Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Apis mellifera]

You still want some intent for the people involved. Blue and pink could just be made brighter:

I like this one. The egg one is darkly funny, but I feel like it isn't appropriately solemn enough for people who have lost their wives, husbands, sons, daughters, friends, or parents to transgenderism.

I think a hand sign for this should be an open palm facing outward (️) but with the thumb tucked in over the palm.

Then, in real life when we hug each other for support, that little notch of the thumb will be felt as we pat each other on the back. This will symbolize how such a "small thing" like gender identity could become such a big deal.

As a nod to the domestic abuse experienced by countless troon widows and widowers, this is also half of the motion involved with the viral "domestic violence help symbol" from a year or two ago, which is like this but then you close your fingers down around your thumb to make a fist.

I think this gesture would be a good symbol because, when you do it, you can feel powerful. You have this posture that says, "Stop! I'm saying no!" Which is very apt.

The graphic of the ribbon is also really good, of course. I'm not suggesting we have a hand gesture instead of it.

Anyway, my heart goes out to all of you.

I also like this idea a lot. The bit about it being 1/2 of the DV nonverbal signal makes me feel seen, thanks for that. It would be cool if we could spread this idea off-site, transwidows are so routinely silenced by the sacred tranny that it can feel very isolating. The amount of people I've met who dismiss the abusive behaviour of my exe by bringing up the fact that he was mentally ill and transgender is astonishing, and I know I'm not alone in this experience. Trannies really can do no wrong.

 

[Kupier]

The ribbon shit is gay.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

This all just sounds to me like you’re a really poor and sad excuse for a parent who also stuck your kid with an awful dad who, at the very least, managed to be a little bit nice to her sometimes when she was at his house, Jesus Christ. Wish I could go through your whole first post and a-log the shit of it to really earn my hats, but the quote function for that one isn’t working. Too bad, would have been fun for me to detail all the ways in which you sound awful!
Instead, I guess I’ll just say that I have literally never seen someone spew such vitriol about their CHILD in my entire online life, and it ain’t been short.

“She is continually getting bad tattoos and piercings in her face, and the self hate she has for herself just radiates. She'd gained over 100 pounds since she left for her father's, and though she has a flimsy, see thru facade of Yasssss Qweeeeeen I'm Fat and FABULOUUUUS you can tell she has shit self esteem. No one troons out that loves themselves.” -You

Wow, I wonder what figure in her formative years could have possibly contributed to these levels of self-hatred and destruction?

“She's been the same since she was about 9”
Sounds to me like you wrote off a literal 9 year old for not being the picture of emotional and mental instability after her dad left and mom turned to the bottle (I recall a part where she said you’d been drinking a lot but you said you hadn’t been, right? I bet that accusation didn’t come from nowhere though, did it?)

“I've always felt the shitty way her father acts and treats her has had an affect on her development.”
Lol, but there’s no way you’ve had any negative affect on her development, all his fault right? The narcissist parent, who definitely, for sure, couldn’t possibly be you in this situation

“She doesn't give a shit about me or my supposed drinking, since her first instinct is to take off on me again”
You’re right, when she gave birth to you she signed up for a lifelong responsibility to always be there for yo—oh wait, you’re the parent lol

“Of course she can't just suck tranny cock, it's gotta be black cock as well. She's suuuuuuch a good person, you see, and I'm such a bad one”
Gross lol you’re terrible! just, god damn that whole hurt to read and I know none of these people. I have genuine sadfeels for this girl and I hope she finds healing someday

Okay, now I’ll wear 500 hats with pride here on the way to my threadban or whatever, she just sounds awful. Borderline cowish, judging by what can’t be anything other that a complete lack of self-awareness and a willingness to reflect on one’e role in the situations one finds oneself in
Also accidentally provided a flawless Exhibit A of the kind of non-parenting that produces barely functional adult babies at best. I’d probably be an obese troon too if the wreckage this person described was my childhood.

Me irl:
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Thank you for stepping up and saying what needed to be said here. I scrolled back up to the round buns post a couple times initially, contemplating if it was worth saying anything, but landed on "forget it, Jake, it's single mom town."

I did catch this tidbit:

She calls up the downlow homo that I married at 19 because I was stupid, he comes to the rescue.

So which one is it, "Lady"? Is your ex a fag, or is he a playa who took of with "who knows what skank"? Or is the guy you married at 19 a different guy than the father of your rejected oldest child, and yet a third guy fathered her "younger siblings"?

