I hate the Internet and the people who own it

[HarblMcDavid]

I am assuming for this guy the tracert is not completing. Mine works, I am accessing the farms on my Chrome browser on the clearnet on my default route from my ISP, I am just using it as an example. Guy I was responding to said it's not working for him and the tech told him to get a static IP, that won't do anything.

For a cleaner example, I cannot connect over clearnet except through tor, my tracert reports the following on the final hop it attempts trying to get to KF:

6 * I.am.not.showing.this.servers.address reports: Destination net unreachable.

 

[LaxerBRO]

I’m gonna sperg for a minute - sperg to the extreme. I’m a gay progressive from NY. That sentence right there should say a lot. I came out almost 13 years ago. I saw where the LGBT community used to be, what it started to become, and where it is today.

Nothing, absolutely NOTHING, has black pilled me more about this shit, than the situation with the Farms. I was always a lurker and never really posted until the Keffals situation started up. I was a supporter of troons until I saw them use my former LGBT community’s bully pulpit to attack a gossip website. I was a supporter of the left until I watched the systematic downfall of free speech, using the institutions I trusted. I thought “fake news” was a conspiracy theory until I saw them patting themselves on the back, reporting lies and using that to create more articles to spread more lies. My whole world and everything I have believed in was literally shat on and blown up in my face, by my own “side.”

I no longer identify with the LGBT community. I am still a gay man, obviously, but not a community member. I no longer respect troons and their depraved, sex pest, bullshit. They are all sick and need help, but I’m done with the capitulation. I am still progressive but no longer identify with leftists or their bullshit discourse. They are all hypocrites and don’t know up from down.

I’m just fucking done. I don’t know where to go from here, but I have learned a valuable lesson. I will pick up the pieces and move on. They have created an enemy from the inside. People like me who know how they work and why they do what they do, are the most dangerous. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

God save the Farms!

I am somewhat similar to you as we are both faggots.

I began noticing this shit early on in the Atheism movement circa late 2000s to early 2010s. Then I saw it start to infect the gaming community and concurrently the gay rights movement. They tried with the libertarian movement but by then the Misses boys knew their tactics and finally booted them out of the official libertarian party, a couple years back.

I was somewhat deeply involved in all those movements before they succumbed to intellectual rot save the libertarian party. That alone should tell you about me.

What alerted me was their use of language and ideas to promote a destructive ideology. I cannot speak for you but when I heard their ideas they always seemed a bit saccharin to me, very sweet yet having a slight bitterness. Again, I am a libertarian and I tend not to use emotional reasoning such their ideas always seemed to lack a few steps as compared to a well formed thought process. Just too many unanswered questions.

I think what is happening now is a part of a greater move to direct the discourse people can have online. When this all started is unclear but I believe it was the late 2000s. Prior to then, the Internet, while becoming more popular was less established in all our lives.

Heck, I still remember the day when I printed out MapQuest directions on paper and navigated with them.

Perhaps, like the old adage says "wisdom comes with age" but the real starting point of all this was with the removal of comment sections on news and other sites. I do not pretend thier were not rude statements made about the authors of some articles but lost in that purge was discourse among Americans.

Social Media Is Not Real Life

I do not doubt that statement is true but I believe what many more people read articles online than belong to political groups on social media sites. Such, by eliminating public discourse the only version of the story that is portrayed is the one the author or editors want.

As an example, various news sites ran with the Keffals story. But just imagine how different the narrative would be if 20% to 30% of the comments were about Keffals HRT shenanigans with minors. The author would get hounded with emails from angry readers on why such information was absent, perhaps forcing them to address it.

The choice was simple, eliminate comments and direct discourse.

Now, one might question if such a desire to direct the public discourse was omni-present in society prior to the internet and the early 2010s. Regarding such a possibility, I believe such efforts were absolutely in effect.

But, I think these outcome was greatly minimized due to America being more politically integrated prior to the late 90s. Just look at how many Americans supported Ronald Reagan and how many states he won in 1984.

During this period, I believe Americans talked to each other in real life. Ideas that one had picked up via mass media could be rebutted by your friend on the other of the political spectrum. Such an act now, is much more rare with most of us afraid to discuss political outside of our own ideological circles.

As I have mentioned in another post, one more catalyst to the desire to control the public discourse and in turn conciousness was the election of Donald Trump. I will admit that I do not think he was the best President we have had and his problems were voluminous. But pay attention to what social media said after his election and their actions.

