Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[TheDarknessGrows]

I hope that the Russians and Ukrainians teleport to your houses and fight there, too.

Especially you.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

Let me get this straight, you're saying that Ukraine is going to position the bulk of its army in an open field right outside Kherson, even more exposed to drones and artillery than they would be in the city? Brilliant strategy, let's see how well it plays out.

He totally isn't saying that.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Let me get this straight, you're saying that Ukraine is going to position the bulk of its army in an open field right outside Kherson, even more exposed to drones and artillery than they would be in the city? Brilliant strategy, let's see how well it plays out.

You need to play less video games, nigga.

Yes, they are going to gather their entire Army Group at the SPAR Parking lot outside town and post lots of tik tok memes about it to guide the Shahad drones in.

Telegram channels are saying Ukrainian Special Forces have entered Kherson city itself.

 

[Pork Packer]

MEANWHILE. ON THE FRONT PAGE OF RUSSIAN STATE MEDIA.

Wow! they have conquered 90% of the mighty fortress city of Pavlovka......thats odd I cant seem to find a wiki article on it....must have been deleted by agents of the humiliated globohomo jew regime.....oh wait heres some info

Pavlovka is a village in Ukraine and has about 1,280 residents. Pavlovka is situated nearby to Perevalske and Sheviakyne.

So....russia's main brag at the moment is that it has *almost* taken control of a small village in the middle of nowhere....allegedly.....maybe

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Yes, they are going to gather their entire Army Group at the SPAR Parking lot outside town and post lots of tik tok memes about it to guide the Shahad drones in.

Try looking at a map next time before making an ass out of yourself. North of Kherson is hundreds of kilometers of absolutely flat terrain, empty fields.


But hey, let's go with your scenario. Ukraine sends a battalion of infantry and EOD squads into Kherson. Drones and artillery wipe them out before they even plant a khokhol flag on the local administration building. Russians are sharing the footage on Telegram and laughing at you. What's next? Send another battalion?

 

[AncientPhosphur]

The vatnik cope on this thread is delicious. As we speak brave Ukrainian men are overrunning orc positions and driving them into the sea! Slava Ukraine!!!!

 

[76LD910]

Considering the "left bank/right bank" discussion earlier, I'd like to follow up with a question of my own I've been holding onto for the past couple days. Putting aside pontoon bridge attempts or amusements, what does the withdrawal mean on a more tactical level? Kherson, by virtue of being a city, likely has a great deal of entry points from the western approaches, which turn into a growing network of streets, avenues, and boulevards. Wouldn't pulling back across the river make sense in terms of dictating new, more limited chokepoints if the advantages in 3-dimensional tactics/urban combat would be negated by opposing manpower superiority and subsequent coverage, especially if one of the goals is to try bleeding out the offensive without letting your own elements get overwhelmed?

Help me out here, I can see both the virtues and disadvantages of the course of action.

There are no river crossings in the city proper, just in the outskirts further up river. If it comes down to urban warfare any Russian units left there have already been cut off and are on their own for the foreseeable future.

It makes no sense to try holding it under those circumstances and if they did it would make no sense for Ukrainian forces to not take their time with it.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Try looking at a map next time before making an ass out of yourself. North of Kherson is hundreds of kilometers of absolutely flat terrain, empty fields.
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But hey, let's go with your scenario. Ukraine sends a battalion of infantry and EOD squads into Kherson. Drones and artillery wipe them out before they even plant a khokhol flag on the local administration building. Russians are sharing the footage on Telegram and laughing at you. What's next? Send another battalion?

Dude, Ukraine and Russia have been fighting in those same fields for the last 6 months. If Russia was going to blow the UAF to oblivion there they would have done it already.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Dude, Ukraine and Russia have been fighting in those same fields for the last 6 months. If Russia was going to blow the UAF to oblivion there they would have done it already.

Again, this is not a video game. War isn't static and conditions change. Weather made those fields impassable, forcing any Ukrainian reinforcements to stick to the two major highways and a handful of small local roads. It's not rocket science.