I'm curious to know just how broken your picker is, because I have a morbid fascination with these things.

The ribbon shit is gay.

And the hand sign stuff- that had better be a joke.

 

[Lady Bizness]

I just had a great big family get together where they were asking me about all this dumb tranny shit (because I was identified as the expert...great) and it was really refreshing hearing sane reactions and opinions from normies. Take heart those who post in this thread, the vast majority of the world is not deep-fried in purple hair dye. I work in the woke, so I understand that if you are living amongst people who are all about gender ideology, it must feel hopeless.

 

[Vingle]

“Of course she can't just suck tranny cock, it's gotta be black cock as well. She's suuuuuuch a good person, you see, and I'm such a bad one”
Gross lol you’re terrible! just, god damn that whole hurt to read and I know none of these people. I have genuine sadfeels for this girl and I hope she finds healing someday

Every good parent should disown the children, for fucking niggers. And only healing she's gonna find. Is at best case getting a black eye and staying away from niggers, or getting killed by one. Which we have seen many such cases of.
A parent would be absolutely terrified of something bad happening to their kid. If it got involved with a nigger.
Never relax around blacks is a term for a reason.

So which one is it, "Lady"? Is your ex a fag, or is he a playa who took of with "who knows what skank"? Or is the guy you married at 19 a different guy than the father of your rejected oldest child, and yet a third guy fathered her "younger siblings"?

I think her sadness and bitterness over losing her husband, from him cheating nevertheless. I think she's allowed to grieve, and she married the retard when she almost was a kid herself. So the impact of the trauma is bigger.
I don't think a father that rather cheat than ending the relationship in a proper matter. Is a good parent.
She taking to the bottle is because of the trauma her ex-husband caused her. I would hear with an attorney about suing for emotional damage. Because it so sounds like she doesn't have it good, and her relationship with her daughter is getting ruined by the trauma said ex-husband caused her.

There is always two sides to the story, but I don't think the ex-husbands version will sound any less sketch.

 

[Chongqing]

@Vingle what you're saying buys into the feminist fallacy that all of a woman's problems are caused by a man, and that none of the problems are solvable so life is for grieving.

To the lady on the previous page whose username I don't remember, I was disturbed by reading your post. You don't have to live life like that.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Every good parent should disown the children, for fucking niggers. And only healing she's gonna find. Is at best case getting a black eye and staying away from niggers, or getting killed by one. Which we have seen many such cases of.
A parent would be absolutely terrified of something bad happening to their kid. If it got involved with a nigger.
Never relax around blacks is a term for a reason.

I think her sadness and bitterness over losing her husband, from him cheating nevertheless. I think she's allowed to grieve, and she married the retard when she almost was a kid herself. So the impact of the trauma is bigger.
I don't think a father that rather cheat than ending the relationship in a proper matter. Is a good parent.
She taking to the bottle is because of the trauma her ex-husband caused her. I would hear with an attorney about suing for emotional damage. Because it so sounds like she doesn't have it good, and her relationship with her daughter is getting ruined by the trauma said ex-husband caused her.

There is always two sides to the story, but I don't think the ex-husbands version will sound any less sketch.

This is simp shit.

No one on this thread has defended the dad (except to say he managed to occasionally be nice to his kid, which is the weakest version of a "defense" for a dad I can think of).

Adult Human Females (TM) have moral agency and responsibility for their own actions. I don't care how many bums screwed her over on child support or whatever, at some point she is responsible for being the one who chooses shitty men to mate with, for being shitty to her child and having a shitty attitude towards a little kid who can't help who brought them into the world, and for becoming a drunk who is incapable of being appropriate and present as a parent.

He has responsibility for being a deadbeat, cheater, and whatever else he is. But she has responsibility for her own failures.

 

[Vingle]

@Vingle what you're saying buys into the feminist fallacy that all of a woman's problems are caused by a man, and that none of the problems are solvable so life is for grieving.

This problem is caused by a man though. And him paying compensation for the trauma he caused her won't solve it, but it will be somewhat comforting and may make the daughter realise that her mother is the way she is because her dad was a scumbag to her.
I would say the same thing if she was in a relationship with a woman too.

This is simp shit.

I'm gay male. If it's simping to not defend heterosexual men for some of the scummy things they do. Sure, I may be a simp then.

