I hate the Internet and the people who own it

[Luigi]

Can anyone else (particularly another bong) access the clearnet site through TOR or is it just me?

I think it just means your TOR exit node isn't currently using an ISP that blocks it. Think of it as a VPN but the country is random.

If you are using TOR just use the onion link instead.

 

[Throwing Romans]

Nut Neutrality was astroturfed up the ass by Netflix because they didn't want to pay for peering and moved to a shit provider (Level 3). Peering works because big providers produce about the same amount of traffic as they consume, but Netflix was producing infinite amounts of data (movies) and Level 3 didn't have fast enough interconnects for it. So the big providers were "rate limiting" Level 3 by not upgrading the links for free. It really had to do with rate limiting and not blocking,.

Then Netflix realized they could just be a CDN and shove cache servers in every datacenter in the world and so they gave up the astroturfing and nut neutrality died.

Allegedly the Biden administration is going to reinstate the net neutrality rules Trump undid - would that help the farms?

 

[siegemeister675]

I'm going to make a fairly bold proposal here.

We should consider writing our Congressmen.

Okay, yes, it's a long shot. The government is not your friend. But Republicans have a well justified hateboner for Big Tech lately, and their interests may coincidentally align with ours. ISPs should have been designated as common carriers long ago, and may we should start agitating for that. In particular, I think Hawley might be sympathetic, if any Kiwis happen to live in Missouri.

I would certainly appreciate any thoughts on writing a letter in a way that it's likely to actually get looked at. I'm well familiar with the technical issues, but I don't know much about letter writing campaigns. Should Kiwifarms be mentioned directly, or should it be kept vague? Should it be deliberately spun as a culture war thing? Is it better to take a neutral-ish pro free speech stance?

We may be too late to save the Farms, but maybe we can still save the internet.

*rates self optimistic*

This is a great idea. You will get their staffers. Try to get in touch with the staffers on the phone if you can. The thing you want to do is request it be brought to their attention and also to ask for any contacts they have in conservative press. IMO you should only expend the effort if your congressman or representative is a Republican .

Edit: the election is on Tuesday so very little chance you'll get any traction before then. The time between Wednesday and when the new congress gets sworn in is the lame duck session though, nothing actually goes on in Congress during this period, that would be a great time to get them to waste time on retarded internet shit like this dumb forum.

 

[Fomo Hoire]

Nut Neutrality was astroturfed up the ass by Netflix because they didn't want to pay for peering and moved to a shit provider (Level 3). Peering works because big providers produce about the same amount of traffic as they consume, but Netflix was producing infinite amounts of data (movies) and Level 3 didn't have fast enough interconnects for it. So the big providers were "rate limiting" Level 3 by not upgrading the links for free. It really had to do with rate limiting and not blocking,.

Then Netflix realized they could just be a CDN and shove cache servers in every datacenter in the world and so they gave up the astroturfing and nut neutrality died.

Thanks for the nerd level implementation details, that's a more interesting version of the origin story than expected. Not sarcasm, I never thought about the CDN part before.

But alas, I am still a tard. See my tagline, you're free to bully this A&N goblin because I probably deserve it.

Do you know the AU ending of the story? What was supporting net neutrality supposed to do, if the randos on the internet made it happen? I mean, I get that the end result was everyone having equal bandwidth priority, but how was that going to happen?

I was under the impression that just about the only way to make things happen was to make a law that either says you must X or face consequences, or you must not fail to X' or face consequences. So, I thought the goal was to make a law that would place crazy fines on providers for exercising bias in their networking.

But if it is inaccurate to say that a law would not have helped because NN is not a law, what is NN? How does a principle have the enforcement power to override profits?

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Allegedly the Biden administration is going to reinstate the net neutrality rules Trump undid - would that help the farms?

Imagine a world where something the Biden administration does helps the farms.

As far as I understand it, all NN would have effectively done is given the government exceptional control over the tier-1 providers, which they could then use to dick around the internet. Turns out you didn't need NN for that, the tier 1s will bend over in all the ways the government wants for free without it.

It probably also would have ended up with the T1s subsidizing the T3s because all the big content hubs would have gone to T3s and demanded equal access.

OH! the other thing it arguably would have prevented were the 5 GB of data, but accessing Wikipedia/Amazon Prime Movies doesn't count toward the cap kind of plans. Instead you'd just have 5GB of data.

