Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

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No. Psychotherapists, psychiatrists, general physicians, even fucking endocrinologists, who should, of all people, know the serious physical health consequences of turning a person's sex hormones upside-down, are of no help to someone actually suffering from GD. All they do is affirm, affirm, affirm. They tell you- "this is a real disorder, you were born like this, we don't know what causes this, and no other therapies other than gender transition can soothe this mental anguish". It is arguably even worse than the social indoctrination, because they're authority figures who are supposed to have your best interests at heart.

Gender dysphoria (and transsexuality/transgenderism) is a dissociative disorder, a body dysmorphia disorder not unlike OCD and adjacent anxiety disorders, a trauma response, an identity, all rolled into one. It is  notoriously difficult to treat because of the aforementioned; it's difficult to describe the suffering and feeling of being truly trapped and tortured by your own flesh, it's why in the 20th century the patients  were transitioned, because indulging their delusions was the only way to get them half-functional enough to work a job. It works, sometimes, treating the symptoms, for a little while, but it always resurfaces. The sad truth is, transitioning does not cure GD, and, like an anorexic patient on diet pills, they will keep chasing their method of dissociation and control, until they die, never satisfied, never healed, never experiencing a moment's rest in their tortured, sick minds.

What you suspect is true. Doctors are of no real help to anyone with GD, their instructions are to affirm and to provide access to dangerous hormones and surgeries, and they carry out their orders with efficiency and without question. Anyone you speak to about your troubles with your symptoms of this terrible disorder, or if you even mention you suspect you may be trans, they immediately affirm you. It is hard to make an informed decision when you are mentally impaired from your mental illness and desperate for some peace and quiet in your skull, and when nobody presents any alternative options.

Talk therapy is so rarely effective for such a complex disorder, anyway.
With many of these examples that we have witnessed in this thread, the people who bought tickets to the Troon train did not actually have true "gender dysphoria" but other mental disorders that either masqueraded as GD or trooned out of escapism. True GD is extremely rare. These people are usually transtrenders, or people who have guzzled the troonshine being peddled by the rampant tranny evangelists who are pushing the phenomenon everywhere.

This is why the current massive wave of people who identity as "trans" or are being pushed into it I think could have been helped if they got a proper diagnosis and requisite treatment for their underlying disorders instead of labelling them all with the "trans" stamp and then sending these people off to wreck their endocrine systems and getting their genitourinary systems surgically torn apart in an ultimately futile pursuit.
 
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No. Psychotherapists, psychiatrists, general physicians, even fucking endocrinologists, who should, of all people, know the serious physical health consequences of turning a person's sex hormones upside-down, are of no help to someone actually suffering from GD. All they do is affirm, affirm, affirm. They tell you- "this is a real disorder, you were born like this, we don't know what causes this, and no other therapies other than gender transition can soothe this mental anguish". It is arguably even worse than the social indoctrination, because they're authority figures who are supposed to have your best interests at heart.

Gender dysphoria (and transsexuality/transgenderism) is a dissociative disorder, a body dysmorphia disorder not unlike OCD and adjacent anxiety disorders, a trauma response, an identity, all rolled into one. It is  notoriously difficult to treat because of the aforementioned; it's difficult to describe the suffering and feeling of being truly trapped and tortured by your own flesh, it's why in the 20th century the patients  were transitioned, because indulging their delusions was the only way to get them half-functional enough to work a job. It works, sometimes, treating the symptoms, for a little while, but it always resurfaces. The sad truth is, transitioning does not cure GD, and, like an anorexic patient on diet pills, they will keep chasing their method of dissociation and control, until they die, never satisfied, never healed, never experiencing a moment's rest in their tortured, sick minds.

What you suspect is true. Doctors are of no real help to anyone with GD, their instructions are to affirm and to provide access to dangerous hormones and surgeries, and they carry out their orders with efficiency and without question. Anyone you speak to about your troubles with your symptoms of this terrible disorder, or if you even mention you suspect you may be trans, they immediately affirm you. It is hard to make an informed decision when you are mentally impaired from your mental illness and desperate for some peace and quiet in your skull, and when nobody presents any alternative options.

