Incel and Lonely Men Debate thread - Defend men giving up or tell them otherwise

[DavidS877]

I'm gonna tell you guys the secret to getting a girl.

Don't tell anyone.

This is a really big secret. I shouldn't even be talking about it here, because the chad cabal might eject me from their inner circle.

but here it is

Be physically active and work hard at something.

"Be attractive, don't be unattractive, be rich." Pick 2.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

Be physically active and work hard at something.

But I didn't do either of those. The real secret is to find a woman without friends or social media.

 

[Mr Bunny]

But I didn't do either of those. The real secret is to find a woman without friends or social media.

Or just hit any women over the head with a club and take her back to your hole. Worked for me, worked for my dad and his dad before him ect ect.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Or just hit any women over the head with a club and take her back to your hole. Worked for me, worked for my dad and his dad before him ect ect.

Yeah but we're not all rabbits.

 

[Mr Bunny]

Yeah but we're not all rabbits.

What if you did it to a playboy bunny?

 

[Car Won't Crank]

What if you did it to a playboy bunny?

I once did back when I was into Miatas. I've grown past that now.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Inceldom is virtually nonexistent in the Middle East. If you can't find a wife yourself, your family will arrange you to marry one of your cousins.

"By allah, you want to marry my daughter but you still watch the haram oriental cartoons and do not have a job . I rather look for a wealthy Chad that will give me tall and handsome grandchildren, inshallah "

 

[Land of Noz]

I think people in this thread are misunderstanding the concept of an incel. The people who frequent incel forums (places like Incels.is or formerly r/incels or r/braincels on reddit) would say that if you can get a gf simply by practicing basic hygiene and not being overweight, then you aren't a "truecel" but instead, a "fakecel". I tend to agree with this concept. Also, it should be noted, if you've ever gone outside, there are plenty of fat and gross dudes who manage to have girlfriends. Simply bathing and taking care of your health is not necessarily enough.

It's clear to me that technology and online dating/swipe apps has played a major part in the rise of incels. We've seen statistics earlier in the thread. Something like 30% of men under 30 qualify as incels now. 10+ years ago you were talking about maybe 5% of men who were exceptionally ugly or weird, but now it's more like 30-40%. That's a big leap, and I'd wager that men haven't gotten orders of magnitude worse in a decade, but the standards of women have been inflated due to social media and online dating.

A single woman friend of mine recently posted a meme on fb

Disregard the cringe before the meme, I found this on reddit, but it's the same meme that a 30 year old woman I know recently shared on facebook. That is the reality for most women these days. I remember when I was dating my ex, who was my first gf in a few years, she was constantly getting texted and dm'd by a litany of guys. Most of the time she'd just ignore them and not respond, but it didn't matter, they kept coming. And she was cute, but not like a supermodel or anything. Point being that this is what the dating scene is like these days. Women have higher standards because electronic communication and social media means that most of them have 10-100 different men constantly vying for their attention. If you don't think this is producing results for single people who are dating then you're absolutely delusional.

In all honestly I am 30 and I get the sense that I'm one of the younger people posting on this thread. If you haven't dated in the last 5 or 10 years then your opinion here really is not relevant

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

This is probably the most sensible advice for any unironic incel or lonley dude: get normalish hobbies and use them to meet other people and socialize with them in an environment you are comfortable in. Don't sperg out about anime or metal or some shit but if you meet a girl that way, talk about her interests and find some common ground both of you share. That can lead to deeper more meaningful conversations.

I am not being sarcastic with this question: Define "normalish hobbies" in context. Because I always felt like I never understood what kind of hobbies women have.

 

[9Style]

I am not being sarcastic with this question: Define "normalish hobbies" in context. Because I always felt like I never understood what kind of hobbies women have.

My sister is the biggest normie ever her hobbies are:

Watching Netflix
Going to an activity class craft/winery/boxer-cise etc
Going on trip overseas
Going to a Movie/concert/restaurant

She doesn't have any preferences or favorites, she just goes with what shes heard is the big thing lately online.

If all the Womens sites told her Nazi cosplay was the big thing, she probably go do it for a day.

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

I am not being sarcastic with this question: Define "normalish hobbies" in context. Because I always felt like I never understood what kind of hobbies women have.

