Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

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Norks have been selling to whoever's been willing to pay and keep their mouths shut since the 90's. If anything, it would make perfect sense for the Russians to buy extra ammo from them for all the howitzers and rocket launchers that share caliber with existing stuff. In exchange, they can sell consumer goods and food to pay for the ammo.
The only way I'm buying the idea that North Korea is supplying Russia with ammunition is if the North Korean factories still have the tooling for obsolete soviet arms. Russia have plenty of their own factories, and plenty of the necessary resources, but I can see the issue being the fact that nobody was expecting to mass produce ammunition for weapons that were obsolete 30 years ago. If the North Koreans are have the tooling I can see it, but I'm still not entirely sure I buy the theory, it would require a lot of backroom deals, organizing, and infrastructure to ferry the necessary resources into North Korea and then transport ammunition out of the country. Seems more efficient to simply retool the factories closer to Ukraine.
 
The only way I'm buying the idea that North Korea is supplying Russia with ammunition is if the North Korean factories still have the tooling for obsolete soviet arms. Russia have plenty of their own factories, and plenty of the necessary resources, but I can see the issue being the fact that nobody was expecting to mass produce ammunition for weapons that were obsolete 30 years ago. If the North Koreans are have the tooling I can see it, but I'm still not entirely sure I buy the theory, it would require a lot of backroom deals, organizing, and infrastructure to ferry the necessary resources into North Korea and then transport ammunition out of the country. Seems more efficient to simply retool the factories closer to Ukraine.
They absolutely have the tooling for domestic production of the exact same ammo every Warsaw Pact artillery piece has been using since the 1960's and half the world is still using. They never experienced the wave of privatization that Russian industries and thus all the tooling is still likely the same that's been use ever since the Berlin wall fell. Infra is not an issue because there's enough of a rail network down there to have shit be put on a train and arrive in some depot in Siberia.
 
Infra is not an issue because there's enough of a rail network down there to have shit be put on a train and arrive in some depot in Siberia.
It would have to go through China, who are still a litle sore over NK stealing a bunch of their trains in 2006 or so. Any train that heads north of the Korean peninsula probably isn't coming back.
 
It would have to go through China, who are still a litle sore over NK stealing a bunch of their trains in 2006 or so. Any train that heads north of the Korean peninsula probably isn't coming back.
It would not, NK still shares a short border with Russia (yes there is infrastructure connecting the two) and worst case scenario they'd have to ship it not even 300km between their two closest (large) port cities then get it on rail.

It's possible but realistically what would the output be from a few NK munitions factory? Especially considering they struggle to maintain production due to their own sanctions they have to deal with. What's most likely in my mind is NK selling directly from their existing stock in bulk until Russian munition factories can properly kick into high gear/ they're able to establishe more. In exchange NK would likely ask for things they REALLY can't get their hands on like Gen2 Thermals for their tanks or guided munition systems. Not food.
 
Ladies (who are gentlemen) and gentleman of the thread....we got em.

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How many hours of your day do you spend searching for videos of Russian soldiers having gay sex?
I hear his country has a whole month dedicated to those kind of activities. Or is it three months now?

But anyway, how's that Kherson counter-offensive going? Did they find the city on the map yet?

Edit: In case you don't understand the reason for my merriment, consider what happens in the US tomorrow, and how Ukraine not being able to stop losing is going to impact the Democrats' chances in the midterms, and what that means for the gibs meant for Ukraine in the future.
 
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Edit: In case you don't understand the reason for my merriment, consider what happens in the US tomorrow, and how Ukraine not being able to stop losing is going to impact the Democrats' chances in the midterms, and what that means for the gibs meant for Ukraine in the future.
Imagine thinking that even if the Republicans win (which is almost certain, and that's just going by how the party that won the presidency loses the midterms.) that the US would suddenly stop giving shit to Ukraine. Sure, a couple of the more fringe Republican nominees have said to leave Ukraine in the dust entirely, but the most the heads of the Republicans have said is "Stop giving blank checks." which is political code for "We'll say something that makes the Republican voters who want to deal more with domestic issues happy but leave the door open for approving giving Ukraine billions and billions of dollars every month."

Calling it now, even if the Rs sweep the midterms, we might see a 20-30% reduction in funds given every month to Ukraine tops, and realistically won't see a notable dip at all.
 
America bros, do not despair. The gay cringe LARPer known as Malcolm Nonce is returning back to the US because he needs to DEFEND DEMOCRACY, not because he's afraid being turned into a wet smelly puddle by Russian drones or anything.

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Imagine thinking that even the Republicans win (which is almost certain, and that's just going by how the party that won the presidency loses the midterms.) that the US would suddenly stop giving shit to Ukraine. Sure, a couple of the more fringe Republican nominees have said to leave Ukraine in the dust entirely, but the most the heads of the Republicans have said is "Stop giving blank checks." which is political code for "We'll say something that makes the Republican voters who want to deal more with domestic issues happy but leave the door open for approving giving Ukraine billions and billions of dollars every month."