We're talking mostly about the usa, who's healthcare system is so bad doctors prescribe marijuana without a second thought (and it baffles me still why over there the doctors don't give a crap, that kind of shit wouldn't fly over here) . And in what would now be a stressed system after a global epidemic? Yeah, it's bound to screw up. It was doomed from the start, add lgbt brow beating into mix, you're screwed.



Talk therapy is so rarely effective for such a complex disorder, anyway.
Then what would be?

There may very well be a third option out there, who knows?
 
With many of these examples that we have witnessed in this thread, the people who bought tickets to the Troon train did not actually have true "gender dysphoria" but other mental disorders that either masqueraded as GD or trooned out of escapism. True GD is extremely rare.
Maybe, maybe not. With how common eating disorders and other self-destructive disorders are, I would not be shocked if the numbers for 'true GD' were higher than anticipated. Bear in mind, I was just a regular woman with a clinical history of OCD and abuse, and plenty of people are abused sexually, physically, emotionally, every minute of everyday. It's a fucked up trauma response and seems to usually be a reaction to internalised sexism/gender roles and homophobia, sexism and homophobia are pretty much just facts of life. The people we've seen without "true GD" seen to be GNC autists, terminally online fetishistic incels/femcels, and grooming victims, but I'm not entirely convinced that someone can not spontaneously develop GD after being exposed to trans messaging. To make an easy comparison, if you have OCD, it's pretty easily to accidentally pick up new anxieties and body dysmorphic traits, think about all of the young women who develop anorexia after comparing themselves to hungry skeleton fashion models, and having friends who are anorexic. Transsexuality has been observed to function like a social contagion, and it might be reasonable to suspect the actual disorder might be catching too. Couple this with the fact that being trans gets entangled with their identity, and it seems like a spreadable disorder that would be hard to treat. Remember, it is impossible to get better if you identify as a victim, and  every trans person I've ever met considers themselves a victim- a victim of circumstance, of mental illness, of transphobia, and so on.


We're talking mostly about the usa, who's healthcare system is so bad doctors prescribe marijuana without a second thought (and it baffles me still why over there the doctors don't give a crap, that kind of shit wouldn't fly over here) . And in what would now be a stressed system after a global epidemic? Yeah, it's bound to screw up. It was doomed from the start, add lgbt brow beating into mix, you're screwed.
Yes, I imagine the doctors are doing the best they can, and they're under enormous social pressure from their employers and trans activists to conform with the new treatment protocol, so I can't blame them entirely. After all, if you espouse even the slightest hint of being gender critical, you can be fired and have your name blacklisted from every employer. Still, it is frustrating having dangerous body modifications being used as first-line treatment for people arguably too mentally ill to even consent to such drugs and procedures.


Then what would be?

There may very well be a third option out there, who knows?
I can speak on this, if you want. Just to establish some credibility, in case you haven't picked up on what I've been putting down, or read my past posts in this thread, I am a woman who formerly had clinically-significant symptoms of GD for many, many years, and later detransitioned when I realised the drugs weren't helping, that the side-effects were too dangerous, and that, carrying on like this, I would never,  ever be happy. The mental disorder never quiets, not even when you try to dissociate from it with hormones, drugs, and alcohol.

I got most of these strategies from researching treatments for other anxiety disorders (BDD and the often comorbid anorexia/bulimia, and standard OCD), traumatic disorders (such as PTSD), and dissociation/derealisation disorders. Additional potential strategies could probably be found by reading literature about the previously mentioned. The main issue is it takes a lot of courage to face your past traumas, and you have to actually  want to change, most people with GD are too fucked in the head to try. It's the nature of the beast, honestly.

