Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Virtual Boring]

A lot of pl in this, but I'll try my best not to.

I've always been fairly liberal until recently. My own sister faced one of those "but they're just a laydeee!" dick flashing happenings at her gym. Luckily, she is in her 20s. Several people and even children complained, but... yeah.

Where I grew up votes highly republican and the kids rebel by going super lib. As a result, I know a lot of people who have trooned, mostly FTM. I have also been a denizen of the (capital)Internet for a long time. They tried to convince me to troon. I'm just a tomboy. Screw you.

At least two I know have gotten the tit chop and are proud of their zippertits and T hormones. They encourage me to identify as a "they/them." I told them I don't care what pronoun they call me, however, that is offensive somehow as well.

The worst was when I had to deal with a MtF... apparently "she" woke up after 12 years and I was the first "she came out to." The person recognizable as my friend vanished with accusations of "transphobia." Suddenly jokes I made yesterday were not OK today. Needless to say, we are not friends today, I was blocked.

Little Miss Boring kiddo is autistic (legit diagnosis) and I worry about her.

Parents, please read the threads here. The Farms are not evil.

 

[FinnSven]

A lot of pl in this, but I'll try my best not to.

I've always been fairly liberal until recently. My own sister faced one of those "but they're just a laydeee!" dick flashing happenings at her gym. Luckily, she is in her 20s. Several people and even children complained, but... yeah.

Where I grew up votes highly republican and the kids rebel by going super lib. As a result, I know a lot of people who have trooned, mostly FTM. I have also been a denizen of the (capital)Internet for a long time. They tried to convince me to troon. I'm just a tomboy. Screw you.

At least two I know have gotten the tit chop and are proud of their zippertits and T hormones. They encourage me to identify as a "they/them." I told them I don't care what pronoun they call me, however, that is offensive somehow as well.

The worst was when I had to deal with a MtF... apparently "she" woke up after 12 years and I was the first "she came out to." The person recognizable as my friend vanished with accusations of "transphobia." Suddenly jokes I made yesterday were not OK today. Needless to say, we are not friends today, I was blocked.

Little Miss Boring kiddo is autistic (legit diagnosis) and I worry about her.

Parents, please read the threads here. The Farms are not evil.

I was playing Frank Zappa’s Bobby Brown goes down over breakfast with my massively more conservative, but left voting, wife.

The intention was to mildly offend her in a ribbing manner. She laughed.

I realized though that back in the 60s-70s, this kind of stuff was what boomer kids did to freak out their parents.

Nowadays, the parents still titter at Bobby fucking a dyke, only to be castrated, but the kids go into offense induced anaphylactic shock and convulse while expressing fury on twitter.

Sorry to hear about your friends. For me there was a sweet spot in my mid twenties when I could be offensive and near the knuckle, joking about trans, homosexuals, conservatives and nerds.
People knew I was being offensive for the sake of dark or gallows humor.

Nowadays, such things make you worse than literal Nazis.

 

[teriyakiburns]

People knew I was being offensive for the sake of dark or gallows humor.

Fuck yeah, I miss those days as well. Best memories of my life are evenings in the student bar, trading insults with a bunch of friends of all different shapes and colours and crap like that. None of us cared. It was a competition to see who could get closest to the line, except the line was always miles behind. Getting called a wog by a paki from halifax was a treat, gotta say, but that's what you get from being born outside yorkshire.

Try that today, you'd be assaulted by a crowd of genderspecials before the first word is even out.

 

[FinnSven]

Fuck yeah, I miss those days as well. Best memories of my life are evenings in the student bar, trading insults with a bunch of friends of all different shapes and colours and crap like that. None of us cared. It was a competition to see who could get closest to the line, except the line was always miles behind. Getting called a wog by a paki from halifax was a treat, gotta say, but that's what you get from being born outside yorkshire.

Try that today, you'd be assaulted by a crowd of genderspecials before the first word is even out.

My last good memory of that kind of thing was confusing a bunch of countryside conservatives who got confused at me being annoyed at a UKIP politician calling an Asian Tory MP a coconut.

They had heard me call a GreyMan baldhead wi’out Jah done raised by de’en’my fool a Coconut because he tried to “talk as the only black man in the group”.

What they didn’t get is that a UKIP bint calling a bounty a coconut is just stupid as UKIP are 100% not racist because they don’t mind brown people who act white.

As I couldn’t be bothered to explain I just brushed it off as a London thing.

 

[Sentient Vaccum]

Lost a good bro to the troon army about a year ago. They were one of the most undeniably straight manly men I've ever known. Their long term girlfriend broke up with them and it was a whole thing, and then a few months later 'lol I'm actually a woman'. I think it broke him.

Now he's fucking a gay black man with a fucking onlyfans and in a poly relationship with two other troons and I want to scream. I wish I was joking. He was my tightest, most normal nigga and it feels really fucking bad.

