Brianna Wu / John Flynt - DEAGLE NATION STILL LIVES

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Francis York Morgan said:
This example of maturity coming from the woman who is looking to being hired for up to $200k as a company's advisor.
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It's too bad that Flynt/Wu doesn't have the credibility or the leverage to make his planned shake-down of the tech industry bear fruit. Hiring a shrieking tranny with a full-blown case of antisocial personality disorder to certify that your company is women-friendly is going to be a tough sell to the board of directors at pretty much every company on the planet. Does Flynt/Wu not understand that businesses that don't operate out of the CEO's basement actually vet contractors before they're hired?

But Flynt/Wu's strategy to branch out from failed game developer to tech industry extortionist does demonstrate that he is beginning to recognize his true skill set in the world of business.
 
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Dr. Merkwurdichliebe said:
Does Flynt/Wu not understand that businesses that don't operate out of the CEO's basement actually vet contractors before they're hired?
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No, she really doesn't get it. She's probably as confused as Chris was when he didn't get that PS4 from a "fan". Her insanely privileged upbringing has left her with no understanding of value, much less an understanding of what people expect from a business they might invest in. I bet a couple of months after SXSW, she's going to be sitting in the Wu house with no investors and thinking "But didn't they hear how awesome and brave I am? Didn't they hear about how much I suffered? Why is no one giving me money?!"

And then she will go on Twitter and scream about how sexist the world is because it didn't give Brianna Wu everything she wanted.
 
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Thank you, Bing.

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Dr. Merkwurdichliebe said:
It's too bad that Flynt/Wu doesn't have the credibility or the leverage to make his planned shake-down of the tech industry bear fruit. Hiring a shrieking tranny with a full-blown case of antisocial personality disorder to certify that your company is women-friendly is going to be a tough sell to the board of directors at pretty much every company on the planet. Does Flynt/Wu not understand that businesses that don't operate out of the CEO's basement actually vet contractors before they're hired?
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Part of the reason certain race-based shakedown operations could succeed is the people running them (hi there Jesse Jackson) actually had the clout to guarantee more or less that if you paid them off, the situation would actually go away. Wu doesn't have that sway with anyone at all. Wu has none of the clout necessary to pull of that kind of schtick because nobody gives a fuck what Wu thinks.

It also helps that most of what Jackson went after actually was engaging in some kind of discrimination that gave rise to a lawsuit with a reasonable likelihood of success.

Companies have every right not to hire screaming lunatics with horrible reputations and a history of criminality even if they're trannies.
 
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Dr. Merkwurdichliebe said:
It's too bad that Flynt/Wu doesn't have the credibility or the leverage to make his planned shake-down of the tech industry bear fruit. Hiring a shrieking tranny with a full-blown case of antisocial personality disorder to certify that your company is women-friendly is going to be a tough sell to the board of directors at pretty much every company on the planet. Does Flynt/Wu not understand that businesses that don't operate out of the CEO's basement actually vet contractors before they're hired?

But Flynt/Wu's strategy to branch out from failed game developer to tech industry extortionist does demonstrate that he is beginning to recognize his true skill set in the world of business.
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I don't foresee any takers for Wu's little consulting proposal. At least when people like Al Sharpton do it they wait for some kind of unfortunate event where they can put the screws to you and position their "consulting feels" as an alternative to a potential lawsuit or public humiliation. In such cases, the path of least resistance is to just cave-in and take the hit. Wu simply doesn't have the kind of social capital to work that kind of angle. Moreover, even to the uninitiated, a single interaction with Wu would be enough to confirm, to any sane person, that there would be no absolutely upside to such an engagement but only nearly unlimited liability and flirtation with disaster. A real Kobayashi Maru if I have ever seen one.
 
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Wikspergery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brianna_Wu#Note_inconsistency_between_sources

"While Inc. Magazine reports Mrs. Wu left school the first time to start her own video animation company, came back, and dropped out for good in 2001, The Boston Globe described her as a graduate of the University of Mississippi.12." Feel free to adjust this as necessary, but it seems safe enough. It just quotes two sources and notes the discrepancy - for whatever reason - between the two. If any issue arises, the onus is on the sources.--Runescrape (talk) 05:31, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
What if we were to change the sentence from "She later returned to college to finish her degree in investigative journalism, then worked as a journalist until she was inspired by the release of the iPhone to work as a graphical designer and create a videogame" to "She later returned to college to continue her studies in investigative journalism, then worked as a journalist until she was inspired by the release of the iPhone to work as a graphical designer and create a videogame." Seems to me to be true no matter which source you credit. Just a thought. Dumuzid (talk) 05:49, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

There does not seem to be any evidence supporting the claim that the subject worked as a journalist either. In fact, nothing written by the subject shows up in any reliable sources before 2012.--Runescrape (talk) 02:59, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

See this Guardian article: [3]. "Four years ago, after working in animation, and then journalism, Wu founded a small development studio, Giant Spacekat." That's something. "Working in journalism" doesn't necessarily mean being in a position where your byline winds up under stories. And I'd offer a (hopefully) friendly reminder that we should stick to sources rather than 'evidence,' per WP:OR. Thanks. Dumuzid (talk) 03:10, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brianna_Wu#Edit_request

