Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[sleepdeprived]

I don't think it's a coincidence that transition is a siren call to someone who's at least 2 of these 3 things: poorly educated, totally unexceptional, or afraid of adulthood and aging. I've heard it said often that some trannies want to transition in a desperate bid to stop aging or to reclaim/relive a youth that they supposedly never got to live, which makes sense - FTMs want to be seen as boys not men, and MTFs want to be seen as lithe anime girls rather than actual women. A lot of grotesque manchildren and womenchildren panic and try to cobble together a second adolescence for themselves when the looming void of 'real' adulthood draws near. I think for others, they just need a purpose: some of my graduated friends or friends of friends have realized that they're now aimless and have taken up transitioning, or want to take up transition as their new multi-year journey.

This is something someone at a support group I attend at university threw out: she wanted to transition because she thought men aged, quote, better than women. I won't get into whether that's true or not, but what I do know is FTMs age far worse than either men or women - that one video of that 21-year-old Aiden whose hairline looks like a damn tennis ball after 5 years on HRT can attest to that.

 

[Vingle]

This is something someone at a support group I attend at university threw out: she wanted to transition because she thought men aged, quote, better than women. I won't get into whether that's true or not

Men's skin is in general thicker and more oily than women skin. And as a skincare fanatic male myself, I can say I look younger than other men my age. But most of it is because I know the skincare that isn't BS.
Can't really say that men that are afraid of taking care of their skin, looks any good. But compared to women that don't do anything yes.

But holy fuck, taking the troonshine just because you can't be bothered to learn about what works or not in beauty.

 

[Inside your walls]

FTMs want to be seen as boys not men, and MTFs want to be seen as lithe anime girls rather than actual women. A lot of grotesque manchildren and womenchildren panic and try to cobble together a second adolescence for themselves when the looming void of 'real' adulthood draws near.

To be an adult man or woman, means you acknowledge struggles, responsibilities (some of those things tend to be even related with your gender, wherever we like it or not).

But for these "people" having struggles and responsibilities is gross and icky, you can't be a cute anime girl or yaoi fuckboy, if you have to go through life like rest of us, if you have to get up for work so you can pay the bills
and having to always plan ahead with everything because tomorrow is uncertain, especially when you're on your own.

People who usually try desperately to prevent aging, wherever it's through injecting Botox on their face, having plastic surgeries, doing unhealthy amount of escapism or just developing the Peter Pan syndrome;
Ironically enough tend to age the worst, and troons are no exception to that.

 

[ConSluttant]

The mental health screenings that are already mandated in some places have a similar impact. Bad incident in my family where a young kid (I think about 7 at the time) first was introduced to the concept of "killing oneself" through one of those screenings and developed actual anxiety due to the imagery it cooked up in their little fuzzy head.

The ages of 7-8 is a very influential time. I went to my first fire preventing assembly at that age and came home TERRIFIED that I had to figure out a way to escape my bedroom in case of Fire. I plotted out which toy was the heaviest that I could lift myself to break my window to escape. It stayed with me so much that I remember it to this day more than 40 years later. My mother remarked that she told the school that it made her formerly logical child freak tf out and suggested a different one for the next year for that reason. Screening kids for something potentially scary like trooning is a very bad idea

 

[grasshoppermustard]

Men's skin is in general thicker and more oily than women skin. And as a skincare fanatic male myself, I can say I look younger than other men my age. But most of it is because I know the skincare that isn't BS.
Can't really say that men that are afraid of taking care of their skin, looks any good. But compared to women that don't do anything yes.

But holy fuck, taking the troonshine just because you can't be bothered to learn about what works or not in beauty.

90% of skincare is staying out of the sun, avoiding sugary food and not taking hot showers/baths aka the things that doesn't cost money. I still use a cleanser, and moisturiser but the rest of the products such as acid peels etc I'm convinced do more harm than good, at least to your wallet.

 

[Vingle]

90% of skincare is staying out of the sun, avoiding sugary food and not taking hot showers/baths aka the things that doesn't cost money. I still use a cleanser, and moisturiser but the rest of the products such as acid peels etc I'm convinced do more harm than good, at least to your wallet.

Showering in itself does exfoliate the skin, there's no need to do anything more. If you don't have a skin condition that requires more exfoliating.

 

[Staticness]

It’s always very sad when a kid I’ve been mentoring fully transitions, they no longer make my amhole twitch and I have to let them go.

 

[Aunt Carol]

The ages of 7-8 is a very influential time. I went to my first fire preventing assembly at that age and came home TERRIFIED that I had to figure out a way to escape my bedroom in case of Fire. I plotted out which toy was the heaviest that I could lift myself to break my window to escape. It stayed with me so much that I remember it to this day more than 40 years later.

This was also my experience, and something I've heard from other people (as adults). Woke up in the middle of the night a lot, checking for smoke, knowing it was never an if but a when.

So yeah, kids get freaked out easily. Putting house fires on their radar is at least going to save a couple of lives; telling kids to constantly reinspect their gender is only going to make things worse.

