Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[draggs]

So the three main ideas I'm hearing are either:
1) it's a negotiated deal or a basis to get to negotiations
2) Russia is worried Ukraine will flood them out by bombing the dam

3) Russia didn't actually withdraw from Kherson and it's a trap. French intelligence suggested this is the case yesterday. Or day before idr.


E: I also wanted to add to anyone/everyone saying that giving away already produced military equipment doesn't cost taxpayers anything should stop making that argument. Shit has to be replaced. That's where the cost is and with high inflation in the west already, it's going to cost even more. I believe it was the Dutch who said they only have enough stuff left for 2 days of conflict. Gotta get some extra expensive American equipment to replace it or they could be overrun by Lichtenstein in a week.

Of course the real reason is not mentioned

Russian logistics over the river were fucked

If you cant supply an army sufficiently it is better to retreat to somewhere it is easier to supply it, than to have it ground down and strangled in an untenable position

 

[Pork Packer]

Russian copium never gets old,they practiced it for centuries after all.

I have said this before but the reason why russia's political/nationalist sphere is so uniquely fixated on WW2 as its national identity is because its the only major war of significance they were on the winning side for in a solid century, and even then the narrative is a solid 95% cope affair with them aggressively ignoring the inconvenient facts like...

• They only started winning against Germany after Germany's supply and logistics chain broke down before they were able to take moscow (and more importantly the oil and other resources in the caucuses), thanks to the British blockade stopping Germany getting the supplies and fuel it needed to keep the supply lines open and actually have shit to supply their forces with,
• These supply lines and the logistical chain was subsequently buttfucked directly into hell by british/american bombing raids which effectively left german forces in the east unable to do jack shit beyond trying to retreat on foot
• All while this was happening the west was actively propping up the USSR economy and logistical chain with lend lease and loans to keep them from dropping out the war, as Stalin unsubtly threatened repeatedly, not to mention intel via the breaking of enigma
• Despite all this russia still had to burn through so many soldiers it is still causing a demographic clusterfuck crisis to this day
• That half the reason Germany was even able to keep going through 1941 was because the USSR was directly selling it fuel and vital resources to go around the British blockade after having allied with them to subjugate poland

....which are all buried deep, deep in the ground so they can keep cooming over their "WE SINGLE HANDEDLY DEFEATED THE NAZIS WE AM STRONK!" circlejerk, without which they aint got shit to justify their narcissistic self image

I guess they could overtly try to resurrect the whole "MUH HOLY GOD ORDAINED THIRD ROME!" thing but that would probably be quite a hard sell after god failed to have their back these last few months

Ukraine offensive stopped in its tracks by this one, brilliant move:


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Ukraine has just failed in one of it's main goals:
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you gotta admit those are some galaxy brain takes

"And with that, a mighty cheer went up from the heroes of Russia. They had banished the awful city of Kyiv Kharkiv Lyman Kherson, because it was haunted. Now let's all celebrate with a cool glass of cope juice."​

 

[DumbDude43]

I guess they could overtly try to resurrect the whole "MUH HOLY GOD ORDAINED THIRD ROME!" thing but that would probably be quite a hard sell after god failed to have their back these last few months

going full CHRIST IS KANG! mode is impossible as long as they keep worshipping the soviet union and seeing themselves as an extension of it. you can't praise jesus and stalin at the same time, they're mutually exclusive.

 

[76LD910]

Ukraine has just failed in one of it's main goals:

Putting aside the question of whether a shift in congress would even change anything regarding aid, do these retards think the new members just instantly assume power the day after enough races are called ?

It will be months before any seats change hands.

 

[IKOL]

I believe it was the Dutch who said they only have enough stuff left for 2 days of conflict. Gotta get some extra expensive American equipment to replace it or they could be overrun by Lichtenstein in a week.

Imagine being overrun by the military force of a country the size of a pimple.
That'd be an achievvement alright...

 

[potato fan]

you can't praise jesus and stalin at the same time, they're mutually exclusive.

