F.A.Qs about Jail, State Hospital, and Court

[AnOminous]

Not to my knowledge.

They aren't but sometimes "journalists" deliberately dox them to intimidate them into ruling the way they want, e.g. Chauvin case.

 

[Jon Osterman]

I wonder if this "pending" status could be the reason Chris hasn't been able to send letters to most people; essentially, while he's still technically in jail, he has a special status in the jail's system that prevents him from using the jail as an address for outgoing mail. Maybe he's still able to send mail to Praetor because they're in the system as an "approved contact" or whatever, preventing the jail from stopping him even during this weird temporary transfer status.

This might be too simple of an explanation, but if VINE says he's still in the custody of the jail then I don't see why he couldn't use their address.
I have no legal knowledge, but it could be that the jail is screening his mail to make sure he doesn't tell anyone where he's going for privacy concerns (if he tells people which tard home he's going to that home would then be sieged by weens).

 

[JanuaryViolet]

Are jurors a matter of public record before the verdict or conclusion of the trial?

Not to my knowledge.

They aren't but sometimes "journalists" deliberately dox them to intimidate them into ruling the way they want, e.g. Chauvin case.

Well, that, and some of them are stupid enough to actually speak to the press if they're not sequestered. Fastest way to fuck everything up.

 

[JanuaryViolet]

... it could be that the jail is screening his mail to make sure he doesn't tell anyone where he's going for privacy concerns (if he tells people which tard home he's going to that home would then be sieged by weens).

The jail staff has more to worry about than trying to screen his mail. It's more likely his attorney told him to cut it out or else.

 

[Cherenkovblue]

Is there any concise current stay of play regarding Chris?

Chris is subject to a Deferred Disposition for Autism (yes, that's a real thing). In effect, further proceedings have been suspended while he is placed in a treatment facility. His next scheduled hearing is on August 8, 2023, at which point they will decide if he has completed the terms of his deferral or not.

I take it he is still in the clink, but am I right to assume there is no further verdict, no public information on what they plan on doing with him, and no further trial date?

Since the case was sealed at the request of his lawyer (and with leave of the court) there will be no further updates -- like, for example, the contents of that letter dated September 9, 2022, from the Virginia Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services. Chris is either being held incommunicado or simply is not communicating with anybody. It is likely we won't hear anything until next year, at which time we may (depending on how things go) get the Second Trial of the Century we all wanted.

Edit--- I checked a couple of pages back, and yes, I think my answer is there.

OP really needs to update the first post, but I think he fucked off permanently.

Are jurors a matter of public record before the verdict or conclusion of the trial?

Absolutely not. Ever. Unless a juror comes forward you're never going to know. However, we didn't even get to jury selection, so it's irrelevant.

 

[Dambusters' Dog II]

OP really needs to update the first post, but I think he fucked off permanently.

Pointless Sperg was moderately troon-sympathising and left because of the first round of Keffals drama. He said that other people should update the OP if they want to here. I don't know how this can be done.

 

[Cherenkovblue]

Pointless Sperg was moderately troon-sympathising and left because of the first round of Keffals drama. He said that other people should update the OP if they want to here. I don't know how this can be done.

I would just post another thread and update it there but I am not 31337 enough for that apparently.

 

[Kyuss]

Can't they revoke that right of they have a probable cause for doing so?

Psychiatric/Detox inpatient facilities are the only way to break constitutional rights to mail or phone calls (outside contact general).
Prison is different and most adhere strictly to constitutional rights.

 

[Lou Sassle]

It's pretty likely he's back at the tard facility being evaluated to find out if he's a danger to himself and others or a flight risk.

If we're lucky the Hamboiler's excommunication letter got to him right be he went and he had an epic chimp out the likes of which have never been seen at CVRJ.

 

[Kyuss]

It's pretty likely he's back at the tard facility being evaluated to find out if he's a danger to himself and others or a flight risk.

