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[tehpope]

Even if they -convicted- Trump of a felony he could still run. Even if he was -behind bars- he could still run. Please look up Eugene V. Debs, a man arrested and convicted of -sedition- who was still able to run for President while still in prison.

This line is simply moronic against all historical precedence, the law, and any sort of actual merit.

So they're only playing to their audience then? Cause I don't think being in Jail would stop MAGA chuds from voting Trump. And the undecided won't vote for the party who are actively destroying the country.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Since this is A&N before anyone screams about JUST IN TIME being stupid. If you live in a world where supply chains function as they should, with secure and reliable transportation you can run lean and save money. managing, storing, and maintaining excess stock costs money.

This is the exact fucking cope that Communists use.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

I do believe not using the Death Penalty as well as many "bleeding heart" arguments against its use, is part of the reason why the justice system has been seen as a joke each passing year. And criminals in general feel more emboldened since many of the laws in many parts of the nation are being loosened at the same time.

Also many of those folks who oppose the Death Penalty had no problem with Democrats murdering civilians overseas as well or when Obama killed OBL but had an issue with it when Trump took down Baghdadi.

1 juror and after 4 years of the shooting lol.

This may sound dark, but I find it ironic that the same people discussing why there is no death penalty seem to go silent when Netflix managed to get a serial killer like Jeffery Dahmer the #2 most watched show on their platform.

It may not mean much, but it kind of speaks volumes as to how American society treats its criminals as the most glorified celebrities since the beginning of dawn.

 

[Gehenna]

I am tired of this line.

Even if they -convicted- Trump of a felony he could still run. Even if he was -behind bars- he could still run. Please look up Eugene V. Debs, a man arrested and convicted of -sedition- who was still able to run for President while still in prison.

This line is simply moronic against all historical precedence, the law, and any sort of actual merit.

Compounding this, let me explain something that apparently is lost on some people.

The constitution holds total supremacy over matters involving the president, both qualifications and powers. The states hold total supremacy over how to handle their elections, specifically their legislatures.

No act of the federal congress can add, remove, change, or in any way modify the qualifications and powers of the President. Only a constitutional amendment could. This is -well- established precedent and is a big reason why even the Democrats haven't tried to arrest Trump over merely having a bunch of records and not handing them over. Even -they- agree this is settled law. It's why we even -had- a raid. So that right there ends one of only two ways that Trump being convicted would do fuck all anything.

Right, second then would be the states. Can the states individually then do this? Maybe pass a law saying candidates who have convictions will not be placed on the ballot? Potentially yes. Though this would only really happen in blue states, would meet serious legal challenge, and would face a bigger issue.

So, the real big issue with this stupid theory?
Indictments.
Are.
Not.
Convictions.

Innocent Until Proven Guilty is baked into all of our legal frameworks, including elections. Any attempt to try to insert into law at the state level that an indictment would disqualify a candidate would be shot down as -their own- constitutions all universally explicitly prevent that. Meaning they would need to indict Trump -and- convict him... before the midterms. Because keep in mind above, federally this is -fucked-, they'd need to go the very sketchy and likely doomed route of getting states that matter to make it part of their laws. Before those states go red post midterms.

That is what, 5 separate massive, major, and lethal hurdles to make this stupid, moronic, and idiotic idea even have a possibility to function? Please, for the love of God, stop presenting this idea as if it has even the slightest of merit. It does not.

So they're only playing to their audience then? Cause I don't think being in Jail would stop MAGA chuds from voting Trump. And the undecided won't vote for the party who are actively destroying the country.

More or less, yes. The overall goal isn't some magical prevention of Trump running, but to put a big enough looming cloud over him to attempt to drive off independent support while providing ammo to the RINOs.

 

[northstar747]

This is the exact fucking cope that Communists use.

oh jesus look here is the book

Amazon.com: Toyota Production System: Beyond Large-Scale Production (Audible Audio Edition): Taiichi Ohno, Norman Bodek, Ralph Lowenstein, Productivity Press: Books

Amazon.com: Toyota Production System: Beyond Large-Scale Production (Audible Audio Edition): Taiichi Ohno, Norman Bodek, Ralph Lowenstein, Productivity Press: Books

www.amazon.com

Toyota Production System: Beyond Large-Scale Production​

Its not cope because you can and toyota does run a its factories using just in time/lean production etc. But yes when external issues prevent supply chains from wokring like say "global shortage/shut down/war" then maybe having a bunch of extra stock, or being less dependent on suppliers offshore, or when dock workers are striking dont seem like a such a bad idea.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

This line is simply moronic against all historical precedence, the law, and any sort of actual merit.

>law
>precedence
>mattering in 2022
Times have changed old man. Dems can literally do whatever the fuck they want now.

 

[Puff]

You can’t use your customers as a beta test with a car.

He seems to have done just that and gotten away with it.

 

[Gehenna]

>law
>precedence
>mattering in 2022
Times have changed old man. Dems can literally do whatever the fuck they want now.

Even they are obeying this one. Want proof?

The raid.

If they were going to try to use convictions to somehow prevent him running, they already have their case. Trump is in clear violation of the Presidential Records Act. Has been for over a year. They could have, at any time, brought him on on charges for it. Instead not only didn't they, they did a big showy raid to find -anything- they possibly could... except the records they already knew were there and Trump has admitted he has... and showed them.

 

[nym]

Trump is in clear violation of the Presidential Records Act.