The had meetings and some "reporters" even said it was their job to direct public discourse. As such, censoring of social media went into overdrive. This slow death of the Farms is just another milestone along the slow death of free speech online. Where this will lead us anyone's guess but I think we are in for a dark future unless something can be done.

 

[Azkickah]

Complained to my ISP, let's hope I get something done

 

[Lurker985]

I called my ISP hoping they would at least file a ticket upstream, but they just deflected and claimed "our tools are showing the admin's server is misconfigured" and wouldn't do anything.

Even pointing out I can route from other locations over a VPN didn't get me anywhere, they just mentioned "sometimes, things get blocked for Federal things" but they didn't have anything more to say about that and dropped it. After determining the block wasn't on my end for about 20 minutes, they really wanted to say was "nothing they can do" and blame the site. Even after acknowledging an intermediate ISP was where the traffic was being stopped, they still leaned on blaming the site's configuration.

Maddeningly frustrated with the state of the ISPs.

 

[siegemeister675]

For a cleaner example, I cannot connect over clearnet except through tor, my tracert reports the following on the final hop it attempts trying to get to KF:

Great example. Here you would point the tech to the IP ("hop") before this and tell them this is where the problem is, they need to open a ticket with the owner of the next router in the chain.

 

[ForTheHoard]

I got requests pushed through AT&T as well. They weren't as polite as Comcast but even if nothing comes of it, they knocked $30 off this month's bill for my trouble. The resolution expert they forwarded me to was googling kiwi farms during the conversation and started reading news articles to me about how it's a harassment website lol.

 

[Fomo Hoire]

They weren't as polite as Comcast but even if nothing comes of it, they knocked $30 off this month's bill for my trouble.

> Complain KF.net down
> Get credit back on internet plan
> Use savings to get a few months of VPN
> Access KF.net
> Fuck the resolution expert

But how will we get this plan to all the poor lost birbs who can't read this thread because they don't already have a VPN?

 

[DavidS877]

I got requests pushed through AT&T as well. They weren't as polite as Comcast but even if nothing comes of it, they knocked $30 off this month's bill for my trouble. The resolution expert they forwarded me to was googling kiwi farms during the conversation and started reading news articles to me about how it's a harassment website lol.

Did you tell them about Twitter?

 

[ForTheHoard]

Did you tell them about Twitter?

Sort of. They asked me to contact Josh to make sure he wasn't blocking them. I told them I had already spoken to him and this was the result of activists harassing infrastructure companies.

It also just occurred to me that I have connections to an AT&T regional executive. I'm going to shoot him a text message and see what he thinks about the whole ordeal.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Sort of. They asked me to contact Josh to make sure he wasn't blocking them. I told them I had already spoken to him and this was the result of activists harassing infrastructure companies.

It also just occurred to me that I have connections to an AT&T regional executive. I'm going to shoot him a text message and see what he thinks about the whole ordeal.

Update, just got off the phone with the AT&T executive. He's looking into it, but he reminded me that they personally blocked access to 4Chan for 3 years until their CEO started receiving threats that they were going to be DDoSed over it and they backed off. He's going to try and make some phone calls but his initial suspicion is that they, as a company, would support us being banned by their upstream.

 

[WhiteNight]

@LaxerBRO:

Perhaps, like the old adage says "wisdom comes with age" but the real starting point of all this was with the removal of comment sections on news and other sites.

It is easy to forget that years ago even CNN had a comment section on its articles where anyone could reply. By contrast, a few years later, during the 2020 Summer of Love, Google forced the conservative website The Federalist to remove comments from their site (or else be purged from their ad platform) since they didn't approve of what readers were saying:

https://twitter.com/Google_Comms/status/1272997425821540352

Similarly, the Dissenter browser plugin, which allowed anyone to write comments on any website which other users of the plugin could read, was quickly banned from all app stores because they didn't like what people were saying.

 

[Delusion]

Because no transwoman fakewoman says she wants to get married, have kids and take care of her husband.

Idk if I would be interested in trying to explain that to a random customer service rep just to be inevitably denied further service.

 

[Botchy Galoop]

Curiouser and Curiouser.
My ISP, Starlink, was not allowing access to KF clear net until sometime this AM.
Thanks Elon!

Edit to say, I'm an idiot. I still had VPN thru Iceland operating....
Starlink IS NOT connecting me to clearnet.
I'll join about 4000 other people today saying, "FUCK YOU ELON"

 

[Mitt Doggy Dogg]

Static pages should be much easier to keep up. Source the material from various places.