Russia is a land of dualities and internal contradictions
they've built this military mega church,and put Stalin's face on one of the murals. Stalin was responsible for murdering of tens of thousands of orthodox clerics

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

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new russian propaganda talkshow dropped. Everyones faces status: it's ogre. They try to cope with the usual "we are fighting against the NATO, NATO attacked us!" but it does not seem to be working, even the propaganda pros can't pretend to be buying this.
Although it is weird how just 10 months ago, russians viewed NATO as just a bunch of trannies and fags with barely any working equipment, and it evolved into the "no wonder we can't win, we are figthing aginast the powerful NATO!" thing.

That news sneedcaster was right about one thing: It does take a lot of courage to order a retreat, and then cry on television like a sad little bitch about it.

 

[Pork Packer]

Russia is a land of dualities and internal contradictions
they've built this military mega church,and put Stalin's face on one of the murals. Stalin was responsible for murdering of tens of thousands of orthodox clerics
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All boils down to the simple fact that the only things of importance to the upjumped hicks and retards and pencil pushers who make up russia's political/nationalist/whatever sphere regarding aesthetics and narrative are "looking stronk" and "looking impressive" to other hicks and retards and pencil pushers with zero interest or consideration as to how any of it actually makes sense to the narrative or how the end result makes the most garish, embarrassing, and tacky works of thomas kinkade, ben garrison, and jon mcnaughton look subtle and sublime

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

The kind that has ivy on the buildings you dumb nigger.

A barn covered in kudzu?

 

[LikeRivenIRL]

European Court of Human Right rejected russian cause because it was garbage. No need to add ideology to it.

Oh the ECHR said so, so it must be true.

 

[Titos]

I hope Crimea gets carpet bombed and everyone there dies. Nobody but mutants live near the sea. Just look at Bongaloids, Japs, San Fagcisco, LA, Jew York, Boston, Italians. Living near the sea makes you retarded.

 

[Beak Thing]

There's only one major, glaring difference in terms of the cope saying this is just like "Washington at New York or Moscow being abandoned to Napoleon". In both times it was the defending army in the overall conflict giving up their home turf. This is an offending army in the overall conflict giving up land it occupied.

I do agree with the point about Odessa, with how stagnant this war has become, it's unlikely either side will be able to break a natural defense as major as the Dnipro. Either way a guy who's been a source of terrible Pro-Z takes added to his track record.

Agreed, as far as I can tell the withdrawal from Kherson has been orderly which indicates the Russian forces in the area are fairly effective. I also think resistance will be much stronger in this area due to proximity to Crimea, any losses there would be an enormous blow to Russian morale.

The UAF will most likely have to advance through Zaporizhia Oblast unless some unexpected developments occur in Kherson. This does have the advantage of splitting the Russian lines in half, which would severely complicate logistics due to the damage to the Crimea bridge. However, now that Russia is fully on the defensive and consolidating positions it will be a more difficult fight.

I also think the Russian general staff learned from the mistakes at Kharkiv and have applied that knowledge in Kherson.

This is a WE WUZ nigger tier argument and you've also made up the thing about the Dniéper since the Romans controlled Mesopotamia and Azerbaijan, you dumb nigger.

Instead of having your head up your ass all the time, you should read more and look up more maps.

He's right, the southern Dneiper was effectively the border of the Bosporan Kingdom situated in Crimea, which was a Roman client state for around 500 years. In fact it was briefly annexed under Nero as part of Moesia Superior before being restored as a client kingdom. I'd have to check to be sure but it seems likely the name Kherson itself originated from the Greek colony of Chersonesos down in Crimea itself.

The Romans only controlled the provinces of Mesopotamia and Armenia for a few years under Trajan and withdrew because they were too difficult to defend and basically guaranteed perpetual war with Parthia (not that there wasn't perpetual war with Parthia anyways, it just would have been even worse).

 

[AgendaPoster]

Russia is a land of dualities and internal contradictions
they've built this military mega church,and put Stalin's face on one of the murals. Stalin was responsible for murdering of tens of thousands of orthodox clerics
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It's not just Russia, it's the whole of East EU that's brain damaged from historical toxic waste.
In Romania for example the same religious boomers that were oppressed by the commie hard atheist Ceausescu regime are now starting to miss his decrepit old ass.
I don't even wanna start talking about Hungary, which is brain pozzed on multiple levels and on a periodic Trianon seething spree. Or former Yugo countries and their genocidal narcissism of the small differences.
I love this area, it's my ancestral homeland, but holy fuck the people on it are often incredibly stupid, naive, misguided and childish. And dangerous too if some ruler decides to allow their chimpout propensities to grow.