Firstly, I treated it like OCD. I removed the term "gender dysphoria" from my vocabulary, as this only reinforces and feeds the anxiety, and I just tried to analyse  what I was feeling, why the sight of my own body would trouble me so. I would sit with myself and try to think back to the very first time I'd ever felt this way, what triggered this anxiety in me. For example, in the case of my breasts and hips, it was due to be sexualised at around the age of 10 by vile old men, and as an autistic girl, my reaction was to see the offending anatomy as the reasoning for my exposure to objectification and sexism, and to loathe it and desire to remove it. Every other exposure to sexist and homophobic behaviour served to reinforce this belief in me, before I even consciously realised it. After figuring out what events caused a certain aspect of GD, one could try to reassure themselves that they're safe, they're an adult who doesn't have to dignify sexism and homophobia with a response, and attempt to integrate the traumatic experiences and move past them. When GD thoughts would emerge, I would observe them, but not indulge them, because it can trigger an anxious spiral into a mental health episode. All of this is easier said than done, of course, and I seriously struggled with the final step. It is hard to change the profoundly mentally ill.

I treated it like a dissociative disorder, spending time with myself in nature, taking stock of my surroundings, the sky, the wind, the grass, the birds, my own breathing, and finding myself to be a part of all of it. This helped a little. I did focus-consuming exercise in the form of stand-up paddleboarding and weightlifting, in an attempt to force myself to see my body as only a useful tool that I feel deeply connected with, rather than a sex object and evidence of my inferiority, I tried to ignore every terrible lie people have told me about my body and my sex. This gave me moderate success, but the GD still lurked and resurfaced frequently.

During this time, I meditated frequently, to try to calm my anxieties. It helped only a little with the GD.

I'd done research on how psychedelics were being used to treat traumatic disorders that refused to budge, especially in victims of sexual abuse and war veterans. Your intentions, setting, and actions on these substances are critical, and I really do hesitate to recommend them to anybody. For better or for worse, a substance such as LSD makes your pysche incredibly malleable, so you could use it to radically alter your way of thinking and move past the trauma that is causing the GD, abandon the identity, or accidentally give yourself new trauma by having a bad trip. I've known trans people who have taken literally hundreds of doses of LSD and never changed, because the drug is what you make of it. In my case, I meditated, prayed to whatever deity is out there for guidance and safety, begged it to help me finally feel comfortable in my body and no longer have GD, and spent the day painting in nature processing my trauma. I really think my past efforts to find the causes of my GD, redefine my body's purpose and dismiss my experiences with homophobia and sexism as the opinions of assholes, and just observe my anxious thoughts without chasing after them, helped significantly. On this substance, I was able to see every past event that lead to my current situation, and I was able to move past the vast majority of them. I think about it like psychotherapy as we all hoped it would be, since the substance allowed me to take stock of all of my past bad experiences without fear, understand them, and put them away.

I do not believe I would have recovered without being able to radically alter my psyche with LSD, because of how complex and deeply-rooted GD is. As dangerous as it can be if you are not in a good and prepared mental state, if you do not have experience with anxiety de-escalation, if you are not in a safe place physically (a place in nature on a beautiful, sunny Spring day seems best), it seems to be an invaluable tool for someone who can not otherwise recover from a traumatic mental disorder. I would rather take a drug once that actually helps, rather than take hormones for the rest of my life, anyway. My best advice to anyone would be to treat the "you" that will be on LSD like a very young and fragile child, have access to paints and drawing implements, fresh fruits and other foods you like, a good, comforting, and calm environment with access to nature, and knowledge in how to calm and comfort a small child. At risk of waxing religious, it really does feel like starting life over again.

TL;DR: If done in the right environment, with care and preparation, and with intentions in mind, psychedelics could present a better treatment option.
 
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@Apis mellifera (quote ain't working) don't mind me. It's been one of those days. Things like that though could use some looking into. I'm leery about lsd but what do I know? Options like that and even more options should be available but the world is cucked. Nobody wants to experiment, just deal drugs to kids as some sacrifice to a raindow flag god.


That, and I'm pissy at the world in general. There's this growing cult and everyone else gets the blame. Feminists get the blame, therefore all women get the blame, never mind who was in feminism for what. Pharmaceutical companies get the blame even if they're busy selling antibiotics. Gps get the blame even if their hands are tied. Churches get the blame for not doing enough even though media's got them by the balls for "intolerance". I'm just sick of it and wish consequences finally go to the people who are to blame: lgbt. Not like violence or anything. I just wish the pride group would learn some shame. This or worse things will go on until they can finally step up and admit they should put up with phobias going their way like the rest of us do.
 
