Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

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I don't know how to deal with losing the closest person in my life over gender shit. I know they would feel personally hurt over my opposition to transing kids, let alone the rest of transgenderism, and would not be friends with me any longer. I've already lost multiple people over it who I cared about but have still managed to not let this person know my views. I am just sick of this, I wish I could just go along with trans ideology, it would be so much easier. I can't just simply stop talking to them because our lives are fairly intertwined, I would have to majorly change my life if this relationship ends.
 
I don't know how to deal with losing the closest person in my life over gender shit.
"Fuck you for wanting to violate people, children especially. You fucking monster, you should be ashamed.
I know they would feel personally hurt over my opposition to transing kids
Pedos feel hurt when they can't rape children.
I've already lost multiple people over it who I cared about but have still managed to not let this person know my views.
You will feel more alone with people you have nothing in common with. Being alone is not that bad, and choosing to be friendless instead of giving in to actual evil is an admirable thing.
I wish I could just go along with trans ideology, it would be so much easier.
That's how they get you.
I can't just simply stop talking to them because our lives are fairly intertwined,
If it isn't work related, I see why not. And you have no reason to feel awkward about it. You are not the one wanting to violate people.
 
there's a pretty based (for The Guardian) article here.


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t was 3am and I’d had a lot to drink; two reasons why I was pressing my boyfriend of 10 years on why he hadn’t yet proposed. We were strong and happy, and loved each other madly, so his reticence seemed ludicrous to me when sober, let alone drunk. I suspect it was my ceaseless questioning that ultimately blew a fuse in his brain, because that’s when he told me his secret.

When I woke up, he was gone. I watched his WhatsApp status like it was the heart monitor of an ailing relative. The second I saw “online”, I called and asked him to come home. To talk. To answer the questions that I’d scribbled illegibly on a half-folded piece of A4 paper.


He walked through the door and sat down, his face masked with fear. “What were you trying to tell me?” I asked hopefully, all too aware of how different things can look when alcohol is no longer shaping your every thought.

“I have gender identity issues,” he blurted, eyes fixed on the floor. “I just … don’t identify with being male,” he said. My throat thickened. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. I knew this person better than anyone in the world, but could in no way reconcile him with the words coming out of his mouth.

“Well, what do you identify with?” I pleaded, panicking.

“I don’t know – like, non-binary, or … ” Oh my God, what was he about to say? “ ... trans.” The word flooded my body with a surreal disbelief.

I was already sure, cold and emphatic: this was done. We were done. “But why?” he implored.

“Because I can’t be … I don’t want to be with a woman.” It was surprising to me how obvious this fact was, because everything else was suddenly underwater.

“But I don’t know how far it will go yet,” he said. “I don’t know anything yet. Except that our relationship is more important than my gender.”

My questions were redundant. Their purpose was to establish where we go from here, but in the private theatre of my mind, the curtains closed at every turn. Soon, my sister was outside. I tried to articulate why I’d asked her to collect me and why I had a suitcase. She knew something was wrong, of course, but she had no idea of the magnitude.

“He … He … thinks he might be … ans.” I couldn’t get it out of my mouth.

“What? What are you saying, Feebs?”

“He thinks he might be trans.” We stood on the dark street, cobbles glossed with rain, and wept. Her tears soaked my shoulder, and mine hers. We drove back to hers. I sat in silence, numb, watching the rain blur the brake lights in front of me while she continued to sob – for me, for him, and I guess for the future brother-in-law she’d just lost.

For a week in January, she held my hand every night while I stared at the ceiling, watching her alarm clock announce the time in a glaring sequence of oblongs: 12.10am. 2.36am. 3.30am. 5.05am. 6.16am. The second 7am hit, I got in the shower just so I could cry in peace.


My new therapist was a large woman with a kind face whose accent I couldn’t decipher. She worked from a light-flooded conservatory, which seemed sensible given the dark and endless trauma she mined from people’s lives. I spilled the story chaotically. “He was so sympathetic when I was on my period,” I yelped. “He would practically sprint to the shop to buy me ibuprofen or tampons. Is that because he wished he was having periods?” Her response was reassuringly rational. “If he was jealous of you, it would have manifested in anger, not kindness. He was kind to you because he loved you, and didn’t like seeing you in pain.” I realise now that I was focusing on the trivial in order to avoid the stark truth: that the person around whom my world revolved was disappearing, and I was just stuck here, waiting for them to go.