It's going to drive him crazier than Prison.
If he is in an inpatient program (which I personally believe is likely, but it's still just speculation) it's horrible. Detox security isn't bad. You can still play cards, talk to people, have some phone privileges, television. Heck one guy even had a guitar.
Big boy inpatient is a completely different beast. You're often required to take thorazine (something optional in detox security level) so everyone is zombified constantly. Nothing overtly stimulating on television. Since most people in real inpatient are broken they often aren't capable of holding engaging conversation or playing games with. It's effectively you dazed day after day waiting for your next appointment.
If Chris is lucky he will get crayons to draw with, not unreasonable, but that's about it.
Slightest chance he will be considered a non-violent and put into detox security. Also not unreasonable, but they still don't fuck around. They have the padded "time out" cells just the same and aren't afraid to use them. You see a guy on day two of an alcohol withdrawal and he hasn't gotten his pills you'd know what I mean.
They can also keep him indefinitely also, a lot of states will not release someone from inpatient that will be homeless upon release. You are either functional (which most released from detox return within a two year period), have a care-taker, or are not functional.

 

[Skitterways]

Psychiatric/Detox inpatient facilities are the only way to break constitutional rights to mail or phone calls (outside contact general).
Prison is different and most adhere strictly to constitutional rights.

Yet most inpatient psychiatric facilities and inpatient detox, (not rehab because that's a step down from detox) will allow phone calls and visitation because these are very helpful in positively engaging a person and motivating them in their treatment. Contact also encourages the patient's support system not to abandon hope in the patient. Contact will be limited to a select few. The facility I worked inpatient psychiatric care and later detox at limited phone calls to a select few and they were monitored for inappropriate content. Calls weren't eavesdropped on, but the response to them was and intervention occurred when appropriate. ie: An inpatient becoming belligerent, etc.

It's going to drive him crazier than Prison.
If he is in an inpatient program (which I personally believe is likely, but it's still just speculation) it's horrible. Detox security isn't bad. You can still play cards, talk to people, have some phone privileges, television. Heck one guy even had a guitar.
Big boy inpatient is a completely different beast. You're often required to take thorazine (something optional in detox security level) so everyone is zombified constantly. Nothing overtly stimulating on television. Since most people in real inpatient are broken they often aren't capable of holding engaging conversation or playing games with. It's effectively you dazed day after day waiting for your next appointment.
If Chris is lucky he will get crayons to draw with, not unreasonable, but that's about it.
Slightest chance he will be considered a non-violent and put into detox security. Also not unreasonable, but they still don't fuck around. They have the padded "time out" cells just the same and aren't afraid to use them. You see a guy on day two of an alcohol withdrawal and he hasn't gotten his pills you'd know what I mean.
They can also keep him indefinitely also, a lot of states will not release someone from inpatient that will be homeless upon release. You are either functional (which most released from detox return within a two year period), have a care-taker, or are not functional.

Holy crap, where do I begin with this statement?

A lot of addicts would go to inpatient detox/psychiatric care because it was kinder and gentler then jail/prison when they knew warrants were out for them. Jail/prison would let you shake and shit yourself so long as basic medical care was provided under law, but inpatient detox/psychiatric care would evaluate/medicate and communicate with local law enforcement on the patient's behalf. (Trust me, jail/prison would rather deal with detoxed you, then with you in withdrawals.) The agreement was that once a wanted individual was detoxed and stable, they would be released to law enforcement. A winning situation for all.

Thorazine is a very old school anti-psychotic that is rarely used; it's used for intractable hiccups or for very short term patient intervention if they don't respond to other medication. Most facilities don't want patients "zombified", they want active participants and use newer medications. Actively partipating patients and with their support system intact equal better outcomes!

All inpatient facilites have "padded" or seclusion rooms. If a patient is actively endangering themselves or others they will be placed into a seclusion room under 24 hour observation. This means a staff member must watch them every second they are in that seclusion room. Once the patient can "contract for safety" (agree not to harm themselves or others) they are released. The best thing about working detox....they should have the lowest secluson room rates if managed well.

How to manage a detox unit well equals preventing the delirium tremens (DTs). How is this done? Assessment and medication as appropriate prevents the DTs. DTs either present as seizures or acting bat shit crazy. A CIWA scale followed every 2 hours with medication as needed prevents DTs. Usually a CIWA scale is followed for one to two weeks depending on the patient and their usage history. A guy on day day two of alcohol withdrawal will most certainly 'get his pills' and if the response is poor his pills will be increased or changed. (Benzodiazepines are usually used for alcohol detox BTW.)

