Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Vingle]

I know if I'm not there and something bad happens no one else will be there for him.

Not your obligation, and friendships tend to be broken because people grow apart. He has become someone you feel uncomfortable to interact with. It's okay to let it go, he's a goner anyway.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Maybe you should call her bullshit. If for nothing else to get closure because you tried. It might get her choose a different path but more likely will end up with her kicking you out her life. Even worse that's kinda the plus. A clean cut away from her before she turns completely toxic is very likely the best outcome for you and if can't save her you should save yourself.

So get it all out in the open, be brutally honest. Tell her that you know that she knows the detox is never happening unless she starts before her "fuck it" year. She is on the brink of destruction, can still stop it but not for long. She has depression, no amount of partying or surgery will fix that. She needs a healthy lifestyle with boring things like regular meals, good sleep, exercise, social life with not fuck ups and maybe meds depending on why she has depression. She needs fill her day with work, hobbies and family so she less time to think about being sad and not liking herself. Most that will be neutral and kinda boring but better than sad and selfhate.

This is the "fuck it" impulse people should be following. Speak the truth and just let it sit there. The other party can do with it as they wish, but now it's on them to decide. At least you were honest instead of shuffling along tolerating horrors.

 

[Hepativore]

An update on the friend I posted about a while ago in this thread. The last time I hung out with her we shot the shit over those new Sour Patch Kids energy drinks, talked about wendigos and convergent mythology (every european culture having some version of a Hercules strongman myth as an example, they all likely come from a root Indo-European myth lost to time.) and were generally having a great time. Then she starts talking about how this is going to be her "fuck it year" where she does as much weed and whatever else she feels like as she wants, and then will detox and get her life together this coming year. She then started spewing more trans bullshit that made my eyes glaze over, but what hit me is this Fuck it year.

She's not going to detox, we both know it. She's going to do a fuckload of weed, get sucked further into the nightmare delusion hole that is her Discord server, and once she gets access to her grandparents inheritance at 21 (their stipulation) she's going to get the surgeries, and from there it's just going to get worse. Someone earlier in the thread talked about how people with depressive disorders gravitate towards destructive behavior because theres always that little bug in your ear saying "fuck it, if it kills you then you won't have to do it yourself." I think that's what's happening to her, Lord knows she's struggled, we both have, I drink way too much soda because of that Fuck It bug, i know what it's like. Soda won't make my life a Giger Nightmare though, it'll just rot my teeth and make me fat.

It sucks losing your oldest friend, especially when something that looks like her still walks and talks like her. It's not her though, it probably hasn't been for years. Part of me wants her back but short of a miracle, it'll never happen, all that's left now is to keep the funeral suit laundered and wait to say goodbye.

I know that this is evil of me, but tell her to enjoy not having chronic UTIs or inguinal gangrene while she still can if she will eventually go for phalloplasty.

 

[Skookum Jim]

I know that this is evil of me, but tell her to enjoy not having chronic UTIs or inguinal gangrene while she still can if she will eventually go for phalloplasty.

At one point she did say to me with perfect conviction that Trans Women's vaginas are perfectly indistinguishable from natal women's vaginas. I just stared at her because either she has never seen an amhole and honestly believes that because of lack of evidence, or she has seen one and is just that delusional. Things like that are what make me think she's too far gone, and why I didn't talk about trying to talk her out of this mess, it's been a years long spiral, with 0 supportive family besides her brother, a massive dearth in friends after she dropped out of high school, at some point, if she was emotionally capable of realizing she fucked up, it would have happened by now.

I've basically cut her off already anyway, not blocked on anything, she can text me if she wants, but it's just exhausting to be around her, exhausting and deeply saddening.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

But surely there must be fags who don’t have to mince, screech and squeal, while selling houses and having weddings for dogs around in other countries?

It's more of the fact in the west the government are encouraging weak men, so you see this in general. I'm sure there's still fags out there who can change their own tire, hunt, and not be an abject retard. They probably hate the new useless ones (Unless you're the booty warrior, because he's a warrior).

face regular homophobia. I don't fully follow the logic but for in certain cultures is easier to pass troonism as mental illness, something that warrants empathy and pity while homosexuality remains a grave sin that stems solely from moral degeneracy and needs punishment.

1) Homophobia in Brazil is probably physically violent rather just bad words. There's a lot higher pressure to be something when you might get the shit beat out of you everyday.
2) Because to them, the idea of changing genders make them not the clown, but the entire circus.
3) If behavior in primates can be manipulated, then homosexuality probably can be "cured". It is a cultural belief (specifically monotheistic, zealous, Abrahamic ones) that homosexual relationships are bad. You can tell in several of the eastern religions (Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists) that there is much debate between sects about the nature of it ranging from accepted, to ambivalent, to art human nature (but undesired), to forbidden.