At once gender was all around me, screaming in my face. Forms asking me if I am male, female or whether I’d prefer not to say. How many times had he dared himself to tick something other than “male”? Every time I used a public loo I wondered if he wanted to use the women’s. Munroe Bergdorf was making history as the first transgender woman on the cover of Cosmopolitan magazine. Had he bought a copy? The trans flag emoji appeared every time I wrote the word “trans” on WhatsApp (142 times a day). It was at once the most shocking and casual thing in my life. I surveyed women everywhere, as if every fifth person might be trans. Then there were the subtle, bordering-on-comical triggers at every turn. The Trans by JanSport-branded backpack on the train, and an article titled “Time to transition”, about city folk fleeing London for somewhere leafy. It was inescapable. On the political stage, the UK government was being rightly condemned for failing to ban conversion practices for trans people. In Ukraine, many of them were denied safe passage at the border, while in the US protesters were rallying against conservative anti-trans bills. It was a time of global reckoning, and a long overdue one at that, but selfishly I yearned for some respite.

Forsaking our bond seemed like madness. This is 2022! If Harry Styles says it’s OK then it’s OK!

Packing up my stuff, we vacillated between sorrow that our relationship was over, and hope that we’d never let each other go. Not platonically, anyway. When I stayed over, we clambered into bed early, head to head, our legs entangled, his skin warming mine. I could usually read him as easily as the top line of an optician’s chart, but now I wasn’t so sure. His angular face seemed soft, the ridge of his brow less pronounced, his skin free from stubble. In the morning, there came a point where we both knew that we were going to kiss. And then we had sex.

“I thought you’d still love me, but I didn’t think you’d be able to see me like that again,” he messaged. I felt helpless, sensing the abject hope between the lines. And so, for us, I tried. In a way that I suspect any self-respecting liberal would do. I sought out an article that listed everything gender progressive that Harry Styles had ever said. “It’s like anything – any time you’re putting barriers up in your own life, you’re just limiting yourself. There’s so much joy to be had in playing with clothes,” he told Vogue. By the time I’d mentally reduced the situation to an ideal of androgynous dressing, forsaking our bond suddenly seemed like madness. This is 2022! Love is love, and if Harry Styles says it’s OK then it’s O-fucking-K! I didn’t fall in love with a trans woman, I fell in love with a person who happens to feel like their body is a burden, who just wants to be a little more femme.

But reality soon careered into view. “If I was going to be a beautiful woman I’d have had to have transitioned when I was a teenager. Now I’m scared I’m going to be ugly,” he confided, contemplating the ravages of puberty and testosterone. He mentioned hormones with earth-shattering nonchalance, saying he’d wait a year to see how he felt about the superficial stuff – clothes, piercings, hair – then make a decision. I read that oestrogen can make a man infertile in as little as six months. Six months! I had desperately wanted his child, though the impulse was quickly supplanted by a surge of uninspired rage. If I can’t have his baby, then no one should be able to. And so I silently willed him to start taking the hormones as soon as medical signoff would allow, a biting form of closure.

Man, this was confusing. The devastatingly handsome boy I met on the first night of university, whom I’d grown up with, and built a home and a life with, who was by my side when my dad was sick, who ran me baths and made me ramen, with whom I shared an ocean of hopes and dreams, could or would no longer be mine.