Things like that though could use some looking into. I'm leery about lsd but what do I know? Options like that and even more options should be available but the world is cucked. Nobody wants to experiment, just deal drugs to kids as some sacrifice to a raindow flag god.
In regards to wanting the options available through legitimate means, you'll be pleased to note that we are in a renaissance of psychedelic research, there's been research on MDMA, psilocybin, LSD, ketamine, and mescaline, among others I'm probably forgetting right now. It's fringe and very experimental right now, but there is reason for optimism. One day, definitely not tomorrow, probably not even a decade from now, we might be using these substances to help people process their trauma and let go of self-destructive, dissociative behaviours, gender transition included. You can, of course, find plenty studies online, but if you'd like something a bit more personable that you can watch on your night in, there's a nice mini-series on Netflix that discusses the history, the effects of the drugs, and potential psychiatric applications. It's really exciting stuff.

You are totally right to be wary of psychedelics though, I definitely have a hard divide in my life and my memory of "before LSD" and "after LSD", and even though it wasn't a negative experience in the slightest, I'm not keen on trying it again any time soon. Everyone's experiences with the drug will be different, of course, but it really changes a person's perspective on things, in a way that's very difficult to fully put into words. I can talk about how it made me able to see my past clearly in a way that wasn't scary or painful, I can talk about how it helped me reconnect with my body, I could rave about how  beautiful it made the natural world seem, with layers of order in the chaos, the beautiful growth patterns in mint leaves, seashells, and the grain of wood, I could talk about how it gave me an unshakeable belief in a higher power, but none of that really captures what it's actually like for a person to take it. All these months later, and it could just be my lifelong depression easing, but colours still seem brighter, more beautiful. It fundamentally alters who you are as a person, and I don't think everyone is ready to experience that. In therapy spaces, with guidance and support, maybe more people could, but I worry for the safety of someone like me just trying it alone, and having a negative "life-altering experience".


That, and I'm pissy at the world in general. There's this growing cult and everyone else gets the blame. Feminists get the blame, therefore all women get the blame, never mind who was in feminism for what. Pharmaceutical companies get the blame even if they're busy selling antibiotics. Gps get the blame even if their hands are tied. Churches get the blame for not doing enough even though media's got them by the balls for "intolerance". I'm just sick of it and wish consequences finally go to the people who are to blame: lgbt. Not like violence or anything. I just wish the pride group would learn some shame. This or worse things will go on until they can finally step up and admit they should put up with phobias going their way like the rest of us do.
I hear you. These are troubling times we're living in. On some level, all of the groups mentioned are "to blame". I was a good little feminist once, I believed that TIMs were truly just poor, mentally ill, effeminate gay boys who deserved go be treated with respect and tolerance, I didn't know about the dark underbelly of autogynephilia, and I knew what it was like being GNC and being punished for it, so I supported the Trans Rights cause. Many oldschool radfems saw them for what they were, of course, but not all feminists are innocent of falling for the appealing message of tolerance of unusual individuals. It is understandable for people to be suspicious of pharmaceutical companies, too, everyone remembers what happened in the US with Purdue Pharma and opioids, of course. They are companies who want to make money, at the end of the day. The physicians, some of their actions are understandable, like you said, their hands are tied, but the butchers are evil like none other. One could even blame the unholy trinity of social media, Tumblr, Twitter, and Tiktok, for proliferating it.

The most frustrating of the people pushing this "treatment" are the trans rights activists, as you said, who spout the doctrine- "trans women are women, you are born trans, the only option for GD is transitioning" with such vigor, and shut down any other research into possible treatments, any acknowledgement of the fundamental differences between male and female bodies, any mention of the grooming that goes on in the community, and any mention of the grim realities of hormones and surgeries. The information control is astonishing.

At the end of the day, we have to learn how to just take care of our own, do our best to help the vulnerable, and ignore their antics, except to laugh at them in private. There's not much more we can do, with how powerful of a political presence the TRAs are.
 