For me this is:
Playing guitar and maybe staring a band or getting into a certain type of music, creative writing, DIY stuff with computers, microcontrollers and/or cars, having a small circle of friends to play fighting games with (nothing to crazy with the TnA. Tekken and Soul Calibur is where I draw the line personally), cooking, lifting weights, running, reading books about math, science and various other subjects and cultures. Basically shit that shows you have many interests and are a well rounded person.

Like @Land of Noz said, these are pretty tame hobbies that in the 2000s or early 2010s, would have not been super out of place for the most part and probably would help on finding a woman. The problem is they are active hobbies for the most part and most women nowadays would find me to be weird for doing one or any combination of them.

When it comes to women, I have no idea what their hobbies are other than gossip and things that are pretty mentally passive. It's why I've stopped really looking for a woman fpr the most part: other than their appearance, I see nothing much attractive about them. Sure being cute with good tits and firm ass is a plus, but if there is no fire in a womans soul and no spark in her mind, there's no reason to go bother myself with interactions with her. I'm not even saying she has to have my interests, just something that shows character and personality development. I know that this is going to make it hard to find a woman in the first place, but what is the point ik pursuing a relationship when there's nothing you find worth pursuing? Anyways, like my username suggests, I prefer tomboys and nerdy girls so naturally, I would do things where I could find them in their natural habitat. Of course I also like these things for what they are but it helps when looking for your type of chick. I doubt I could find your average woman in the clubs or hobby groups I go to.

 

[RMQualtrough]

Happiness is found in acceptance. Stop fighting who or what you are. If you are who you are and nobody shows interest in you, then accept yourself as being completely alone.

Also check that you're actually meeting people similar to you. I kept trying to fit in with more ghetto crowds because "the MTV" made me think that's what's high value or w.e... But I'm actually like, a rich-kid. Me trynna be ghetto or going to ghetto locations is like prince William getting a tattoo sleeve or some shit.

Had to realize this, and start going to appropriate places for myself with other well off people.

 

[Wesley Willis]

I think people in this thread are misunderstanding the concept of an incel. The people who frequent incel forums (places like Incels.is or formerly r/incels or r/braincels on reddit) would say that if you can get a gf simply by practicing basic hygiene and not being overweight, then you aren't a "truecel" but instead, a "fakecel". I tend to agree with this concept. Also, it should be noted, if you've ever gone outside, there are plenty of fat and gross dudes who manage to have girlfriends. Simply bathing and taking care of your health is not necessarily enough.

It's clear to me that technology and online dating/swipe apps has played a major part in the rise of incels. We've seen statistics earlier in the thread. Something like 30% of men under 30 qualify as incels now. 10+ years ago you were talking about maybe 5% of men who were exceptionally ugly or weird, but now it's more like 30-40%. That's a big leap, and I'd wager that men haven't gotten orders of magnitude worse in a decade, but the standards of women have been inflated due to social media and online dating.

A single woman friend of mine recently posted a meme on fb View attachment 3640116

Disregard the cringe before the meme, I found this on reddit, but it's the same meme that a 30 year old woman I know recently shared on facebook. That is the reality for most women these days. I remember when I was dating my ex, who was my first gf in a few years, she was constantly getting texted and dm'd by a litany of guys. Most of the time she'd just ignore them and not respond, but it didn't matter, they kept coming. And she was cute, but not like a supermodel or anything. Point being that this is what the dating scene is like these days. Women have higher standards because electronic communication and social media means that most of them have 10-100 different men constantly vying for their attention. If you don't think this is producing results for single people who are dating then you're absolutely delusional.

In all honestly I am 30 and I get the sense that I'm one of the younger people posting on this thread. If you haven't dated in the last 5 or 10 years then your opinion here really is not relevant

Using garbage stats from some dumb app is not a replacement for life experience. This applies to all subcultures on the web. The real reality is that dating apps are a business, much like the rest of the internet. Algorithms are there to manipulate you and mine data. They do not serve as a social barometer or predict human behavior. Most of the profiles are fake, and so are most of the people.

 

[Ser Prize]

But I didn't do either of those. The real secret is to find a woman without friends or social media.

If she doesn't have friends or social media how do you even meet her?

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

If she doesn't have friends or social media how do you even meet her?

I think he meant female friends or at least younger female friends. Young women are so oversocialized it's not even funny. Look at your crush's friends and if they don't gel with you, you already know it isn't going to work out.

