Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Sneed F91]

His wife is a journo and she knows people. That's why he's so astroturfed as a director.

Don't forget his Mommy and Daddy paid for his film career. He went to the same film school George Lucas (and a fuck ton of other Hollywood people) went to, USC, and his family put up half a million dollars for his first movie. Plus he's part of "Film Twitter", which is just as stupid as it sounds.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

how much Star Wars as a brand has been tarnished.

Sequel Wars sold so badly that by the second movie Official Star Wars Breyers Ice Cream had to be put on clearance

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Yes that's partly why she didn't ask him, and got annoyed about her friend asking him without running it past her.

Theoretically his operation of running money under the Empire's nose is why he can't blow her cover without exposing himself (the rebellion isn't The Rebellion yet so presumably he has fingers in currently equally-criminal pies), but the question of whether her friend blindsided her because there's literally no other options or because he has his own shady angle is up in the air.

The problem is, the Emperor is not a legalist, but a Machiavellian. He's more than willing to cut deals with outside parties if it means he catches rebels. The fact that he has the Hutts on his side (Hutts do A LOT of business under the Empire's nose, but they pay loads of tax money) shows that he's willing to make deals with lawbreakers if it's valuable enough. His autism only extends to the Jedi. Everyone else, they can be dealt with at an arms' length. So I can't see him persecuting this banker that much if his defection reveals Mon Mothma's rebellious intent.

 

[Involuntary Celebrity]

Yeah, we know that, and she'd probably know that the best of the three of them. It wasn't her idea. Dude already told the guy though so there was no harm in the (basically forced) meeting; she didn't give him any further specifics (yet).

And if she does end up having no other option, the idea will obviously be that the risk is mitigated by joining their families.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

This isn't as easy as it sounds. You can't make a good story with a bad foundation. AOTC had the problems it did because of what was/wasn't set up in TPM. ESB worked because ANH put in the work to be a great film that actually set up things for a sequel while also being good on its own. I hate TLJ but Rian had the task of explaining what the actual fuck happened in TFA because that movie refused to, while also pushing the story of the sequels forward in a logical way that satisfied fans. That would be difficult for anybody. Johnson realized this early on and decided not to try at all.

Roundhead wanted to start shit for attention and he did. Now he has an army of wannabe-cinephile dicksuckers and a bunch of Cuckflix money to make shitty Knives Out sequels. The media has been flipping TLJ as a controversial yet necessary push forward for Disney Wars for the past 5 years and that the audience was the problem. He doesn't give a shit about Star Wars, he wanted to move up in Hollywood so he could do whatever he wants, and now he is.

I will give Ruin Johnson some leniency here. TFA had a throwaway line that Han Solo said, explaining that Luke just wanted to leave it all and fuck off to an island. So, that foundation was Abrams's responsibility. Why Abrams did that specifically, who fucking knows? That doesn't change that Johnson could have at least tried to do something, and he just didn't. It was difficult to come up with something reasonable for a sequel, though.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

so that yeed vs totoro thing really happened?

 

[Sneed F91]

I will give Ruin Johnson some leniency here. TFA had a throwaway line that Han Solo said, explaining that Luke just wanted to leave it all and fuck off to an island. So, that foundation was Abrams's responsibility. Why Abrams did that specifically, who fucking knows?

Simple, they didn't want Rey (the designed-by-committee feminist icon) to be upstaged by Luke Skywalker. That's it. Instead of writing a good character that could stand on their own they decided to not have Luke in the movie at all. Plus JJ had no idea what to do with Luke, regardless of the coping fanboys who think he had a plan for any of this nonsense. So they made him a mystery box McGuffin, which was genuinely insulting.

This doesn't change the fact that most people who watched TFA only watched it for the OT cast.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I will give Ruin Johnson some leniency here. TFA had a throwaway line that Han Solo said, explaining that Luke just wanted to leave it all and fuck off to an island. So, that foundation was Abrams's responsibility. Why Abrams did that specifically, who fucking knows? That doesn't change that Johnson could have at least tried to do something, and he just didn't. It was difficult to come up with something reasonable for a sequel, though.

Hmmm, THAT is a hypothetical challenge. So, I'm going to come up with a treatment for a sequel to TFA to see if I can make a serviceable story out of JJ's mystery boxes.

What about references to Avalon where Luke went to the enchanted island in defeat after the Knights of Ren destroyed the New Jedi Order? The map, since it functioned like a treasure map, would be a test to Jedi survivors to determine whether they were skilled enough to be useful for a new war against the Sith? Since Leia is too old or tied up in her own affairs, she sends Rey as a messenger girl to tell Luke the current state of affairs. That's when he decides to train her as she's all he's got. Yeah, I know that Disney keeps insisting he's a terrible teacher, but this is an exercise in creating a serviceable story out of mediocrity, so let's assume Luke is actually competent here. The planet, as it turns out, is a massive reservoir of the Force and he's been siphoning power to recover from Kylo Ren's coup on the New Jedi Order. Snoke then sends the Knights of Ren--whom should all be more like the Inquisitors instead of what we got--to tail the Falcon to gather intelligence.

