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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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I am very heavily critical of the forces goading Ukraine into this war and Zelensky, which you are focusing on. You are ignoring where I have pointed out that I hope Russia turns tail for the sake of the war ending before this turns into a nuclear conflict. It takes two to tango, and either side can begin thinking more peacefully than "fight (kill) until the fighting (slaughter) is done." Let's say Russia turns the tide somehow. Would you still feel this way? Maybe you would, but that would be pretty damn stupid if you did.
"Goading?" No one wanted this war, save for Putin. No one wanted this conflict. Had Putin not invaded, we'd be laughing at NATO for being silly warhawks right now, instead of realizing that NATO's fears about Russia are validated. No one is "goading" here save for the Vatniks who wanted Russia to crush Ukraine in clear, blatant violation of international laws. This isn't the Iraq War where America invaded Iraq with the help of international allies like England, Spain, and France. This isn't some justified War on Terror where terrorists from some sand-hole drove planes into skyscrapers killing thousands.

What, did some NATO guys dressed in civilian gear machine-gun Russian civilians at an airport? Russia wasn't being harmed, and Russia could have continued mooching off the environmentally-friendly European nations by feeding their gas and oil addictions and getting filthy fucking rich because of it. You need to check the context. Russia isn't the innocent one here, and they're the ones threatening nuclear war because their gopnik army sucks ass and is getting deflowered by militia forces from some former colony of theirs.

The only reason this might turn into a nuclear conflict is because Russia bit off more than it can chew, and instead of taking the "out" Zelensky offered a few months ago when he told Putin that he won't join NATO and he'd recognize the breakaway republics in the east, they continued to fight for a worthless cause, and now their army is getting annihilated to the point where they have to rely on poorly-trained draftees that are handed rusty AKs before they go to battle.
 
I am very heavily critical of the forces goading Ukraine into this war and Zelensky, which you are focusing on. You are ignoring where I have pointed out that I hope Russia turns tail for the sake of the war ending before this turns into a nuclear conflict. It takes two to tango, and either side can begin thinking more peacefully than "fight (kill) until the fighting (slaughter) is done."
goading ukraine and goading putin are not the same. the reason for this will be left as an exercise for the reader.
Let's say Russia turns the tide somehow. Would you still feel this way? Maybe you would, but that would be pretty damn stupid if you did.
You seem to miss my final paragraph
You might bring up situations in history where a nation agreed to unreasonable terms to end a war. But in almost all those cases, the nation was beaten so thoroughly that its leaders felt it was more reasonable to accept the unreasonable terms than to continue fighting. Ukraine is not in that position.
In that case, Ukraine would presumably be beaten so thoroughly that its leaders felt it was more reasonable to accept the unreasonable terms than to continue fighting.
I know this might be hard to comprehend but just freaking maybe the guy who gave the region free internet for the greater part of eight months (and now onward) doesn't have their downfall at heart.
Elon is a CEO and a tech guy, he is not an expert in geopolitics, and I treat him as such - his suggestion is stupid, and happens to favor Russia. He is an idiot, and one (in that instance) useful to Russia
 
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Also you are confusing me calling out Twitter retards on sperging out on Elon like he is a Russian collaborator for suggesting peace with being surprised Ukraine doesn't hop on Twitter and say "gee wow why didn't we think of that?" I know this might be hard to comprehend but just freaking maybe the guy who gave the region free internet for the greater part of eight months (and now onward) doesn't have their downfall at heart.
I agree on Musk, but he was still stupid about it. Good intentions can lead to bad results when combined with things like being poorly informed.
 
Its surprisingly intact for something that fell from a thousand feet up, nor does there appear to be any impact marks on the ground. Yeah, I know, its just aluminum without even any fuel inside, but I can't help but feel there's something off about it.
It was likely fired at a low flying cruise missile if the claim regarding location is accurate.
 
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So, essentially Ukraine/The West is the bad guy for not surrendering/facilitating Ukraine not surrendering?
I'm saying the West doesn't care about Ukraine and was willing to let this war happen for the sake of their influence. Globalists(EU/UN/WEF etc etc etc) definitely are the bad guys and were the bad guys and that didn't change when Russia decided to fight. Doesn't make Russia the good guys either. Again with the selective reading. As I said, there are no heroes in this war except the ones who have literally no choice but to be there fighting. All the same, it seems redundant for me to repeat talking points about how Russia's government is fucked in a thread that is kind of a circle jerk.
 
Well, I am sure the international clique would have preferred Russia just keep succumbing to pressures put on them frog in boiling water style just like everyone else they mess with, but this is false.
The international community wouldve preferred going green while they pay Russia money to feed them cheap gas and oil.

