Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Adamska said:
Dave, you can shove your shitty OC in all these TV shows, but until you whine at Mommy Kathy to burn more money for films, she did not appear in any films, ie the major events that people actually watch, and is more a Tom Bombadil to the story than a Gandalf the White. No matter how hard you compare yourself to a man actually brave enough to fight in an actual death war and knew its miseries.

Cope and Seethe you wolfaboo faggot.
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No matter how much Dave Filoni wants to have Ahsoka as this big important player in the star wars galaxy she will always be to unimportant for Obi-wan, Yoda, and Darth Vader to even bother mentioning her to Luke in the OT.
 
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Andor being anti-Galactic Empire doesn't stand out to me in a show about the formation of the rebellion. Current year television might be obsessed with juvenile analogies but there hasn't been so much as a whiff of that. Kind of the opposite: the imps reacting with massive crackdowns that are tightening the noose is a big plot point at the moment, but main rebel sneakyman has repeatedly said that it's his aim to make them do this on purpose to drive people to rebel. He's kind of dark, and in contrast we have Mon Mothma struggling in the senate and dealing with bankers, and they're both adults as opposed to the screeching sues you get in those shows.

They haven't even mentioned that the Empire are human supremacists and that's real low-hanging fruit so I give them credit for being above that for now. And based on one dead partisan who seems like he'll end up becoming a martyr of the rebellion it feels like much broader classical story rather than anything that's meant to be about present-day bullshit.
 
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The one thing I like about Andor are the ISB meetings, showing the ISB working as a team, competently, figuring out problems and solving them despite internal clashes. The old British guy in charge listens to ideas based on merit, no matter who they're from - the way a functioning society should. Of course, the writers have to associate this with the Evil Empire though.
 
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Having a blast reading through NJO when I stumble upon this nugget:
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~ Extra-galactic invaders establishing first contact with troons, October 3rd 2000, colorized
 
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IDanceonTrannyGraves said:
The one thing I like about Andor are the ISB meetings, showing the ISB working as a team, competently, figuring out problems and solving them despite internal clashes. The old British guy in charge listens to ideas based on merit, no matter who they're from - the way a functioning society should. Of course, the writers have to associate this with the Evil Empire though.
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Which only goes to show the Rebellion fucked up and were the real bad guys all along.
 
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TheAmbiguousLurker said:
The Star Wars Fandom need to learn that 'X isn't as bad as some of the worst of the competition' ain't a compliment. There's a load of dog shit creators in the Star Wars community who'll still be better than Johnson and Abrams
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To be fair, it definitely looks like the bargaining stage of grief.

Oh, they'll soon learn. They all would learn.
 
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I don't really know too much about what is going on with Star Wars apart from the movies, but the brand is screwed because they put out 3 lousy movies in a row. 3 strikes, you're out. It broke the spell for me and plenty of people. I don't have Disney+, just saw a few episodes of Obi Wan Kenobi to see how bad the radioactive sludge they stashed there instead of putting it out to theaters like Solo and totally blew off the Boba Fett style stuff because I don't care about it or the Andor stuff. The Disney movies torpedoed the brand, everything else is footnotes.
 
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AGreatDipAtAFairPrice said:
I don't really know too much about what is going on with Star Wars apart from the movies, but the brand is screwed because they put out 3 lousy movies in a row. 3 strikes, you're out. It broke the spell for me and plenty of people. I don't have Disney+, just saw a few episodes of Obi Wan Kenobi to see how bad the radioactive sludge they stashed there instead of putting it out to theaters like Solo and totally blew off the Boba Fett style stuff because I don't care about it or the Andor stuff. The Disney movies torpedoed the brand, everything else is footnotes.
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Agreed. Even if Andor is the masterpiece the fanbase is claiming it is most normies don't give a shit because they've been burned so many times for the past decade (plus the lack of nostalgiabait apart from being yet another Disney show set in the OT). Preemptive sorry for the food analogy but the movies are like the main dish and everything else ranges from appetizers to desert. Why would I eat at a restaurant that's consistently fucked up the main course (short of taking a massive shit on the plate) but has slightly more edible reheated microwave deserts?

The movies are the flagship of the franchise. Filoni Wars and Genndy Wars don't make up for the PT's shortcomings so why would the D+ shows?
 
