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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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We're getting ready with our nuclear subs, too.


It's just that with Russia's budget and culture of corruption, I wouldn't be surprised if the nuclear sub exploded when it tries to launch its nuke.
For real.

How many subs have they lost in the last 20 years during peacetime?

Also, US subs smell notoriously nasty. I cannot fathom the stench on a Russian sub.
 

Russia adds security at military enlistment offices due to “increasing attacks"​

Russia has increased security measures at military registration and enlistment offices due to "increasing attacks" on those facilities, a senior Russian official said Saturday.

"Detention groups of the Russian Guard are deployed in a number of cities, including Moscow, to the buildings of the military registration and enlistment offices. In addition, throughout the country they are included in the patrol routes of the non-departmental security crews of the Russian Guard," Alexander Khinshtein, a deputy in the Russian parliament, said in a statement on his Telegram channel.

Some context: Since Russia announced a plan for mobilization last month, protests against the drive have erupted in ethnic minority regions, and some military enlistment offices have been set on fire. The announcement also prompted anti-war protests across Russia.

According to Khinshtein, intruders have been caught "red-handed" trying to launch an attack on military enlistment centers.
Big if true
 
Let's be fair: It worked out pretty good... at first. There is still a lot of Red on the map of Ukraine. And again, while I hate to give the Vatniks any quarter, The Donbas/Luhansk pushes are gaining ground and may be able to take their strategic objectives of securing more rail connections and securing Donetsk airport: both of those would start making those fronts far more troublesome as Russians reinforcements and supplies would be getting delivered much closer to the fornt.
Of course their incremental gains there are not offsetting the disasters to the north and south.


This got some solid guffaws from me. The way the battle lines are shaping up, unless there is a huge swing in Russia's favor if they don't withdraw troops from Kherson they are going to end up surrendering. Ukraine is set to knock out the main bridge into Kherson and if they can shut down the rail lines that is going to sever the logisitical connections. Russian troops are going to freeze and starve over winter until they surrender.
Vatniks only made decent pushes in the South at the start of the war when they captured Kherson plus Zaporizhzhia. They got stopped quite early on near Kharkiv. The whole occupied Northern part of Luanda Oblast is mostly just empty forest with Starobilsk as a major transport cross. The Ukies mostly abandoned it at the start, what was maybe a mistake, but they simply didn't had the personal ressources to defend it in February. Keep in mind that Zelensky was quite a retard (imagine that) before the war started since he didn't took the warnings from NATO seriously. The Russians caught the UA army almost all over the country (expect Donbabwe) with their pants down in basically civilian mode. Maybe I'm expecting too much but in my eyes the invasion was already a disaster from the first weeks in March.

Talking about the pushes near Donbass/Luhansk, the only infos I have here is the never ending zerg rush against Bakhmut but I'm open to read additional sources. Donetsk airport isn't a strategic factor at all since it would still be too close to the frontline (Stingerchan going uwu at any incoming Russian Transport plane) and it's in ruins since both sides fight over it for 8 years straight. ALSO Russians primarily use the rail way and not heavy air lift for their logistics like the Burgers do.
 
That would be the best case scenario if they decided to go completely insane, or having their nukes fizzle when they attempt to launch.
The US perfected sub chasing in the cold war. I doubt the Russians managed to gain any technological edge post USSR considering all the Russian sub incidents that happened in recent years.
 
Some homo on /pol/ made this & I found it funny.
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Putin's head of Ukraine mobilisation campaign found dead in 'suspicious circumstances'
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Will StewartRussia Correspondent
Graeme MurrayNews Reporter
  • 16:13, 15 Oct 2022
The head of Vladimir Putin's disastrous Ukraine mobilisation campaign has been found dead in “suspicious” circumstances.

Military commissar Lt-Col Roman Malyk, 49, a, was discovered near a fence at his home in a village in the Primorsky region of Russia.


Some reports claimed he died from hanging.

Russian police have opened a murder probe but have not ruled out suicide.

His “suspicious” death comes after a spate of attacks on mobilisation offices across Russia.

As many as 70 offices have been hit with Molotov cocktails as anger grows over enlistment.

There is rising fury over mobilisation officials forcibly recruiting men with little or no training in apparent violation of the rules.

Armed conscript-snatching teams of enlistment officers backed by police have been operating in Russian cities, grabbing men on underground trains, on the street, and in offices.

Russia today put in place additional security for mobilisation teams and enlistment offices amid a demand by Putin to find another 80,000 men to complete a total of 300,000 recruits for the initial stage of enlistment.