I'm saying the West doesn't care about Ukraine and was willing to let this war happen for the sake of their influence. Globalists(EU/UN/WEF etc etc etc) definitely are the bad guys and were the bad guys and that didn't change when Russia decided to fight. Doesn't make Russia the good guys either. Again with the selective reading. As I said, there are no heroes in this war except the ones who have literally no choice but to be there fighting. All the same, it seems redundant for me to repeat talking points about how Russia's government is fucked in a thread that is kind of a circle jerk.
False. If the West didn't care about Ukraine they wouldn't help or arm them. It would keep Russia from issuing nuclear threats, and it would keep the cheap gas and oil flowing so the West can go green.
 
I'm saying the West doesn't care about Ukraine and was willing to let this war happen for the sake of their influence.
They're merely giving Ukraine what they need so they could do what they must, what is justified. And their interests when it comes to tard-wrangling openly hostile Russia happen to align. Correlation does not imply causation, comprende?
We wouldn't be in this situation if Russia didn't move on Ukraine, full stop. Whatever shenanigans were happening behind the scenes, it's always preferable to a shooting war, which is what Putin initiated.

I feel like I'm just continually repeating myself when replying to you.
False. If the West didn't care about Ukraine they wouldn't help or arm them. It would keep Russia from issuing nuclear threats, and it would keep the cheap gas and oil flowing so the West can go green.
This is actually a good point. If they really didn't care, it would've been more expedient to appease Russia and throw Ukraine under the bus. But they happen to understand that it's not a proper long term solution, Russia would just continue following their chauvinistic expansionist trajectory if it succeeds in Ukraine, which would spell more trouble for neighboring countries and Europe as a whole.
You could frame it as Europe using Ukraine as a human shield, but Ukraine doesn't seem to mind as long as they're provided with support necessary to do it, and they benefit from it as well by getting a fighting chance against the aggressor that seeks to rob them of their freedom. So in reality it's actually mutually beneficial.
 
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. Globalists(EU/UN/WEF etc etc etc) definitely are the bad guys and were the bad guys
Oh good. Globohomo. Just admit youre a stealth vatnik at this point. If the war was unacceptable to the west theyd have pulled the plug. If the war was unacceptable to Ukraine theyd have surrendered already. If the war was unacceptable to russia theyd have withdrawn. The west looks out for themselves, sure, and they have apparently deemed the costs of supporting ukraine acceptable, with the alternative being the geopolitical problems of a ukraine under russia.
 
I am very heavily critical of the forces goading Ukraine into this war and Zelensky, which you are focusing on. You are ignoring where I have pointed out that I hope Russia turns tail for the sake of the war ending before this turns into a nuclear conflict. It takes two to tango, and either side can begin thinking more peacefully than "fight (kill) until the fighting (slaughter) is done." Let's say Russia turns the tide somehow. Would you still feel this way? Maybe you would, but that would be pretty damn stupid if you did.

That's not how being invaded fucking works, you fence-sitting tool.
 
Oh good. Globohomo. Just admit youre a stealth vatnik at this point. If the war was unacceptable to the west theyd have pulled the plug. If the war was unacceptable to Ukraine theyd have surrendered already. If the war was unacceptable to russia theyd have withdrawn. The west looks out for themselves, sure, and they have apparently deemed the costs of supporting ukraine acceptable, with the alternative being the geopolitical problems of a ukraine under russia.
Right because Americans haven't had any problems with globalists messing with their shit. None.
They're merely giving Ukraine what they need so they could do what they must, what is justified. And their interests when it comes to tard-wrangling openly hostile Russia happen to align. Correlation does not imply causation, comprende?
We wouldn't be in this situation if Russia didn't move on Ukraine, full stop. Whatever shenanigans were happening behind the scenes, it's always preferable to a shooting war, which is what Putin initiated.

I feel like I'm just continually repeating myself when replying to you.
Funny that now you say that peace is always preferable. Which I'm sure will be countered with a sunk cost fallacy of how we've already started. However yes from the beginning I have had to temper the schadenfreude of someone (Russia) standing up to these assholes of the realization that innocent lives are being effected and that it would be better if it were not happening at all, something that world leaders like Biden in that group clearly do not do in their decision making. Russia's attack was telegraphed over the course of months, and yet their posturing was only met with condemnation rather than serious discussion on or diplomacy. They never wanted to get along with Russia. If they did they wouldn't have tried to paint Trump as a spy for trying to do exactly that, and yet so many idiots are surprised it ended up in war? I guess if you have the memory of a goldfish it would be surprising.