Meanwhile, Leia tries to deal with the New Republic Senate and point out various plot holes in TFA like "How did the First Order build the Starkiller base? The Defense budget had to be embezzled by a committee member" and "How did the First Order find my contacts so quickly?" The Senate's answers can then lead into a game of intrigue where Leia's group has to investigate the suspects. Poe could ask if Finn would recognize any of the Senators to provide confirmation of the traitor. As rough as Carrie Fisher's voice got in the few years in-between, her greatest strengths should be rhetoric and diplomacy. Combat was what she did when she was young, which she isn't anymore. If she's made a Jedi, then when asked if she could read minds, she could say that the Senators think so much BS that even she's not sure when they're telling the truth.

While observing the planet, Kylo Ren gets bored and go down to the planet the moment he sees Luke. He force throws Rey easily to the side to fight Luke. It's a deadlock until Rey sneaks up on Kylo to backstab him. Just as it looks like Kylo is doomed, the Knights of Ren rush in to med-evac him and flee the planet to inform Snoke. At this point, Snoke tells Kylo that it is his fixation on Luke that caused his repeated failures. Therefore, Snoke's plan should shift towards assassinating Leia, figuring that he either takes out a worldly threat or forces Luke to move out of position. Thus, Luke tells Rey to go back, even though she hasn't completed her training, to protect Leia until he is ready to come back. Leia correctly accuses the senator she is investigating and and has Poe move to arrest him, but is stopped by a Knight of Ren. Rey comes back just in time to thwart this assassination attempt. The story ends with Rey telling her Luke is okay and to have a little faith.

Can't figure out what to do with Finn, honestly. Whether he should fully heal, get a cyborg spine, or remain a quadriplegic seems immaterial to me. At most, he works like Poe's cop partner, but I'm not seeing much drama coming out of him.

 

[Ghostse]

He had only 3 films under his belt before Star Wars: The Last Jedi out of which I have only seen or ever heard of the last one who happened to be utter shit. The other 3 all sounds pretentious as fuck with Brick being a film listed amongst the 500 best films of all time despite absolutely no one having watching it because it was distributed in a limited capacity.

Brick is a really good Noir script. The fact its set in highschool and they speak like its the 40s turned me off at initially but I was sold after about 40 minutes. I don't know that it deserves to be on the top 500.

Brothers Bloom is methadone for people who like Wes Anderson movies.

Looper had a really great premise, was ruined by the retarded psychic shit and Roundheads need to furious wank to America as a failed state & globabl warming.

Roundhead's wife is some kind of critic mucky-muck apparently, so he makes films that filmheads can spank it to, so he gets up on the lists.
I can't believe they fucking tapped his pretenious ass for a numbered star wars through.

 

[Sneed F91]

I can't believe they fucking tapped his pretenious ass for a numbered star wars through.

It's a huge mystery. Why would you get a guy who'd only done low budget character flicks for a massive special effects blockbuster? Then you let him write the script? Kershner and Marquand had Lucas to fill in the gaps so they wouldn't get overwhelmed with the VFX work. JJ made CGI blockbusters before. Looper was Rian's most successful movie but it only did $172 million or something like that.

My guess is they liked Looper and were desperate for any literal who indie-fuck who'd done a sci-fi movie for Star Wars back then. Or maybe his pitch to the execs was just amazing and they loved all his ideas.

 

[Ghostse]

Disney has discovered going woke can make even them go broke. A hiring freeze is in effect and (big shocker) projects are getting canned left and right.

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It's a huge mystery. Why would you get a guy who'd only done low budget character flicks for a massive special effects blockbuster? Then you let him write the script? Kershner and Marquand had Lucas to fill in the gaps so they wouldn't get overwhelmed with the VFX work. JJ made CGI blockbusters before. Looper was Rian's most successful movie but it only did $172 million or something like that.

My guess is they liked Looper and were desperate for any literal who indie-fuck who'd done a sci-fi movie for Star Wars back then. Or maybe his pitch to the execs was just amazing and they loved all his ideas.

This is easy to answer: he is a small fish and easy to turn into your bitch. JJ is a well-known hack so I doubt writers were lined up around the block when told "Oh and you'll be picking up the mystery boxes left by JJ Abrams". Roundhead will inject any messaging you want. If KKK wants to have a scene where Rei is asked to get coffee by Moff Spacelberg only to turn around and decapitate him with a lighsaber while screaming "I HATED YOUR JOKES STEVEN I HAD TO LAUGH BUT THEY WERE NEVER FUNNY. YOUR BULLSHIT SCHEDULES AGED ME TEN YEARS; NO ONE ACTUALLY GIVES A FUCK IF A.I. IS DELAYED ANOTHER MONTH, MOST PEOPLE WOULD HAVE RATHER IT NEVER CAME OUT AT ALL! YOU PEAKED WITH SAVING PRIVATE RYAN!", Roundhead will slide it in to the narrative.