They are to be protected by national guardsmen, said MP Alexander Khinshtein.

The mobilisation has led to hundreds and thousands of men fleeing abroad, voting with their feet against Putin.

Married father-of-two Malyk was a veteran of Russia’s war in Chechnya and friends and family strongly denied he killed himself.

He was in charge of enlistment in Partizan district and surrounding areas in Primorsky region.

Malyk was described by friends as a “strong and courageous man” who was “not broken under the weight of harsh military events and great losses” in Chechnya.

“He was a man of his word and deed, known and respected in the city for his honesty and integrity,” he said.

Earlier this month in neighbouring Khabarovsk region Yury Laiko, 41, a military enlistment commissioner, was dismissed amid mayhem over the forced mobilisation of local men.

He was blamed for “errors” in manically conscripting thousands of reservists in vast Khabarovsk region, half of whom were found to be “unfit for service”.

Governor Mikhail Degtyaryov said “several thousand of our countrymen received summonses and arrived at the military registration and enlistment offices.

“Half of them we returned home as not fulfilling the selection criteria for enlistment into military service…[so] military commissar Yury Laiko was dismissed”.

The Mirror reported yesterday how the Russian defence minister's daughter is now in charge of the psychological trauma caused by her fathers botched army mobilisation.

Hundreds of thousands of men have been drafted into the military, each being split from their families and dealing with the fear of death on the frontline.

Many men have also fled abroad and have been forced to leave behind loved ones, to avoid being killed in Vladimir Putin ’s war with Ukraine.

Tens of thousands of families have suffered bereavement after sons, husbands and boyfriends were killed -after being ordered to the war by Sergei Shoigu.
 
Some homo on /pol/ made this & I found it funny.
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It is worth pointing out that most of the money allocated in those bills wasn't spent on Ukraine at all. Regardless of my position on Ukraine v Russia, here's no point in hiding that the US political class is using this as a way to skim huge amounts of cash out to their pets. It doesn't matter; if Russia had decided to be sane and left Ukraine alone, they would find some other way to do it instead. Probably more Covid bullshit, or the abrupt and unforseen new cold war with Canada.
 
For real.

How many subs have they lost in the last 20 years during peacetime?

Also, US subs smell notoriously nasty. I cannot fathom the stench on a Russian sub.
Would it be wrong to point out that just 6 months ago an incompetant and badly led crew drove the USS Connecticut into undersea terrain, almost totally destroying the bow. This was a Seawolf class sub. The worlds most advanced and most expensive. Thankfully US subs are built to higher standards then Russian, and the sub survived with no loss of life. The Chinese are likely still sifting bits of its main sonar array out of the mud. So their can be surprising levels of incompetance everywhere. Just hopefully not quite to the degree of institutional norm we see with Russia.
 
I'm refreshing myself on the particulars of the loss of the Kursk.

An official investigation concluded that when the crew loaded a dummy 65–76 "Kit" torpedo, a faulty weld in its casing leaked high-test peroxide (HTP) inside the torpedo tube, initiating a catalytic explosion.[2] The explosion blew off both the inner and outer tube doors, ignited a fire, destroyed the bulkhead between the first and second compartments, damaged the control room in the second compartment, and incapacitated or killed the torpedo room and control-room crew. The torpedo manufacturer challenged this hypothesis, insisting that its design would prevent the kind of event described. Two minutes and fifteen seconds later, another five to seven torpedo warheads exploded. They tore a large hole in the hull, collapsed bulkheads between the first three compartments and all the decks, destroyed compartment four, and killed everyone still alive forward of sixth compartment. The nuclear reactors shut down safely. Analysts concluded that 23 sailors took refuge in the small ninth compartment and survived for more than six hours. When oxygen ran low, they attempted to replace a potassium superoxide chemical oxygen cartridge, but it fell into the oily sea water and exploded on contact. The resulting fire killed several crew members and triggered a flash fire that consumed the remaining oxygen, suffocating the remaining survivors.

A four-page summary of a 133-volume, top-secret investigation revealed "stunning breaches of discipline, shoddy, obsolete and poorly maintained equipment", and "negligence, incompetence, and mismanagement".

 
And in war, second-best is dead last.
Nyet! Rus stronk!
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There's a reason that 20 years of war had an average annual body count on our end of less than half of Chicago's.
For as much as Putin fellated the Red Army's glorious ghost, they tried to copy us in every other respect. But they willfully ignored all the lessons we've learned, because they couldn't be seen as actually copying us
Yes, you were unironically more likely to die in Chicago's South Side than deployed to Iraq during the War on Terror.
For a couple years between 2003-2005, pretty much everyone was going to deploy at least once, and many units stayed downrange well past the 12-month mark (although we got fat overtime for it); only ending with stop-loss, focusing on using BCTs instead of divisional forces, & finally the drawdown in Iraq (mealy-mouthed as it was, it still was better than Afghanistan).