But other than switching to "peace is always better" when it suits your argument I agree you are repeating yourself. That is your fault, not mine.
False. If the West didn't care about Ukraine they wouldn't help or arm them. It would keep Russia from issuing nuclear threats, and it would keep the cheap gas and oil flowing so the West can go green.
Yes, the west cares about the people of every nation they have a proxy war in. Obviously.

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That's not how being invaded fucking works, you fence-sitting tool.
For real, as if it's an honorable duel both sides consented to or something.

Of course Ukraine could just surrender if they wanted, no amount of Western manipulation could stop them. But I think it's rather obvious by now that it's not what they want.
They've managed to protect their country and are fighting back, they have no reason to accept Putin's (unreasonable) conditions, he'd have to come up with something more appealing if he ever hopes for Ukraine to meet him halfway. As someone else said, usually in history such conditions are only accepted when there's no other choice, and that's not where Ukraine currently stands, far from it.

@Happy Fish, you think I fucking want it to continue? With each goddamn day the chance that I myself might end up getting forcefully conscripted and thrown into the meatgrinder grows, they already called up but I ignored it. At the same time my own brother is fighting on the Ukrainian side for his wife and two kids, and I can only pray that he survives and I get to see them once all this ends. Gonna call me a warmonger?
This war dragged my life down to the circle of hell that I didn't even know existed. If before I was uncertain about my future due to the lack of decent education and a reliable career that would allow me to take care of my aging parents, including mother who just barely survived cancer and has a list of secondary health issues longer than Ukraine's military shopping list, and starting a family as I'm nearing my 30s, I'm instead worrying about being robbed of even that if I get used up as cannon fodder in the war I never believed in, and same being done to my two brothers.
I simply happen to know what it's like to live under this ruthless, cannibalistic regime from experience, and I wouldn't wish it upon anyone. Ukraine struggles so they wouldn't face the same fate as us. Because that's what "Russian world" entails.
 
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I'm saying the West doesn't care about Ukraine and was willing to let this war happen for the sake of their influence. Globalists(EU/UN/WEF etc etc etc) definitely are the bad guys and were the bad guys and that didn't change when Russia decided to fight. Doesn't make Russia the good guys either. Again with the selective reading. As I said, there are no heroes in this war except the ones who have literally no choice but to be there fighting. All the same, it seems redundant for me to repeat talking points about how Russia's government is fucked in a thread that is kind of a circle jerk.
Right because Americans haven't had any problems with globalists messing with their shit. None.
Being against globalism is nice and all, but what does it have to do with anything regarding Russia invading? Did George Soros being in favor of gay rights mean Russia is morally righteous for sending a bunch of people to their deaths? Is Biden wanting to arm Ukraine to prevent a long term refugee crisis in the name of furthering his globalist ambitions?

How are you squaring this circle?

However yes from the beginning I have had to temper the schadenfreude of someone (Russia) standing up to these assholes of the realization that innocent lives are being effected and that it would be better if it were not happening at all, something that world leaders like Biden in that group clearly do not do in their decision making.
Standing up against what? Putin practically had Germany by the balls thanks to being able to sell them cheap natural gas. They were getting to bypass American sanctions for years because no one was thinking Russia would ever act so belligerent.

It seems like you're trying to connect some local political disputes occurring in the US or western Europe to the conflict to pretend Putin is/was fighting against some greater existential threat rather than it being some stupid attempt at a land grab.
 


Families of mobilised men reporting that they've been dumped without anything in the field. The usual now it seems.


Konstantin / Inside Russia streaming now.


Artur Rehi on the Russian evacuation of Kherson.


Vlad Vexler on end stage Putinism.
 
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Yeah, Russia didn't have nukes. What's your point?

I said "I think Russia is a slow roller, as in WWII". You see, I didn't claim that anything else was the same. Only that it takes them time to get their war machine going. I know military equipment has changed, the actors have changed, Russia is different, Germany isn't fighting Russia, they're not flying prop planes, and people have cell phones now, etc, okay? Jesus fucking Christ.
My point is that "slow rolling" on the offense doesn't work in a modern war.
That shit works in older conflicts, not in modern war. Maybe, maybe, maybe you can make the point that surges of already-trained troops into counter-insurgency campaigns can make a serious difference, but as we are seeing now not in a modern conventional war.

Anyways, the video has probably already been posted several times now, but here's Perun talking about visually-confirmed losses demonstrating how some of Russia's best units have been taking the brunt of the beating in Ukraine.
Brah, that's YOU.
"No u"
You literally addressed my point with "seems stupid to me".
 
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