Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[teriyakiburns]

Dressing like a boy just means wearing too big t-shirts with open Hawaiian shirt over them, apparently.

Oh shit, it's the 90s again?

 

[Monolith]

Unironically, it cures nearly every psychological disease in women and men. Having a good relationship, i.e. one in which you have lots of sex, does great things for your mental health.

Pretty sure it's the other way around, you need to be mentally healthy to have a good relationship.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure this is the first time I'm posting to this specific thread. I've only lost one friend, when I was in school, before the whole trend took off. I tried to be polite and go along with the name and pronouns, because I didn't know any better, then she told me she was suicidal a couple months later, and eventually fell off the map. I honestly have no idea if she's still alive or not, but retroactively, it's clear she just hated her body because she was fat.

 

[thog]

Finally formally ended it with that autistic close friend I talked about earlier in this thread. We didn't speak for a year before then, and now I have closure. I told him that I wish him the best, but I haven't been and won't be part of his life anymore. I mentioned that it wasn't really about his gender identity, but the other things that came with it, such as displaying his fetishes in public.

The mourning is officially over. I feel good.

 

[Sperghetti]

So something I've noticed is that there's a lot of examples of men leaving their wifes/girlfriends of several years to chase their fetish and troon out, but the innverse (women in relationships trooning out) rarely if ever happens despite the fact that there's more ftm trannies overall.

Is there any explenation reason for this? Is it really as simple as "cock prevents/cures dysphoria"? Are women more emotionaly satsified than men by relationships?

Surely it can't be a coincidence.

It almost seems like a weird, premature version of a mid-life crisis. I can’t help but wonder if those are just the type of guys who, in years past, would have left their wives and kids to go chase younger women and spend all their money on fancy cars. Instead, they now leave their wives and kids to try and be younger women, and spend all their money on cosmetic surgery.

 

[redcent]

Unironically, it cures nearly every psychological disease in women and men. Having a good relationship, i.e. one in which you have lots of sex, does great things for your mental health.

Explain the mtf troons who had a wife and a bunch of kids - or any looney man that had a wife and kids- but went off the deep end anyway

Explain all the older single unmarried ladies (no, not single mothers. Those without getting relationships) who don't cause a ruckus and are (relatively) sane


You get crazy women, and they may not have had relationships. But you get one's who've had. Clearly, the "cock" cured nothing, it just left the crazy women pregnant with a bunch of vulnerable kids who's going to grow up with a crap life all because some guy thought he could fix someone and fell flat. Don't do this.

You want to fix things fix your health system. Fix your psychiatrists they've gone all trooney crazy. Fix your media and companies obsessed with lgbtbbq stuff. And for heavens sake, fix your porn, or get rid of it. I don't care which. No wonder you have so many troons with fucking animu porn bullshit what is wrong with you people over there.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Explain the mtf troons who had a wife and a bunch of kids - or any looney man that had a wife and kids- but went off the deep end anyway

There's an easy explanation for this one: narcissistic guy wasn't getting enough attention.

The wife had to focus her attention towards the kids, guy turns to the internet to fulfill his narcissistic needs. He finds a "better" relationship with a bunch of balding fat trannies on reddit than he does with his wife (because all they do is "validate" him, as opposed to a complex relationship), proceeds to troon out. That's the blueprint for 90% of trans widow stories out there. There's a good reason so many trannies talk about being "jealous". Someone else is getting attention. They want that for themselves.

 

[shameshame]

Most of my experiences weren't anything huge, but I've had a few friends transition, all of them, of course, I'd met over tumblr.

First one was this effeminate, gay dude I used to be friends with. He was always acting girly and crossdressing so not much really changed post-transition as far as I was aware.

Next was this girl I thought I knew pretty well. Lost contact for a while and suddenly found her again. Became a full-on ftm fictionkin of a male Nickelodeon cartoon character. Haven't looked her up in ages, really hope she grew out of it.

