging in combat who is also "former" military.
 
So what happened in the last 2 days that turned attacks on vital infrastructure with civilian casualties as a byproduct from based and redpilled, to war crimes?
3 fatalities from an attack conducted at night against a supply line where convoys of tanks and IFVs roll through
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Children's parks and pedestrian bridges during rush hour
How did they get buttfucked by the cold weather? I remember seeing plenty of videos of Russian soldiers wearing jackets.
Hint: bad gear is almost as bad as no gear.
Hint: Russian troops had the best equipment then.
 
The only evidence for that story comes a Ukrainian official saying it and the Moscow Times, a western media outlet based in the Netherlands for some reason saying they talked to an anonymous soldier in the Russian National Guard. Completely legit sources.

Russian reservists complaining that they aren't being provided with necessities

 
With all this sperging about peace here's my retarded idea for peace.
-Russia gets to keep the land it claims is it's now.
-Ukraine gets to join NATO

Anyone who thinks this will end in Ukraine, and that as soon as any peace treaty is signed everything will be okay again is a grade A dumbass

You have shit like Medvedev getting ass mad about Kazakhstan not being supportive of the war and pointing out northern Kazakhstan has a sizable Russian population and CSTO being exposed as worth nothing by Russja leaving Armenia out to dry to deal with Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan going at it.

Putin didn't need to go for the whole pie, he could have easily had his little slice and he could have just focused on Donbass, he already sent troops in Donbass to help the separatists in 2014, but he got greedy, and if he didn't this thing would have had a high chance of being over by now, but instead he sperged out, wrote a fucking essay that says "Ukraine is fake country and is rightful Russian land!" that's required reading in the Russian military, and screamed "For Novorussia!" as he sent troops in an full on invasion of the entirety of Ukraine.
 
Why do you people argue like this? It's just goal post shuffling and straw men all the way down.
According to the US Government, none of our active troops are engaged in combat in Syria, they are all technically advisors. Also, they're not even there according to other branches of US government. I have never celebrated dead ukraine troops and never posted anything about casualty rates.

No American "volunteer" is going to disclose that they're active duty wearing a Ukraine uniform. We have quite a few "retired" advisors and trainers there right now. Can the CIA be considered "active duty troops" or do I need to roll a 20 or higher for you to accept this nomeclature for the Invasion of Ukraine megathread shitposting campaign?

"Dress less American" Hmmm, I wonder what they're wearing and who they're trying to look like?

This is probably the most recent, prominent, American in a Ukie uniform engaging in combat who is also "former" military.

None of those are active duty US servicemen
 
3 fatalities from an attack conducted at night against a supply line where convoys of tanks and IFVs roll through
vs
Children's parks and pedestrian bridges during rush hour
Are the sidewalks in Donetsk actually undercover IFV factories, and are the houses in Belgorod actually tank shell factories at night? Are the places in Severodonetsk where the homeless were being housed so dangerous to the Ukrainian war effort that it was worth using a HIMARS on them?

It's a war, not every place to get bombed is going to deserve it and innocent civilians are going to have 500kg of explosive filling dropped on them. This thread has been through the same retarded song and dance a million times before and I can't believe 8 months in people are still kvetching about it and acting like it's a meaningful point besides the basic "war isn't good".
 
With all this sperging about peace here's my retarded idea for peace.
-Russia gets to keep the land it claims is it's now.
-Ukraine gets to join NATO

Anyone who thinks this will end in Ukraine, and that as soon as any peace treaty is signed everything will be okay again is a grade A dumbass

You have shit like Medvedev getting ass mad about Kazakhstan not being supportive of the war and pointing out northern Kazakhstan has a sizable Russian population and CSTO being exposed as worth nothing by Russja leaving Armenia out to dry to deal with Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan going at it.

Putin didn't need to go for the whole pie, he could have easily had his little slice and he could have just focused on Donbass, he already sent troops in Donbass to help the separatists in 2014, but he got greedy, and if he didn't this thing would have had a high chance of being over by now, but instead he sperged out, wrote a fucking essay that says "Ukraine is fake country and is rightful Russian land!" that's required reading in the Russian military, and screamed "For Novorussia!" as he sent troops in an full on invasion of the entirety of Ukraine.
Interesting proposition. Problematic getting Russia to accept borders with NATO and Ukraine letting go of so much land, especially after they lost so many people and infrastructure.
Would ultimately be up to the leadership to negotiate.
 
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Are the sidewalks in Donetsk actually undercover IFV factories, and are the houses in Belgorod actually tank shell factories at night? Are the places in Severodonetsk where the homeless were being housed so dangerous to the Ukrainian war effort that it was worth using HIMARS on them?

It's a war, not every place to get bombed is going to deserve it.
100k USD missile on a homeless shelter... in a town that was fought over for like two months?
 
100k USD missile on a homeless shelter... in a town that was fought over for like two months?
"We went to the city by ourselves, on two SUVs and gazelles, which were loaded with heaters. Themselves, because at the time of loading the truck in Donetsk, information came that we had retreated from the Estuary, the front was approaching Lisichansk, and the drivers refused to go there.
But we promised and that's why we went.
Special thanks to the real men from the Night Wolves of Donbass for giving shelter at their base in Lugansk and escorting them to Severodonetsk.
Having unloaded the heaters in the administration, we talked with the mayor of the city. A strong and honest man who fights for the city no matter what.

