Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

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every type of BC pill I’ve ever seen, has a very regimented blister pack, day ordered because they need to be taken a certain way. It’s not just like a bottle of pills… that you could manage to find sugar pills to mimick.

Medical pills are in all shapes and sizes, with different shells, skins, and detailing on them.. sugar pills aren’t.

Also how does he know anything about/in what sense mock “your periods getting heavier” ? Like what kind of shape would such an exchange even take?


Sounds like lies ngl.

There’s a fair bit of inexplicable larping on here.
The stories aren’t even imaginative or fun. Weird.
Lies, maybe. It detracts a bit from the credibility of the thread as a whole, but I don't mind it much. Like straight and gay couples both choosing to refer to their spouses and boyfriends/girlfriends as "partners", having everything here assumed to be a work of fiction grants a certain comfortable anonymity to the members of this thread who are survivors of domestic abuse at the hands of transgender-identifying individuals.
 
After all that, all I've got is another online acquaintance trooning out of nowhere. The other day, in the middle of a conversation about I don't even remember what (something inane and media related, I think), he posted a picture of some muscle-bound woman with the caption "transition goals". Like, this guy is married, or in some sort of long-term relationship, and then he just suddenly wants to be a woman with uncomfortably huge muscles. I don't think I understand these young people any more.
 
It can take some real ballsy confidence to kick out a troon instantly because of this. Big shoutouts to the ladies who set their limits down the first time and stick by em, they're ripping off the bandaid and going in raw first rather than praying that things go right. It's definitely not something every could or can do if they're married to a tard who troons out, especially if there are young children involved.
I'm going through this thread backwards and I think 99% of you need to cut contact and then adopt the following attitude the second you catch a whiff of someone you know trooning out. This thread is incredibly sad but most of you are giving yourselves problems that you don't need to have.

The women you're describing are the only ones who deserve accolades. Because they immediately saw the correct action and took it. 'Oh, you're a troon? Well I'm gone.'

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Maybe I'm just emotionally distant and this is a very slight pl but I've cut close relatives out of my life over things that aren't nearly as bad as them turning into a mental whackjob and mutilating themselves for attention, and never given it another thought. They're dead to me and I'm better off for it.

Stop letting lunatics make you feel sad.

Gaslighting? No, you all literally outright find their behavior revolting, sad & pathetic at the minimum and you say as much here - yet you're afraid to tell them this to their faces. I have a genuine question - would any of you treat your kids/friends/spouses/etc with kid gloves if they decided they were the emperor of france and that they needed to have affirming surgery by cutting off their legs and making themselves a manlet like napolean? Or would you tell them that they're fucking crazy and to stop being a retard or you'll never talk to them again.

How is this any different? Do you also tell schizos to listen to the voices in their head or buy your heroin addicted relatives drugs?

I get it. It's depressing that someone you knew became batshit crazy. But you don't have to let it become your problem. A common excuse I've seen here is "but my other friends in our circle will get mad or stop being my friends." Newsflash nigga, if that's the case then they aren't your friends. Get real ones after ditching the troon if that turns out to be the case.

If it makes you feel better, remind yourself that they're willing to never talk to you again because you won't call he a she or vice versa, whereas you're fretting about saying maybe cutting off your tits or cock because you're sad might be a bad idea.
 
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The women you're describing are the only ones who deserve accolades. Because they immediately saw the correct action and took it. 'Oh, you're a troon? Well I'm gone.'
In life people go through phases. Sometimes they grow out of them. Not always. Dropping someone like a hot rock is easier when you don't have as much invested in them, especially hard with people who you have been in a relationship with forever.

IMO, everyone deserves a bit of sympathy to an extent. There's no guide for this, this is a brave new world where most people are being told that this is related to homosexuality, yet they act so different and there aren't that many guides medically or psychologically to turn to, or even professionals. There's a difference between "maybe science has marched on enough and our understanding of gender as well?" versus hardball giving into it.