Then I e-dated a girl I was pretty close with for a few months. I wasn't feeling it, so we amicably broke up. We didn't talk a whole lot afterwards, but last I heard she was gender-experimenting and goes by a dude name like "Eddie" or something. Really hoping I didn't contribute to that.

Last one was this good friend of mine that I would talk to a lot in a Discord server. He wasn't an incel or anything, as he had a longterm girlfriend. I think it was much more to do with the people he hung around with (that weren't me and my friends). He was attending art school in a big city and getting a lot closer to trans and other lefty weirdos online that I think were a big influence. He didn't change a ton post-transition, mostly just pronouns. I even had some respect for his decision, as he was non-white and lived in a thirdworld country. Like the place he could actually get murdered for being trans, not like imaginary-murdered like white troons in the first world always claim they're under threat of.
I was even dating a huge TERF at the time, (barely related side-tangent: How the hell do you meet (sane) TERF girls these days? It seems whenever I meet a woman in my sphere, I have to either pretend to care about trans issues and/or pretend to go along with their own abnormal gender identities. And when I do meet the odd TERF, it becomes incredibly clear that, on top of being lesbians, they're only trans-exclusive because they just despise men. What a pozzed world we live in.) and he fucking hated her guts, but kept it to himself most of the time. We respected his pronouns and everything, but eventually he just left the discord server completely and moved completely to be with his other friends that were more like him. Have a lot of good memories of him and miss him a lot. I suppose this stuff happens often to friends, even without one of them transitioning. It's not like him transitioning even changed much of his personality, maybe just his view of the people he hung around with and who he would prefer to support him. I hope it all works out for him, but I also wish he'd never have met the people that had fed him the idea in the first place.

Edit: Final trans anecdote. Not me, but a female friend of mine has let a transwoman into her female friend group. She was complaining to me, that no matter what they were talking about, the troon would always bring up their own body and how "sexy" they are and how big their tits are getting on HRT. And it was really making my friend uncomfortable, because she doesn't ask or need to hear about any of that shit. She then blamed her own internalized transphobia for her discomfort.
I tried to handle it as tactfully as possible. I couldn't JUST tell her this was just a huge fetish thing for them, so I did my best by telling her: "She probably has never actually had female friends before, and just assumes that this is what all girls always talk about in private (likely from jerking it to too much yuri anime, but I didn't mention that part)."
She agreed that that explanation made a lot of sense. I made sure to tell her that if it makes her uncomfortable again, to make sure to call him out on it, so he doesn't continue to act that way toward every woman he interacts with.

 

[ConSluttant]

Honestly, thats whats most frustrating thing about these types of articles/stories.

"Wow my boyfriend/husband/fiance put me through the most emotionally draining expierence that lasted for months, made me cry myself to sleep and told me I wasn't doing a good enough job of supporting his delusions that he's a woman. I got weird vibes from him trying to be a woman by replicating mean girls behaviour from movies -BUT
TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN".

Spoiler: Long ass sperging

These women are denying themselves to feel negative emotions because it wouldn't be politically correct or its"selfish" on their part.
I don't want to sound like some twitter/tumblr weirdo validation shit but;
It's okay to feel frustrated, sad and angry if people do this shit to you! Whetever its your friend, family or significant other!
It's normal to vent out your frustrations without having to repeat this mantra that is killing you on the inside, because you know it's a lie.
It's the most realistic outcome for someone to feel bitter about giving your everything to support the person that you love or is part of your life, thinking its the best,
only for them to be all taking,but not giving and say you're not doing enough, and keep draining you emotionally until you outlived your usefulness.
Because I believe its healthier to process your negative emotions, through conversation with others or whatever means than bottle yourself up while repeating this mantra, that you know its full of bullshit until
you explode.

TL : DR
You can only show these women (and anyone that went through this shit) but still enable it, the door but it's up for them to
make the decision to walk through them and realize how much this enabling hurt them. And that itself is also a frustrating thing.