And now what? I felt vastly exposed. I was doing everything differently, sheepishly, whether ordering coffee at the place I always had, or re-registering with the same estate agents who’d shown us around family homes. Meanwhile it felt like he was on a rocket ship to the moon. Try sitting at home with only antidepressants for company, while your ex is at a dinner party with your best friends extolling the virtues of full coverage foundation. Then try hearing that the male contingent put makeup on, too. And not only that, but that they skipped down to the nail salon with him the next day. (Blue. He got blue nails. Plus a set of new they/them pronouns.)
I hadn’t quite anticipated the fanfare. Of course, these vignettes weren’t the whole picture – there was their inevitable suffering behind the scenes, and truly I wanted nothing more than for them to feel safe and supported, but watching those closest to me celebrate the erosion of the person I loved was crushing. I knew my ex’s pain had roots far deeper and more gnarly than mine, but anger began to bubble. It transpired they’d had a near identical conversation to the one we’d had that fateful night with a mutual friend months previously. And that they’d been engaging with trans social media accounts for almost a year. Seeing a fire emoji – merely a sign of solidarity – left on a trans woman’s Instagram from June 2021 scorched a hole in my heart.
I was mad at those who professed to get it because they, too, had been through a breakup. I have dived into a swimming pool but that does not make me Tom Daley. I knew it came from a good place but please, no. It’s absolutely not the same. I don’t want to deny anyone their own suffering, and I know that there’s commonality in the heartbreak and the loss. But not the shame. Not the guilt, or the incredulity. And so I reached out to a support group called SPA (Straight Partners Anonymous). “You’ve come to the right place,” they told me. “We have a growing number of ‘trans widows’ who will very much identify with your difficult situation and the issues it raises.” I wasn’t all that keen on my new label, I’ll be honest, but I agreed to meet someone else in possession of it regardless. Then, the reversing beep of regret, because as it happened she and her partner had decided to stay together, and I felt ashamed all over again, because I couldn’t do that.
I was not asleep at the wheel. My underwear never went awol. There were no signs
It didn’t stop me from trying to understand. I owed it to myself and, of course, to them. I went on TikTok – and was duly transfixed, aware that it had been instrumental in helping them to arrange and affirm their feelings. I listened to podcasts and read interviews, blogs and books. I followed activists, influencers and education accounts, all of which vindicated me in my decision to split. Repression, the very thing I’d need to make things tenable, is no basis for any relationship, and it’s certainly not the action to ask of someone who has been practising it for years already. They needed to be able to wear pink suits and platforms in peace. To go by the new name that was floated gingerly, and soon after voiced in abundance. To throw off the shackles of the former and flourish in the new, so that when their ex calls to say they might like to write about the situation, they feel comfortable and confident enough to give their blessing (it goes without saying that this piece wouldn’t have happened without their consent).
Before learning their secret, I’d shared infographics on trans rights, and toasted the cause at Pride. But it was only the L, the G and the B that I’d been familiar with. The T and the Q, however, is where I become shamefully unstuck, not least because, prior to this experience, I knew precisely zero non-binary or trans people. We twenty- and thirtysomethings are sandwiched between two ideologically and societally opposed generations. My dad, liberal, lovely, but resolutely a Yorkshireman, knows as much about gender dysphoria and all its nuances as I do about the stock market. Then there’s gen Z, who are seemingly born as blanks, encouraged to colour and contour themselves as they please, no labels, judgment or questions asked.
I, on the other hand, was bombarded with inquiries. After the “I’m so sorry” refrain, came “Were there any signs?”. It dances in people’s eyes and pirouettes off their tongue before they even know they’re going to ask it, and when they do, they cock their head and make a pained expression to acknowledge that they perhaps shouldn’t ask something so personal, given that we’ve only ever shared small talk. They’re itching for the full story; the movie cliche – that one day I came home early, unannounced, and found them in a dress, tottering around in my heels, cheeks awash with clownish blush. I get it. But I also get that they really do not. That this is not the reality – it’s not ours and nor that of so many others. I was not asleep at the wheel. My underwear never went awol. And my concealer never met his under-eyes, despite my gentle suggestion sometimes that they might get on. There were no signs.
Talking was a tonic while writing, accompanied by an actual gin and tonic, made the unbearable bearable. I leaned on the philosophy of amor fati, which means to “love one’s fate”. It liberated me in part from exhausting heartache and existential dread, providing hope that sooner rather than later I would look back and think that my life was never supposed to be any other way. That one day I’d be happy again (I am), that one day I’d fall in love again (I have), and that this gargantuan thing had no business manipulating my memories and messing with this most formative and joyous decade of my life. It helped a lot. As did a magic mushroom trip, since you ask.
Seven months on, I am proud of my ex – for having the courage to utter the words, and the conviction to follow them through, crop tops and all. There are many things they will never understand about my experience, but there are far more I will never understand about theirs. The image of them at the dinner party that night, high on the fumes of their authentic self, no longer sucks the breath from my lungs. And now I am confident that in the not too distant future we will sit at a table together and reminisce about our imperfect, profuse and untamed love. And raise a glass to the fact that they’ve never been happier.