However, the situation is as follows:
- The Severodonetsk Nitrogen was launched, it was decided to conduct heating from it - Hymers bombed the heating station.
- The former UN building was repaired, creating a housing and utilities headquarters there for companies that received a contract to restore houses: apartment glazing and heating wiring - the building was bombed by Hymers.
- They made a public free canteen from a restaurant where 2 thousand people were fed - the building was bombed by Hymers.
To the question: "why are you sitting here in the building, it's dangerous, isn't it?", he replied: "and in any case, they will arrive, they beat very accurately, and you need to sit somewhere."

The HIMARS use is, in any case, a detail and a meaningless one at that. What's important is that these places were bombed.
 
This is probably the most recent, prominent, American in a Ukie uniform engaging in combat who is also "former" military.
Not really. Should be easily provable by some autismus supremus if anyone is dedicated enough to look him up.
Until disproven, it seems just a random gringo that probably loved Ukrainian pussy so much that he considers it his adoptive country. With female amerifat levels through the roof, many such cases in East Europe.
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Are you really trying to argue that the Russians of all people won't be able to handle cold weather or have any plans for it?
Right of course, because Russians are actually a different species with fur and special blood who can somehow survive in sub-zero temperatures just fine. Lol.

I'm sorry but if Russian soldiers don't have warm gear, they will freeze to death. Which is why they are being told to buy it themselves, they'll need it, and unfortunately the army doesn't have it for them because it's all been stolen (if it ever made it to the storehouses at all). Corruption has fucked the troops.

As for your previous comment, no the West will not freeze to death. Europe's gas reserves were filled weeks ago. Norway has built a pipeline to Poland. LNG platforms have been set up near Germany. Europe has plenty of coal and are reactivating old coal power plants. Nuke plants are being kept online.

Cope in your alternate reality where Russia has all the cards and everyone else is incompetent, despite direct evidence to the contrary.
 
Right, serious question. What exactly does Russia think they have to gain from flinging missiles at civilian targets in an autistic tard rage?

I was heavily on the negotiated peace side, and now even I'm not so sure.
Intimidation, PR victories at home, and damage to Ukies' infrastructure to hamper their war effort. On the other hand, these strikes could come at the cost of strengthening Ukrainian's and NATO's resolve. Germans are already ramping up support and their rhetoric.
I think that these rockets would be much better used to soften targets before the offensive. Strikes on all major cities mean that Russia either has plenty rockets to spare, or they are unable to launch major offensives anytime soon and are going for intimidation. I have seen theories floated that Russians did this to probe Ukrainian defense systems. I am skeptical, as Ukrainians managed to hide their defenses rather well so far. Using rockets just for that is kind of wasteful in my eyes.

Either way I'm not very optimistic about nukes not being used, though like I said, I don't think MAD will be *intentional*
Based on Kahn's escalation ladder, Russia still has plenty of options. Right now we are around rung 12. Escalation Ladder was created during cold war, so there are more rungs today. We could see wide scale cyber attacks or perhaps even EMP weapons, if Russia really has them, before nukes start flying.
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I don't think that even a tactical nuke is likely at this point. Tactical nukes are good to eliminate large amount of troops, equipment, or buildings at single location. That, or as a threat to pressure the enemy. Ukrainian forces tend to be dispersed and work in small groups from what I have seen. That disincentives usage of these weapons in this conflict, especially since Russians would lose one of their favorite threats. What's worse, using nukes would most likely lead to NATO getting involved hands on. Poland and Balts could get nukes through NATO's sharing program.
Nukes would probably upset China. With nuclear taboo broken, some nations would abandon nuclear non proliferation treaty to ensure their own sovereignty. Taiwan, Vietnam, Japan, South Korea, and maybe Philippines would scramble to get Nukes of their own. Pakistan and India might start nuking each other. China is allied with Pakistan. They would have to step in to help, or let Pakistanis get overrun by India eventually and then have one fewer ally to keep India occupied with. China would suffer a major loss of face militarily and diplomatically for sitting out that conflict. That would be costly at home, and China might lose allies who expected military aid.
Last thing to note is that Ukraine struck Belogrod - a city everyone agrees is inside of Russia. Even that did not motivate Kremlin to use Nukes.

At this point, can anyone seriously win the war without it easily being argued the victory was pyrrhic in nature? Ukraine is fucked since their deep in debt, much of their shit is destroyed, and millions of their population left the country, Russia is fucked because they underestimated their regional allies willingness to abandon them for countries like China, and will now have to be China's resource dump.
Ukraine has Western resources on its side. Western Europe was rebuilt rather quickly after WW2. By early 50s you would have never guessed that Eastern France or London were damaged in war and their infrastructures were better than before WW2 started. That was accomplished nearly 100 years ago. Ukraine would have a tough couple of years but decade after the end of the war they would be on a path to catch up with the west. Much like the former Eastern Block nations after they escaped Russia's orbit and got through painful 90s.
 
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