Calling it now, even if the Rs sweep the midterms, we might see a 20-30% reduction in funds given every month to Ukraine tops, and realistically won't see a notable dip at all.
You do realize these midterms are essentially a referendum on how effective the American aid to Ukraine was, right? Since Ukraine couldn't even try to assault Kherson once before the midterms and just kept losing territory, it's pretty clear to the average American that all the American military aid has failed and was just a colossal waste of taxpayer money, which could've been used better to fight inflation and secure the border at home. Ukraine is simply not a priority for the average American, and these midterms will prove it. American elected politicians are opportunists who know when to fold a losing hand.

At most they'll keep sending old Africa-tier junk and whatever mutt mercenaries are dumb enough to take the job, but it will do absolutely nothing to keep Ukraine from losing the war.
 
At most they'll keep sending old Africa-tier junk and whatever mutt mercenaries are dumb enough to take the job, but it will do absolutely nothing to keep Ukraine from losing the war.

I doubt it. It'll all just end up staying the same because America is a Uniparty. The Republican's are just claiming to be less neo-con at the moment due to tribal politics. The reality is they all serve the same establishment.
 
Imagine thinking that even if the Republicans win (which is almost certain, and that's just going by how the party that won the presidency loses the midterms.) that the US would suddenly stop giving shit to Ukraine. Sure, a couple of the more fringe Republican nominees have said to leave Ukraine in the dust entirely, but the most the heads of the Republicans have said is "Stop giving blank checks." which is political code for "We'll say something that makes the Republican voters who want to deal more with domestic issues happy but leave the door open for approving giving Ukraine billions and billions of dollars every month."

Calling it now, even if the Rs sweep the midterms, we might see a 20-30% reduction in funds given every month to Ukraine tops, and realistically won't see a notable dip at all.
In the current political and economic climate its unsustainable. Perhaps you are very well off and do not worry as you spend more and more at the pump and grocery store each week, see your retirement plan take a nosedive or watch those interest rates get higher, the kids requiring higher expenditures for school, clothing, gadgets and extracurricular activities. After a couple of years of this the average middle class family is not going to want to pay taxes so a country in Eastern Europe can pursue a war that not only does not benefit them but instead impoverishes them and their children.

A politician wants to stay in office; they aren't sacrificing their political careers for Ukraine. Disagree all you want but its the middle class that pays the bulk of taxes in the US, and also the demographic most likely to vote. Politicians understand if they continue to ignore the electorate they'll be forced to confront than sooner than later, if they're still in office by that point.

Before you bring up the past remember the post war US experienced an unprecedented economic boom that made Cold War rhetoric easier to accept; people had reasons to want to protect their standard of living. Now that standard of living is sharply reduced, and contracting at an exponential rate every year. That sense of urgency simply isn't there anymore so claiming Russia wants to invade the US and threaten Our Democracy™ is a joke no one takes seriously.
 
I doubt it. It'll all just end up staying the same because America is a Uniparty. The Republican's are just claiming to be less neo-con at the moment due to tribal politics. The reality is they all serve the same establishment.
The military-industrial complex that the Uniparty exists to feed will still profit from Ukraine getting Africa-tier shit, though. It will just happen another way. Now instead of getting paid to provide Ukraine with advanced air defenses and long range missiles, the MIC will get paid from selling F-16s (as an example) to <shithole European country X> who will send their aging MiGs to Ukraine.

It's a matter of PR, much easier for the American public to tolerate the government saying "We sold some F-16s to Romania" instead of "We've given Ukraine another batch of NASAMS which they immediately sold or lost to Russia" while the MIC still gets paid either way.
 
The military-industrial complex that the Uniparty exists to feed will still profit from Ukraine getting Africa-tier shit, though. It will just happen another way. Now instead of getting paid to provide Ukraine with advanced air defenses and long range missiles, the MIC will get paid from selling F-16s (as an example) to <shithole European country X> who will send their aging MiGs to Ukraine.

It's a matter of PR, much easier for the American public to tolerate the government saying "We sold some F-16s to Romania" instead of "We've given Ukraine another batch of NASAMS which they immediately sold or lost to Russia" while the MIC still gets paid either way.
There might be a bit of money to make in Ukraine, but there's plenty of other wars to fight which don't have the same bad press. Haiti is a good candidate, there are places in Africa which are of interest to the military contractors, a lot of Eastern Europe in general have given away a bunch of their weapons and defenses so they're in the market to buy, and the list goes on. The contractors don't need Ukraine anymore.
 
There might be a bit of money to make in Ukraine, but there's plenty of other wars to fight which don't have the same bad press. Haiti is a good candidate, there are places in Africa which are of interest to the military contractors, a lot of Eastern Europe in general have given away a bunch of their weapons and defenses so they're in the market to buy, and the list goes on. The contractors don't need Ukraine anymore.
It's such a great scheme too.

Must hand it off to the Americans, they sure managed to buck break Europe very thoroughly. Most of Europe is now forced to rely on America for everything, from natural gas because dang Anglos blew up the pipeline to military arms because dang Anglos got them to send everything to Ukraine. It's like America is a middle-aged Austrian man and Europe is the family tied up in his basement.

Oh yeah and now those weapons are ending up in the hands of criminals in Europe. Soon you'll be able to get a crate of grenades for 50 squid in the middle of London from an Albanian fellow, just like back in Yugoslavia in the 90s.
 
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