Her:

 
I was not asleep at the wheel. My underwear never went awol. There were no signs
A nightmare of every woman in a relationship. The absence of any signs that your partner is a pedo/closeted gay/tranny.

She still gaslighted herself into believing it was all for the best for him.
It's a good thing. She can now move on without any regrets and guilt for not being able to stop him.
 
The fact that they printed any of her initial fears and negative thoughts is a step in the right direction. Other women need to see that these thoughts are normal, especially the conclusion she came to that repression isn't a foundation for a healthy relationship. Plus, if she hadn't ended with acceptance, the article wouldn't be as effective or widely read.
 
I don't know how to deal with losing the closest person in my life over gender shit. I know they would feel personally hurt over my opposition to transing kids, let alone the rest of transgenderism, and would not be friends with me any longer. I've already lost multiple people over it who I cared about but have still managed to not let this person know my views. I am just sick of this, I wish I could just go along with trans ideology, it would be so much easier. I can't just simply stop talking to them because our lives are fairly intertwined, I would have to majorly change my life if this relationship ends.
Yes, it would be easier, but the consequences of such a decision would haunt you for the rest of your life.

Friends come and go. Your own well being is more important. And if you truly see this person as a close friend, you would tell them the truth. The best way of expressing that you care about someone’s well being is giving them the honest truth. Even if they don’t want to hear it.
 
The fact that they printed any of her initial fears and negative thoughts is a step in the right direction. Other women need to see that these thoughts are normal, especially the conclusion she came to that repression isn't a foundation for a healthy relationship. Plus, if she hadn't ended with acceptance, the article wouldn't be as effective or widely read.
trannies still mad tho:

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Also I'm a bit confused by this:

It was 3am and I’d had a lot to drink; two reasons why I was pressing my boyfriend of 10 years on why he hadn’t yet proposed.

Like, what is with all this LGBTQ+ ally faggotry, half the pictures on her insta are dudes kissing each other, yet her boyfriend has to propose to her? Why can't she ask? She's been getting dicked by this dude for 10 years, couldn't she just book a registry office for tomorrow?
 
trannies still mad tho:

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Also I'm a bit confused by this:

It was 3am and I’d had a lot to drink; two reasons why I was pressing my boyfriend of 10 years on why he hadn’t yet proposed.

Like, what is with all this LGBTQ+ ally faggotry, half the pictures on her insta are dudes kissing each other, yet her boyfriend has to propose to her? Why can't she ask? She's been getting dicked by this dude for 10 years, couldn't she just book a registry office for tomorrow?


Of course they're mad. Anything but a complete vanity piece about how awesome and brave and stunning and whatever they are is met with utter opposition. And even then sometimes is met with opposition. But this isn't an article written for them. It's for the normies like the author who are for the first time met with an actual real-life situation of the trans movement, not some abstract "support trans rights" infographic posted to social media, like was mentioned. It's for women out there in her situation to be able to see that they don't have to roll over and take it, to be stuck in a relationship full of resentment.
 
there is nothing trannies hate more than anyone close to them putting themselves first rather than spending their time "supporting" and "validating" their transition. doing that is being self centered and narcissistic, while ruining your relationships due to your mental illness from porn addiction is so Brave and Righteous that the world must stop to applaud
 
This is the most heavy thread on the farms. Whenever I come and read the accumulated posts I am always filled with sadness and a lingering feeling I shouldn't come back for my own mental health and that is just as an outsider looking in at situations that seem unbearable for those effected. At the same time, it's full of genuine heart-warming support that makes it feel like there is still some warmth in the world. My biggest take-away is the shocking amount of abuse and manipulation of women forced into adjacency of the tranny-sphere by MtFs... those stories are always so visceral and just show how often it's nothing but a ploy for control and fetish fulfillment. It really makes me appreciate the farms for giving them a place to vent about it as I would bet anything trans-widows would probably be one of the most savagery attacked groups on the normie internet.
It's a heavy thread, but I've come to cherish it. There's no place on the internet that I have found where I can speak, without censorship, on my first-hand experiences with the abusive and manipulative nature of TIMs and the Trans Rights movement as a whole. There's Ovarit, of course, but I've found them much too misandrist to be around. I don't hate men, my father is one, after all. Even through bad experiences, we have the benefit of being able to see patterns in the behaviours of these terrible men, and warning others, not that many people seem to be listening.