I don't care how many bums screwed her over on child support or whatever

She only talked about the ex-husband screwing her over. You seem very dishonest in your debating, and makes her out to be a slut. When the whole story is about 1 guy. This is a very typical male thing to do, when they want to downplay how shitty their behaviour towards women are.

she has responsibility for her own failures.

It's a bit different when she married him at 19 vs if this was just a year ago.

Edit: Substance abuse is ALWAYS a symptom for something deep rooted.

 

[Lady Round Buns]

This problem is caused by a man though. And him paying compensation for the trauma he caused her won't solve it, but it will be somewhat comforting and may make the daughter realise that her mother is the way she is because her dad was a scumbag to her.
I would say the same thing if she was in a relationship with a woman too.

I'm gay male. If it's simping to not defend heterosexual men for some of the scummy things they do. Sure, I may be a simp then.

She only talked about the ex-husband screwing her over. You seem very dishonest in your debating, and makes her out to be a slut. When the whole story is about 1 guy. This is a very typical male thing to do, when they want to downplay how shitty their behaviour towards women are.

It's a bit different when she married him at 19 vs if this was just a year ago.

Edit: Substance abuse is ALWAYS a symptom for something deep rooted.

The thing is, I didn't have a substance abuse problem at all. I was teetotaler in my youth, and when she was a child. I didn't drink at all back then. Except at weddings.

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Yep, I picked badly, I married the guy I had been with since I was 17. He's the classic kind of abuser, he waits to show you who he really is as soon as he has you good and trapped. He was cheating on me with women and possibly men too, he had some issues as a teen before we got together. He was never kind to our daughters, they were always last priority, his wants and needs were first.

I never abused or neglected my daughters (who are from the first husband), but he sure as hell did. Left for a month and a half after he'd first moved out, didn't call them, didn't visit. I wasn't upset about his leaving, he was awful. That just made him angrier, that I didn't care and that I was glad he was out of the house. Then he moved into the main woman's house that he had been running around with, proceeded to treat her children great (he's her 4th husband, might I add) and our children like shit. Allowed that bitch to pick on them routinely (telling my eldest she eats too much and that the clothes she's wearing aren't big enough, etc), allowed her children to bully them, especially my younger girl. My daughter's best friend's mother had to intervene more than once when her stepmother was screaming at her on the street like a crazy person.

Looking back I can see the bad behavior taking hold when she was 9ish. Did I ever tell her she was an awful person, that she was a horrible kid, anything like that? Nope, but her father sure did. Or at least she told me he had, who knows what's the truth. I've never had to call him in a panic because she's, as a teen, throwing a screaming tantrum, throwing things, threatening to kill herself, trying to leave the house. He has, multiple times. He indulges her tantrums and fits, I do not. As I've told her, telling her "No." is not abuse. Refusing to give in to her lunacy is not abuse. Acknowledging that she behaves badly and makes bad decisions, is not abuse. I was always there when she needed me, but when it came time to choose, I had to let her go to her dad's. She was abusing everyone in the house, the little kids were showing signs of stress and anxiety when she was around. When she left, she was in counseling, was a healthy weight, and seemingly happy, little did I know that her dad was driving a wedge between us behind the scenes. Since she was constantly being punished for bad decisions, he'd told her he'd get her a phone, a laptop, he'd let her do whatever she wanted as long as she lived with him. The sad thing is, he didn't really want her, he just wanted to hurt me and since he doesn't live on the same plane of reality as the rest of us, he thought child support would be a wash if we each had a kid. So off she went, and the little kids were doing better almost immediately.

Have I made mistakes? Sure. Do I abuse and neglect my kid? No. That's reserved for her dad's house. Oh! And he didn't keep any of the promises he'd made her to entice her over either. Abusers never do.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

The thing is, I didn't have a substance abuse problem at all. I was teetotaler in my youth, and when she was a child. I didn't drink at all back then. Except at weddings.

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Yep, I picked badly, I married the guy I had been with since I was 17. He's the classic kind of abuser, he waits to show you who he really is as soon as he has you good and trapped. He was cheating on me with women and possibly men too, he had some issues as a teen before we got together. He was never kind to our daughters, they were always last priority, his wants and needs were first.