You can be gay and a functional member of society. I have yet to see a transgender be a functional member of society

 

[Ratboy Genius]

My teenage cousin is a lesbian now I think. Stereotypical gay cousin huh? Lol. She got her hair cut really short, has rainbows and pride stuff on everything too. We think it's cuz of the influence of her insane lefty mother and sister. Anyway, there's certainly a chance of her trooning out if she continues down that path. Pretty sad.

 

[Hepativore]

My teenage cousin is a lesbian now I think. Stereotypical gay cousin huh? Lol. She got her hair cut really short, has rainbows and pride stuff on everything too. We think it's cuz of the influence of her insane lefty mother and sister. Anyway, there's certainly a chance of her trooning out if she continues down that path. Pretty sad.

 

[Cuckoman]

It has finally happened. One of my first friends when I got into highschool, is trooning out. He's always been a little more feminine and I've always told him that was okay (To avoid this outcome) well now it seems like he has no prospects and has turned to troonism. His therapist basically right away told him he's actually a woman. I know what his problems are, He struggles socially, his parents are old out of touch boomers, he has no IRL friends, his online friends are horrible people, and most IRL relationships have turned to shit for him. He always struggled to remain focused and thus has been battling with Adderal for years.

It doesn't take a fucking genius to understand there are more underlying issues about your identity. Now he's texting me about his new titties and talking about being in a marginalized group, and how for one day he doesn't want to be called a fag.

I very much so doubt that so many people are openly calling him a fag when you can get arrested for that here.

So on top of losing a long-term friend to troonism it also seems to be a decision he's dead set about. I honestly have no idea what to do now, like I know if I'm not there and something bad happens no one else will be there for him. I also know that he's ridiculously stubborn when it's something he believes.

Cut him off completely and save yourself. He is on a self-destructive path and will just become more and more toxic to be around.
Eventually he will do something that can not be undone and will realize that trooning out did not miraculously solve all his problem.
It made them worse. At that point he will become enormously toxic to be around.

You had a good friendship but all good things end. Break it off clean now and you can still remember when you were friends and the good times you had before he will become so toxic he will poison all your memories of your friendship.

 

[BeetleBug242]

At one point she did say to me with perfect conviction that Trans Women's vaginas are perfectly indistinguishable from natal women's vaginas. I just stared at her because either she has never seen an amhole and honestly believes that because of lack of evidence, or she has seen one and is just that delusional. Things like that are what make me think she's too far gone, and why I didn't talk about trying to talk her out of this mess, it's been a years long spiral, with 0 supportive family besides her brother, a massive dearth in friends after she dropped out of high school, at some point, if she was emotionally capable of realizing she fucked up, it would have happened by now.

I've basically cut her off already anyway, not blocked on anything, she can text me if she wants, but it's just exhausting to be around her, exhausting and deeply saddening.

Holy shit my friend has said and done everything you've talked about. I've also though the same things when reacting, our position is now the same. I don't text them anymore.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

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The thing is, if they actually lived like a guy they would probably hate it. There's quite a bit of what appears to be hyper-idealizing of the other gender going on and I blame social media.
I'm not saying women don't have their own disadvantages (Periods probably suck), but they're just trading something that the female gender has evolved to deal with male specific issues they aren't suited towards (Male predisposition to resort to violence where a ftm would loose badly).

The medical field keep trying to strictly define the behavioral traits of gender whereas most of these are not black white and rather a gradient (While ignoring the XY binary) doesn't help either.

Now combine that with self-esteem issues and you get this shitshow.

 

[Kane Lives]

I will never stop being amazed by how quickly they move.
It took me five years to decide on a new sofa, that was not even expensive, while the one I sat on ruined my bad back meanwhile.

Echo chambers are one hell of a drug, just saying.

 

[teriyakiburns]

There's quite a bit of what appears to be hyper-idealizing of the other gender going on and I blame social media.

This is why fujoshits are massively overrepresented in "gay" ftm circles. Their particular idealisation has convinced them that all homosexual men are just women with penises and social power.

 

[Lady Round Buns]

I thought long and hard (heh) about whether or not to type this out. Powerleveling is okay considering the post's subject matter, right?

I'd always been supportive of troons in the beginning, before the enlightening discovery of the Farms, I thought they were what we'd always been told. Men that were just SO GAY they had to live as women. Okay, cool, I loved my gay friends in high school. Then I started hearing whispers of completely straight, gross men claiming to be women to access vulnerable women and girls. Facebook and immediately being called a TERF for asking questions led me here, and I've been outspoken for YEARS against the tranny menace. Lost countless social media accounts, just lost my Instagram speaking out against that fat Asian potato winning the beauty pageant.