But yeah, very few died as long as they made it back to the CSH, and then back to Rammstein.
 
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I'm refreshing myself on the particulars of the loss of the Kursk.



What was frustrating is how the US and UK offered assistance that was turned down and might have been able to save some lives if the Russian goverment took up that offer as soon as they knew the situation was fucked. It could have kick started an era of cooperation as well.

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Looks like the conscripts are shooting the officers and their fellow compatriots.
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Oct 15 (Reuters) - At least 11 people were killed and 15 more wounded at a Russian military training ground on Saturday when two attackers opened fire on a group of volunteers who wished to fight in Ukraine, RIA news agency said.

The deadly incident is just the latest in a series of high-profile setbacks for Moscow's forces since the Feb. 24 invasion.

RIA, citing the defence ministry, said the two assailants had been shot dead after the attack in the southwestern Belgorod region, which borders Ukraine.
 
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Imagine complaining about "other companies" getting billions of taxpayer dollars while running multiple meme companies that also got billions of dollars of government funding. Jesus Christ I can't wait for the inevitable complete Tesla stock crash.
 
Henlo guys how are you doing in the sister topic.
Is Ponzo still shilling here? We miss you in the autismus topic dude, come have a go there too.
Also, I am still displeased about the segregation of the two demographics.
Jannies should unify the topics so we have more drama and more active discussion. Especially in quiet times like these without happenings, it might be beneficial to have some slap fights, seething and coping.
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Vatniks only made decent pushes in the South at the start of the war when they captured Kherson plus Zaporizhzhia. They got stopped quite early on near Kharkiv. The whole occupied Northern part of Luanda Oblast is mostly just empty forest with Starobilsk as a major transport cross. The Ukies mostly abandoned it at the start, what was maybe a mistake, but they simply didn't had the personal ressources to defend it in February. Keep in mind that Zelensky was quite a retard (imagine that) before the war started since he didn't took the warnings from NATO seriously. The Russians caught the UA army almost all over the country (expect Donbabwe) with their pants down in basically civilian mode. Maybe I'm expecting too much but in my eyes the invasion was already a disaster from the first weeks in March.

Talking about the pushes near Donbass/Luhansk, the only infos I have here is the never ending zerg rush against Bakhmut but I'm open to read additional sources. Donetsk airport isn't a strategic factor at all since it would still be too close to the frontline (Stingerchan going uwu at any incoming Russian Transport plane) and it's in ruins since both sides fight over it for 8 years straight. ALSO Russians primarily use the rail way and not heavy air lift for their logistics like the Burgers do.

The invasion is a disaster, lets be clear on that. Even if tomorrow Zelensky and the rest of the population say "Oops sorry we were wrong, Russia #1, please take the whole of Ukraine" and just gives up, its a disaster. This the most bungled invasion of the modern age, beating out the Italians. Countries are supposedly canceling orders for Russian military hardware its going that badly.
Even given that, they were shelling the suburbs of Kiev. Ukraine is winning but its costing them men and the barren no-mans-lands they are pushing east they are pushing east through their own country.

No one (well, no one posting here) knows the current state of the airport. Usable runways or not, there should be still be useable infrastructure (fuel tanks, hangers, etc) that at very least would make it a viable Helicopter base. And operational or not, Ukraine will need to deploy Air defense systems to deny its utility to the Russians. Every SAM overwatching Donetsk is one that isn't covering the front elsewhere.

And yes, Russia uses rail because their rail corps is a professional meritocracy. The reason why the Nukes & Rail are not full of political appointee fucktards is you couldn't just appoint politically reliable idiot bus drivers from the country to do the jobs. People had to be actually competent, skilled, and functional drunks. But they do have heavy lift capabilities with planes with capabilities similar to the US - yes, Russia doesn't know how to use those capabilities, but adversity is a hell of a teacher. And if they can secure, or at least create an artillery-defined no-go zone around, the airport beyond Stinger range it'll be useful as a Helicopter base if nothing else.

The runway should be fucked up, but unless Ukraine goes for Winter War, Russia will have some time to get it serviceable again. If they can is a whole other question. Donetsk airport isn't going to turn the tide, and unless there is a huge reversal where they can secure/deny enough territory to keep Yook airdefense far enough back it is a viable CAS base it won't greatly affect the situation on the ground, but it's going to make the area around Donetsk that much harder to take back.