In regards to the talk of doctors and the medical industry in America's attitude towards troonism, It's a really fucked up cocktail of genuine sympathy, fear of social consequence, and systematic inertia that things are how they are. There are straight bastard doctors who believe in the gender nonsense and hand prescriptions out like candy, and there are the one's who will tell the patient whatever they want to hear in an effort to get their insurance money (this is also a contributing factor in the opioid epidemic, because federal law mandates that Controlled Substance medications can't be refilled, so every time you want more, you have to go into the doctors office, book and pay for an appointment, and be in there with him for 5 minutes while he writes/electronically sends over a new prescription, it's the perfect grift.) But a lot of doctors, and indeed a lot of medical professionals, don't rest easy with this stuff.

A lot of these troons come to actual prescribing doctors on orders of a psychologist, which means someone with actual medical knowledge and training has determined that the patient "needs" this medication. The doctor has the legal right to challenge this prescription if they think its erroneous, but the process for actually hashing out a solution involves A. pissing off a patient who has been told they are getting their medication, B. calling into question the decision of a colleague, and C. either getting into a shouting match with said colleague or going through an overly bureaucratic and autistic process to get a medication changed. Even doctors who are of generally the same opinion about this garbage as us on the farms have their hands tied by public opinion and bureaucratic inertia, and this goes all the way down to the pharmacists at the pharmacies who dispense these drugs.

The pharmacists have even less "incentive" to contest the choice, even though they also have the legal right to, because most pharmacies stock Hormones in all different methods of delivery already, due to many older people being on the exact same pills/injections for Low T or menopause or whatever ails them, so if a pharmacist were to challenge a troon's prescription, not only would they have to answer to the prescriber, they would have to answer to the troon/troon's parents, who know damn well that they have the medication, and at that point all signs in their head point towards "this pharmacist is prejudiced" and not "this pharmacist is trying to help me."

It also doesn't help that most doctors are trained in the more physical medical sciences, and any training they do get towards mental disorders is mostly how a given drugs interacts with the brain to help it, and the basics of how the disorder manifests and how to identify it, which as we know, is not the same can of worms as a physical ailment. A doctor can see a broken arm, and know by how it looks that it's a broken arm, not so with a mental disorder. Depression is a symptom of something else 9 times out of 10, the same symptoms manifesting in two different people could be from entirely different disorders, they have to trust the psychologists/therapists to have made the right call, because they don't know most of the time. They see a clearly fucked up in the head person who has gone to seek help, and not knowing the details of how much of a cancerous social contagion troonism is, or what in this specific patient's life made them come to this conclusion, they are going out on faith that the person more qualified than them has decided that this therapy will help this person.

Doctors are usually bastards who don't know their asshole from their thumb, but in this case they're not solely to blame, the social contagion and psychological establishment pushing people down this path to the exclusion of any other solution is much more culpable.
 
In regards to wanting the options available through legitimate means, you'll be pleased to note that we are in a renaissance of psychedelic research, there's been research on MDMA, psilocybin, LSD, ketamine, and mescaline, among others I'm probably forgetting right now. It's fringe and very experimental right now, but there is reason for optimism. One day, definitely not tomorrow, probably not even a decade from now, we might be using these substances to help people process their trauma and let go of self-destructive, dissociative behaviours, gender transition included. You can, of course, find plenty studies online, but if you'd like something a bit more personable that you can watch on your night in, there's a nice mini-series on Netflix that discusses the history, the effects of the drugs, and potential psychiatric applications. It's really exciting stuff.

You are totally right to be wary of psychedelics though, I definitely have a hard divide in my life and my memory of "before LSD" and "after LSD", and even though it wasn't a negative experience in the slightest, I'm not keen on trying it again any time soon. Everyone's experiences with the drug will be different, of course, but it really changes a person's perspective on things, in a way that's very difficult to fully put into words. I can talk about how it made me able to see my past clearly in a way that wasn't scary or painful, I can talk about how it helped me reconnect with my body, I could rave about how  beautiful it made the natural world seem, with layers of order in the chaos, the beautiful growth patterns in mint leaves, seashells, and the grain of wood, I could talk about how it gave me an unshakeable belief in a higher power, but none of that really captures what it's actually like for a person to take it. All these months later, and it could just be my lifelong depression easing, but colours still seem brighter, more beautiful. It fundamentally alters who you are as a person, and I don't think everyone is ready to experience that. In therapy spaces, with guidance and support, maybe more people could, but I worry for the safety of someone like me just trying it alone, and having a negative "life-altering experience".
look, it's very nice you had a positive experience and it is (for once) an alternative to lopping your breasts off, but mind altering chemicals can upset your brain chemistry, and it can be as detrimental as messing with your hormones. There are some people (some whom I know) who've had their brain chemistry messed up with and their experience was very, very negative. It is an option, but keep that in mind