Anyway, my eldest is a complete dipshit. Has been since her childhood. Very self centered, whiney, weak minded, massively low self esteem and Daddy issues up the wazoo thanks to my equally dipshit ex husband. He allowed her on the internet with no supervision, next thing I know, she has a Tumblr. Kid was ruined pretty much immediately. ProtoSJW shit galore. Just too stupid and up her own ass to see it's a bunch of bullshit. That's when she started mentioning the gender specials. I ignored it, other than to say you're born as what you are, there's no such thing as sexed brains. Toward the end of 8th grade, she comes into my room with a weird look on her face. She proceeds to tell me she's bi, and tries to upset me with this revelation. I truly didn't give a shit, and told her to do me a massive favor and get a girlfriend her first day of high school, keep her all 4 years, she can come camping with us and shit. I didn't feel the need to clarify a girlfriend with no dick, this was like 2013 before the Tranny Menace had really sunk its claws into the most vulnerable of the kids.

About a year later, this kid decides she doesn't like my rules, since she'd been making bad decisions, and I'd told her if she's the kind of pig that doesn't see the need for privacy around her younger siblings (It's a whole thing. I won't get into it.) she doesn't need her laptop, her phone, or even her bedroom door. She'd also been treating her younger siblings, jeez, really everyone in the house like complete garbage (screaming at the little kids to get the fuck out of her room, telling them to shut the fuck up, etc), and I was tired of that crap as well. She calls up the downlow homo that I married at 19 because I was stupid, he comes to the rescue. Thus begins a years long saga dealing with this stupid little girl. She abandons us for her father's house, where she's allowed to see her shitty little boyfriend ("Omg, I'm sooooo BI!) and generally act a goddamn fool. We didn't see her much, she starts telling everyone that will listen that I'm abusive and neglectful, that I'd thrown her out by her hair and thrown her things all over the driveway the day she left, even going so far as to file false reports with child services. She's a real peach.

We reconciled 3 years ago, but I never went back to feeling comfortable around her. I was always on edge, always watching what I said, despite her constantly trying to get my goat bringing up her gender fee fees nonsense and generally being an insufferable fag hag faggot herself. She's gotten her younger sister into this mindset, and she also claims to be bi now, though she curiously only lusts after pretty Kpop Asian boys. Just because dude you're crushing on looks like a bitch doesn't make you bi.

Recently, a comment on social media that had nothing to do with my kid pissed her off, she proceeds to whine a reply which her homo father, her sister, and two little dead eyed skanks on her friends list promptly "care" reacted. I replied to her bullshit with a calm, non-antagonistic explanation as to why I'd made the one word comment I did, thought that would be that. Of course, it wasn't. A couple days later, she texts to tell me she loves me but can't be around me when I'm "acting like this". She also accused me of drinking too much, which I haven't been, and I told her to be honest with at least herself for once. She doesn't give a shit about me or my supposed drinking, since her first instinct is to take off on me again, but that she's annoyed that I don't worship troons or Burn Loot Murder blacks, and speak out against their inane, dangerous nonsense regularly. Of course she can't just suck tranny cock, it's gotta be black cock as well. She's suuuuuuch a good person, you see, and I'm such a bad one.

So yeah, we don't talk. It's been about 3 months. I got her some gifts for her birthday recently, why I don't know, I said they were from her youngest siblings. I also forgot to mention she'd also been using she/they since 2021, now recently I noticed she's "non-binary" with a stupid looking haircut, drag queen makeup (though she had been wearing that style for a while), and they/them pronouns. She is continually getting bad tattoos and piercings in her face, and the self hate she has for herself just radiates. She'd gained over 100 pounds since she left for her father's, and though she has a flimsy, see thru facade of Yasssss Qweeeeeen I'm Fat and FABULOUUUUS you can tell she has shit self esteem. No one troons out that loves themselves.

Anyway, I don't want her around as it is. She's in her early 20s, she's got a very nice boyfriend that takes care of her, bought her a house, and puts up with her mental instability bullshit, she'll be fine.

 

[glass_houses]

@Lady Round Buns Your story screams that your daughter has bipolar and/or a personality disorder. Did someone hurt her?

 

[Lady Round Buns]

@Lady Round Buns Your story screams that your daughter has bipolar and/or a personality disorder. Did someone hurt her?