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IDanceonTrannyGraves said:
Of course, the writers have to associate this with the Evil Empire though.
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Kind of a dumb point. Should the Empire be inept, would that be better? It's not like they aren't being effective in spite of internal politics that would have left them blind; that element is there too if you really need it.
The imps being an Evil Empire is kind of a fixed point here. It's not a current-day allegory, everybody relax.
 
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Involuntary Celebrity said:
Kind of a dumb point. Should the Empire be inept, would that be better? It's not like they aren't being effective in spite of internal politics that would have left them blind; that element is there too if you really need it.
The imps being an Evil Empire is kind of a fixed point here. It's not a current-day allegory, everybody relax.
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Only because we are seeing the story from the perspective of the Rebel Alliance. Imagine if you were a citizen of the Empire watching the OT on the news. A senator uses her diplomatic immunity to smuggle out military secrets. Those secrets are found in the home of suspected Rebel sympathizers hiding a Jedi Master; Jedi being those magic weirdos that take children from their parents. It turns out that senator was part of the royal family of Alderaan and committing an act of sedition--or several acts of sedition if we're counting the Obi-wan show--against the lawful government, which led to the government destroying an obvious den of Rebels. The Rebels then destroy a base, which is Imperial 9/11, so the Navy went into the wilderness to scatter the Rebel Alliance and capture its former terrorist royal leader. It then ultimately ends with the death of the head of state: the Emperor.

Mind you, CSI: Coruscant would be showing entire seasons of Stormtrooper glowies normalizing the kicking down of doors and shooting of Wookies for growling at them.
 
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Since it seems to be setting up Moon Man's "piss off the empire so they become even worse" philosophy vs Mon Mothma's principled politics I won't be surprised if an actual rebel 9/11 ends up becoming a plot point.
 
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Involuntary Celebrity said:
Current year television might be obsessed with juvenile analogies but there hasn't been so much as a whiff of that. Kind of the opposite: the imps reacting with massive crackdowns that are tightening the noose is a big plot point at the moment, but main rebel sneakyman has repeatedly said that it's his aim to make them do this on purpose to drive people to rebel. He's kind of dark, and in contrast we have Mon Mothma struggling in the senate and dealing with bankers, and they're both adults as opposed to the screeching sues you get in those shows.
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It's what makes Andor so good. It's actually trying to add some reality and not simplistic children shit. Sure it's simplified as it's a TV show, but human movements and revolutions wasn't just everyone one day going, "this is what we need to do." They are manipulated. People making the moves for the greater good, often haven't cared about the suffering of the individuals to get there.
 
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Involuntary Celebrity said:
Since it seems to be setting up Moon Man's "piss off the empire so they become even worse" philosophy vs Mon Mothma's principled politics I won't be surprised if an actual rebel 9/11 ends up becoming a plot point.
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It's actually kind of funny that they've made the Empire somewhat sympathetic, although obviously it wasn't intended. The Empire was fat, lazy, and too busy gorging itself to oppress the populace. You have local corpo security or local army garrisons made up of regular folks with uniforms patrolling most of the known galaxy, and it doesn't seem that they did much outside of shooting troublemakers, boozing up the locals, and collecting space taxes. Things were getting quiet, and had it kept on going like that, the Empire wouldn't be that bad a place to live in; it'd be more akin to Pinochet's Chile than North Korea, a dictatorship that you can do business with. Life would be stable, things would be fine, and unlike the Republic, you won't have seasonal, small-scale summer wars constantly being broken up by lightsaber-wielding fanatics.

Then Johnny Reb steals from the Empire, and all of a sudden, you have trigger-happy Stormtroopers patrolling civilian areas like beach resorts and throwing people in jail just out of suspicion that they might be rebels. It basically goes to show that these idiots live in a hell of their own making. Why did Andor's father-figure die? He got between some Stormtroopers and some troublemakers. Why did Andor get thrown in jail? Because the heist he helped out in made the Empire bitchy. Why did Bix get tortured by the ISB? Because she's a filthy rebel who pissed off an Empire that was just fine letting things go soft until someone stole from them. And it's not a small sum, either, since 80 million credits is more than enough to buy a decent-sized warship. Both the old and the new canon state that a Victory-II-class Star Destroyer is 50 million credits; the thieves stole 80 million, so that's enough to buy a decent-sized warship like the Victory-II AND pay a rebel crew. So yes, the ISB is justifiably pissed.
 
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