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

I think people in this thread are misunderstanding the concept of an incel. The people who frequent incel forums (places like Incels.is or formerly r/incels or r/braincels on reddit) would say that if you can get a gf simply by practicing basic hygiene and not being overweight, then you aren't a "truecel" but instead, a "fakecel". I tend to agree with this concept. Also, it should be noted, if you've ever gone outside, there are plenty of fat and gross dudes who manage to have girlfriends. Simply bathing and taking care of your health is not necessarily enough.

It's clear to me that technology and online dating/swipe apps has played a major part in the rise of incels. We've seen statistics earlier in the thread. Something like 30% of men under 30 qualify as incels now. 10+ years ago you were talking about maybe 5% of men who were exceptionally ugly or weird, but now it's more like 30-40%. That's a big leap, and I'd wager that men haven't gotten orders of magnitude worse in a decade, but the standards of women have been inflated due to social media and online dating.

A single woman friend of mine recently posted a meme on fb View attachment 3640116

Disregard the cringe before the meme, I found this on reddit, but it's the same meme that a 30 year old woman I know recently shared on facebook. That is the reality for most women these days. I remember when I was dating my ex, who was my first gf in a few years, she was constantly getting texted and dm'd by a litany of guys. Most of the time she'd just ignore them and not respond, but it didn't matter, they kept coming. And she was cute, but not like a supermodel or anything. Point being that this is what the dating scene is like these days. Women have higher standards because electronic communication and social media means that most of them have 10-100 different men constantly vying for their attention. If you don't think this is producing results for single people who are dating then you're absolutely delusional.

In all honestly I am 30 and I get the sense that I'm one of the younger people posting on this thread. If you haven't dated in the last 5 or 10 years then your opinion here really is not relevant

Thank you for this post, boomers will never understand the hellscape the sexual revolution has created.

For me this is:
Playing guitar and maybe staring a band or getting into a certain type of music, creative writing, DIY stuff with computers, microcontrollers and/or cars, having a small circle of friends to play fighting games with (nothing to crazy with the TnA. Tekken and Soul Calibur is where I draw the line personally), cooking, lifting weights, running, reading books about math, science and various other subjects and cultures. Basically shit that shows you have many interests and are a well rounded person.

Like @Land of Noz said, these are pretty tame hobbies that in the 2000s or early 2010s, would have not been super out of place for the most part and probably would help on finding a woman. The problem is they are active hobbies for the most part and most women nowadays would find me to be weird for doing one or any combination of them.

When it comes to women, I have no idea what their hobbies are other than gossip and things that are pretty mentally passive. It's why I've stopped really looking for a woman fpr the most part: other than their appearance, I see nothing much attractive about them. Sure being cute with good tits and firm ass is a plus, but if there is no fire in a womans soul and no spark in her mind, there's no reason to go bother myself with interactions with her. I'm not even saying she has to have my interests, just something that shows character and personality development. I know that this is going to make it hard to find a woman in the first place, but what is the point ik pursuing a relationship when there's nothing you find worth pursuing? Anyways, like my username suggests, I prefer tomboys and nerdy girls so naturally, I would do things where I could find them in their natural habitat. Of course I also like these things for what they are but it helps when looking for your type of chick. I doubt I could find your average woman in the clubs or hobby groups I go to.

As far as I can tell the only hobby women have today is social media, specifically tiktok at the moment.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

I think people in this thread are misunderstanding the concept of an incel. The people who frequent incel forums (places like Incels.is or formerly r/incels or r/braincels on reddit) would say that if you can get a gf simply by practicing basic hygiene and not being overweight, then you aren't a "truecel" but instead, a "fakecel". I tend to agree with this concept. Also, it should be noted, if you've ever gone outside, there are plenty of fat and gross dudes who manage to have girlfriends. Simply bathing and taking care of your health is not necessarily enough.

It's clear to me that technology and online dating/swipe apps has played a major part in the rise of incels. We've seen statistics earlier in the thread. Something like 30% of men under 30 qualify as incels now. 10+ years ago you were talking about maybe 5% of men who were exceptionally ugly or weird, but now it's more like 30-40%. That's a big leap, and I'd wager that men haven't gotten orders of magnitude worse in a decade, but the standards of women have been inflated due to social media and online dating.