 

[Protistology]

The ages of 7-8 is a very influential time. I went to my first fire preventing assembly at that age and came home TERRIFIED that I had to figure out a way to escape my bedroom in case of Fire. I plotted out which toy was the heaviest that I could lift myself to break my window to escape. It stayed with me so much that I remember it to this day more than 40 years later. My mother remarked that she told the school that it made her formerly logical child freak tf out and suggested a different one for the next year for that reason. Screening kids for something potentially scary like trooning is a very bad idea

I remember memorizing how to spot counterfeit Pokemon toys after reading an article in Pojo. It's a epidemic, I have to do my part!

 

[RMQualtrough]

Ask Hoel. Dead by suicide. You probably think I'm joking because the name sounds like "asshole". He had a wife once, she has an incest fetishist and touches her son Robin. I mention this because realistically she needs to be reported to CPS in Norway.

 

[Ed Special]

Discuss with your therapist or psychologist, I know you have one.

Getting professional mental health care isn't the amazing "Gotcha!" you seem to think it is, bro. Maybe that mindset is why everyone in your life thinks you're such a miserable cunt?

 

[One Quick Post]

I've heard it said often that some trannies want to transition in a desperate bid to stop aging or to reclaim/relive a youth that they supposedly never got to live

I feel like young boys who grew up in urban areas largely deprived of the experience of natural boyish adventure are hit by this awful malaise in their 20s and 30s. How many boys from rural areas, growing up fishing, camping, hiking, hunting, biking, etc, do you see trooning out? Not too many, I'd bet.

That feeling of adventure, of triumph over a challenge, of having to rely on yourself and your own wits and strength, it's part of what shapes boys into men. You get young boys now growing up in concrete hellscapes with a single mother and an iPad as their replacement male role model, and we wonder why they feel unmanly. The destruction of the traditional family unit has been fucking devastating for society.

This can be rectified by going out into nature, you can't reclaim your lost youth by cutting your dick off, but you'll feel a lot less old after you've just hiked up a mountain. I have unironically seen like 60 year old men on mountain trails who have more of a youthful spark in their eye than the average 25 year old troon.

 

[Emanems]

The ages of 7-8 is a very influential time. I went to my first fire preventing assembly at that age and came home TERRIFIED that I had to figure out a way to escape my bedroom in case of Fire. I plotted out which toy was the heaviest that I could lift myself to break my window to escape. It stayed with me so much that I remember it to this day more than 40 years later

Something similar happened to me regarding some CO2 intoxications where the story by the Fire Department goes some kids were in a school trip sleeping then in an old reformed house-hostal and they all got CO2 intoxicated and died. I was terrified in every single school trip after that, thinking it could happen to us.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

This was also my experience, and something I've heard from other people (as adults). Woke up in the middle of the night a lot, checking for smoke, knowing it was never an if but a when.

So yeah, kids get freaked out easily. Putting house fires on their radar is at least going to save a couple of lives; telling kids to constantly reinspect their gender is only going to make things worse.

I got furiously mad at my dad because he wouldn't let us practice jumping out our windows after the 3rd grade fire safety assembly. Now in retrospect, we lived in a ranch style house, it probably didn't require rehearsing. But the assembly had pounded home that if you weren't prepared you could die. I wanted to know I was ready. I wanted to know that I'd be able to get my guinea pig Robert and little brother out too. Dad just didn't understand the urgency. He didn't want to deal with reinstalling the screens.

Also in retrospect, he was a retired firefighter (moved to a safer desk job after having a family) and probably found the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious.

 

[Ed Special]

I feel like young boys who grew up in urban areas largely deprived of the experience of natural boyish adventure are hit by this awful malaise in their 20s and 30s. How many boys from rural areas, growing up fishing, camping, hiking, hunting, biking, etc, do you see trooning out? Not too many, I'd bet.

That feeling of adventure, of triumph over a challenge, of having to rely on yourself and your own wits and strength, it's part of what shapes boys into men. You get young boys now growing up in concrete hellscapes with a single mother and an iPad as their replacement male role model, and we wonder why they feel unmanly. The destruction of the traditional family unit has been fucking devastating for society.

This can be rectified by going out into nature, you can't reclaim your lost youth by cutting your dick off, but you'll feel a lot less old after you've just hiked up a mountain. I have unironically seen like 60 year old men on mountain trails who have more of a youthful spark in their eye than the average 25 year old troon.

So let me get this straight - The Information Revolution and its Consequences have been a disaster for the human race?

In all seriousness, though, yeah, I get incredibly depressed whenever I see some like twelve-year-old kid at my shitty retail job being pushed around in a shopping cart because their brain's been rotted out by YouTube children's channels and their single mother doesn't want to deal with them throwing a temper tantrum because god forbid they have to put mommy's third spare Samsung smartphone down for five seconds. Doesn't matter whether or not the studies are in yet, you just know those kids are almost as fucked for life as the ones who get given hormone blockers at like six.

 

[A tree]

3 of my friends kids have now trooned. One 11, one 12 and one 14/15. Amazingly all belonging to right on TRA types. What are the odds that it's those parents kids all finding their true selves like this?
Can they really not see that they implanted the idea and that their "accepting" spilled over and became "promoting" and "encouraging".