Unfortunately, SEO could be impossible with stuff like this: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202...ying-search-results-if-theyre-the-right-kind/

Oh yea if I was to do it I would use a static generator that turned markdown into HTML. I used one for a tech blog for year's and it was way faster then WordPress. There's a lot of newer ones out nowadays I think octapress was the first one I used like a decade ago and now there's a bunch of node ones I used to build some api docs a few times in recent years

 

[Imperial Citizen]

Update, just got off the phone with the AT&T executive. He's looking into it, but he reminded me that they personally blocked access to 4Chan for 3 years until their CEO started receiving threats that they were going to be DDoSed over it and they backed off. He's going to try and make some phone calls but his initial suspicion is that they, as a company, would support us being banned by their upstream.

I looked that up and it does not seem that they blocked 4chan for 3 whole years. AT&T did block 4chan temporarily for a few days after a customer complained that they were being DDoSed from what appeared to be from 4chan. Did the executive say three years or three days?

 

[Zoobles]

I’m gonna sperg for a minute - sperg to the extreme. I’m a gay progressive from NY. That sentence right there should say a lot. I came out almost 13 years ago. I saw where the LGBT community used to be, what it started to become, and where it is today.

Nothing, absolutely NOTHING, has black pilled me more about this shit, than the situation with the Farms. I was always a lurker and never really posted until the Keffals situation started up. I was a supporter of troons until I saw them use my former LGBT community’s bully pulpit to attack a gossip website. I was a supporter of the left until I watched the systematic downfall of free speech, using the institutions I trusted. I thought “fake news” was a conspiracy theory until I saw them patting themselves on the back, reporting lies and using that to create more articles to spread more lies. My whole world and everything I have believed in was literally shat on and blown up in my face, by my own “side.”

I no longer identify with the LGBT community. I am still a gay man, obviously, but not a community member. I no longer respect troons and their depraved, sex pest, bullshit. They are all sick and need help, but I’m done with the capitulation. I am still progressive but no longer identify with leftists or their bullshit discourse. They are all hypocrites and don’t know up from down.

I’m just fucking done. I don’t know where to go from here, but I have learned a valuable lesson. I will pick up the pieces and move on. They have created an enemy from the inside. People like me who know how they work and why they do what they do, are the most dangerous. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

God save the Farms!

I ain't no queer, but my biggest loss on the internet in recent years was r/RightWingLGBT. It was the only non-radicalized subreddit to share reasonable middle of the road conservative ideas and it was shut down just for the simple fact that they weren't gay handmaidens to progressive ideology.

 

[repentance]

I saw this question asked on another forum and it seems relevant. Blake Willis (Zayo) said that the issue of KF would be coming up at the RIPE meeting in Belgrade. Video of the event is available on youtube if anyone has the patience to go through the video and find any discussion of us.

RIPE 85 - Day 1 (Main Room)

RIPE 85 took place in Belgrade, Serbia from 24-28 October 2022. You can check the presentation archives at:https://ripe85.ripe.net/archives/-----------------...

www.youtube.com

 

[Smug Cat]

100%.

Profoundly unfortunate. Thank you for clarifying.

For opsec reasons I won't be anything other than extremely vague, but I will look into some things.

G_D bless the Legitimate State of Israel and His Holy People, for the Farms has been consistent for me using an Israeli VPN.

Yeah my VPN through Tel Aviv has been completely flawless. Do recommend. The only problem is that all websites using localization are now in Hebrew.

 

[SenutiSolidus]

Profoundly unfortunate. Thank you for clarifying.

For opsec reasons I won't be anything other than extremely vague, but I will look into some things.

Yeah my VPN through Tel Aviv has been completely flawless. Do recommend. The only problem is that all websites using localization are now in Hebrew.

yeah, it was a bit of a shock when i got emails screaming at me that people had logged into my account from Israel, then it dawned on me.

 

[Smug Cat]

Curiouser and Curiouser.
My ISP, Starlink, was not allowing access to KF clear net until sometime this AM.
Thanks Elon!

Edit to say, I'm an idiot. I still had VPN thru Iceland operating....
Starlink IS NOT connecting me to clearnet.
I'll join about 4000 other people today saying, "FUCK YOU ELON"

Starlink dindu in this case. When you connect to a website, the request goes through a number of intermediary networks before reaching the network that hosts the website. One of these intermediary networks, which connects large chunks of the internet to each other but doesn't directly connect to people like you at home, is blocking the Kiwifarms. There are good odds Starlink isn't even aware of the issue.

That said I highly recommend you politely complain to Starlink about being unable to connect to a website. You don't pay the problem network, but somebody does. If you complain to the person you pay, and they complain on up the chain, eventually the person who actually sucks will start getting bitched at.