Maybe I'm just emotionally distant and this is a very slight pl but I've cut close relatives out of my life over things that aren't nearly as bad as them turning into a mental whackjob and mutilating themselves for attention, and never given it another thought. They're dead to me and I'm better off for it.
You're coming at this from a hard independent perspective. People who are dependent on their families and friends or who have a hard time. Humans are social creatures and being lonely is hard, even harder if you depend on someone for something. Even them just loving you through a tough time and wanting to do such in return isn't impossible.

You're not wrong to do such. But what is right for you will not work for someone else. "But everyone should become independent," but not everyone can.

No, you all literally outright find their behavior revolting, sad & pathetic at the minimum and you say as much here - yet you're afraid to tell them this to their faces.
It's almost as if we like them and have a hard time watching them be sad since we were conditioned to treat mentally ill people with kid gloves in general, and we're horrified to find our friends being occupied by something horrifying in the same body.

People have to work through their emotions. You're lucky to be emotionally distant.

I have a genuine question - would any of you treat your kids/friends/spouses/etc with kid gloves if they decided they were the emperor of france and that they needed to have affirming surgery by cutting off their legs and making themselves a manlet like napolean? Or would you tell them that they're fucking crazy and to stop being a retard or you'll never talk to them again.
You'd get them help BEFORE leaving them for dead. Where do you get help for transgenders? From people already in the cult or the medical industry which just goes with the flow and give you the tiddy skittles on demand.

People should think for themselves. But it isn't as easy to do such, especially when opposing sites end up shouting "niggerfagot" and scaring normal people.

How is this any different? Do you also tell schizos to listen to the voices in their head or buy your heroin addicted relatives drugs?
Yes. *yawn*

You tell those dipshits to go to therapy or drag them there. Then you do the same for troons and 70% of the time they don't get told "You have underlying trauma you're not dealing with/Your logic is flawed and we need to deal with how you picture male and female/ You're an emotionally manipulating piece of shit" like they should, they're given reassurance and shit.

I get it. It's depressing that someone you knew became batshit crazy. But you don't have to let it become your problem.
A good motto.

A common excuse I've seen here is "but my other friends in our circle will get mad or stop being my friends." Newsflash nigga, if that's the case then they aren't your friends. Get real ones after ditching the troon if that turns out to be the case.
That's still a personal choice. Sometimes you can convince them, sometimes you can't, and even then, remember: you're lucky. Removing family and friends is hard, the closer they are, the closer it is to cutting off your own fingers. Encourage people to leave, but remember, some need time to process everything even if you see it as hurting themselves more. Be patient, not every human can be as robotic on/off as you can.
 
Then you do the same for troons and 70% of the time they don't get told "You have underlying trauma you're not dealing with/Your logic is flawed and we need to deal with how you picture male and female/ You're an emotionally manipulating piece of shit" like they should, they're given reassurance and shit.
You've hit the nail on the head. This is my issue with the Trans Rights movement, and including it in with the LGBs at all. Transsexuality/Transgenderism is treated as something innate to a person, rather than a very complex and troubling mental illness. I am living proof that even the most traditional case of "Gender Dysphoria" is not something you're born with, even if it can manifest in very early childhood, and every time I try to speak publicly on this matter I am told I wasn't "really trans", that "putting people on cross-sex hormones and cutting them up is totally a good idea, guys!", and appeals are made to my civil libertarian ideals about letting fuckheads do what they will with their own bodies. When you affirm someone who is deeply unwell that they are just like this it does a couple of things:
1) If they are the insecure or self-absorbed sort, it encourages rabid defense of one's "identity", and further closes them off to future help. Nobody can get better from medication or therapy, nobody, unless they actually want it.
2) It pushes vulnerable individuals down the path of hormones and surgery, because everyone is telling them they were just born broken, and they'll be stuck like this forever, to the point of crippling body dysmorphia of the likes of anorexia, and dissociation, unless they undergo dangerous and experimental body modifications, which don't even help in the long-run.