I am a Transwidow. Reading this story took me back to it all. My ex-husband never completely trooned out, but because we were a deeply religious couple an awful lot of religious "never get divorced" chains were wrapped astound me. Add to that he is deeply narcissistic and controlling (successfully separated me from any support structure) and I was in a load of shit dealing with it all. This was 15 years ago when he told me his feelings so before the pressure on women now, but I had no one to talk to about it. I eventually did with some internet friens. When he discovered it the blow up was enormous and I was cowed into submission even though I cried my eyes out for a full year. I was a good handmaiden, got him birth control pills to grow his moobs, bought him bras and panties. Until I emotionally broke enough that the marriage bond was severed in my heart. I started an emotional affair and eventually ran away with a real man to whom I am now married happily.

Bruce Jenner triggered me hard and I had another breakdown and finally went to counseling. Now I've written my story anonymously to an online blog of transwidow stories and I speak out on Twitter about being one.

It is soul crushing when the Troon is sleeping beside you in your bed and you made vows to love them until death do you part. But you didn't sign up for being married to a woman.

All I can do is say to stay strong and resist this evil. Nothing good comes of trooning out. Nothing.

 

[Inside your walls]

I am a Transwidow. Reading this story took me back to it all. My ex-husband never completely trooned out, but because we were a deeply religious couple an awful lot of religious "never get divorced" chains were wrapped astound me. Add to that he is deeply narcissistic and controlling (successfully separated me from any support structure) and I was in a load of shit dealing with it all. This was 15 years ago when he told me his feelings so before the pressure on women now, but I had no one to talk to about it. I eventually did with some internet friens. When he discovered it the blow up was enormous and I was cowed into submission even though I cried my eyes out for a full year. I was a good handmaiden, got him birth control pills to grow his moobs, bought him bras and panties. Until I emotionally broke enough that the marriage bond was severed in my heart. I started an emotional affair and eventually ran away with a real man to whom I am now married happily.

Bruce Jenner triggered me hard and I had another breakdown and finally went to counseling. Now I've written my story anonymously to an online blog of transwidow stories and I speak out on Twitter about being one.

It is soul crushing when the Troon is sleeping beside you in your bed and you made vows to love them until death do you part. But you didn't sign up for being married to a woman.

All I can do is say to stay strong and resist this evil. Nothing good comes of trooning out. Nothing.

First of all, gonna try to not pl too much, but as someone that went through a very similiar relationship experience (minus the troonery), my condolences and I hope you are doing better.

The "having nobody to talk about this kind of topic" part feels hits a whole lot, because me and my boyfriend, recently lost our friend of almost 7 years to troonery shit.
It's hard for me to talk about my experience because I am still trying to process everything. How to tell my situation without spilling too much information.

The reason I say it's frustrating is I can't really talk about this to anyone else IRL; Due to troonism here where I live, being an extreme rarity (thankfully) and those that are familiar with the concept
have wool over their eyes with the "Oh they just want to live as themselves" talk and are blissfully unaware about concepts like autogynephilia, Discord, grooming and the infamous brony/incel/anime/edgy
dude to troon pipeline. I can only talk to my significant other about this and our mutual friend who was acquintanced with our former friend, but with them, everything was said what it had to be said about
our former friend.

 

[ConSluttant]

First of all, gonna try to not pl too much, but as someone that went through a very similiar relationship experience (minus the troonery), my condolences and I hope you are doing better.

The "having nobody to talk about this kind of topic" part feels hits a whole lot, because me and my boyfriend, recently lost our friend of almost 7 years to troonery shit.
It's hard for me to talk about my experience because I am still trying to process everything. How to tell my situation without spilling too much information.

The reason I say it's frustrating is I can't really talk about this to anyone else IRL; Due to troonism here where I live, being an extreme rarity (thankfully) and those that are familiar with the concept
have wool over their eyes with the "Oh they just want to live as themselves" talk and are blissfully unaware about concepts like autogynephilia, Discord, grooming and the infamous brony/incel/anime/edgy
dude to troon pipeline. I can only talk to my significant other about this and our mutual friend who was acquintanced with our former friend, but with them, everything was said what it had to be said about
our former friend.

