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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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but again, what kind of black market demand is there for those parts?
like, if you steal a hundred AK rifles and a dozen crates full of 7.62x39 ammo for them, great! every warlord, rebel group or criminal organisation on the planet will be happy to get their hands on a shipment like that, and lots of random civilians will also be happy to buy a nice rifle like that.
but who the fuck is looking to buy spare parts from old soviet tanks? that stuff is useless to anybody except actual state militaries who operate the same tank, and those don't need to go through black markets because they can legally buy such parts from the official producers in russia.
Myself and other collectors would be most interested. I have the complete and working NV and fire control system from a T-55 that they're welcome to buy back.
Or scavenge parts from these beasties near Strasbourg that I explored a few months ago -
 
Only the management style known as Russian Fatalism would crane a backhoe on to a bridge span held up by hopes and dreams. Even the In sha'Allah types would blush at that. The main member of rail bridge between between the crispy pillar and the hi-railers to the right is fucked. Jet fuel can't melt steel beams fucked. The rail bridge is down to one track for the foreseeable future.

Random train autism question; are all Russian hi-railers so fucking weird? The cranes are mounted to the cab roofs.
I lean Russia Gayop because the road is disrupted but the rail isn't (or less so), and Russia is much better at using rail for logistics than roads, but I think its possible we'll never know.
The rail bridge is only damaged because a rail car of POL caught fire as a secondary. From the pictures I saw of the fuel fire, I'm willing to bet the railcar that started it had a leak and it snowballed from there. Whoever blew up the road bridge, the rail bridge getting proper fucked was an unintended consequence.
 
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EU: Russian army will be annihilated if Putin uses Nukes:

Russian air campaign failing badly:

Possibility of coup against Putin due to nuclear threats:

Just remember that the Pumpkinbutt is an admitted A*strian, and as such has absolutely zero reasons to be mad at Ukrainian desires for independence. Nope. Certainly isn't because Lviv and other Western oblasts of Ukraine were A*strian clay once upon a time, no sir.
Maybe if the Allies gave his country to the Soviets like what happened with Poland, they'd understand why resisting Russia is important.

Also, he's got no right to talk about Ukrainians being Nazis. Most Austrians supported the Anschluss and the union with Nazi Germany. So he most likely is the descendant of someone who supported union with Nazi Germany and their campaign against Jews.
 
Also, he's got no right to talk about Ukrainians being Nazis. Most Austrians supported the Anschluss and the union with Nazi Germany. So he most likely is the descendant of someone who supported union with Nazi Germany and their campaign against Jews.
Yeah. One thing my stupid brain goes back to is when one of my dumb ass friends i used to hang with kept going on and on about Arnold being a Nazi sympathizer and this was back in 2005.
 
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I cannot believe how wrong I was with this entire thing. I loathe Putin (as I loathe all elite and state absolutists) but I just thought it would be a ROFL-stomp and a brief conflict with Ukraine just giving Russia territory without a major conflict. The first time I realized something was going very wrong was the absolute fucking massacre Russia faced at the Ukrainian airport. Then it was the complete failure to secure air-superiority when it could. Then it was columns of tanks on muddy roads with no infantry support getting their treads stripped and completely fucked. Then it was the CIA going "lol, look at this idiot general with unsecured comms. Hey Ukies, bomb here." I thought it MIGHT be that Putin was liquidating opposition, but nope, turns out its just pure retardation.

Honestly, with the propaganda on both sides, I really couldn't tell who was winning, but its quite obvious now that Russia has completely embarrassed itself on the world stage and its army crumpled like aluminum foil. I fucking hate this war, as its completely retarded on all sides and is just fucking the world economy in the ass, and its the poor who suffer for it and people in both Russia and Ukraine are suffering. But at this point, Russia needs a win and its not going to sue for peace easily. So the logical thing is to pump weapons in Ukraine and make Russia take a fucking hint. I don't support this, but Russia is so embittered and embarrassed right now it might just fucking stay there forever and you get ANOTHER North/South Korea debacle for 50 years. So the thing to do is to pump as much cash, manpower and weapons systems into the country while Russia is reeling and just keep pushing until they break. I don't like it, I hate that its come to this, but there's no good options. Only bad, very bad and worse. So I'm on the least bad side of bad options. And not that I want to, but world leaders think that completely ass-fucking Russia in a very public way and just nuking its sphere of influence from orbit is worth the cost of inflation and human lives and suffering. I disagree but I'm not a politician or someone with a hardon for starting a war with Russia that we never got to. Or a fucking retard who thinks this is some moralistic conflict or that Russia is BASED AND REDPILLED AGAINST THOSE PROGTARD LIBS LOL. But I digress.