There is far more to military training than just learning how to operate a rifle. Navigation., communications, small unit tactics, conducting operations in cooperation with armor and artillery units...and that's just basic grunt stuff. That doesn't even take into account more specialized roles and the additional training those troops undergo to learn their jobs. Seriously, it almost like Putin wants to lose and drive his country into a century or more of abject ruination.



Maybe the Ukranians understand that it's better to be Nazis than it is to be filthy Commies? Its a realization more and more people are coming to after dealing with Leftist Pinko bullshit for so many years.

Agreed. It's worth noting that while we think of tank crew as having to understand advanced stuff and infantry as relatively basic "grunts", the US spends just as much time training a tankman as an infantryman
No, actually. Our initial training procedures during the war were incomplete with the expectation that the infantryman would learn most of his trade in the field. Further, all the way up until the very end the US Army ground forces were put at the bottom of the priority list for quality manpower, especially those of intelligence and technical aptitude. Your typical USAAF field cook was likely to be of a superior caliber of man compared to a US infantryman for most of the war. By the end we had revised our curriculum to be far more complete and efficient using the lessons learned by divisions in the field. And Kasserine was all us, unfortunately. Thankfully the man responsible got sacked immediately after the battle, and then 15 days after his replacement showed up we fought the far more successful Battle of El Guettar.

Adding on to this: When someone completes training, even OSUT, they are not regarded as a functional soldier, just as an idiot its possible to train up into one. Guys I talked to said even for dumb grunts, it was about 4 months before a guy fresh from BCT was someone they'd trust in a firefight. The Cav scouts I talked to said (basically) new guys load the guns. If they don't fuck that up, we'll let them learn to drive. If they can pull that off, we might let them shoot the gun. If they do that without fucking up, by the time they're complaining about how shit the new guys are, its time to start thinking about letting them sit in the commanders seat.
And that doesn't include the fact that units getting ready to deploy go through 3 to 6 months of specialized training.

Even if we want to close our eyes and pretend Russian conscript training produces competent soldiers, and none of these reservists skills have degraded below that of a newly-trained cadet, they should be getting minimum of two months geared toward conditions they'll be expected to face.

Word on the street is that Russia is moving out nuclear subs.

I hope to God they're just sabre rattling and they're not retarded enough to start launching tactical strikes.
This is pretty standard. Its not even saber-rattling. There is a non-zero chance you are going to make your SSBNs a valid target, you should get them out of port.

The US perfected sub chasing in the cold war. I doubt the Russians managed to gain any technological edge post USSR considering all the Russian sub incidents that happened in recent years.
Russia hasn't really done any of their own work. They finished off some designs from the twilight of the USSR. The USSR understood they didn't have the resources to match the Americans, so they'd pick one or areas and try to excel. This is how you end up with the Akula Kilo (sorry got my rooski subs mixed up), where all the budget went into acoustic paneling which made them quiet as fuck.
They are currently running Delta III, Delta IV, and I believe a Typhoon which is missile testing sub but still launches which are all straight Soviet boats. My cold-war wonkery is rusty, but IIRC the Typhoon was just supposed to hold a shit load of missiles, and the Deltas the budget for innovations went all to the missiles.
I'm going to tl;dr this:
There are three arms to your nuke strategy: Bombers, ICBMs, and Subs. The US for its ICBM strategy went for hardened bunkers; it was determined USSR missile targeting was shit, so you just needed installations that would be viable after a non-direct hit. The USSR decided that reinforced concrete was expensive, the US was too accurate, and they had too much territory for their crappy missiles to cover and went for mobile launchers.
The US SSBN strategy is get boomers closer to a hot zone so missles have a shorter flight time to target. The Soviet SSBN strategy shifted from attempting to mirror US capabilities to accepting that with the US sonar net that was a pipe dream. Instead they shifted to treating their SSBNs as water-based silos. You deploy in friendly waters where friendly subs and fleets provide screening against attack subs.

Their post-Soviet boomer, the Borei, is iterative off the Delta IV and an acceptance of the post-Soviet reality: Smaller displacement, smaller crew, smaller load - ie cheaper to build and operate. They have not kept pace with stealth and still operate on friendly-water deployment with the capabilities. This is why they make so much hay out of punching through North Pole ice.

Their fleet is also pretty small. The US could task two attack subs for each russian boomer and still have spare boats.
 
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