I never abused or neglected my daughters (who are from the first husband), but he sure as hell did. Left for a month and a half after he'd first moved out, didn't call them, didn't visit. I wasn't upset about his leaving, he was awful. That just made him angrier, that I didn't care and that I was glad he was out of the house. Then he moved into the main woman's house that he had been running around with, proceeded to treat her children great (he's her 4th husband, might I add) and our children like shit. Allowed that bitch to pick on them routinely (telling my eldest she eats too much and that the clothes she's wearing aren't big enough, etc), allowed her children to bully them, especially my younger girl. My daughter's best friend's mother had to intervene more than once when her stepmother was screaming at her on the street like a crazy person.

Looking back I can see the bad behavior taking hold when she was 9ish. Did I ever tell her she was an awful person, that she was a horrible kid, anything like that? Nope, but her father sure did. Or at least she told me he had, who knows what's the truth. I've never had to call him in a panic because she's, as a teen, throwing a screaming tantrum, throwing things, threatening to kill herself, trying to leave the house. He has, multiple times. He indulges her tantrums and fits, I do not. As I've told her, telling her "No." is not abuse. Refusing to give in to her lunacy is not abuse. Acknowledging that she behaves badly and makes bad decisions, is not abuse. I was always there when she needed me, but when it came time to choose, I had to let her go to her dad's. She was abusing everyone in the house, the little kids were showing signs of stress and anxiety when she was around. When she left, she was in counseling, was a healthy weight, and seemingly happy, little did I know that her dad was driving a wedge between us behind the scenes. Since she was constantly being punished for bad decisions, he'd told her he'd get her a phone, a laptop, he'd let her do whatever she wanted as long as she lived with him. The sad thing is, he didn't really want her, he just wanted to hurt me and since he doesn't live on the same plane of reality as the rest of us, he thought child support would be a wash if we each had a kid. So off she went, and the little kids were doing better almost immediately.

Have I made mistakes? Sure. Do I abuse and neglect my kid? No. That's reserved for her dad's house. Oh! And he didn't keep any of the promises he'd made her to entice her over either. Abusers never do.

Yeah back to my original verdict: forget it, Jake, it's single mom town.

 

[Cpt. Stud Beefpile]

I already had Photoshop open so I whipped up this real quick:
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It's a mostly black ribbon with the colors of the trans flag on the tips and the back. Black being the traditional color of mourning/grief and the trans colors standing in for men, women, and people that ID as nonbinary that join the cult and remove themselves from our lives (or from their own lives 41% of the time.)

A couple very minor suggestions - make a clear color-shift line so that 41% (or close enough) is visually represented in the dark section. Also maybe blood streaks or tears to represent the mutilation and the damage it causes.

 

[Chongqing]

This problem is caused by a man though.

How is her picking wrong (as she said) his fault? It's not his fault.

 

[Vingle]

How is her picking wrong (as she said) his fault? It's not his fault.

She was a teen and she was groomed into picking him, it's the same as grooming a teen to take the troonshine.

 

[Chongqing]

She was a teen and she was groomed into picking him, it's the same as grooming a teen to take the troonshine.

Was it an age gap relationship? Would it matter?

This story is BS.

 

[doodoocaca]

I'd love to just be able to hit eject and bail out of the way of it, but it simply is not currently possible for me. Like with many people in this thread, I do not have the ability to kick them out of my friend group, nor would I particularly want to. They're a good person, just misguided. Unfortunately they just ended up in just the wrong circumstance for that to lead to a decision that'll last their whole lives. Most of the time politics is brought up in this group, it's leftie, and whenever any group associated with the LGBT is mentioned it is in a neutral or positive light. The transgender individual, when they post politics, only posts with gay/trans imagery online, though I have avoided their public social media where they do so more. The general group never talk about the bad of IDPOL, though I know there are people that would. But fortunately I am able to avoid the current year issue spergery 90% of the time and it's only 2 or 3 people, including the transgender, in a group of >20 friends who talk politics, and that's really only online. But like many of these cases I've seen it creep in more and more, but I suppose I could just be coming more aware of it. I will never be able to be fully honest with my beliefs on these issues with most of these people, and I've mostly come to accept that and will attempt to find people that I could be truthful with. But growing up with most of these people, including those that brought the confused individual in, it makes it all the more difficult to eventually leave them behind if it truly is going to get to that point. I do thank you for giving advice. Just not sure if I can personally make use of it.