This is NOT moralistic by the West or the East. While Ukriaine is the clear victim with Russia being the aggressor (did NATO poke Russia? Yes. But this isn't a reaction out of fear, it was imperialistic desire and a desire for Putin to put a stamp on his legacy. So that doesn't matter), the West isn't doing this out of the goodness of its heart or for the 'poor people of Ukraine'. They're doing it for a large multitude of reasons:

1) Breaking the hold of the Russian sphere of influence on Eastern Europe. Those scars run deep, and if they can break the myth of Russian Superiority and exploit the hatred of Eastern Europe for Russia itself, you can basically obliterate a political, economic and militaristic enemy without firing a single shot or (as of this point) unleashing a single nuclear attack. That's a big fucking win. Its ALL about spheres of influence, not territory. If you break that, you can break a nation.

2) Weapons systems they've spent billions upon billions developing and 'testing' but have seen absolutely no action. Sure they've been 'tested' but they haven't been field tested. And now they can be. The West can see how their weapons preform in combat against a tactically superior enemy. Defense contractors can use it to develop new weapons to sell. Lots and lots of money in war. And its double-plus good that they don't have to risk a single soldier to do it.

3) All sorts of black-ops nonsense and testing field strategies. Who the hell knows what is going on behind the scenes there. But again, this is a perfect opportunity to see how this sort of fuckery works against a world power and not just through play fights. Though this requires skin in the game, unlike 1 and 2. And a couple of foreign operators have been killed or captured. Not many, less than I can count on one hand, but it still indicates that this is happening.

4) 80 year old politicians, generals and ex-military that never got to have a fucking war against Russia.

4a) Eastern Europe laughing manically as it gets to kill Russians for free.

The people of Ukraine probably rank the absolute lowest on the scale. So while I hate pumping money into the war, I hate the war itself, the only logical conclusion is to keep pressure on Russia until it takes the fucking hint.

And if you're rooting for Russia, you're retarded or deluded by your own bullshit. Because there's nothing to win. Its already lost and anything at this point is a pyrrhic victory, at best.
 
but again, what kind of black market demand is there for those parts?
like, if you steal a hundred AK rifles and a dozen crates full of 7.62x39 ammo for them, great! every warlord, rebel group or criminal organisation on the planet will be happy to get their hands on a shipment like that, and lots of random civilians will also be happy to buy a nice rifle like that.
but who the fuck is looking to buy spare parts from old soviet tanks? that stuff is useless to anybody except actual state militaries who operate the same tank, and those don't need to go through black markets because they can legally buy such parts from the official producers in russia.
Koreans (Both Koreas). The ROK needs under the table parts for their T-80s but the Russian goverment won't sell to them because they wanted those T-80s returned to them (they claim the deal to trade them to release them from debt wasn't fair, lol) the DPRK needs parts for their tanks but can't buy from Russia directly.
 

Annihilated with what army, Eurocuck? You mean "We'll love Big Brother USA for five minutes while they save us from the situation we created, and then before the gun barrels are even cold start talking about how unequal it is the US doesn't allow its soldiers to be rail roaded in the UCC and American Imperialism is running too rampant".

I cannot believe how wrong I was with this entire thing. I loathe Putin (as I loathe all elite and state absolutists) but I just thought it would be a ROFL-stomp and a brief conflict with Ukraine just giving Russia territory without a major conflict. The first time I realized something was going very wrong was the absolute fucking massacre Russia faced at the Ukrainian airport. Then it was the complete failure to secure air-superiority when it could. Then it was columns of tanks on muddy roads with no infantry support getting their treads stripped and completely fucked. Then it was the CIA going "lol, look at this idiot general with unsecured comms. Hey Ukies, bomb here." I thought it MIGHT be that Putin was liquidating opposition, but nope, turns out its just pure retardation.

Honestly, with the propaganda on both sides, I really couldn't tell who was winning, but its quite obvious now that Russia has completely embarrassed itself on the world stage and its army crumpled like aluminum foil. I fucking hate this war, as its completely retarded on all sides and is just fucking the world economy in the ass, and its the poor who suffer for it and people in both Russia and Ukraine are suffering. But at this point, Russia needs a win and its not going to sue for peace easily. So the logical thing is to pump weapons in Ukraine and make Russia take a fucking hint. I don't support this, but Russia is so embittered and embarrassed right now it might just fucking stay there forever and you get ANOTHER North/South Korea debacle for 50 years. So the thing to do is to pump as much cash, manpower and weapons systems into the country while Russia is reeling and just keep pushing until they break. I don't like it, I hate that its come to this, but there's no good options. Only bad, very bad and worse. So I'm on the least bad side of bad options. And not that I want to, but world leaders think that completely ass-fucking Russia in a very public way and just nuking its sphere of influence from orbit is worth the cost of inflation and human lives and suffering. I disagree but I'm not a politician or someone with a hardon for starting a war with Russia that we never got to. Or a fucking retard who thinks this is some moralistic conflict or that Russia is BASED AND REDPILLED AGAINST THOSE PROGTARD LIBS LOL. But I digress.