You know why (the 'true GD') trannies, the one's who aren't doing it for a fetish, feel a sense of "relief" when they start developing secondary sex characteristics of the opposite sex, or when they do everything in their power to obliterate the skeletal or soft flesh signs of their natal sex? It's because they're tortured by all this baggage they attach to their sex, from unresolved trauma, and this "relief" is a method of dissociation. Which fades  quick, for as long as a transgender-identifying individual possesses any evidence of their past and their natal sex- name, pronouns, breasts or lack thereof, skeletal structure, they'll be reminded of whatever trauma or conditioning caused this, and they'll eat themselves alive trying to cut it out. The anorexic patients with poor self-esteem, with no feeling of agency and control of the self, so scared of being fat and losing control, or being ugly, being reminded of whatever horrible experience triggered this disorder in the first place, are exactly the same. Hormones and surgery can't cure this, and if people say it did for them, they are lying or still caught up in the temporary relief of cutting out some part of themselves that offends their ill psyche.

This treatment plan helps nobody. Obviously.

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Fucking hell, have I got a story. I've got this old friend, standard unconventional artistic/slightly autistic white guy, the kind of person who might own a tattoo parlour or a skate shop, and whose hobbies would include things such as having an extensive dead bug collection, retro video games, or playing the guitar. You know the type. I love him and his fiancé dearly, they're both weird, only slightly obnoxious, and genuine and kind individuals. This story isn't about him, it's about his degenerate, worthless tranny little brother.

This cunt. Where do I begin? For starters, he's a NEET, graduated from school years and years ago, never attended university, never learned to drive, never had a fucking job and he's in his mid-20s. He doesn't go to therapy and has made absolutely no attempt and self-improvement, beyond mega-dosing estrogen. Just by existing he makes his parents' lives harder by being an unnecessary expense, when they really ought to be retiring in the near future. Since he came out as trans last year, he's gotten into drugs and risky sexual behaviour, fucking off for days or weeks at a time to his boyfriend's house, without telling anyone. He's an adult, of course, but he still lives like a teenager, and when he's not getting up to god-knows-what, he's in his room, not contributing to household chores, not looking for a job, not even socialising with his family. I know all of this because his brother, the non-shit working one, the parents, and I, have become especially close in this past years, and I've been privy to all their vents about their leech son.

So, leech NEET tranny son who is on drugs, fucks off to who knows where to have gay sex, who's a piece of shit who doesn't contribute to his household, pretty standard behaviour, all things considered, but that's not where the horseshittery ends. For context, Halloween is a pretty big fucking deal for both of our families, so the brother who's moved out and his fiancé were in-town for the adjacent weekend, and came over the night before for a "brief" chat with mild intoxicants. I came to learn that in the time he's been in town, his brother has made a sexual pass at him, in an attempt to coerce him into committing incest with him, which understandably freaked him out, though he's yet to inform the rest of his family or his partner, as he doesn't want his troon brother becoming homeless. His parents are lovely people, but you really do get the sense that they're starting to get sick of his shit, and understandably so.

At the last minute, the troon brother asked to attend the dinner party, and I have plenty of chairs and food, so it was no biggie. His parents were pretty keen on it, and I've always gotten the sense that the main reason they got so close with me is because I used to be that rare breed of semi-functional tranny, before I detransitioned and got my ass to therapy, in the same way there are "functional" alcoholics, in that I held a job and had a social life. Astonishing, I know, real crown fucking achievement.