Where exactly? from the photo someone took of ripped up paper in a toilet?
The real excuse he has is that he didn't do anything that every other President hasn't done;
that said, that Act differentiates between the President's personal stuff and his presidential stuff, his excuse to what I think you'd point to is pretty obvious, "shit I thought that was all personal, and as for the classified stuff, my staff knew I had a policy that anything I remove is considered to be declassified".

From everything I've read about it (nothing in the last month or so really), it was never clear he was ever violating any of that stuff -- it was just a bunch of Newsweeks and whatnots saying he was clearly in violation, ignoring the obvious excuses / reasonings why he wouldn't out of convenience.

 

[Sithis]

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Ummmmm - they DO realize that Musk is mainly the one fueling their electric car future, right?

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[Drag-on Knight 91873]

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So, who was picking up the Starlink tab this entire time? Ukraine? Not anymore given how they decided to tell off the guy who owns Starlink. The US? But they can print more money or write some bullshit bill to pay for it.

 

[Gehenna]

Where exactly? from the photo someone took of ripped up paper in a toilet?
The real excuse he has is that he didn't do anything that every other President hasn't done;
that said, that Act differentiates between the President's personal stuff and his presidential stuff, his excuse is pretty obvious, "shit I thought that was all personal, and as for the classified stuff, my staff knew I had a policy that anything I remove is considered to be declassified".

The Presidential Records Act has nothing to do with confidentiality, that's just what they pivoted to try to sneak in the Espionage Act. Trump has several copies of perfectly normal communications and files which are not copied and sent over to the Presidential Records. These are illegal to have as all Presidential Records are to be preserved.

Obama is currently violating the same act, he has an entire library of stuff they want.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

Even they are obeying this one. Want proof?

The raid.

If they were going to try to use convictions to somehow prevent him running, they already have their case. Trump is in clear violation of the Presidential Records Act. Has been for over a year. They could have, at any time, brought him on on charges for it. Instead not only didn't they, they did a big showy raid to find -anything- they possibly could... except the records they already knew were there and Trump has admitted he has... and showed them.

Fair, but I think the reason they don't go balls deep is because they're afraid of making him a martyr. I believe if they thought the could lock him up/kill him with major repercussions they would do it in a heartbeat.

Of course that could just be me being a cynic. I'm so black pilled at this point I assume the constitution is more valuable as toilet paper.

 

[Sithis]

So, who was picking up the Starlink tab this entire time? Ukraine? Not anymore given how they decided to tell off the guy who owns Starlink. The US? But they can print more money or write some bullshit bill to pay for it.

I was under the impression that Musk has been allowing Ukraine to use Starlink at his own expense and is now saying "alright fuck you guys, pay up" to the US government if they want him to keep letting the Ukrainians use his sat net.

 

[Gehenna]

Fair, but I think the reason they don't go balls deep is because they're afraid of making him a martyr. I believe if they thought the could lock him up/kill him with major repercussions they would do it in a heartbeat.

Of course that could just be me being a cynic. I'm so black pilled at this point I assume the constitution is more valuable as toilet paper.

The constitution has taken a beating, but it is not that devalued. The Democrats are working tirelessly to find ways around it... but they aren't actually wholescale ignoring it despite the feeling they are. Rather they keep finding very interesting and legally dubious workarounds. It's why Biden's admin cited legal grounds for its eviction moratorium or its attempt-to-be at debt relief. While clearly done with the intent of subverting the constitution they are in fact still trying to 'obey' it letter. They just are using the spirit of the document as toilet paper.

 

[NeroRisotto]

KEEP DOOMIN', DOOMIN', DOOMIN, DOOMIN' (uh)
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KEEP DOOMIN', DOOMIN', DOOMIN, DOOMIN' (uh)
KEEP DOOMIN', DOOMIN', DOOMIN, DOOMIN'

 

[Gehenna]

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I'd say this is in line with any realistic prediction of PA, so no dooming is required. I'd classify PA as Lean Blue, definitely not tossup.

 

[Fatboi Gus]

oh jesus look here is the book

Amazon.com: Toyota Production System: Beyond Large-Scale Production (Audible Audio Edition): Taiichi Ohno, Norman Bodek, Ralph Lowenstein, Productivity Press: Books

Amazon.com: Toyota Production System: Beyond Large-Scale Production (Audible Audio Edition): Taiichi Ohno, Norman Bodek, Ralph Lowenstein, Productivity Press: Books

www.amazon.com

Toyota Production System: Beyond Large-Scale Production​

Its not cope because you can and toyota does run a its factories using just in time/lean production etc. But yes when external issues prevent supply chains from wokring like say "global shortage/shut down/war" then maybe having a bunch of extra stock, or being less dependent on suppliers offshore, or when dock workers are striking dont seem like a such a bad idea.

To add to this, thinking that TPS is ONLY Just In Time is preposterous as it's oy a subset of the the larger system. It's aimed at reducing (excess) inventory waste. In classical TPS, there's another 6 waste types with various solutions/mitigation methods. You can think that Just In Time is stupid since it assumes a best case scenario without rejecting the rest of the system.

 

[Nol 2]

Its not cope because you can and toyota does run a its factories using just in time/lean production etc.

Just to shore up your point, its not just Toyota, that's how all modern manufacturing works now. Its a corner stone to reducing waste. It costs money to store stuff at best, at worst the design changes and you have to scrap all the stuff you already made.

 

[NeroRisotto]

I'd say this is in line with any realistic prediction of PA, so no dooming is required. I'd classify PA as Lean Blue, definitely not tossup.

Huh? I though PA was supposed to be purple. I mean, I remembered it took days to "find enough votes" for Biden to inch across the the finish line in that state.

Unless Shapiro is that centrist enough...