This is NOT moralistic by the West or the East. While Ukriaine is the clear victim with Russia being the aggressor (did NATO poke Russia? Yes. But this isn't a reaction out of fear, it was imperialistic desire and a desire for Putin to put a stamp on his legacy. So that doesn't matter), the West isn't doing this out of the goodness of its heart or for the 'poor people of Ukraine'. They're doing it for a large multitude of reasons:

1) Breaking the hold of the Russian sphere of influence on Eastern Europe. Those scars run deep, and if they can break the myth of Russian Superiority and exploit the hatred of Eastern Europe for Russia itself, you can basically obliterate a political, economic and militaristic enemy without firing a single shot or (as of this point) unleashing a single nuclear attack. That's a big fucking win. Its ALL about spheres of influence, not territory. If you break that, you can break a nation.

2) Weapons systems they've spent billions upon billions developing and 'testing' but have seen absolutely no action. Sure they've been 'tested' but they haven't been field tested. And now they can be. The West can see how their weapons preform in combat against a tactically superior enemy. Defense contractors can use it to develop new weapons to sell. Lots and lots of money in war. And its double-plus good that they don't have to risk a single soldier to do it.

3) All sorts of black-ops nonsense and testing field strategies. Who the hell knows what is going on behind the scenes there. But again, this is a perfect opportunity to see how this sort of fuckery works against a world power and not just through play fights. Though this requires skin in the game, unlike 1 and 2. And a couple of foreign operators have been killed or captured. Not many, less than I can count on one hand, but it still indicates that this is happening.

4) 80 year old politicians, generals and ex-military that never got to have a fucking war against Russia.

4a) Eastern Europe laughing manically as it gets to kill Russians for free.

The people of Ukraine probably rank the absolute lowest on the scale. So while I hate pumping money into the war, I hate the war itself, the only logical conclusion is to keep pressure on Russia until it takes the fucking hint.

And if you're rooting for Russia, you're retarded or deluded by your own bullshit. Because there's nothing to win. Its already lost and anything at this point is a pyrrhic victory, at best.

This is like a more cucked out version of my experience.
 
South Korea is phasing out its T-80Us and currently only uses them as training vehicles. It has no need for them as production of the K2 ramps up.
I'd have to agree with you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Republic_of_Korea_Army#Tanks says there are like 35 T-80s in South Korea, and less than 10 T-72s? For context they apparently have about a thousand K1s... and if anything they'd speed up the phasing out, now that they've been battle-tested
 
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Annihilated with what army, Eurocuck?
this would have been a convincing argument half a year ago
but considering how much russia is already struggling with just ukraine, i think the polish army alone (with NATO intel, naval and air support from UK, and economic backing from germany) could march straight through the baltics into mainland russia and destroy what is left of the russian army outside ukraine. russias conventional military has been exposed as a laughing stock, a complete paper tiger
 
I cannot believe how wrong I was with this entire thing. I loathe Putin (as I loathe all elite and state absolutists) but I just thought it would be a ROFL-stomp and a brief conflict with Ukraine just giving Russia territory without a major conflict. The first time I realized something was going very wrong was the absolute fucking massacre Russia faced at the Ukrainian airport. Then it was the complete failure to secure air-superiority when it could. Then it was columns of tanks on muddy roads with no infantry support getting their treads stripped and completely fucked. Then it was the CIA going "lol, look at this idiot general with unsecured comms. Hey Ukies, bomb here." I thought it MIGHT be that Putin was liquidating opposition, but nope, turns out its just pure retardation.