 

[ForTheHoard]

This is a great idea. You will get their staffers. Try to get in touch with the staffers on the phone if you can. The thing you want to do is request it be brought to their attention and also to ask for any contacts they have in conservative press. IMO you should only expend the effort if your congressman or representative is a Republican .

Edit: the election is on Tuesday so very little chance you'll get any traction before then. The time between Wednesday and when the new congress gets sworn in is the lame duck session though, nothing actually goes on in Congress during this period, that would be a great time to get them to waste time on retarded internet shit like this dumb forum.

Thats fine, depending where you live. My congressperson is la goblina and openly supports government and corporate proposed censorship. They're also not in a position to be voted out. If you live somewhere with decent representation, you might have a better shot.

 

[Wasbenzine]

A more detailed look in to the current state of connectivity of Kiwifarms 103.114.191.1 (AS397702).

As far as I know, GTT (Tier 1 internet transit provider, meaning they own a large number of physical fiber cables and can reach the whole internet for, essentially, free) have blockholed/dropped traffic with Kiwifarms as the destination. The reason they can do this is because IP packets have the destination IP (in this case, for Kiwifarms 103.114.191.1) address in them, so they just add a rule to their routers to drop all traffic with this destination (they probably drop 103.114.191.0/24). This means if your internet provider/VPN ISP use GTT to reach Kiwifarms your traffic will be dropped and you will timeout. The reason Null is slightly angry at US-based T1 internet providers is because he has been blockholed by two of them, Zayo and GTT - but the chadly Euros haven't conceded... yet.

Here's the connectivity of Kiwifarms from around the world:
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Small whitepill: even if all T1 transit providers decided to drop Kiwifarms, the network would still be just about reachable from directly adjacent networks. This is because, and Null has mentioned this on Telegram, in Europe hosting companies/ISPs are more interconnected than in the USA - so if your connection/VPN is directly peered with TerraHost you'll have no trouble. This would mean that from your VPN, maybe only 1-5% of the servers would be able to reach Kiwifarms (and that would be in European servers only).

Take this server in Moscow as an example:

So, if all T1 providers deplatformed Kiwifarms, this network would still be able to reach it (ergo, a VPN on that was hosted on this network would reach Kiwifarms). This is because the packets, as you can see, go almost directly from the host's network (AS56630) to Null's network (AS397702). The AS??? is Global-IX in Amsterdam, and AS56655 is TerraHost.

 

[AnOminous]

But if it is inaccurate to say that a law would not have helped because NN is not a law, what is NN? How does a principle have the enforcement power to override profits?

It doesn't.

And do not mistake the meretricious nonsense of politicians invoking the concept of net neutrality for what it actually means.

What it actually means is the shit that is currently happening to US should not EVER happen because the Internet infrastructure should treat all traffic equally without regard to its content, its source, its destination, its anything. If 127.0.0.1 and 10.IN‑ADDR.ARPA want to share furry porn, or child porn, or even worse stuff, like the dox of rapists, oops, I mean consent accident people like Liz Fong-Jones, the network shouldn't care.

Traffic should all be treated equally.

What is occurring is a fundamental breach of the very concepts that led to the creation of the Internet.

Imagine that, btw. Just by being here, you've participated in a Tiananmen Square level event, where history was made. Just by saying this dude does NOT look like a lady.

And saying Elliot is obviously a man, this somehow broke the entire Internet.

I, for one, am proud. It was built to withstand nuclear war.

But apparently troons can beat it.

 

[siegemeister675]

Allegedly the Biden administration is going to reinstate the net neutrality rules Trump undid - would that help the farms?

No net neutrality was just a way for big SAAS providers to bleed the telecom companies and make progressive, tech-illiterate idiots Tweet a hashtag in support of it.

A more detailed look in to the current state of connectivity of Kiwifarms 103.114.191.1 (AS397702).

As far as I know, GTT (Tier 1 internet transit provider, meaning they own a large number of physical fiber cables and can reach the whole internet for, essentially, free) have blockholed/dropped traffic with Kiwifarms as the destination. The reason they can do this is because IP packets have the destination IP (in this case, for Kiwifarms 103.114.191.1) address in them, so they just add a rule to their routers to drop all traffic with this destination (they probably drop 103.114.191.0/24). This means if your internet provider/VPN ISP use GTT to reach Kiwifarms your traffic will be dropped and you will timeout. The reason Null is slightly angry at US-based T1 internet providers is because he has been blockholed by two of them, Zayo and GTT - but the chadly Euros haven't conceded... yet.