At dinner, the freak refused to take his mask off, I didn't pay attention to him but I don't really know how he even managed to eat with it, and was on his phone the entire god damn time. I made a few pointed comments to him, suggesting he put his purse down somewhere other than his lap, to which he said, in his obnoxious, whiny, broken falsetto voice, "I need somewhere to put my phone," and I got a similar response when I suggested he put his fucking phone down and participate in conversation. Over his shoulder, I saw he was texting in Discord. Whatever, fucking dick, he left halfway through dinner to sit on the sofa and text his degenerate friends, while the rest of us drank wine and ate some good food. I'm a hugger, with my friends and loved ones, and hugged them all goodbye after dinner; and then there was the troon, standing there, expectantly, awkwardly, staring at me. I gave him a half-hug out of social obligation, and I now wish I'd just given him a firm handshake and sent him on his way, something about being in close proximity to a man, well over 6' and wearing massive black heeled leather boots, set off every alarm bell and made me want to vomit. You get the sense that he's some kind of pervert just by being in his general vicinity.

The idea of being a leech NEET with no life skills, no income, and no participation in household chores is unconscionable to me, I would be humiliated and embarrassed to be in his position. But I think beyond the shame he brings to his family, beyond the incestuous behaviour, what I am really pissed about is the fact he was very rude during my dinner party, and I won't be allowing him back in the future. One does not come between a woman and her dinner party.

tl;dr creepy troon little brother tries to commit incest with his older brother, doesn't have a job or education, and is overall a massive pest.
Every person in this story other than the troon is a pathetic enabler and I don't feel even a little bit sorry for them.

Troons who try to rape people, including and maybe especially their own families, deserve to be abandoned, homeless, and in a gutter having to- for the first time in their lives- figure out how to find food and shelter without it being handed to them by their overly compliant, cucked parents.

You are all these people:

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every type of BC pill I’ve ever seen, has a very regimented blister pack, day ordered because they need to be taken a certain way. It’s not just like a bottle of pills… that you could manage to find sugar pills to mimick.

Medical pills are in all shapes and sizes, with different shells, skins, and detailing on them.. sugar pills aren’t.

Also how does he know anything about/in what sense mock “your periods getting heavier” ? Like what kind of shape would such an exchange even take?


Sounds like lies ngl.

There’s a fair bit of inexplicable larping on here.
The stories aren’t even imaginative or fun. Weird.
100% odds it is fiction and poorly written fiction at that. Lower caliber writing than the average reddit fabrication. Why would anyone do it? IDK- it seems to be a popular hobby for women these days.

I'm going through this thread backwards and I think 99% of you need to cut contact and then adopt the following attitude the second you catch a whiff of someone you know trooning out. This thread is incredibly sad but most of you are giving yourselves problems that you don't need to have.

The women you're describing are the only ones who deserve accolades. Because they immediately saw the correct action and took it. 'Oh, you're a troon? Well I'm gone.'

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Maybe I'm just emotionally distant and this is a very slight pl but I've cut close relatives out of my life over things that aren't nearly as bad as them turning into a mental whackjob and mutilating themselves for attention, and never given it another thought. They're dead to me and I'm better off for it.

Stop letting lunatics make you feel sad.

Gaslighting? No, you all literally outright find their behavior revolting, sad & pathetic at the minimum and you say as much here - yet you're afraid to tell them this to their faces. I have a genuine question - would any of you treat your kids/friends/spouses/etc with kid gloves if they decided they were the emperor of france and that they needed to have affirming surgery by cutting off their legs and making themselves a manlet like napolean? Or would you tell them that they're fucking crazy and to stop being a retard or you'll never talk to them again.

How is this any different? Do you also tell schizos to listen to the voices in their head or buy your heroin addicted relatives drugs?

I get it. It's depressing that someone you knew became batshit crazy. But you don't have to let it become your problem. A common excuse I've seen here is "but my other friends in our circle will get mad or stop being my friends." Newsflash nigga, if that's the case then they aren't your friends. Get real ones after ditching the troon if that turns out to be the case.

If it makes you feel better, remind yourself that they're willing to never talk to you again because you won't call he a she or vice versa, whereas you're fretting about saying maybe cutting off your tits or cock because you're sad might be a bad idea.
This is it exactly.