My ex wanted to wear my clothes, my lingerie, be pegged by me. He wanted to BE me. It's vile and revolting. He didn't just want to be himself. It's a lie.

There is no greater betrayal of the human condition than trooning out. Those who have to deal with spouses, friends and family doing it suffer from a distinct form of ptsd imo. Only those who have been through it can understand it. I will always listen to those similarly affected and offer support.

Thanks to my new husband and my children I am relatively whole again. Thank you for caring. Same back at you.

 

[Vingle]

My ex wanted to wear my clothes, my lingerie, be pegged by me. He wanted to BE me. It's vile and revolting. He didn't just want to be himself. It's a lie.

Literal skinwalker, and probably more of a horror than todays horror games and movies.

 

[NerdShamer]

My ex wanted to wear my clothes, my lingerie, be pegged by me. He wanted to BE me. It's vile and revolting. He didn't just want to be himself. It's a lie.

Sure, it's the internet's fault for pushing him over the edge; but are you sure that he hasn't always been an little bit crazy? Like complaining about how his life or having an weird fetish? Might have been abused as an kid and gotten some wires crossed?

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Why is it every time I get back to reading this thread this shit seems to get worse and worse. The more I read these skinwalker stories the more I wonder if we are in the stagnation or the extinction phase of the behavior sink Calhoun described.
I'm beginning to believe that the NSDAP's terming of certain peoples to be "Lebensunwertes Leben" or "undeserving to life" has a function in society as a biological defense mechanism and needs to be brought back.

I had posted way back regarding a troon who almost got shot because my co-worker call it a "him" and then it just absolutely flipped (Think the "IT'S MA'AM@" meme but obese manlet who abuses his grandmother). So they came back while I was busy with another customer, guess what's the first thing I see when I get back?

Wigger went absolutely fucking ballistic at our boss (A woman) who said something that set them off. I'm not sure why she'd profusely apologize after getting shoved by a jackass who was being also being verbally abusive Is this the whole "women avoid confrontation" bullshit??. Had it been me, I would've immediately just beat him to an inch of his life. Hell, I've been jumped by others for much more trivial shit like handing them a god damn pencil that wasn't sharp enough in school.

So something I've noticed is that there's a lot of examples of men leaving their wifes/girlfriends of several years to chase their fetish and troon out, but the innverse (women in relationships trooning out) rarely if ever happens despite the fact that there's more ftm trannies overall.

Is there any explenation reason for this? Is it really as simple as "cock prevents/cures dysphoria"? Are women more emotionaly satsified than men by relationships?

Surely it can't be a coincidence.

I would have said that cheating would be the female version of trooning out before, but I'm more inclined to believe that cheating is a generally universal issue of people being selfish.

You want to fix things fix your health system. Fix your psychiatrists they've gone all trooney crazy.

Will never happen, too much money and regulatory capture.

Might have been abused as an kid and gotten some wires crossed?

If ignorance of the law is not a defense, then surely being abused is not a defense to becoming a menace to society.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

So something I've noticed is that there's a lot of examples of men leaving their wifes/girlfriends of several years to chase their fetish and troon out, but the innverse (women in relationships trooning out) rarely if ever happens despite the fact that there's more ftm trannies overall.

Is there any explenation reason for this? Is it really as simple as "cock prevents/cures dysphoria"? Are women more emotionaly satsified than men by relationships?

Surely it can't be a coincidence.

From browsing reddit sob stories at least, it appears most FTMs fall into one of two categories:

1. So autistic they are unlikely to ever have a serious relationship, with serious arrested development. They are markedly immature not in the colloquial sense but in a technical, developmental sense, by which I mean for instance a 25 year old woman who is relating to her peers the way that would be normal in an 11 year old child. Some of these people have short, explosive lesbian relationships, some of them become sluts, if they are somewhat attractive, but they are just not able to relate to other people maturely enough to commit.