The saddest part is that you can tell they're still the same 'person' underneath, but god forbid you accidentally misgender them or talk about anything involving women. Really feel like I lost a good friend.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Little Miss Boring kiddo is autistic (legit diagnosis) and I worry about her.

I was thinking about the troon propaganda children's books the other day.

The "response" children's books suck; they're written by equally anti-freedom media whore blowhards, just on "the other side," and you can tell they're aimed at the parents.

Someone should pull together a list of good kids' books about weird and awkward little girls who turn out to just be girls without making a fuss about it, although the only book I can think of off the top of my head is Harriet the Spy.

Like so many of us here, I was a weird little girl. If I'd been born 10-20 years later I might have had a diagnosis, but I also might have been trooned out if the cards had been right. The trans movement is telling kids that the answer to being awkward and uncomfortable growing up will be found in a needle, which is the first time anyone's pulled the line that DARE, back then, told me I'd be hearing a lot.


The kind of anti-troon kids' book that would work better would be about a non-gender-conforming kid who sees some of their friends troon out and tell them that boys can't be ballerinas so therefore they're a girl. Protagonist talks to their parents about their concerns, gets told that anyone can take ballet/play in the mud and that Skylar's parents mean well but are a bit overbearing.

Then we just have some of the kid having fun doing cross-gender kid stuff as the mood strikes them, while noting that Skylar's parents pull fae into the Principal a lot and that people walk on eggshells around the parents and therefore the kid. Maybe hammer it home by Skylar telling the protagonist "yeah, I dunno but my mom is really into it so now I have to keep doing it, I just was playing House and Mom got really excited." (And then in the sequel, Skylar gets a compression fracture from GnRH osteoporosis and has to sit out of PE.)

It's the vegan cat simile; gotta aim this at the parents who are causing the problem.

 

[s0mbra]

(barely related side-tangent: How the hell do you meet (sane) TERF girls these days? It seems whenever I meet a woman in my sphere, I have to either pretend to care about trans issues and/or pretend to go along with their own abnormal gender identities. And when I do meet the odd TERF, it becomes incredibly clear that, on top of being lesbians, they're only trans-exclusive because they just despise men. What a pozzed world we live in.)[/Spoiler]

Petition to make a kiwi terf dating service.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Someone should pull together a list of good kids' books about weird and awkward little girls who turn out to just be girls without making a fuss about it, although the only book I can think of off the top of my head is Harriet the Spy.

IMO, The Famous Five would fit this, with two great characters in George and Anne. George (Georgina, pretty much Enid Blyton's self-insert) is the classic tomboy, Anne is more domestically inclined, but they both muck in when they need to and it's never an issue that they have different views on life. They're just kids, doing kid stuff and solving mysteries. There's some anachronisms because of the era they were written in (everyone wears swim-suits that almost go to their ankles in one book), but they're timeless adventures in every other respect.

 

[sheepworldvizor]

Petition to make a kiwi terf dating service.

Just ask Mumsnet if they have any nice younger sisters.

 

[shameshame]

Petition to make a kiwi terf dating service.

Finally the world's first dating app made purely for autistics

 

[Ser Prize]

Women generally go in looking for more emotional fulfillment in relationships in general. Also, there are quite a few stories of lesbians trooning out, but since FTM is a lot rarer than the other way around to begin with, they're harder to find than the average wife-to-trans-widow story.

FTM is not a lot rarer than the other way around.

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

FTM is not a lot rarer than the other way around.

Especially among younger people.

IMO, The Famous Five would fit this, with two great characters in George and Anne. George (Georgina, pretty much Enid Blyton's self-insert) is the classic tomboy, Anne is more domestically inclined, but they both muck in when they need to and it's never an issue that they have different views on life. They're just kids, doing kid stuff and solving mysteries. There's some anachronisms because of the era they were written in (everyone wears swim-suits that almost go to their ankles in one book), but they're timeless adventures in every other respect.

Be wary, people have been trying to retro-trans George for years now, because she's a tomboy who sometimes remarks that she wishes she were a boy. Which totally has nothing to do with the restrictive gender norms of the time that even a child could see.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Be wary, people have been trying to retro-trans George for years now, because she's a tomboy who sometimes remarks that she wishes she were a boy. Which totally has nothing to do with the restrictive gender norms of the time that even a child could see.

They never see the irony.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

2. Slightly less autistic and chained to some person, often male but sometimes female, who they have been with since they were both adolescents who is equally as autistic and thus they are bound together in a cycle of perpetual, unbroken autism, eternally, no matter what weirdness may come to pass. One subtype of this is the "we both trooned out" couples.

Its insane how on point this is. We see a good ammount of double troon couples (including the famous pregnant one) and tons of troons leaving their wifes and this explains both.