Honestly, with the propaganda on both sides, I really couldn't tell who was winning, but its quite obvious now that Russia has completely embarrassed itself on the world stage and its army crumpled like aluminum foil. I fucking hate this war, as its completely retarded on all sides and is just fucking the world economy in the ass, and its the poor who suffer for it and people in both Russia and Ukraine are suffering. But at this point, Russia needs a win and its not going to sue for peace easily. So the logical thing is to pump weapons in Ukraine and make Russia take a fucking hint. I don't support this, but Russia is so embittered and embarrassed right now it might just fucking stay there forever and you get ANOTHER North/South Korea debacle for 50 years. So the thing to do is to pump as much cash, manpower and weapons systems into the country while Russia is reeling and just keep pushing until they break. I don't like it, I hate that its come to this, but there's no good options. Only bad, very bad and worse. So I'm on the least bad side of bad options. And not that I want to, but world leaders think that completely ass-fucking Russia in a very public way and just nuking its sphere of influence from orbit is worth the cost of inflation and human lives and suffering. I disagree but I'm not a politician or someone with a hardon for starting a war with Russia that we never got to. Or a fucking retard who thinks this is some moralistic conflict or that Russia is BASED AND REDPILLED AGAINST THOSE PROGTARD LIBS LOL. But I digress.

This is NOT moralistic by the West or the East. While Ukriaine is the clear victim with Russia being the aggressor (did NATO poke Russia? Yes. But this isn't a reaction out of fear, it was imperialistic desire and a desire for Putin to put a stamp on his legacy. So that doesn't matter), the West isn't doing this out of the goodness of its heart or for the 'poor people of Ukraine'. They're doing it for a large multitude of reasons:

1) Breaking the hold of the Russian sphere of influence on Eastern Europe. Those scars run deep, and if they can break the myth of Russian Superiority and exploit the hatred of Eastern Europe for Russia itself, you can basically obliterate a political, economic and militaristic enemy without firing a single shot or (as of this point) unleashing a single nuclear attack. That's a big fucking win. Its ALL about spheres of influence, not territory. If you break that, you can break a nation.

2) Weapons systems they've spent billions upon billions developing and 'testing' but have seen absolutely no action. Sure they've been 'tested' but they haven't been field tested. And now they can be. The West can see how their weapons preform in combat against a tactically superior enemy. Defense contractors can use it to develop new weapons to sell. Lots and lots of money in war. And its double-plus good that they don't have to risk a single soldier to do it.

3) All sorts of black-ops nonsense and testing field strategies. Who the hell knows what is going on behind the scenes there. But again, this is a perfect opportunity to see how this sort of fuckery works against a world power and not just through play fights. Though this requires skin in the game, unlike 1 and 2. And a couple of foreign operators have been killed or captured. Not many, less than I can count on one hand, but it still indicates that this is happening.

4) 80 year old politicians, generals and ex-military that never got to have a fucking war against Russia.

4a) Eastern Europe laughing manically as it gets to kill Russians for free.

The people of Ukraine probably rank the absolute lowest on the scale. So while I hate pumping money into the war, I hate the war itself, the only logical conclusion is to keep pressure on Russia until it takes the fucking hint.

And if you're rooting for Russia, you're retarded or deluded by your own bullshit. Because there's nothing to win. Its already lost and anything at this point is a pyrrhic victory, at best.
How long do you think the war is gonna last, my bet is 2024 so that biden has something to campaign about, most likely ukraine gonna take Kherson before Christmas, then 2023/2024 slow pushes to Zaporizhzhia, Crimea and the Donbass
 
According to Z Telegrams, a new regiment of mobilized men from Moscow was not given training before being sent to the Luhansk area where some of the hardest fighting is currently taking place. They only trained one day at a firing range and coincidentally on that day they were visited by Shoigu and the press. I think that the video below is from that visit. It first appeared in news articles on the 27th, which is also the date given in the Telegram post.


Before reaching the frontline, the newly mobilized regiment came under attack and suffered serious casualties. Survivors of the attack were sent to different units, but the Russian Army didn't keep records and now families can't find out where the men are. Apparently, some of the men were not even listed as mobilized in the original unit. If that is how Muscovites are treated, one has to wonder how bad it is for other regions. Middle-class families from Moscow can organize and bring attention to this kind of abuse, but poor ruralites and their families probably can't.

We agree with Anastasia Kashevarova's post and will now describe how a group of mobilised Muscovites and residents of the Moscow region were sent to the NWO zone without education or training by order of General Zusko.

All of them were drafted into the 27th Motorized Rifle Brigade, 15th Regiment during September 22-24. On 27 September the military unit in Naro-Fominsk was visited by Shoigu and he was solemnly shown, to the press cameras, how the mobilised men were allegedly "being trained". In reality, that day was the first and last time they were at the firing range. The next day they were sent to Valuiki in the Belgorod region, ostensibly again for retraining.

But there again no one and nothing was taught. And on October 2-3, the mobilized men, by order of General Zusko, were sent to the front line, in the Svatovo area.