And because zero Disney execs actually give a flying fuck about starwars beyond its existance as a budget line item, he could smash up every one of JJ's mystery boxes and badly choreograph fights and no one is going to give a shit; "Did he have the market research suggested melanin content people the right ammount of screen time? Solid. Lets do some more coke."

 

[Manly_Brony]

I like The Mandalorian but I wish Disney would let that character remain in the Mando-verse instead of abusing using it like a random Disney character.

Just be grateful that it's not the adventures of Grogu and Little Leia.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Brick is a really good Noir script. The fact its set in highschool and they speak like its the 40s turned me off at initially but I was sold after about 40 minutes. I don't know that it deserves to be on the top 500.

Brothers Bloom is methadone for people who like Wes Anderson movies.

Looper had a really great premise, was ruined by the retarded psychic shit and Roundheads need to furious wank to America as a failed state & globabl warming.

Roundhead's wife is some kind of critic mucky-muck apparently, so he makes films that filmheads can spank it to, so he gets up on the lists.
I can't believe they fucking tapped his pretenious ass for a numbered star wars through.

Isn't it corruption of some sort? You marry the influential critic, or the critic with contacts and your work is instantly regarded as genius no matter what audiences think.

Who cares what critics have to say, anyway? They're all Cole Smithey level, with different degrees of success

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Been a while since I posted on this thread thanks to the bullshit going on with people shutting down the farms, but I want ask was ESB's budget the main reason George couldn't finance Raiders of the Lost Ark by himself?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Roundhead's wife is some kind of critic mucky-muck apparently, so he makes films that filmheads can spank it to, so he gets up on the lists.
I can't believe they fucking tapped his pretenious ass for a numbered star wars through.

Because Disney was cocky. They thought they had it good with TFA and Rogue One, and all the critics and many of the OT fanboys were kissing their feet. (I remember there being few of the OT fans who didn't.) Then in came TLJ, which was their attempt to branch out from OT nostalgia fan-pandering and into SJW politics, and it failed hard. So they fell back into fan-pandering, this time, the TCW/Prequels crowd with the Filoniverse(Mandalorian, Season 7 of TCW, Bad Batch, CGI Tales of the Jedi, Boba Fett, Kenobi), and now the EU crowd with Andor. They regained some lost prestige, but now they're stuck playing the fan-pandering game. And if they fuck that up, they'll drown.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Now that I slept on it, that treatment I wrote is merely okay at best. Fucking JJ mystery boxes.

 

[Sneed F91]

Isn't it corruption of some sort?

Hollywood has always been corrupt in one way or another. They're just being more obvious with it now.

Then in came TLJ, which was their attempt to branch out from OT nostalgia fan-pandering and into SJW politics

But Disney never stopped OT nostalgia-fan pandering though, and they didn't just "start" inserting SJW politics into Star Wars either. It was always there. Even though it might not seem like it TLJ has a lot of pandering fan service and OT callbacks, but NOT to the extent of TFA, which was beyond excessive in comparison. And I don't need to tell you that Disney Wars has always been woke as hell.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Hollywood has always been corrupt in one way or another. They're just being more obvious with it now.

But Disney never stopped OT nostalgia-fan pandering though, and they didn't just "start" inserting SJW politics into Star Wars either. It was always there. Even though it might not seem like it TLJ has a lot of pandering fan service and OT callbacks, but NOT to the extent of TFA, which was beyond excessive in comparison. And I don't need to tell you that Disney Wars has always been woke as hell.

So silly of me, but I don't remember TFA to be particularly political.

 

[Adamska]

So silly of me, but I don't remember TFA to be particularly political.

It's mostly in the Disney books that came out around the time post-buyout. Also the race baiting they tried to pull with Finn, though they didn't do it as much as they did the other human shields they dragged out over time.

 

[Sneed F91]

So silly of me, but I don't remember TFA to be particularly political.

In theory it wasn't political. Thanks to the backlash to the PT, TFA was so apolitical and shallow that it's hard to get anything out of it past the surface level. There's no "the Empire are a white supremacist organization" bullshit like in Rogue Juan. It's a movie about nothing.

IIRC it was more about the marketing and the movie's treatment of female/minority characters, mostly how they were used as shields for criticism against the movie. People think that started after TLJ but in reality the Black Stormtrooper fiasco was entirely politicized from the first teaser trailer. I also remember the First Order and Kylo being interpreted by dumbass journalists online as symbols of white rage and Neo-Nazis, or something like that.