I know it's the thing these days to say someone is a narcissist, but I'm pretty certain her dad is a narcissist. He's her times 100: Makes up things you supposedly said and did out of whole cloth, gaslights you into believing that yes you said and did those things you're just a psycho and out of your mind, that it's all your fault and all in your head. She's been the same since she was about 9, he left when she was 7, the night before her birthday party. He showed up long enough to drop off the kids of the bitch who he was cheating on me with, didn't acknowledge our daughter and took off to do God knows what with that skank. He's always treated our daughters as second class, then gaslights them when they confront him about his favoritism. I've always felt the shitty way her father acts and treats her has had an affect on her development. She's the same kind of crybully victim minded POS that he is.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Echo chambers are one hell of a drug, just saying.

You as Cabal Kane should know that well.

[...] and you yourself are a killer of children! No, Of course it's not true, but the world only believes what the media tells them to believe. And I tell the media what to believe, it's really quite simple.

Control the media, control the mind.

 

[Ed Special]

Found out a few days ago that a deadbeat family member's planning to flee halfway across the country to shack up with some tranny he's never actually met in person before. Feels bad, man. Dumbass has no marketable skills that I'm aware of and his only job experience is in a warehouse, and he's planning to move to the dead center of the Democrat-blighted Rust Belt, so he's pretty much fucked if his "girlfriend" kicks his ass out. I'm also afraid that "she" is aware of this and plans to abuse that unbalanced power dynamic and force him to get a stink ditch, too.

 

[glass_houses]

Found out a few days ago that a deadbeat family member's planning to flee halfway across the country to shack up with some tranny he's never actually met in person before. Feels bad, man. Dumbass has no marketable skills that I'm aware of and his only job experience is in a warehouse, and he's planning to move to the dead center of the Democrat-blighted Rust Belt, so he's pretty much fucked if his "girlfriend" kicks his ass out. I'm also afraid that "she" is aware of this and plans to abuse that unbalanced power dynamic and force him to get a stink ditch, too.

I know this sounds pretty harsh mate, but if he's as big a deadbeat as you say, maybe trooning out is for the better. That way he won't accumulate multiple bubs with different mothers that he has no ability/no interest in supporting. Sometimes people deliberately removing themselves from the gene pool is for the best.

PL: Have a sister who had multiple kids, multiple fathers, utterly refused to get a job until she was forty five and sucked my family dry for decades. One word for her: parasite. If trooning out had been a thing in her day, I would have driven her to the hospital myself to get her uterus removed.

 

[Ed Special]

I know this sounds pretty harsh mate, but if he's as big a deadbeat as you say, maybe trooning out is for the better. That way he won't accumulate multiple bubs with different mothers that he has no ability/no interest in supporting. Sometimes people deliberately removing themselves from the gene pool is for the best.

PL: Have a sister who had multiple kids, multiple fathers, utterly refused to get a job until she was forty five and sucked my family dry for decades. One word for her: parasite. If trooning out had been a thing in her day, I would have driven her to the hospital myself to get her uterus removed.

Yeah, just kinda sucks to see it happen. I'm not planning on having any kids due to genetically linked health issues (and similarly inheritable issues a long-deceased tardbaby sibling had), and both his sibling and mine are tards who'll definitely never be able to raise kids, so, barring his father's earlier bastards having better luck, the bloodline just... kinda ends with this generation. His father was an even worse deadbeat way back when and finally sobered up and got his life together when he was born, so... yeah, kinda hoped he'd do the same.

 

[glass_houses]

Yeah, just kinda sucks to see it happen. I'm not planning on having any kids due to genetically linked health issues (and similarly inheritable issues a long-deceased tardbaby sibling had), and both his sibling and mine are tards who'll definitely never be able to raise kids, so, barring his father's earlier bastards having better luck, the bloodline just... kinda ends with this generation. His father was an even worse deadbeat way back when and finally sobered up and got his life together when he was born, so... yeah, kinda hoped he'd do the same.

Children aren't an option for me either, for much the same reason. I feel that feel. But dude... somethings really should end. I guess from a genetic point of view I'm better off than you because I do have some reasonably functional niblings that are in theory capable of successfully raising offspring, but I also have a lot of niblings who don't function at all and frankly probably shouldn't have been born. (I have a shitton of niblings. Attempts at relationships with 80% of them have met with failure.) Sometimes the best contribution that you can make to the human gene pool is not to go swimming in it. I have a name that's been passed down for four generations of my family. It ends with me and I feel profound guilt about that. But if I had a daughter to pass the name onto, I wouldn't be the one raising her and almost definitely she would not feel the familial obligation to pass it on. Either way, the name ends with me. And passing down a name is a shitty reason to bring a child into the world anyway.

So... I feel you, bro. I feel that feel. But of all the infinite list of unforgivable things to do in this world, bringing a child into it that you know ahead of time that you know will only suffer and inherit your malfunction is right up there.