Here is what those fields look like now, for example. Good luck maneuvering through those like they could a few months ago.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

But the Continental Army was receiving massive military support from France, a superpower at that time that was using the war of independence as a proxy battle. You can’t really compare Russia to the Continentals in this situation at all.

Not when they lost New York; New York remained a Loyalist stronghold until the very end. France and a few other European countries decided to support American rebels because it was weakened Britain, whose expenditures were high because of it. That tactic actually backfired as after the Treaty of Paris, Britain focused more on her remaining colonies in the Caribbean, Canada and Australia, resolved its debt and was able to fight more effectively not only on land but especially at sea.

I could point out how Julius Caesar prevailed over the Gauls at the Battle of Alesia but that shouldn't be interpreted I'm claiming either Russia or Ukraine are like Ancient Rome or the Gallic tribes, just that a commander executed a similar strategy under similar circumstances

The kind of people that obsess and sperg over insignificant military engagements are truly plebeian, since von Clausewitz succinctly distilled the real meaning of modern warfare; it is the continuation of politics by other means. Right now, while some of the nutters here are raging against vatniks and holhols, negotiations between all the relevant parties are being conducted. There will be no decisive military victory for either side which decides the outcome of this conflict; that's being done behind closed doors.

I still hate Ukraine and khokhols, though. That will never change.

 

[potato fan]

Christ the cope. I know in your brain you are imagining entire brigades of Ukrainian troops getting carpet bombed in downtown Kherson,

Don't worry, I've sent an email to Ukrainian HQ, and warned them of this cunning plan, and now it wont happen. Thanks for spilling the beans, Badungus

The vatnik cope on this thread is delicious

their tears are nourishing my soul

the fact they were so fucking insufferably smug for so goddamn long about how mighty and unstoppable and gloriously powerful their military is and how they are the new multipolar superpower that shall overthrow the western world order and blah-blah-fucking-blah makes their utter military and geopolitical humiliation this past year, the cringing grovelling begging for negotiations and a face saving exit going on now

this, it is delicious. they went from "watch out, amerifats, if you don't respect us we might just take back Alaska. After that it's two days and our tanks roll into Berlin, then two weeks and we finish up taking Portugal" to "whelp we getting our asses kicked by Ukraine. We respectfully ask our esteemed Ukrainian partners to come back to the peace talks".

 

[Overly Serious]

I don't think we need to go digging through historical examples in either direction to make cases for what can and can't be happening. Of course it's possible that a strategic retreat can be in the best interests of the retreating party. Doesn't mean that this one is.

There are only two real reasons for this withdrawal (and a third technical reason) that I can see. And the largest one is that it's... a retreat. I.e. Russia doesn't think it can defend the Western side of the river or else it would be a very, very high price.

The secondary reason is that negotiations have already started. Whether they be between the US and Russia or Ukraine and Russia. Why already started? Because to give this up prior to negotiations rather than as part of them seems eminently foolish to me. Ukraine can go on about how no negotiations can begin until Kherson is returned but that seems stupid to me for Russia to give it up for free rather than as part of the negotiations. And doubly foolish to give them up privately without other parties involved in the negotiations so that the USA couldn't just go back on its word.

But honestly I lean towards the first because Russia declared Kherson to be part of its sovereign territory didn't it? With all the legal basis that goes with it. To turn its back on Russian citizens like this either indicates weakness or extreme dereliction of its duties. Neither is good.

So I hope that this is part of agreed negotiation and we will start to see peaceful working out of the issues going forward. But I feel that Russia wouldn't have given up this region without a fight unless they thought that fight would go badly for them. It would be bizarre to do so if they ever had an intention of capturing that region - much harder to retake than to just keep I should think.

I said there's a third "technical" explanation. That would be if it was a fake withdrawal to lure in the Ukranians. I'm not really sure how feasible it is to "sucker punch" someone in an operation involving tens of thousands, though. I've seen it bandied about but I don't believe it.

This all seems quite negative for Russia to me. Though I'd love it if this was the beginning of a lasting peaceful division of the territories, I have doubts.

 

[Beak Thing]

Oh and just to remind those who were gurgling about how Ukraine was totally gonna surrender within a week back in february, we aint

I remember back when this started all the lopsided claims of massive strategic victories against Ukraine and how easy this "special military operation" would be. My first thought was they need to take this a hell of a lot more seriously than they are now if they want to have a chance to win. In terms of population proportions, this is like the US invading Mexico.