I've tried, in the past, to speak on these experiences with my now-former friends, and I was met with responses demanding I use his pronouns, that he was just a pooooooor mentally ill transgender 'woman' and he didn't really mean it, that not all transgender individuals are like that. Fuckall sympathy, because I was committing the thoughtcrime of referring to a man, 6'+, born with testicles, a penis, and capable of sperm production, as "he". It is absurd to me that an autistic gossip forum of all places is a place where I find understanding and shared experience. It's the Yaniv and the CWC cases all over again, over and over, demanding victims of abuse walk on eggshells around narcissistic, worthless, weak men to avoid hurting their feelings. I lost years of my life, my health, spent a small fortune trying to repair my mind and spirit, and I'm expected to protect him? It's absurd! It's just more gaslighting and manipulation. By "validating" (I truly hate this word) the identity of these men, it seems to me that they're condoning this behaviour within their community. It's disgusting, it's cultish, and it's abusive.

I am just sick of this, I wish I could just go along with trans ideology, it would be so much easier.
I hear you, I understand you.

I hate these creepy fucks, I really do, but part of me wishes we'd all just shut up and get it over with so we can get back to dealing with our real issues. Issues with reaganomics still plaguing the US in barely-disguised corporatism, workers' rights, poor city planning and land allocation, environmental and natural resource protection, better parental support, responsible farming practices that don't rape and murder our topsoil (dustbowl, anyone?), better public transportation solutions, cost of healthcare, an outdated education system, cut funding to art and music programs for children, housing, I can think of a million other things the left could, ought to, be focusing on instead, but here we are, still bickering ineffectually about eunuchs. It's exhausting and frustrating. Both mainstream political parties are laughable shells of their ideals, it's depressing. If I didn't know any better, I'd say the Trans Rights movement is a ploy by the elite to keep us all too busy and angry to notice any of our real problems, but conspiracy theories are something I try to avoid espousing.
 
It's disgusting, it's cultish, and it's abusive.

It's like establishing a beachhead in the brain. "No, you weren't abused my a man. You were abused by another woman. Because I said so." People throw around the term "gaslighting" way too much these days, but if that isn't the perfect example. It's like something the Devil or Darkseid would give you a promotion for if you suggested it at the misery-mill.
 
That Guardian article is heartbreaking. What a horrible loss of innocence.

And sad that she felt like she was obligated to feel guilty about it. It’s no different than if your partner unexpectedly told you they were converting to Scientology or decided their true calling was moving to the Himalayas and farming yaks. Nobody should have to feel guilty about mourning the loss of a decade long relationship.
 
My brother trooned out. He's been transitioning for over a decade, I believe I was 12 or so when he came out. He was my only brother and idolized him a lot, I thought my parents were horrible people for kicking him out later on for not getting a job. I believed all his stories about how he can't get a job due to being transgender. That his life is constantly at risk and our parents don't understand.

When I turned 18 I got an apartment and moved him in. And big shocker he stole money from me, didn't get a job, berated me whenever he was 'dysphoric' and accused me of abusing him (he's 6 years old and lifts weights and is a male obvi) and so I had to kick him out. I later found his reddit still logged into my computer and he said really terrible things about my body because he was jealous. That he wishes he could take my body, creepy stuff. It made me feel sick and I still wondered what he's done that he isn't willing to admit even to reddit.

It shattered me, every happy memory I look back on I second guess. The only truly untainted memories I have is that brief time when I was a kid. I took care of him for years, I thought he was my best friend. Before kicking him out I actually found this website and think it actually helped me finally realize how many people had this same story and what an idiot I was.

I'm happier now, even if I still mourn losing a family member. Maybe one day he'll finally have a wake up call, but I'm not holding out hope anymore.
 
My brother trooned out. He's been transitioning for over a decade, I believe I was 12 or so when he came out. He was my only brother and idolized him a lot, I thought my parents were horrible people for kicking him out later on for not getting a job. I believed all his stories about how he can't get a job due to being transgender. That his life is constantly at risk and our parents don't understand.

