Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

On the political stage, the UK government was being rightly condemned for failing to ban conversion practices for trans people. In Ukraine, many of them were denied safe passage at the border, while in the US protesters were rallying against conservative anti-trans bills. It was a time of global reckoning, and a long overdue one at that, but selfishly I yearned for some respite.

Seven months on, I am proud of my ex – for having the courage to utter the words, and the conviction to follow them through, crop tops and all. There are many things they will never understand about my experience, but there are far more I will never understand about theirs.

After all she went through, she still supports the mantra "trans women are women". It really is chilling how going through such a harrowing experience still wasn't enough to break the conditioning.

Some people really are beyond help.
 
It was indeed most likely twitter, or more accurately, the internet. Trans ideology and the trans lobby as it has evolved on the internet and in popular culture currently functions exactly like a cult. If you follow what the cult wants (blind acceptance of everything) you are love bombed every day all day, but if you dare to have opinions that deviate from the cult they will either pressure you to conform or attempt to break or destroy you, or simply claim you're "not really trans". You can see it in how twitter troons react to detransitioners, or to someone like Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner.

I'm sorry an old friend of yours was captured by this. But it's probably best to distance yourself from them, someone who threatens to blackmail you over 'wrongthink' is not a friend anymore.
Oh, i havent spoken to them in years. Hindsight is 20/20 as i feel that i couldve ended up like them, if not worse. i lost a friend of mine recently to the keffals drama because i speak out against keffals. this person in question does have a bit of history here on kiwifarms, if i can find their thread ill post it here for further context.

they told me i was cold hearted when they informed me about this drama at first because i told them i have (now had) no idea who keffals was and thusly dont care about any drama going on with them. even now, with me knowing what i know about keffals and me explaining to them the bullshit that goes on with this specific individual they still refuse to acknowledge what i tell them.

"keffals is a trans person being doxxed and harrassed by the kiwifarms, therefore kiwifarms bad."

no youre just upset about kiwifarms because they talked about you for a few minutes and then moved on.

edit: found the thread
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/lagoo...rmface-imeverypony.48790/page-89#post-4112140
 
After all she went through, she still supports the mantra "trans women are women". It really is chilling how going through such a harrowing experience still wasn't enough to break the conditioning.

Some people really are beyond help.
Honestly, thats whats most frustrating thing about these types of articles/stories.

"Wow my boyfriend/husband/fiance put me through the most emotionally draining expierence that lasted for months, made me cry myself to sleep and told me I wasn't doing a good enough job of supporting his delusions that he's a woman. I got weird vibes from him trying to be a woman by replicating mean girls behaviour from movies -BUT
TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN".

These women are denying themselves to feel negative emotions because it wouldn't be politically correct or its"selfish" on their part.
I don't want to sound like some twitter/tumblr weirdo validation shit but;
It's okay to feel frustrated, sad and angry if people do this shit to you! Whetever its your friend, family or significant other!
It's normal to vent out your frustrations without having to repeat this mantra that is killing you on the inside, because you know it's a lie.
It's the most realistic outcome for someone to feel bitter about giving your everything to support the person that you love or is part of your life, thinking its the best,
only for them to be all taking,but not giving and say you're not doing enough, and keep draining you emotionally until you outlived your usefulness.
Because I believe its healthier to process your negative emotions, through conversation with others or whatever means than bottle yourself up while repeating this mantra, that you know its full of bullshit until
you explode.

TL : DR
You can only show these women (and anyone that went through this shit) but still enable it, the door but it's up for them to
make the decision to walk through them and realize how much this enabling hurt them. And that itself is also a frustrating thing.
 
trannies still mad tho:

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Also I'm a bit confused by this:

It was 3am and I’d had a lot to drink; two reasons why I was pressing my boyfriend of 10 years on why he hadn’t yet proposed.