Believe this: there are people out there who don't have this stupid drama in their lives. Aspire to become one of them. You have control over this.
 
When I need a thought-stopping cliché, one I find helpful is "don't borrow trouble." The Talking Heads also wrote a good song about it:
What are you, in love with your problems?
I think you take it a little too far
It's not so cool to have so many problems
But don't expect me to explain your indecisions
oh my god. This is like an old version of a Chris Fleming song.
 
Past week, I had the biggest and funniest (at least imo) closure regarding a former friend that trooned out, that made me glad he's out of my life.

He was like any other candidate for trooning out in this thread, smoked weed/drug abuser, degenerate coomer that was way into his fetish, lack of father figure, had someone that was a catalyst for him trooning out (in this case his boyfriend that did "ironic crossdressing" and group of friends that we're all fat depressed nerds that larped as anime girls on discord), tried hiding his decision to troon out behind my back due to me being skeptical about troon shit, only for me to find out about it very easily (through a discord status no less). The moment he was forced to came out to me, I knew this wouldn't end well but because he was my friend of several years, I didn't want to just lose him like that and hoped this was just some weird phase or manic episode he had; But then AGP flags popped up like him saying how he's not planning to get the axe wound surgery and didn't even bother putting effort into passing while expecting everyone to call him by female pronouns.

We had a falling out after he generously graced me at 6AM with a message about how he doesn't want to be called by his birth name anymore and that he wants me to call him the same name as some anime girl, which to that I put my foot down, called out and chewed him out for hiding shit from someone he always called "his best friend" ,told him that there's more to being a woman than just wearing dresses, acting ditzy and it's not skinwalking as anime girls, I told him that I was worried that he's being manipulated into this.

Which to that he cut all contact with me, but not before writing a big ass paragraph about how he's totally not manipulated, how this is HIS choice, some weird bullshit about how he's also disappointed because I didn't accepted him as trans due to him being trans but I accepted him as being that, because he was my friend (basically it's never enough) and said that I should respect trans people even if I don't know them (lmao). This genuinely fucked me up for a while because he was my friend for almost 7 years and I found out through third party that he was talking about this name change to everyone but me weeks ago. I often asked myself if I did the right choice by doing what I did and if I was a good friend, but all that doubt I had was gone when I managed to find his twitter and took one glance to it only to see that he's now literally lives on twitter, terminally online.

Posting his gunt nudes on it, reblogging obese hentai, writing weird humiliation/dominatrix roleplay, gaining weight at rapid speed on purpose (He's over 300 pounds now and has hideous double chin), talking about how he wants to be immobile and taking pictures of 5 bags of DoorDash orders. After looking through some post history, I concluded that he likely spiraled out after his boyfriend (who also trooned out) broke up with him. I also seen that the he's now arguing with the "friend group" he chose over my friendship, that I highly believe had a major role in making him troon out. This reveal was such a shotgun blast to my face because I never seen someone's life spiral out in matter of months like this and I didn't knew this fetish shit really but it also made me glad that he's gone and isn't my concern anymore.

TL;DR
Former friend that trooned under suspicious reasons, threw 7 years of genuine friendship, so he can pursue being a hedonistic degenerate without anyone questioning him about it while his degenerate friend group cheers and enables him,
is now Nikocado Avocado'ing himself to death on purpose while living rest of his numbered days on Twitter and arguing with the same degenerate friend group. No value was lost.
 
I was lucky enough to be in school during the period where gay jokes were just jokes that nobody cared about, even the gay students. I had a friend named Chris, and we did this a lot. Once, some homeless guy tried luring us into an alley with promises of candy once (which is a really weird tactic to try and pull on teenagers rather than three-year-olds) and we spent the rest of the year making jokes about "Old gay pedophiles jumping out of bushes to suck our dicks" apropos of nothing. Shit just always cracked us up. That was the culture. When we graduated, we naturally drifted apart, which was mostly my fault as a a quiet introverted nerdy type that refused to join social media. I would miss him from time to time, especially when I was in the mood to play Mario Kart with someone, but that's life. I didn't think much of it.