I would like if someone added some information about Wu's recent appearance on a SXSW panel about online harassment. E.g. according to the following sources, she "accused social networks of standing by while their platforms were used to spread hate" and explicitly avoided talking or making the panel about Gamergate. [4] [5] Everymorning (talk) 14:54, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Everymorning, usually the process is that you draft an edit you would like to see to the article, then request it be made. If you want to type up the information as you'd like to see it added, it would be helpful. Thanks. Dumuzid (talk) 15:42, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
OK, then let me propose the following addition: "In 2016, Wu hosted a panel at South by Southwest called "Is a safer, saner and civil internet possible?" in which she accused social media sites of not acting to stop their users from spreading hate on their platforms.[1]
I mean, I'm not exactly opposed to including something like that, but I am not exactly sure why it's notable? I would just say not everything she says at a conference is going to be included in the article. Why do you think this is important? I'd appreciate hearing! Thanks. Dumuzid (talk) 18:25, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
The NY Times article is dominated by Wu’s remarks: [6] MarkBernstein (talk) 19:45, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Dr. Bernstein, do you think the talk about social media platforms (or anything else, for that matter) should be included? I am again not against it, but it doesn't feel like it's an improvement to the article at this point. But I am often wrong. Your opinion would be appreciated! Dumuzid (talk) 19:48, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
What if a Software Developer spoke in a forest and nobody was there to hear it? --DHeyward (talk) 01:03, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Ping to enforcing admin HJ_Mitchell — xaosflux Talk 01:49, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
    • This page is under special protections due to an arbcom case, I pinged the administrator, HJ Mitchell; to this conversation to review the protection that they applied. — xaosflux Talk 22:02, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
  • To enforce what? That statements made to a largely empty room are rather insignificant in a biography? --DHeyward (talk) 03:52, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
    • I expect that Xaosflux thought that the "software developer" to whom DHeyward referred above was I, rather than Wu. Among the people speaking in that particular largely-empty room were a member of the US Congress, the recent Democratic candidate for Texas Governor, and every notable Gamergate advocate who was willing to speak on the record; the paucity of audience can hardly be laid at Wu’s feet. I expect Xaosflux was unclear whether DHeyward remains under any notional sanctions or restrictions with regard to me, since this might have broached them, as might DHeyward's sudden interest in finding ways to disparage Martin Fowler, an article whose chief interest to him, not doubt, is that I have edited it. (Fowler’s Refactoring is one of the core texts of current software practice, I've written about it several times in various places, and I happened to be in the audience for Fowler’s famous “gorilla panel” at OOPSLA.) Yes, if remarks made to an empty room are immediately discussed in The New York Times, the BBC, Salon, and the Washington Post, they might perhaps be mentioned in the subject’s article. MarkBernstein (talk) 16:08, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
  • No they were not directed at you, rather that the overall take on the SXSW panel is how it has been largely ignored. Nor have I disparaged Fowler in any way. You just used the term "software developer" to describe yourself and Wu so it can hardly be disparaging to use that to describe Fowler. Considering Fowler's own website uses "developer" many times, but "engineer" is not used at all, my edit there is supported by sources and was an attempt to stop edit war over titles. "Software engineer" seems a title you prefer for him but it is not disparaging to use "software developer" unless you think his own website is disparaging him. Your concern is unfounded as my interest in software, "not doubt", is professional. --DHeyward (talk) 18:09, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Two quick thoughts: first, DHeyward, I have no clue if there are any even 'notional' restrictions that might be implicated here, but I'd suggest discretion is the better part of valor if so. Secondly, Dr. Bernstein, I would honestly like to know your opinion with regard to the edit. The panel(s) at SXSW have certainly received coverage in the notable sources, but I am rather agnostic as to whether there's anything really noteworthy to include in this particular article. What do you think? Thanks both. Dumuzid (talk) 18:16, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
I think it might be somewhat useful to include something like the proposed sentence. It could use some copy editing; I'd suggest: "In 2016, Wu hosted a panel, "Is a safer, saner and civil internet possible?", at South By Southest, in which she accused social media sites of failing to stop users from spreading hate on their platforms.[1] MarkBernstein (talk) 20:13, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
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Dr. Merkwurdichliebe said:
Flynt/Wu is looking exceptionally womanly in this photo:

It appears in this puff piece -- which features no research at all -- right here.
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I dislike this pretense that transgender issues are the same as cisgender female issues. This seems to be a more contemporary version of pretending to be 'colorblind' when it comes to race (or culture).

Pretending that Wu has experienced the same harassment as a cisgender female is simply the Emperor's New Clothes. I'm simply amazed that this is still going on, especially with that photograph within the article.

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http://tweetsave.com/spacekatgal/status/709538601080655874

LOL.

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It's amazing that even with the help of a professional TV crew, photographer and likely Photoshop that Wu still fails to look human.

With photographs like these, accepting Wu's claims that she's a cisgender female isn't being respectful; it's disingenuous because it is totally at odds with her narrative.

I think the media's being coy, though. They're getting to cash in on being 'so progressive' but because their subject isn't 'out' as transgender, they can't really be called out for including a token minority.

What a shame that there are so very few positive transgender representatives to offset Wu.
 
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