Did you notice nobody every uses that ridiculous phrase that the West is "fighting to the last Ukrainian" anymore? I honestly think the Russians thought they would be welcomed as liberators only to be proven drastically wrong Day 1. How can you be so clueless about your own history?

This was so bungled from the start it's almost like there was no planning or forethought put into it. Maybe Putin felt he had a window of opportunity and decided to wing it, I really don't know.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

It's called a shit-eating grin, faggot. Come on, walk into the city. You know Ukrainians need the propaganda victory.

Hate to break it to you, but the Dnipro is a 1 kilometer wide river, after that bridge is blown to kingdom come by demolitionists, the entirety of Kherson can literally be held by a single brigade if even that, this cope about "tens of thousands of Ukrops gonna get blasted by artillery!" is pathetic. Hell, they might not even need to do that, just move artillery up some and hide it, and use the satellite images they're getting from NATO to make sure they can't try to pontoon the thing.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Meanwhile it's looking like Ukraine will keep losing territory, even without Russia's involvement. These have been going up around Poland.

"No Poland without Lvov"


They even posted one at this average Polish workplace:

Hate to break it to you, but the Dnipro is a 1 kilometer wide river, after that bridge is blown to kingdom come by demolitionists, the entirety of Kherson can literally be held by a single brigade if even that, this cope about "tens of thousands of Ukrops gonna get blasted by artillery!" is pathetic. Hell, they might not even need to do that, just move artillery up some and hide it, and use the satellite images they're getting from NATO to make sure they can't try to pontoon the thing.

You're still not getting it. There's no civilian population left in Kherson, the roads leading to Kherson are under Russian fire control. Any movement inside the city will be met with artillery fire until it looks like Grozny. It will be very costly for Ukraine to even attempt a symbolic occupation of it. If they're smart, they'll stay out of the city and leave it as no man's land, but that means no propaganda victory for Ukraine's NATO curators. Now the question is just how many ukrops is NATO willing to sacrifice for that propaganda reel?

 

[mindlessobserver]

Meanwhile it's looking like Ukraine will keep losing territory, even without Russia's involvement. These have been going up around Poland.

"No Poland without Lvov"
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They even posted one at this average Polish workplace:
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This is what you are reduced too. This is all you have left to cope with. Pictures of bathrooms in Poland.

 

[potato fan]

>general Armaggedon will save us from Ukraine
>winter will save us from Ukraine
>republicans will save us from Ukraine
>Poland will save us from Ukraine

but remember, russia is winning xD

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

According to Wagner telegram, Ukraine already has recon forces in Kherson.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

Hate to break it to you, but the Dnipro is a 1 kilometer wide river, after that bridge is blown to kingdom come by demolitionists, the entirety of Kherson can literally be held by a single brigade if even that, this cope about "tens of thousands of Ukrops gonna get blasted by artillery!" is pathetic. Hell, they might not even need to to that, just move artillery up some and hide it, and use the satellite images they're getting from NATO to make sure they can't try to pontoon the thing.

Sounds like a good natural border for Russia, far better than some random field in the middle of nowhere. The Kurds ended up with the same situation in Syria, they follow the Euphrates which is a good defensible border.


Most wars end up like this one, high intensity fighting that tapers off into unproductive slogging and a largely hated peace deal. I think the southern AO is largely settled and has been largely for months as the Russians haven't advanced much from Kherson. We may see some more bullshit over Donbabwe but I think the new general in charge of the war is more pragmatic and is just opting to fortify the front as best he can with those shitty cinder block pillboxes, trenches, and dragons teeth. I'm expecting the front lines to shift only a few dozen kilometers in any direction and just ossify permanently as both sides just fling missiles and drones at each other until the conflict goes cold like the Korean War.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

This is what you are reduced too. This is all you have left to cope with. Pictures of bathrooms in Poland.

https://t.me/MedvedevVesti/12050

What was that about EOD groups and Russian artillery? Could've sworn someone just said something about it.