Just repeating this back to you reductively:

• This is going to last their whole life
• This group is an echo chamber
• This person is already posting the loony troon queer stuff
• They won't allow critique of their echo
• A handful of people are currentyear sperging already
• It's creeping in more and more
• You can't ever be honest with your beliefs with them
• You're sticking around because you grew up with them

It brings me no joy to tell you that you're going to leave them or they're going to boot you, inevitably, when you finally feel forced to speak up or you're put on the spot and don't bend the knee. Your choice is if you do it on your terms now or their terms when they feel like forcing the issue. The cancer is already metastasized.

Finding adult friends isn't a negative experience, mind you. Its part of growing up. Maybe you'll find actual adults who can handle disagreements without pissing their pants to hang out with.

 

[sleepdeprived]

I had a close friend who identified as an FTM troon long before I'd met her. In the beginning, it rarely if ever came up in conversation, and she hadn't medically transitioned or gone further than cutting her hair and dressing in normal business casual men's attire. I was certain that, because she was gainfully employed at a lab, pursuing a career in the sciences, and didn't look like a fucking clown, she wasn't like the rest of the Starbucks baristas who wanted to relive adolescence as an anime boy.

Here comes the downswing. She gave up on her degree entirely, quit the job at her lab, started working minimum wage, and went through multiple programs for almost comically masculine jobs with heavy lifting and physical strength requirements that she was nowhere near qualified to handle (think firefighter or construction worker). She would constantly bitch that her classmates would treat her like a liability or a joke with zero self-awareness. The real tragicomedy of it was that she was short, even for a woman - like 5'0" or 5'1" - and maybe 90 pounds soaking wet. As you can imagine, she didn't make the cut for any of these positions. Last I heard she went skulking back to academia to stay miserably put for the time being.

I mentioned that at first, it rarely came up, but as time went on more and more of our conversations would be her suddenly becoming mopey about how she can't transition as a professional (which I told her, respectfully, is bullshit) or how it was impossible to escape the fact that she was 5 feet tall - or rather, the fact that other people would joke about it or make jokes about short men in general. She didn't want to hear any jokes about short men, ever, or it would ruin her week. She went from a funny if not slightly autistic dude who had trouble reading the room to an irritating, humorless fucking freak over the course of a year and a half because of her height and other random hills that she would die and rot on. I would never know what would set her off and send her into another one of these death spirals of self-loathing and passive-aggressive sadposting about how other people are mean to her.

We don't talk anymore. I miss her from before I knew she had these delusional, entitled expectations for every stranger she's ever met to validate her as a big, strong man, so in a way, I'm mourning a person who never existed.

This is my personal perspective, which you are totally free to disagree with: there is no "good" tranny. There is no "just a guy who wants to get groceries while being comfortable in his own skin" tranny. The person that I knew was the most socially acceptable kind of tranny you could get - an ostensibly intelligent, down-to-earth, white collar professional in unassuming dress, as 'gender-conforming' to male as someone like her could be. Even she was completely delusional about how just saying she was male didn't make her qualified to pull burning rubble off of a victim in a fire or haul heavy lumber, and made her blistering pile of insecurities everyone else's problem. Sooner or later, they all become these self-obsessed troglodytes who can't understand why the world isn't watching their self-immolation and clapping from the sidelines.

 

[Skookum Jim]

Sooner or later, they all become these self-obsessed troglodytes who can't understand why the world isn't watching their self-immolation and clapping from the sidelines.

Absolutely agree, with one caveat. Before social media made brainrot seemingly airborne, the only types of transgender people that really existed were either crossdressers who got way too lost in the sauce and were mocked accordingly, or people so severely mentally ill and uncomfortable in their own skin that transitioning (as in dressing and acting like an approximation of the opposite sex) was literally the only way they could achieve something resembling stability. These people are by no means firing on all cylinders, and they would usually know that and try not to make too big of a deal about it. They usually stuck to their little niches, didn't bother anybody, weren't obnoxious about being "so valid uwu," and so people were usually willing to at the very least let them be, and would usually respect pronouns because it was more of a sympathetic curiosity than a cultural expectation. I have no problem with these people, I have never been in a headspace where I felt that was necessary, it's outside my realm of understanding, but I do have enough sympathy for them that i'll call them ma'am if they want me to. They're a dying breed unfortunately, that or i just don't notice them and stories about them as they are not completely reprehensible.

 

[NerdShamer]

@sleepdeprived It's kind of an unfair expectation to expect an autist not to become an complete snowflake when they're obsessed with something.