Here's the connectivity of Kiwifarms from around the world:
<image attached>

Small whitepill: even if all T1 transit providers decided to drop Kiwifarms, the network would still be just about reachable from directly adjacent networks. This is because, and Null has mentioned this on Telegram, in Europe hosting companies/ISPs are more interconnected than in the USA - so if your connection/VPN is directly peered with TerraHost you'll have no trouble. This would mean that from your VPN, maybe only 1-5% of the servers would be able to reach Kiwifarms (and that would be in European servers only).

Take this server in Moscow as an example:
View attachment 3790736
So, if all T1 providers deplatformed Kiwifarms, this network would still be able to reach it (ergo, a VPN on that was hosted on this network would reach Kiwifarms). This is because the packets, as you can see, go almost directly from the host's network (AS56630) to Null's network (AS397702). The AS??? is Global-IX in Amsterdam, and AS56655 is TerraHost.

Something I just realized: if you're being blocked accessing Kiwi Farms, you can call your provider up and complain, open a ticket if you're a business or enterprise customer. This will in turn prompt your carrier to go to GTT and ask WTF is going on, and since explaining this retarded internet drama makes you sound like an idiot it's gonna build up the heat on them real fast to stop doing it.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

But apparently troons can beat it.

Don't give them the credit, Elliot and Lucas didn't do shit. On their own they are no more powerful than you or I, they just happen to have friends in high places.

Make no mistake, what has happened here was not the death of the internet, but the revelation that is has been dead for some time now. The only reason T1 services have never had to get involved before was not out of inability or unwillingness, it was just that they never needed too. Anyone else in Josh's position kowtowed a long time ago or would have cracked way before he did.

Elliot did not kill the internet. Josh just forced them to use the nuclear option.

 

[Fomo Hoire]

Imagine a world where something the Biden administration does helps the farms.

I mean, I can't imagine it, but it is entirely possible. Here's the story I like to use demonstrate how Biden does good things sometimes, and from CNN no less!

Maybe not this story? Archive generated a new link... Did CNN change their url format?

Hospitals could face $2 million fine for not disclosing prices under proposed Biden rule

Spoiler: The catch

CNN — The Biden administration is doubling down on a Trump-era rule that requires hospitals to disclose the rates they privately negotiate with insurers.

So, not a case of Biden doing better than the alternatives, but he is capable of doing things I approve of.

so if your connection/VPN is directly peered with TerraHost you'll have no trouble

Concrete company or just an example for explanatory purposes? If that's the specific host we need to be able to talk to, is that the only one, or are there other networks that will work?

On LET/LES, there is a phenomena of MJJs that I don't entirely understand, but I feel like I might be becoming one

 

[siegemeister675]

Email I just sent to abuse@sprint.net

Good afternoon,

A person by the name of Liz Fong-Jones is inciting a mass reporting campaign on Twitter again the website kiwifarms.net .https://twitter.com/lizthegrey/status/1588121250836381698

Archive: https://archive.ph/1Y7x4
This person was part of a campaign of libel and slander against the website. Their lies have been meticulously documented. The website follows all relevant laws and does not break your terms of service. For more information on the lies that have been told by the campaign, along with copious documentation, see here:

Keffals: A Case Study on Internet Terrorism and Mass Media Manipulation

Keffals: A Case Study on Internet Terrorism and Mass Media Manipulation For the last six years, progressives and conservatives have waged vicious war with one another across cyberspace. With cultural, political, and advertiser pressure bearing down on these social media platforms, conservatives...

destinygg.substack.com

Please do not give into this terror campaign and abandon the principles of a free, open internet. Thank you for your time and consideration. Please see here for documentation from the Electronic Frontier Foundation on why this is such a dangerous step: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/...rastructure-providers-should-stay-out-content

Sincerely,
siegemeister675 (used my real name)

 

[NoonmanR]

I just hope the farms splinters again, and again, and again and again, each time becoming more alogy than ever before. These trannies wanna complain about imaginary harassment wait until people actually start targeting them for troll ops that aren't just yelling nigger and tranny at them.

 

[Wasbenzine]

Something I just realized: if you're being blocked accessing Kiwi Farms, you can call your provider up and complain, open a ticket if you're a business or enterprise customer. This will in turn prompt your carrier to go to GTT and ask WTF is going on, and since explaining this retarded internet drama makes you sound like an idiot it's gonna build up the heat on them real fast to stop doing it.