When I turned 18 I got an apartment and moved him in. And big shocker he stole money from me, didn't get a job, berated me whenever he was 'dysphoric' and accused me of abusing him (he's 6 years old and lifts weights and is a male obvi) and so I had to kick him out. I later found his reddit still logged into my computer and he said really terrible things about my body because he was jealous. That he wishes he could take my body, creepy stuff. It made me feel sick and I still wondered what he's done that he isn't willing to admit even to reddit.

It shattered me, every happy memory I look back on I second guess. The only truly untainted memories I have is that brief time when I was a kid. I took care of him for years, I thought he was my best friend. Before kicking him out I actually found this website and think it actually helped me finally realize how many people had this same story and what an idiot I was.

I'm happier now, even if I still mourn losing a family member. Maybe one day he'll finally have a wake up call, but I'm not holding out hope anymore.
That middle part gave me real Ed Gein vibes. Probably for the best it ended before it got worst, but that is terrible for everyone involved.
 
Why can't she ask? She's been getting dicked by this dude for 10 years, couldn't she just book a registry office for tomorrow?
Aside from the troonery that article is a good lesson for young people - be assertive, even towards people you love. Do not let anyone string you along for a decade when you desire or need commitment and want to start a family. Your partner has to make the choice to commit or leave, or you have to make the choice to leave if they will not commit. Don't let anyone waste your fertility if you really want children, like this woman did.
 
I wanna take the time to post here about an experience I had with an old friend of mine. To shed some light about myself before i go into detail, i am a Male to Female trans person which you might associate with a Troon, which is fine. it doesnt make a difference to me as i use the site primarily to get info on lolcows such as cyraxx, amberlynn reid, chris chan, dillin thomas, for a podcast i intend on starting later on down the line. but enough about that.

This friend of mine is trans, just like myself. i didnt so much lose them to transgenderism, more so the fringe "accept everyone regardless of identity" side of transgenderism. i have no idea what changed them. maybe it was twitter.. but i digress.
i would talk to them about the issues i had with the left side of this ideology, and i would explain to them how people like CWC, Narcissa, are the reason why people hate us, solely because theyre the loudest and thusly tend to get the most attention, often for the wrong reasons.
there was a point where i was explaining to them an issue that I was having with a specific individual, and they followed up with me about why i felt the way i did.

It essentially boiled down to me disliking the fact that they acted out the way they did. for context, this person was someone who i briefly interacted with on twitter (different from the old friend) who presented themselves as female, despite not putting in any effort whatsoever to even make an attempt to pass as the opposite gender. if anything, they actively avoided going out of their way to not pass by consistently maintaining their facial hair, grooming their chest hair, etc.

explaining this to my friend, they basically used this as a form of blackmail, threatened to out me as a "transphobe" because i disagreed with this specific individual about how they presented themselves. the whole experience made me re-think my perception about people who identify as trans, and not so much in a good way.
 
This friend of mine is trans, just like myself. i didnt so much lose them to transgenderism, more so the fringe "accept everyone regardless of identity" side of transgenderism. i have no idea what changed them. maybe it was twitter.. but i digress.
i would talk to them about the issues i had with the left side of this ideology, and i would explain to them how people like CWC, Narcissa, are the reason why people hate us, solely because theyre the loudest and thusly tend to get the most attention, often for the wrong reasons.
there was a point where i was explaining to them an issue that I was having with a specific individual, and they followed up with me about why i felt the way i did.

explaining this to my friend, they basically used this as a form of blackmail, threatened to out me as a "transphobe" because i disagreed with this specific individual about how they presented themselves. the whole experience made me re-think my perception about people who identify as trans, and not so much in a good way.
It was indeed most likely twitter, or more accurately, the internet. Trans ideology and the trans lobby as it has evolved on the internet and in popular culture currently functions exactly like a cult. If you follow what the cult wants (blind acceptance of everything) you are love bombed every day all day, but if you dare to have opinions that deviate from the cult they will either pressure you to conform or attempt to break or destroy you, or simply claim you're "not really trans". You can see it in how twitter troons react to detransitioners, or to someone like Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner.

I'm sorry an old friend of yours was captured by this. But it's probably best to distance yourself from them, someone who threatens to blackmail you over 'wrongthink' is not a friend anymore.
 
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