Like, what is with all this LGBTQ+ ally faggotry, half the pictures on her insta are dudes kissing each other, yet her boyfriend has to propose to her? Why can't she ask? She's been getting dicked by this dude for 10 years, couldn't she just book a registry office for tomorrow?
Dude, this poor girl spent a decade building a life with a man who decided that instead of committing to her he’d slap a wig on and call himself Susan. Yeah, she has a right to be upset.

Even now, while she’s not openly lambasting her ex and is repeating the delusion that Men can be women, you’re pissed because she’s mourning the relationship she lost and the future she thought she had.

Troons and Narcissim go together like Peanut Butter and Jelly.
 
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Unpopular opinion but that woman who wrote that walltext in the guardian about her ex-bf trooning isn't that sympathetic.
The whole thing about wanting to have his babies and marrying him but not making any attempt to advance towards this outcome, waiting for him to propose, the weird joy at the idea that "if she can't have his babies nobody can"... there's something about that that's not working for me.

The whole thing should have been a diary entry and a meeting with her shrink rather than a piece read by millions of people.
 
Dude, this poor girl spent a decade building a life with a man who decided that instead of committing to her he’d slap a wig on and call himself Susan. Yeah, she has a right to be upset.

Even now, while she’s not openly lambasting her ex and is repeating the delusion that Men can be women, you’re pissed because she’s mourning the relationship she lost and the future she thought she had.
Uh what?

Firstly she already has some other dude, and she gets to celebrating his bravery by the end of the article, so she's not as mad as she should be.

Secondly I wasn't saying she shouldn't be mourning her relationship, I was honestly confused as to how young 'LGBT-supporting' people do this kinda thing. Like, if you believe that men can become women, and half your friends are homos, why do you hang around waiting for your partner of 10 years to propose. Like with all the other stuff that trannies and the global pomo/global homo have set out to destroy, why is that we are left with 'the man must propose to the woman', when these very same people believe men can become women. It makes no sense to me: I am old, I have no time for any of this nonsense.
 
Honestly, thats whats most frustrating thing about these types of articles/stories.

"Wow my boyfriend/husband/fiance put me through the most emotionally draining expierence that lasted for months, made me cry myself to sleep and told me I wasn't doing a good enough job of supporting his delusions that he's a woman. I got weird vibes from him trying to be a woman by replicating mean girls behaviour from movies -BUT
TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN".

These women are denying themselves to feel negative emotions because it wouldn't be politically correct or its"selfish" on their part.
I don't want to sound like some twitter/tumblr weirdo validation shit but;
It's okay to feel frustrated, sad and angry if people do this shit to you! Whetever its your friend, family or significant other!
It's normal to vent out your frustrations without having to repeat this mantra that is killing you on the inside, because you know it's a lie.
It's the most realistic outcome for someone to feel bitter about giving your everything to support the person that you love or is part of your life, thinking its the best,
only for them to be all taking,but not giving and say you're not doing enough, and keep draining you emotionally until you outlived your usefulness.
Because I believe its healthier to process your negative emotions, through conversation with others or whatever means than bottle yourself up while repeating this mantra, that you know its full of bullshit until
you explode.

TL : DR
You can only show these women (and anyone that went through this shit) but still enable it, the door but it's up for them to
make the decision to walk through them and realize how much this enabling hurt them. And that itself is also a frustrating thing.
To be fair, though, I often wonder how much of it is being said not necessarily because they believe it, but as a disclaimer they feel like they have to state in order to protect themselves from the mob.

Like how every public defense of KF over the past two months has been prefaced with something like “Kiwi Farms is a horrible, reprehensible website and I definitely think doxxing is wrong, BUT…”
 
To be fair, though, I often wonder how much of it is being said not necessarily because they believe it, but as a disclaimer they feel like they have to state in order to protect themselves from the mob.