Why would Chris Chan be put in detox ever? Is he addicted to a substance needing close medical monitoring? No. Where are you getting your information? Also the states I have worked in (one is Virginia) cannot keep a patient indefinitely. Others here have posted that Virginia has new laws that Chris Chan's lawyer has contributed significantly to to prevent homelessness in the mentally ill or intellectually disabled.

 

[BobJones997]

It's pretty likely he's back at the tard facility being evaluated to find out if he's a danger to himself and others or a flight risk.

If we're lucky the Hamboiler's excommunication letter got to him right be he went and he had an epic chimp out the likes of which have never been seen at CVRJ.

He's still in jail until Vinelink says otherwise (unless he was just recently moved and it hasn't updated).

 

[Kyuss]

1. Thorazine is still very much regularly prescribed. It's the most common medicines given in any MH inpatient facility. As it has little to no side effects outside of CNS depression. Which unless there is a drug reaction with an already established medication you're taking there is no reason at all the average person would not be able to take Thorazine safely until a new baseline medication is established.
2. Are you seriously suggesting one of the systems with the most relapses and failures on the planet actually cares about its people and isn't just another form of prison system to make money? Let me guess you think prison rehabilitates people also.
3. Inpatient in USA is for violent offenders and non-functionals. If you're put into inpatient it's because you can not be without monitoring at all. Detox regularly holds people who are not there for drug addiction. If you're just needing your mental health assessed or if you're on 24 hour suicide watch. They are going to put you in Detox. The VA healthcare system is the largest healthcare system in The USA and their detox centers house the majority of patients. Including those not currently detoxing from drugs. The VA clinics are regularly used by the states because there are not enough clinics in any given state to house most the patients. At any given moment over half the patients in The VA MH clinics are not veterans at all.
So unless you're willing to show me your VA ID card, doxing yourself on the internet. Excuse me if I don't take what you did at "your clinic" as the norm.
4. "Someone must watch over the patient in the seclusion room." Wrong again, they have a camera that watches the seclusion room and they are only required to check it every few minutes. It's no different than bed checks that happen every 30 minutes or one hour depending on which inpatient program you belong to. Once again The VA is the leading healthcare system and is the majority of inpatient facilities in the country. Your SOP is not standard.
Simply put, I don't believe your inpatient is somehow special that it's the standard to which all other inpatients adhere to.
Even your understanding of DT treatment sounds too textbook like it was read off the internet.
There is a huge difference between someone having a literal seizure and a man who has spent the last 10+ years drinking daily and can't even sleep without alcohol. As early as a day in they start getting a little uppity and it has nothing to do with the physical addictions.

 

[Jon Osterman]

Slightest chance he will be considered a non-violent and put into detox security

Chris hasn't had any sperg outs in jail really, only that one outburst in Western. Maybe the detox definition is different, but I don't see why he wouldn't be considered non-violent unless they're really careful with anyone who even has the slightest chance of sexually assaulting another patient.

 

[Kyuss]