 

[s0mbra]

I just had a great big family get together where they were asking me about all this dumb tranny shit (because I was identified as the expert...great) and it was really refreshing hearing sane reactions and opinions from normies. Take heart those who post in this thread, the vast majority of the world is not deep-fried in purple hair dye. I work in the woke, so I understand that if you are living amongst people who are all about gender ideology, it must feel hopeless.

To add to this, I've been seeing more and more sane comments on reddit of all places. Including regular stuff from r/all with lots of upvotes. So if places like reddit are beginning to speak up, the tide may be turning.


Also can we get back to losing loved ones to trannyism stories and not shitty moms trying to justify themselves or whatever tf that was?

 

[Inside your walls]

Honestly I am not sure where to talk about this but I think this is the proper thread;

Recently one of the most weirdest phenomenon's I've noticed on the Internet is "edgelords" or edgy people who used to either full-on shit or even just lightly joke about trannies suddenly switching that behavior off like a light and they become the biggest TRAs/handmaidens, or in worst cases troons themselves. Similarly how when someone comes out as trans their personality just dies and is replaced with this husk that only talks about
how traaaaans and gay they are, these types of people just become mouthpieces for that shit.

Spoiler: story time and I tried my best to format this good lol

The reason why I am talking about this is because, you guessed it, this happened to a former friend of mine. Let's call this dude "B".
B is autistic (Legitimately diagnosed. The type that needed to be tard wrangled/called out when he was doing stupid shit sometimes) and liked autism magnets such as Star Wars or general comics. He was also
weirdly edgy like saying how he sympathized with Columbine shooters because of his experiences with being bullied.
(Seriously )

B told me how he was tired of transgender bullshit because of two things in particular;

1. B's sister trooned out with him suspecting that she was groomed through TikTok. He was also bothered with her accusing their caregivers of abusing her because they didn't entertain her delusions.
2. A tranny and his posse of passive aggressive fat nerds larping as anime women went to do some gayops via creating a burner twitter account to post out of context messages (Such as his "colorful" sense of humor, a post of him saying Saint Floyd wasn't a big deal, the Columbine thing, shit like that) to try to smear his reputation with his other online circles because he had the audacity to make fun of some generic anime comic artist they liked. (So fucking gay I know) They legit wanted to have him ruined for something as innocuous as that. Despite that, B was still friends with them all even after that incident. Me and my boyfriend had to really explain to him, a goddamn adult, in detail that what they did to him was not normal and that friends don't do that shit. We tried to convince him that he needed to cut them off because they are legitimately deranged which obviously didn't work lol.

B constantly talked to us with how he's upset about troonism destroying friendships and family until out of nowhere he cuts off all contact with us (Pure irony) which he tried to blame onto "outside forces". (More on this at the end) This of course didn't sit right with me or my boyfriend and we were pretty devastated by this sudden development because that was literal years of so-called friendship just down the drain. Recently I decided to look him up since he was one of those people that used one username for everything and had generally piss-poor opsec.
Well I guess something snapped in him because B became a terminally online (In truth he was always like that...) Disney coonsomer guy who's whole twitter activity is either trying to engage in quote tweet slap fights (and failing miserably because everybody ignores him for the most part lol), being a typical "replyguy contrarian", or a gracious noble troon ally. (With pronouns in his bio to boot!). On top of that due to the recent shit with Musk, he went back to tumblr (Which to him became shit a couple years back and originally left it for twitter) and is now clearly butt-buddies with the troon and its posse that did gayops on him.

This was incredibly frustrating to see but then I remember the signs of this shit being there about 4'ish years ago, when he was trying to identify as "demiboy" and tried doing femboy shit. Despite having a girlfriend (who's now his fiancé that he lives with) and being the most stereotypical looking pale pudgy nerd that doesn't have any androgynous features, he kept harping about it how he was such a femboy until my boyfriend snapped him out of that weird episode.
I am convinced that the "outside force" that he accused of before removing us was bullshit. He clearly never did cut off those "friends" that fucked with him and probably had some part to persuade him to end our friendship.
I am fully convinced that now that he has nobody to be his tard wrangler/voice of reason, those troon "friends" will definitely attempt to make him return to that "demiboy"/femboy nonsense. Shit, the worse thing that could happen is he himself troons out which is going to be a trainwreck if that happens because he has a stable job and his fiancé. If she won't tolerate this troon shit and kicks him out he's pretty much fucked.

Just like the feeder fetishist I mentioned a while back, the person we knew at this point is dead. It's his path to follow, he's not our problem. We tried our best to be good friends. We really did.