That is completely correct and if enough people did it we could even brew a shitstorm. In fact I read a post yesterday of someone here doing exactly that, they phoned their ISP and complained. The issue is that you have to essentially admit to your ISP that you're a kiwi farmer.

Sincerely,
siegemeister675 (used my real name)

You have the balls I'm sure many on this forum don't.

Concrete company or just an example for explanatory purposes? If that's the specific host we need to be able to talk to, is that the only one, or are there other networks that will work?

Kiwifarms is currently hosted on TerraHost in Norway, a subsidiary of Epik which is a freedom of speech host. If you want a company to shout at, phone up your ISP and say 'your upstream is nullrouting packets to Kiwifarms, autonomous system number 397702, my favourite website'.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

nope. Clearnet accesses is still fucked in my end. thanks TOR.

 

[DavidS877]

That is completely correct and if enough people did it we could even brew a shitstorm. In fact I read a post yesterday of someone here doing exactly that, they phoned their ISP and complained. The issue is that you have to essentially admit to your ISP that you're a kiwi farmer.

Just tell your ISP that the site is stalking you and you need access to keep an eye on them as you're building a legal case.

 

[Fomo Hoire]

You have the balls I'm sure many on this forum don't.

Well, pink triangle. I don't know if KF pink triangles relate to 1488 pink triangles, but 1488 pink triangles were for people who liked a little too much balls...

Kiwifarms is currently hosted on TerraHost in Norway, a subsidiary of Epik which is a freedom of speech host.

I thought Null had to keep KF in the US because of legal mumbo jumbo and he consulted many lawyers in his journey to find another country. Did that change or is it more the legal entity of lolcow llc that needs to be American?

 

[siegemeister675]

That is completely correct and if enough people did it we could even brew a shitstorm. In fact I read a post yesterday of someone here doing exactly that, they phoned their ISP and complained. The issue is that you have to essentially admit to your ISP that you're a kiwi farmer.

You have the balls I'm sure many on this forum don't.

Kiwifarms is currently hosted on TerraHost in Norway, a subsidiary of Epik which is a freedom of speech host. If you want a company to shout at, phone up your ISP and say 'your upstream is nullrouting packets to Kiwifarms, autonomous system number 397702, my favourite website'.

Don't mention anything about the site if they don't ask. Just tell them that you get no responses from 103.114.191.0/24 on AS397702 (AS=Autonomous System, the building blocks of BGP), do a tracert if you know what you're doing, and tell them you're getting dropped and it appears GTT is dropping you. Just ask wtf is going on and ask them to inquire.

 

[Stoneheart]

Also these troons are obsessed with keeping enormous databases of enemies. The Farms does dox as a joke, these creepy perverts do it as an obsession. Look at what Tardfinn does with redditors.

That kind of shit seriously runs afoul of EU directives like GDPR.

Even a Nawtsee can invoke the ludicrous, but extant "right to be forgotten" doctrine.

they opened the floodgates. till now they were hiding behind neutrality, thats gone now, now alot of companies will push the backbone filter out more websites. your Chink webshop full of fake products? gone because some company sued in some backwater court in europe to force the backbone to blackhole.

 

[FrickleMyPickle]

Email I just sent to abuse@sprint.net

Good afternoon,

A person by the name of Liz Fong-Jones is inciting a mass reporting campaign on Twitter again the website kiwifarms.net .https://twitter.com/lizthegrey/status/1588121250836381698

View attachment 3790840


Archive: https://archive.ph/1Y7x4
This person was part of a campaign of libel and slander against the website. Their lies have been meticulously documented. The website follows all relevant laws and does not break your terms of service. For more information on the lies that have been told by the campaign, along with copious documentation, see here:

Keffals: A Case Study on Internet Terrorism and Mass Media Manipulation

Keffals: A Case Study on Internet Terrorism and Mass Media Manipulation For the last six years, progressives and conservatives have waged vicious war with one another across cyberspace. With cultural, political, and advertiser pressure bearing down on these social media platforms, conservatives...

destinygg.substack.com

Please do not give into this terror campaign and abandon the principles of a free, open internet. Thank you for your time and consideration. Please see here for documentation from the Electronic Frontier Foundation on why this is such a dangerous step: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/...rastructure-providers-should-stay-out-content

Sincerely,
siegemeister675 (used my real name)

Sent one. Fingers crossed.