Like how every public defense of KF over the past two months has been prefaced with something like “Kiwi Farms is a horrible, reprehensible website and I definitely think doxxing is wrong, BUT…”
That's what I'm sayin. They wouldn't print it in a major rag unless there were some disclaimers. Like I said, it's a step in the right direction, but only a step.
 
So something I've noticed is that there's a lot of examples of men leaving their wifes/girlfriends of several years to chase their fetish and troon out, but the innverse (women in relationships trooning out) rarely if ever happens despite the fact that there's more ftm trannies overall.

Is there any explenation reason for this? Is it really as simple as "cock prevents/cures dysphoria"? Are women more emotionaly satsified than men by relationships?

Surely it can't be a coincidence.
 
gonna try not to pl too hard in this pl thread, ive known too many people who have jumped on the tranny train. sorry its so long, its about all the archytypes of people fallen into the trans cult around me.


a girl i used to be friends with, super bpd, use heavy drugs, lesbian (i suspect shes at least somewhat bisexual), distant and uncaring parents, just going down a really rough patch. when i first met her she was in uni, working parttime jobs serving tables or making coffee, goes a bit too wild on the weekends, but so is every 20 yo bpd woman. then she got into "sex work," became a prostitute and had an only fans to support the drug habit, stopped going to uni. next thing you know she is now a fully MAN, got her tits chopped off, and suffering very serious side effects of T just a little bit over a year on it. being a troon is clearly just another step in her self destruction under that bpd retardation, but no one is allowed to say that. stopped being close to her when she got super into prostitution, and has just been watching the wildfire grow. technically I didnt lose her to trannism but general bpd fuckery, her personality is also annoying to be fair, but seeing this mentally retarded woman getting her boobs chopped off is really ... scary? even for normal women who had to get titty chop for cancer reasons its a fucking nightmare and source of immense stress and pain, its rather bleak for me to think of how this already insane and suicidal early 20sth woman is going to react when she gets out of it. and due to the nature of bpd she is for sure going to change her mind on her "trans identity." i wish she will not rope it but its kinda like, if not people like her then who? shes already got much higher risk without the titty chopery.

another is a man in his early 30s when it has all went down. we had many similar interests and aughtistic obsessions and also shared friends. he was a good friend to me and i get the sense he was also into me. then he started to be a he/they, then they/he, then she/they. when he was he/they i was like uh whatever, he's kinda autistic and more on the emotional side and being in a demonically liberal location will do that to you. then it progressed very rapidly, he started taking black market blockers and whatever horsepiss hormones he could get from eastern europe, and legit became psychotic. seeing things, hearing things, having "divine revelations" type full-on schizo. i think he has bought too much into continental philosophy especially the post modern type. he believed going insane and becoming anorexic (he calls it "fasting") from his substance-induced psychosis is actually hecking valid and spiritual and deconstructing and defying norms and all kinds of bullshit over-intellectualized cope you could imagine. now hes got a tranny gf, who i have to say is one of those who passes ok (if you are very drunk or high you might mistake the 6'2 twink as some very tall skinny woman in heels). this really pushed him all the way i think, out of all trannies I know, he is the only one who actually supports fucking tucking underwear for 5 year olds and putting kids on puberty blockers. i had to cut him completely out of my life and told him YWNBAW and his beliefs are creepy as fuck.

then there are the poor, traumatized, and lost hsts. I still have some shreds of symphathy for them. the ones i still know literally have the exact same back stories, early sexual trauma, very adverse childhood experiences, homosexuals, and generally the ones adjacent to the paradigm of "one of the good ones." Many of them were just super feminine and didnt care about pronouns, until the past 2 years. i guess these were the old school type of tranny, the ones people from the 70s would know about. many werent even on hormones before recently, and more had plastique surgery/procedures to look more feminine before pronouns/hormones. very little of them can actually pin point what taking hormones are doing for them, for they usually already had impants and fillers, and it has just been making them super sick and lose all sex drive. which pushes them further into drugs and alcohol. i guess they are somehow similar to the first type, being simply traumatized and mentally deficient, but at least they are not likely at all to have their own kids or has amputated any healthy organs.
 