2. Slightly less autistic and chained to some person, often male but sometimes female, who they have been with since they were both adolescents who is equally as autistic and thus they are bound together in a cycle of perpetual, unbroken autism, eternally, no matter what weirdness may come to pass. One subtype of this is the "we both trooned out" couples.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

From browsing reddit sob stories at least, it appears most FTMs fall into one of two categories:

1. So autistic they are unlikely to ever have a serious relationship, with serious arrested development. They are markedly immature not in the colloquial sense but in a technical, developmental sense, by which I mean for instance a 25 year old woman who is relating to her peers the way that would be normal in an 11 year old child. Some of these people have short, explosive lesbian relationships, some of them become sluts, if they are somewhat attractive, but they are just not able to relate to other people maturely enough to commit.

2. Slightly less autistic and chained to some person, often male but sometimes female, who they have been with since they were both adolescents who is equally as autistic and thus they are bound together in a cycle of perpetual, unbroken autism, eternally, no matter what weirdness may come to pass. One subtype of this is the "we both trooned out" couples.

Theres a lot of ftm fujos in poly relationships where they manipulate broken men and women. They are bottom feeders with personality disorders.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Theres a lot of ftm fujos in poly relationships where they manipulate broken men and women. They are bottom feeders with personality disorders.

True- I think of these mostly as the slut subtype. Poly works for them because the connections are shallow and temporary enough they don't have to be on their best behavior for long, but also provides a kind of simp welfare.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

True- I think of these mostly as the slut subtype. Poly works for them because the connections are shallow and temporary enough they don't have to be on their best behavior for long, but also provides a kind of simp welfare.

Trans in general only ever seem to get into relationships with abusive dynamics. I think ftm get too much of a pass or get portrayed exclusively as victims specially from terfs, but it is a toxic cesspool too.

Its true a lot of those girls were abused but thats also true for mtfs and doesn't excuse shitty behaviour,, sad as it is a lot of abuse victims who don't manage their baggage go on to become abusers too.

 

[ConSluttant]

Sure, it's the internet's fault for pushing him over the edge; but are you sure that he hasn't always been an little bit crazy? Like complaining about how his life or having an weird fetish? Might have been abused as an kid and gotten some wires crossed?

I don't blame the internet. He dressed like a girl for Halloween loooong before it was regular to have it in the home. He told me stories of guys buying him drinks in bars when he did it. Aside from his man hands he could pass very well. It was always in him. But I was a punk rock/new wave girl who had a crush on David Bowie. When you grow up in the 80s with the glam rock bands you are a bit more flexible about that stuff. Guyliner is sexy AF. He old-school trooned but he's a definite autogynephile.

 

[The Skeksis Emperor]

Is this the whole "women avoid confrontation" bullshit??.

More likely just a normal human shock response kicking in. She must have been truly shocked having that happen and that's how some people react, by trying to appease the attacker. Or maybe she was scared he would overpower her and kill her. I always thought I would be a fighter, but turns out that when someone freaks out in public like that I just freeze, it's involuntary.

But I was a punk rock/new wave girl who had a crush on David Bowie. When you grow up in the 80s with the glam rock bands you are a bit more flexible about that stuff. Guyliner is sexy AF. He old-school trooned but he's a definite autogynephile.

Yes, and tendencies like this were much harder to detect before the big internet troon boom. People used to just think these men were a little effeminate or even just 'sensitive' (lol), and they usually didn't troon out either. I spent a lot of time in the metal fandom and there were so many men who wore make-up, had long hair, genderbended with clothes and pretended to be bisexual, I wouldn't have thought it strange either. I'm sorry that happened to you, but I am glad you have a good life now.

 

[Sneeds]

Oh shit, it's the 90s again?

So many zoomers now a days are wearing vintage and oversized clothing nowadays. Especially non troons