From October 3 they have not been in touch. But some of them were found by their relatives in hospitals in the Belgorod region. The wounded said that the convoy of mobilised men came under fire as it was approaching the front line. The mobilised were left without command and control. No one gave them orders on how to act. Therefore they had suffered serious losses without actually engaging in direct combat.

When relatives of the mobilised men found out about the losses they applied to the military units. Namely to the military camp No 1, military unit 31135. They were told that the men they were looking for, that is, their relatives, were not listed in the unit and had never been listed there before. They were also not among the mobilized.

The mobilized men themselves, those who were wounded lie in hospitals, say that in Valujki they were transferred to different units, and so there is now complete confusion about who is where.

Regarding what is happening right now. The remaining enlisted soldiers and officers, are still at the front near Svatovo.

It is difficult for them to specify what the losses among the mobilized are at the moment, but we are talking about at least dozens of wounded.

At the same time, there are no cowards and refuseniks among the mobilized, they are ready to fight, but they do not understand why the military leadership directly violates the instructions of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief on the mandatory two-month training of the mobilized and why people who last held a gun in their hands ten years ago are being sent to the front.

 
According to Z Telegrams, a new regiment of mobilized men from Moscow was not given training before being sent to the Luhansk area where some of the hardest fighting is currently taking place. They only trained one day at a firing range and coincidentally on that day they were visited by Shoigu and the press. I think that the video below is from that visit. It first appeared in news articles on the 27th, which is also the date given in the Telegram post.


Before reaching the frontline, the newly mobilized regiment came under attack and suffered serious casualties. Survivors of the attack were sent to different units, but the Russian Army didn't keep records and now families can't find out where the men are. Apparently, some of the men were not even listed as mobilized in the original unit. If that is how Muscovites are treated, one has to wonder how bad it is for other regions. Middle-class families from Moscow can organize and bring attention to this kind of abuse, but poor ruralites and their families probably can't.



Remains to be seen if this is enough for these people to finally wake up. It wasn't enough for this regime to rob us of our wealth, now they demand our very lives, which even then they don't value and squander.
Common theory regarding mobilized men, is that a portion of them was sent without much if any training to plug holes in the frontline to prevent Ukrainian advance, while the rest get trained up (:optimistic:) and deployed later as cohesive units (:optimistic::optimistic:) to perhaps turn the situation around (:optimistic::optimistic::optimistic:).
From what I know Ukraine takes mobilization seriously, compared to this. Forces pushing now are experienced and well equipped, Russian draftees don't stand a chance. It's tragic that it came to this.
 
According to Z Telegrams, a new regiment of mobilized men from Moscow was not given training before being sent to the Luhansk area where some of the hardest fighting is currently taking place. They only trained one day at a firing range and coincidentally on that day they were visited by Shoigu and the press. I think that the video below is from that visit. It first appeared in news articles on the 27th, which is also the date given in the Telegram post.


Before reaching the frontline, the newly mobilized regiment came under attack and suffered serious casualties. Survivors of the attack were sent to different units, but the Russian Army didn't keep records and now families can't find out where the men are. Apparently, some of the men were not even listed as mobilized in the original unit. If that is how Muscovites are treated, one has to wonder how bad it is for other regions. Middle-class families from Moscow can organize and bring attention to this kind of abuse, but poor ruralites and their families probably can't.




If this is true then this is some Tsar Nicholas and WW1 Russian shit. And we all know what that led to.
 
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this would have been a convincing argument half a year ago
but considering how much russia is already struggling with just ukraine, i think the polish army alone (with NATO intel, naval and air support from UK, and economic backing from germany) could march straight through the baltics into mainland russia and destroy what is left of the russian army outside ukraine. russias conventional military has been exposed as a laughing stock, a complete paper tiger
To me the clearest sign of the end of the Russian military is the Finns openly joking they'd need to race the Poles to St. Petersburg. At this point its only a matter of time before someone does something.
 
I'd have to agree with you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Republic_of_Korea_Army#Tanks says there are like 35 T-80s in South Korea, and less than 10 T-72s? For context they apparently have about a thousand K1s... and if anything they'd speed up the phasing out, now that they've been battle-tested
The K2PL MBTs Poland is getting have been redesigned inside and out to be just roughly as protected and survivable as the M1A2SEPv3/4s Poland also is getting. Major internal difference is the main gun ammunition is in isolated magazines with blow out panels much like the Abrams hull ammunition compartment with blowout panels.
Off topic-ish but more detail on the K2PL can be found in this thread. Tanknet Polish ARV and modernization thread.
 

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