The only question left though is, why do normal looking adult women not troon out like men do? Is it as simple as "men are more coombrained than women"?

Yeah we have coombrain women but usually it happens during teens/young adulthood, why are women capable of dropping the fetish but men aren't well into their 40s+?

 

[NerdShamer]

Is it as simple as "men are more coombrained than women"?

In an way, this is true. But there are other factors, like laziness or deepseated abuse

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

capable of dropping the fetish but men aren't well into their 40s+

because once they leave college and trendy youth culture they find it in their best interest to find a man and get into a monogamous heterosexual marriage which they always wanted to do anyways but wouldn't admit it. There's a metric ton of millenial women who used to claim to be lesbians or bi in the mid 00s for social clout and now they are married with kids, no lgbt larp in sight.

Whats concerning is that it can't happen like that for a lot of the younger zoomer girls because they are getting butchered before they can even grow out of it, when they are middle aged and regret their weird genderspecial teen phase they'll be sterile and surgically altered beyond repair.

You can get out of calling yourself a lesbian by just dating a dude, you can get out of being emo, or goth, etc but you can't get out of trans if you chop your tits off and your voice is permanently altered due to testosterone.

 

[FinnSven]

I was thinking about the troon propaganda children's books the other day.

The "response" children's books suck; they're written by equally anti-freedom media whore blowhards, just on "the other side," and you can tell they're aimed at the parents.

Someone should pull together a list of good kids' books about weird and awkward little girls who turn out to just be girls without making a fuss about it, although the only book I can think of off the top of my head is Harriet the Spy.

Like so many of us here, I was a weird little girl. If I'd been born 10-20 years later I might have had a diagnosis, but I also might have been trooned out if the cards had been right. The trans movement is telling kids that the answer to being awkward and uncomfortable growing up will be found in a needle, which is the first time anyone's pulled the line that DARE, back then, told me I'd be hearing a lot.


The kind of anti-troon kids' book that would work better would be about a non-gender-conforming kid who sees some of their friends troon out and tell them that boys can't be ballerinas so therefore they're a girl. Protagonist talks to their parents about their concerns, gets told that anyone can take ballet/play in the mud and that Skylar's parents mean well but are a bit overbearing.

Then we just have some of the kid having fun doing cross-gender kid stuff as the mood strikes them, while noting that Skylar's parents pull fae into the Principal a lot and that people walk on eggshells around the parents and therefore the kid. Maybe hammer it home by Skylar telling the protagonist "yeah, I dunno but my mom is really into it so now I have to keep doing it, I just was playing House and Mom got really excited." (And then in the sequel, Skylar gets a compression fracture from GnRH osteoporosis and has to sit out of PE.)

It's the vegan cat simile; gotta aim this at the parents who are causing the problem.

A better sequel would be Skylar making special secret friends on the internet called Cathie Vibes and Paula Sorrentina, who live on a magical farm in the middle of the countryside.

Cathie and Paula provide Skylar with magic beans which will help please their parents.

Until of course the parents discover Skylars friendship with these people and fear the risk of Skylar becoming one of them and living on the magical farm, thus seeing the error of their ways.

 

[Fish Maggot]

Someone should pull together a list of good kids' books about weird and awkward little girls who turn out to just be girls without making a fuss about it, although the only book I can think of off the top of my head is Harriet the Spy.

Spoiler: Book sperg

There was a few books when I was growing up that were written by Jacqueline Wilson which often featured an awkward or otherwise "misfitting" girl as the narrator, and (from what I can recall at least) I don't think they ever floated any gender-theory bullshit in them. Ones that come to mind are The Illustrated Mum, Best Friends, and Diamond Girls.
Some of the 'later' titles like Cookie and Candyfloss probably fit into that as well. I never read/watched Tracy Beaker, so I have no idea what that is/was like. I also haven't read anything by her in over a decade, so she might be a nutter by now.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

More likely just a normal human shock response kicking in. She must have been truly shocked having that happen and that's how some people react, by trying to appease the attacker.

Honestly, I'd never seen that before. Maybe because my EMS work generally deals with gunt-tier wiggers and I used to get jumped a lot in life so the default is to hit back (Plus my father taught me that more brutal violence is always the answer to violence).

There's a metric ton of millenial women who used to claim to be lesbians or bi in the mid 00s for social clout and now they are married with kids, no lgbt larp in sight.

Pretty sure those women were called LUGS (Lesbian Until Graduation)

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Weird little girls used to read books with boy protagonists they related to and were not disturbed by it. My mother was a huge fan of "scrappy little lad goes on big adventure" books as a child, I inherited piles of them from her once I learned to read. She never was anything but a normal straight lady, married with kids, gaudy earrings on special occasions.

The feminists decided there was something wrong with this though. She ranted to me about a couple times, that she felt judged- not by the patriarchy for being a tomboy, but by feminists.