You can imagine my fucking delight when ended up seeing him for the first time a bit ago through a (former) mutual friend. The guy looks like a fucking clown that's already middle-aged, and of course he's dressing entirely in frilly pastel shit that you'd see on a toddler. Apparently he wants to be called Jessica now. The guy that used to laugh about gay pedophiles jumping out of bushes to suck our dicks is now wearing an array of pride pins, and resembles a pedophile's mugshot himself. I made up some shitty excuse to get out of there as soon as I could, but during the 15 minutes of hell with this fucking ghoul wearing my former friend's skin, he proceeded to spend it all talking about himself, whining about how hard his life is 'cause of the tranzphobes and terfs and republicans who want him dead, and bitched about how hard it is for a "lesbian" like him to get a good woman. He didn't make the slightest effort to ask me how the last decade of my life was, which was really fucking touching and heartwarming given how we grew up together. When I was leaving, he told me I should follow him on twitter, and I've never been happier to not have one of those. But of course his twitter handle was some uwu sapphic anime girl's name.

Compared to a lot of the shit in this thread, it's pretty innocuous, but fuck me, not like I'm allowed to say any of this to anyone else. I texted one of our other old mutual friends and said I ran into Chris again, and the response I got was that "She goes by Jessica now actually." Fuck you too, I guess. I decided not to commiserate any further about how this guy I grew up with has dedicated the rest of his (short) life to self-mutilation, delusions, and harassing lesbians who probably thought that the acceptance of gay marriage meant they weren't going to be told to just suck the dick and get over it, idiot! anymore.

The sad thing is that I know if circumstances were a little different, it could have been me. A lot of my hobbies and odd jobs are the kinds that are entirely dominated by dudes, and treat actual girls that get involved as flawless demigods. I'd be lying if I said I never once thought to myself that it would be kinda cool to be the girl in those situations... But "What if" scenarios are harmless. I've also imagined how cool it would be if I was rich. Doesn't mean I ever wanted to mutilate myself until I resembled some kind of hideous caricature of womanhood, and then force myself into spaces that don't want to have to deal with coddling a delusional pervert. That lonely geek-to-troon pipeline is real, and I'm just glad I never fell into it.

I don't get it. If I announced to the world that I identify as a one-armed man, and insist that a doctor chop my arm off so I can be my true self, I'd be rightly treated as an insane joke. But replace arm with cock, and suddenly I'm a poor brave oppressed lady that is entitled to force actual lesbians to fuck me. What the fuck is the world coming to?
 
I don't get it. If I announced to the world that I identify as a one-armed man, and insist that a doctor chop my arm off so I can be my true self, I'd be rightly treated as an insane joke
I've been listening to the recent JRE episode with Matt Walsh and at one point he brings up that actually, despite one of the surgeons in his film saying that it's "kooky," WPATH are now starting to push for transabled acceptance too.

Here's a clip:
 
I’ve got a kid on the way, do you all think this gender hysteria will have died down by the time they hit their teens or am I going to have to put in some serious work to make sure they don’t troon out? If TikTok and Discord are around then they’re being blocked on the network level, what else can I do apart from be a good parent? Where I live I can be put in jail for 10 years if I deny my child gender affirming surgery as a teenager. My own child becoming one of these coombrained sex-perverts is my greatest fear.
 