So something I've noticed is that there's a lot of examples of men leaving their wifes/girlfriends of several years to chase their fetish and troon out, but the innverse (women in relationships trooning out) rarely if ever happens despite the fact that there's more ftm trannies overall.

Is there any explenation reason for this? Is it really as simple as "cock prevents/cures dysphoria"? Are women more emotionaly satsified than men by relationships?

Surely it can't be a coincidence.

My personal theory is that the bulk of FtM are ROGD, social contagion/"escaping womanhood" children. Therefore much less likely to be in a long term relationship or married.

They never get the chance to form a strong, close romantic bond with someone before trooning out </3
 
So something I've noticed is that there's a lot of examples of men leaving their wifes/girlfriends of several years to chase their fetish and troon out, but the innverse (women in relationships trooning out) rarely if ever happens despite the fact that there's more ftm trannies overall.

Is there any explenation reason for this? Is it really as simple as "cock prevents/cures dysphoria"? Are women more emotionaly satsified than men by relationships?

Surely it can't be a coincidence.
Women generally go in looking for more emotional fulfillment in relationships in general. Also, there are quite a few stories of lesbians trooning out, but since FTM is a lot rarer than the other way around to begin with, they're harder to find than the average wife-to-trans-widow story.
 
Give it five years if trends continue.
I actually see FTMs becoming rarer, possibly even pushing the pendulum against the gendercult in general.

FTM detransitioners are fucking wrecks. Visibly so. Even if they don't get their tits chopped off, they end up disfigured by binders and testosterone, they lose hair, their voices change permanently. They get turned into monsters, but they're still women. That means they get "woman problems" attention and sympathy. That's why there's such an enormous backlash whenever a FTM detransitioner goes viral. A man with cone tits is funny. A balding woman with a frog voice is tragic. So they have to try to nip any sympathy towards a female detransitioner in the bud.
 
The daughter of a friend of my family has been trooning over the past several years. She is 20 now, and I've known her since she was maybe 14. At 14 she was a tom-boyish chunky girl. I know for a fact she got very into Tumblr shipping culture at that time, specifically slash gay shipping (for anyone not mentally retarded: it's when someone wants 2 male characters who aren't gay to kiss/fuck/date/whatever and obsesses about the pairing, a practice generally done by straight women and girls), and somewhere along the line her interest in watching boys kiss made her believe she was a uwu soft gay boy.

She was validated on Tumblr and discord by other teen girls LARPing as boys (and some grown ass creepy adults who should never have been talking to her) because they ship gay men, and slowly over time began dressing "like a boy." Dressing like a boy just means wearing too big t-shirts with open Hawaiian shirt over them, apparently. Fast forward to the past couple years, she went on T as soon as she hit 18 and has just recently had her tits cut off. After her surgery she made one of those social media posts where she demands that anyone who is transphobic/rayciss/xenophobic/anti-blm/insertcurrentwrongthink should not interact with her in any way. She doesn't pass as a male in the slightest, still looks like a chunky butch girl just now with no tits and a patchy pube beard.

It's just incredibly sad and cringe to watch this happening, know exactly why it happened (a community of fetishists encouraged her to mutilate herself because they all like the same kind of porn), and know that eventually she will come to regret all of this, blame the adults in her life for not pushing back at all or blame doctors for performing surgery and providing drugs she asked for. Anyone who would have tried to talk honestly with her about why this was a mistake would have been shut out of her life and called a bigot. Underneath all this nonsense, she is a sweet kid with a good heart who was swept up in a fad that unfortunately involved permanent mutilation. If she had been born 10 years earlier she would have just been a goth or emo or something and the biggest regret she would have had was having bad hair or bad makeup for a short period of her teen years. I really hate that this is where we're at.
 
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