 

[Wrangel1926]

Considering the "left bank/right bank" discussion earlier, I'd like to follow up with a question of my own I've been holding onto for the past couple days. Putting aside pontoon bridge attempts or amusements, what does the withdrawal mean on a more tactical level? Kherson, by virtue of being a city, likely has a great deal of entry points from the western approaches, which turn into a growing network of streets, avenues, and boulevards. Wouldn't pulling back across the river make sense in terms of dictating new, more limited chokepoints if the advantages in 3-dimensional tactics/urban combat would be negated by opposing manpower superiority and subsequent coverage, especially if one of the goals is to try bleeding out the offensive without letting your own elements get overwhelmed?

Help me out here, I can see both the virtues and disadvantages of the course of action.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Considering the "left bank/right bank" discussion earlier, I'd like to follow up with a question of my own I've been holding onto for the past couple days. Putting aside pontoon bridge attempts or amusements, what does the withdrawal mean on a more tactical level? Kherson, by virtue of being a city, likely has a great deal of entry points from the western approaches, which turn into a growing network of streets, avenues, and boulevards. Wouldn't pulling back across the river make sense in terms of dictating new, more limited chokepoints if the advantages in 3-dimensional tactics/urban combat would be negated by opposing manpower superiority and subsequent coverage, especially if one of the goals is to try bleeding out the offensive without letting your own elements get overwhelmed?

Help me out here, I can see both the virtues and disadvantages of the course of action.

Russian doctrine since Syria has been to funnel the enemy into a city, wait until the civilians leave, and pummel it into dust with artillery until the enemy is reduced to hiding in basements and eating their own severed limbs for sustenance. Just like in Mariupol.

But hey, I'm sure it will be totally different for Ukraine this time. It's totally not a trap.

 

[AgendaPoster]

The copium stash is over.
Acceptance is setting in.

I love it when they are forced to acknowledge reality.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Russian doctrine since Syria has been to funnel the enemy into a city, wait until the civilians leave, and pummel it into dust with artillery until the enemy is reduced to hiding in basements and eating their own severed limbs for sustenance. Just like in Mariupol.

But hey, I'm sure it will be totally different for Ukraine this time. It's totally not a trap.

>Recognize Kherson as Russia
>Leave a little later to set up a trap
>Use artillery to turn the city you just recognized as Russia and the one you just left to dust
I don't doubt that Russia will use some artillery on Kherson at a later date, but saying "No guyz, Russia is only leaving to set up a trap!" Is a nice example of cope.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

The copium stash is over.
Acceptance is setting in.
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LMAO. It's all over, a literal who declared that the war is lost. Pack it up, boys, time to retreat beyond the Urals.

>Recognize Kherson as Russia
>Leave a little later to set up a trap
>Use artillery to turn the city you just recognized as Russia and the one you just left to dust
I don't doubt that Russia will use some artillery on Kherson at a later date, but saying "No guyz, Russia is only leaving to set up a trap!" Is a nice example of cope.

I'm sure it being "cope" will make it better for the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians that are going to be eaten, torn to pieces by artillery, or just buried under rubble in Kherson this winter. Come on now.

 

[Hell on Earth]

He's right, the southern Dneiper was effectively the border of the Bosporan Kingdom situated in Crimea, which was a Roman client state for around 500 years. In fact it was briefly annexed under Nero as part of Moesia Superior before being restored as a client kingdom. I'd have to check to be sure but it seems likely the name Kherson itself originated from the Greek colony of Chersonesos down in Crimea itself.

The Romans only controlled the provinces of Mesopotamia and Armenia for a few years under Trajan and withdrew because they were too difficult to defend and basically guaranteed perpetual war with Parthia (not that there wasn't perpetual war with Parthia anyways, it just would have been even worse).

Armenia was also a client kingdom and Mesopotamia was fought over with the Persians and if you have eyes, you can see that they're east of the Dnieper, so he's wrong.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

The copium stash is over.
Acceptance is setting in.
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I love it when they are forced to acknowledge reality.
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Gotta love how these guys are so irredentist that they see the war ending in Donbass plus a land bridge to Crimea as this horrific defeat.