I’ve got a kid on the way, do you all think this gender hysteria will have died down by the time they hit their teens or am I going to have to put in some serious work to make sure they don’t troon out? If TikTok and Discord are around then they’re being blocked on the network level, what else can I do apart from be a good parent? Where I live I can be put in jail for 10 years if I deny my child gender affirming surgery as a teenager. My own child becoming one of these coombrained sex-perverts is my greatest fear.
Teach them critical thinking from a young age, and that they are allowed to question anyone (respectfully, without being rude) - even teachers, even authority figures, even older people. Teach them it's okay to disagree with the group, and that it's okay to disagree with friends and family - they'll still love you. And that's okay to be on your own and to be your own company sometimes, it doesn't make you weird.
Godspeed, I'm sure your little one will be fine though, as you're already aware of the dangers of social media.
 
I’ve got a kid on the way, do you all think this gender hysteria will have died down by the time they hit their teens or am I going to have to put in some serious work to make sure they don’t troon out? If TikTok and Discord are around then they’re being blocked on the network level, what else can I do apart from be a good parent? Where I live I can be put in jail for 10 years if I deny my child gender affirming surgery as a teenager. My own child becoming one of these coombrained sex-perverts is my greatest fear.
All the edgy teens will be in their 30s and dealing with the effects of the testosterone abuse alongside aging so it's pretty safe to say people will be pretty critical of medically transitioning children by then. At absolute worst we might still be playing the pronoun games, but i'm seeing a lot of push-back of the ideology from teenagers already so I think your kids will probably be fine.

Only problem is if they show gender nonconforming traits very young. Be sure no-one tries to coach them into being trans behind your back; this includes teachers and SJW/homophobic family members.
 
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I think the best way to inncolate a kid from gender bullshit is to not freak out if they do gender noncorfming things. Like, if it's a boy and he wants to try wearing a dress, I say let them. Just don't pretend this makes them a girl. Depending on the age, maybe explain about the difference between sex and gender stereotypes. You know, "A lot of people reckon boys like trucks or whatever, and that girls like princesses. This might be true in some ways, but it's no big deal if someone's a bit different."
 
I think the best way to inncolate a kid from gender bullshit is to not freak out if they do gender noncorfming things. Like, if it's a boy and he wants to try wearing a dress, I say let them. Just don't pretend this makes them a girl. Depending on the age, maybe explain about the difference between sex and gender stereotypes. You know, "A lot of people reckon boys like trucks or whatever, and that girls like princesses. This might be true in some ways, but it's no big deal if someone's a bit different."
Agreed. The big issue with most transpeople is they really get into thinking about stereotypes. If a child is taught that "boys like/don't like these things" and "girls like/don't like these things" then if they break that stereotype in any way, they will question their gender to fit with what they were taught.

As a GNC female I was always taught that I wasn't any less of a girl because I liked traditionally boy things. I was allowed to explore my personality freely. If my parents had been stricter and withheld masculine things from me it wouldn't have made me girlier ⁠— it would have just made me resent being female because I would have been deprived of everything I loved. Then, if introduced to transgender ideology I'm certain I would have jumped at the chance to be a boy.
 
I think the best way to inncolate a kid from gender bullshit is to not freak out if they do gender noncorfming things. Like, if it's a boy and he wants to try wearing a dress, I say let them. Just don't pretend this makes them a girl. Depending on the age, maybe explain about the difference between sex and gender stereotypes. You know, "A lot of people reckon boys like trucks or whatever, and that girls like princesses. This might be true in some ways, but it's no big deal if someone's a bit different."
You're right to some degree but dress wearing? Nah, that's a line crosser. We have different clothes for different sexes for a reason.

If he wants a stuffed bear or she wants an army figurine that's fine though.
 
You're right to some degree but dress wearing? Nah, that's a line crosser. We have different clothes for different sexes for a reason.

If he wants a stuffed bear or she wants an army figurine that's fine though.
I feel like even with clothes, there’s shit that’s ok and shit that’s not. A little boy trying to walk around in mommy’s heels or getting his nails painted by an overenthusiastic younger sister is cute. That same boy being allowed to wear a dress is being groomed, no question about it.

Not to mention, if you’re anything like our family, the former two are funny stories to reminisce on when you’re older
 
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