Maybe the detox definition is different

Detox isn't the appropriate describer for it, but I already am using VA MH clinic as my personal experience in the matter so I'll need to double down. It's effectively low-risk inpatient. Persons who are either having substance abuse problems, but are non-violent. non-violent to other self-harmers. Medicinally induced psychosis from recreational drug or prescription (this is what I was put in for 24 hour mandatory ward of the state), people with domestic disturbances that are deemed temporary due to obvious disturbances (death in the family that could create temporary insanity for example).
The problem is Chris does not fit the criteria for the high-risk inpatient. He does not need constant care, he does not need constant watch as regular suicide risk, he has never even been in a fight. Even his crime is by definition non-violent as either Barb consented or she didn't. If she didn't consent this wouldn't even be a debate. He would of been thrown to the wolves. No judge would try to protect him.
A behavioral therapy clinic is the nearest comparison I can think of that fits what Chris needs and is comparable to the same level as Detox security.
You walk in, door opens, you go in, door locks.
After that it's pretty standard, wake up in the morning, take medicine, eat breakfast, do therapy, lunch, activity time, group therapy, dinner, free time, bed (if you can sleep) if not just stay up doing whatever. I personally think it's worse than prison.
Therapy sessions are an absolute joke, people who aren't broken and have no understanding of what you're going through trying to "help you". Medications often cause as much issues as they fix (trading one thing for another).
If anyone ever thinks Chris getting therapy will help him, they are in for a rude awakening.
They will try to medicate him and they will try to do the same level of cognitive behavioral therapy they give everyone.
Chris needs straight up MKUltra, he needs to be reprogrammed entirely with a strict regiment and treated effectively like a dog being trained for years. With zero internet or phone access.
The probability of successful rehabilitation inversely correlates with age. So the older you are the more impossible it becomes to truly change who you are inherently. So the methods for change must follow levels of escalation. He has to be broken down entirely and remade in much the same way a boy was made a man in the military decades ago.
If they treat him too lax he will just break the conditioning when he returns to the real world and go back in his own ways.
CBT is a joke with how modern therapist do it. You'll see things like "75% success rate for helping people cope with depression."
They cherry pick entirely how they read these results.
Depression ranges from a few times a year up to multiple days, weeks, months.
CBT also inversely correlates with its success rate. In the milder a few times a year it has roughly a 50-85% success rate for coping with depression.
As soon as it jumps up to a few weeks a year it drops closer to 35-40%. People with serious problems do not respond well to CBT and it's the primary go to for most therapist.
And that's just an issue with depression. Imagine the slew of issues Chris has and how many different fronts he needs have attuned to fix him.

 

[Jon Osterman]

Chris needs straight up MKUltra, he needs to be reprogrammed entirely with a strict regiment and treated effectively like a dog being trained for years

I wonder if Chris could somehow resist reprogramming. Sure the Idea Guys fucked him up pretty badly, but he then essentially took over their programming and made it his own. The Merge and CPU goddess shit was almost entirely cooked up by him iirc, rewriting what the Idea Guys made into his own stupidity. Granted this is comparing the efforts of two idiots with the entire US government, but Chris is so far gone into his madness that he could probably create some split personality to shield his actual self from the effects. After they're done and think they made Chris into a model citizen, he just transforms right back into his CPU Goddess form.

 

[Male Idiot]

I wonder if Chris could somehow resist reprogramming. Sure the Idea Guys fucked him up pretty badly, but he then essentially took over their programming and made it his own. The Merge and CPU goddess shit was almost entirely cooked up by him iirc, rewriting what the Idea Guys made into his own stupidity. Granted this is comparing the efforts of two idiots with the entire US government, but Chris is so far gone into his madness that he could probably create some split personality to shield his actual self from the effects. After they're done and think they made Chris into a model citizen, he just transforms right back into his CPU Goddess form.

The entire US government? Biden and Chris, the crossover the world needs.

Sonichu will defeat Russia to the extreme!

 

[Pickle Inspector]

If Chris is in psychiatric care I wonder if he’s one of those autistic people lost in the system and will end up 10-20 years there (It happens in the UK anyway so I assume there’s similar cases in the US).

Particularly because he doesn’t have any family who want him out and I doubt state services want to take responsibility for an trans autistic lolcow (assumed) rapist who has a built in media circus if they don’t have to.

 

[Tangie]

If Chris is in psychiatric care I wonder if he’s one of those autistic people lost in the system and will end up 10-20 years there (It happens in the UK anyway so I assume there’s similar cases in the US).

Particularly because he doesn’t have any family who want him out and I doubt state services want to take responsibility for an trans autistic lolcow (assumed) rapist who has a built in media circus if they don’t have to.

They know he has nowhere to go. His sperg out at Western only further verified that he is too far gone for the judge and lawyers. Meaning, they will hold him up in the system for as long as possible. Which is easy to do when that is literally the best place for him. He will rape a ween when he gets out because he really has nothing to lose now.

He could be in longer than 5 years. Does anyone know if that autistic law that applied in his case has writing he can be held for 5+ years? Chris has already been in a mental hospital and is most likely going back, if you are ruled insane can they hold you forever?

Edit: appears he could be in for life

Pleading Insanity in a Criminal Case

A successful insanity defense usually results in many years of mandatory treatment in a mental hospital, not a free ride out of jail.

www.criminaldefenselawyer.com

 

[Tangie]

Sorry for double posting but a curious thought: would Null ever come in to testify if he got subpoenaed for Chris’s trial? I’m not even sure they’d be able to find him much less get him to come in.