A single woman friend of mine recently posted a meme on fb View attachment 3640116

Disregard the cringe before the meme, I found this on reddit, but it's the same meme that a 30 year old woman I know recently shared on facebook. That is the reality for most women these days. I remember when I was dating my ex, who was my first gf in a few years, she was constantly getting texted and dm'd by a litany of guys. Most of the time she'd just ignore them and not respond, but it didn't matter, they kept coming. And she was cute, but not like a supermodel or anything. Point being that this is what the dating scene is like these days. Women have higher standards because electronic communication and social media means that most of them have 10-100 different men constantly vying for their attention. If you don't think this is producing results for single people who are dating then you're absolutely delusional.

In all honestly I am 30 and I get the sense that I'm one of the younger people posting on this thread. If you haven't dated in the last 5 or 10 years then your opinion here really is not relevant

I find your scenario a bit odd. I understand women get hit on a lot, especially if they're even slightly above average. But why was your girl in a position that tons of guys could get her number? Regardless of whether she was engaging with them or not, that's humongous red flag.

Not signaling you out, God knows I've been responsible for this too, but I think a major factor in the incel problem is that a lot of younger guys are really bad at picking up on red flags. Why this is the case could be it's own thread, but to me there seems to be an epidemic of young men being completely clueless on how to spot women's bullshit. As a result it's a self fulfilling prophecy, they think they're dating good girls and get blindsided when they get fucked over. Bing bang boom you got yourself a new black pilled incel.

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

I find your scenario a bit odd. I understand women get hit on a lot, especially if they're even slightly above average. But why was your girl in a position that tons of guys could get her number? Regardless of whether she was engaging with them or not, that's humongous red flag.

Not signaling you out, God knows I've been responsible for this too, but I think a major factor in the incel problem is that a lot of younger guys are really bad at picking up on red flags. Why this is the case could be it's own thread, but to me there seems to be an epidemic of young men being completely clueless on how to spot women's bullshit. As a result it's a self fulfilling prophecy, they think they're dating good girls and get blindsided when they get fucked over. Bing bang boom you got yourself a new black pilled incel.

You don't need a girls number, all you need is a snapchat or Facebook account and you have access to 90% of the young women in your area. Whether they give some random dude the time of day is up to them, but that doesn't stop the fellas from thirsting. Women who are average or below average receive unsolicited dick pics and messages from random dudes on a semi frequent basis if they have their dm's open.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

You don't need a girls number, all you need is a snapchat or Facebook account and you have access to 90% of the young women in your area.

That's the thing though, women are not stupid about how male attention works. They know why they're getting a bunch of dms and they know how to stop it if they want to. If a woman is getting a bunch of unsolicited advances and does nothing to curtail it, she enjoys it on some level. It's like women who wear low cut shirts and pretend to not know why they get so much attention. They know full well what's going on and they enjoy it, but act ignorant to avoid the social repercussions of being an attention whore. Same thing with the dms, they may pretend to hate it but if they leave their dms open anyway then they're enjoying the attention. That's a huge red flag.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

Thank you for this post, boomers will never understand the hellscape the sexual revolution has created.

That's nonsense. If anything women are the thing that has changed the least, and I was born in the early 90s, so not some retarded boomer.

The standards of women haven't increased, if anything they seem more receptive than ever. However since humanity has existed, what they've needed is a sense of security and someone who they feel like they can trust to look out for them, which they absolutely can't with incels.
If incels were trustworthy, they'd acknowledge getting a woman to like them is the least of their problems, and they'd be extremely hesitant about the idea of taking on a partner who they can't take care of.

If you're a man who acts like a man who makes the people around you feel secure, women will like you. That's natural, that's how it's supposed to work.
That's the issue though, is that we don't live in a time of security.

This isn't about the sexual revolution, the problem is much more prosaic and much harder to address. If a man is not established or capable of functioning in society, he can't take on a wife/serious partner.
Sane adults look for at least semi-serious relationships, but because of societal factors males around our age are still too broke and lacking in social security to partake in anything serious, and the ones who aren't broke are too castrated (sometimes literally) to function as men because the middle class is currently being bent over a fucking barrel.

This is a pervasive socioeconomic issue that's neutering the ability to form healthy, serious, secure relationships.

Not trying to act high and mighty or anything but even as a bit of a shut in weirdo I've encountered any number of very obviously interested women in the past couple years who seemed very nice who clearly wanted badly to be asked out, but as guilty as it makes you feel you can't do that. It isn't their fault, it's just being an adult and acknowledging the reality of the situation.