 

[Lei Wulong's Left Leg]

Today, I came to the rough decision to cut ties with a close friend of about a decade, maybe more, who is a pre-op tankie.
As of late, their leanings into the trans doctrine pushed by the pedophiles and groomers of their community have gotten worse, culminating now in an all-out declaration of hatred and death towards anyone right of liberal. I took offense to this, which spiraled hard into a semi-heated argument where my friend seemed adamant that they were running threat of death every time they stepped out their front door, and that everyone wanted them dead.
While I don't necessarily support the politics or ideologies they subscribe to, I valued their ability to have at least some form of take that was more refined than your average twitter user or redditor. At least, that's what I thought. And they were my friend. Someone I had confided to often, and on personal matters I had nobody else to talk to on, because they felt a similar pain to mine. Sadly, my deep-rooted suspicions that they were another victim of the incel-to-trans pipeline were more accurate than dreaded, and I now can't see myself speaking to them in the same way again.
Part of me hopes they will see past their current indoctrination, get their mental illnesses fixed and get their life on track, get away from the sources of trauma in their lives, but I think they'll just dig themselves deeper until it's too late.
It pains me to see them like this. I wish I could do something.

 

[redcent]

The ages of 7-8 is a very influential time. I went to my first fire preventing assembly at that age and came home TERRIFIED that I had to figure out a way to escape my bedroom in case of Fire. I plotted out which toy was the heaviest that I could lift myself to break my window to escape. It stayed with me so much that I remember it to this day more than 40 years later. My mother remarked that she told the school that it made her formerly logical child freak tf out and suggested a different one for the next year for that reason. Screening kids for something potentially scary like trooning is a very bad idea

This was also my experience, and something I've heard from other people (as adults). Woke up in the middle of the night a lot, checking for smoke, knowing it was never an if but a when.

When I was about 10 or 11 my Dad took me out camping out in the mountains while the firies had back burning going on. Try sleeping under a flimsy tent while you can hear the crackling of fire and the thumps of falling tree branches - eucalyptus trees- all night.

 

[Hepativore]

As many of us here have had experiences with people who were clearly mentally ill which lead to them trooning out, would therapy or mental health actually have worked? It is not that I am saying that mental help is bad, it is just that I have the impression that the troon mind virus has so infected things to the point that most therapists and psychiatrists cannot be trusted in regards to this issue.

If any of these people who were victims of troonery tried to seek mental help, would they just not be pushed down the troon path even more? The idea of troonery has become so prevalent, that it seems that it would be recommended by most mental health professionals now as a sort of cure-all to anybody who is having doubts about gender conformity and related issues with self-esteem. Maybe I am being paranoid, but just how much has gender ideology infected the mental health profession at this point?

 

[Apis mellifera]

As many of us here have had experiences with people who were clearly mentally ill which lead to them trooning out, would therapy or mental health actually have worked?

No. Psychotherapists, psychiatrists, general physicians, even fucking endocrinologists, who should, of all people, know the serious physical health consequences of turning a person's sex hormones upside-down, are of no help to someone actually suffering from GD. All they do is affirm, affirm, affirm. They tell you- "this is a real disorder, you were born like this, we don't know what causes this, and no other therapies other than gender transition can soothe this mental anguish". It is arguably even worse than the social indoctrination, because they're authority figures who are supposed to have your best interests at heart.

Gender dysphoria (and transsexuality/transgenderism) is a dissociative disorder, a body dysmorphia disorder not unlike OCD and adjacent anxiety disorders, a trauma response, an identity, all rolled into one. It is  notoriously difficult to treat because of the aforementioned; it's difficult to describe the suffering and feeling of being truly trapped and tortured by your own flesh, it's why in the 20th century the patients  were transitioned, because indulging their delusions was the only way to get them half-functional enough to work a job. It works, sometimes, treating the symptoms, for a little while, but it always resurfaces. The sad truth is, transitioning does not cure GD, and, like an anorexic patient on diet pills, they will keep chasing their method of dissociation and control, until they die, never satisfied, never healed, never experiencing a moment's rest in their tortured, sick minds.

If any of these people who were victims of troonery tried to seek mental help, would they just not be pushed down the troon path even more? The idea of troonery has become so prevalent, that it seems that it would be recommended by most mental health professionals now as a sort of cure-all to anybody who is having doubts about gender conformity and related issues with self-esteem. Maybe I am being paranoid, but just how much has gender ideology infected the mental health profession at this point?

What you suspect is true. Doctors are of no real help to anyone with GD, their instructions are to affirm and to provide access to dangerous hormones and surgeries, and they carry out their orders with efficiency and without question. Anyone you speak to about your troubles with your symptoms of this terrible disorder, or if you even mention you suspect you may be trans, they immediately affirm you. It is hard to make an informed decision when you are mentally impaired from your mental illness and desperate for some peace and quiet in your skull, and when nobody presents any alternative options.

Talk therapy is so rarely effective for such a complex disorder, anyway.