But it could/should be looked into

I hear you. These are troubling times we're living in. On some level, all of the groups mentioned are "to blame". I was a good little feminist once, I believed that TIMs were truly just poor, mentally ill, effeminate gay boys who deserved go be treated with respect and tolerance, I didn't know about the dark underbelly of autogynephilia, and I knew what it was like being GNC and being punished for it, so I supported the Trans Rights cause. Many oldschool radfems saw them for what they were, of course, but not all feminists are innocent of falling for the appealing message of tolerance of unusual individuals. It is understandable for people to be suspicious of pharmaceutical companies, too, everyone remembers what happened in the US with Purdue Pharma and opioids, of course.
I don't

It's not that I doubt it happened. I'm just beyond caring when I need pharmaceuticals to survive. It's a fact of life we all will at some point.

They are companies who want to make money, at the end of the day. The physicians, some of their actions are understandable, like you said, their hands are tied, but the butchers are evil like none other. One could even blame the unholy trinity of social media, Tumblr, Twitter, and Tiktok, for proliferating it.

The most frustrating of the people pushing this "treatment" are the trans rights activists, as you said, who spout the doctrine- "trans women are women, you are born trans, the only option for GD is transitioning" with such vigor, and shut down any other research into possible treatments, any acknowledgement of the fundamental differences between male and female bodies, any mention of the grooming that goes on in the community, and any mention of the grim realities of hormones and surgeries. The information control is astonishing.
it's been like that since the 90s.


At the end of the day, we have to learn how to just take care of our own, do our best to help the vulnerable, and ignore their antics, except to laugh at them in private. There's not much more we can do, with how powerful of a political presence the TRAs are.
touché
 
Can't directly quote here, but...
The people we've seen without "true GD" seen to be GNC autists, terminally online fetishistic incels/femcels, and grooming victims, but I'm not entirely convinced that someone can not spontaneously develop GD after being exposed to trans messaging. To make an easy comparison, if you have OCD, it's pretty easily to accidentally pick up new anxieties and body dysmorphic traits, think about all of the young women who develop anorexia after comparing themselves to hungry skeleton fashion models, and having friends who are anorexic. Transsexuality has been observed to function like a social contagion, and it might be reasonable to suspect the actual disorder might be catching too. Couple this with the fact that being trans gets entangled with their identity, and it seems like a spreadable disorder that would be hard to treat.
I would absolutely not be shocked if this were the case, since not only is trans messaging completely obsessed with the idea of gender as a social category, their current mythos revolves around this "opt-in" idea of it, where one actively sorts themselves into a gender category based on how they feel.

But in reality, that's not how it works for the majority of people outside of the trans-related social sphere. Most "cis" people aren't that way because they've decided that their identity aligns with sex they've been "assigned" and they conform exactly (or even mostly) to a their societal gender role, they just don't have an issue with it. (Or at least not one big enough to pursue medication and surgery over it.)

I can definitely see how people who hung around TRA circles long enough would become convinced that there's something wrong with them for having completely normal attitudes about gender.
 
So it happened again.

A guy I know from Sweden has decided to troon out. Or rather. go enby so idk if that's trooning. But he's been in contact with a "gender clinic" which has agreed to put him on hormones so he can grow tits.

He called it "titty skittles" which is one of the most horrific things I've heard. He has always been a little...odd. Like he's bit of a hedonist; didn't see much use in having savings so he spends all his money on sex toys, tattoos, cooking equipment (he's a line cook, and we sort of bonded over cooking), and goth girl shit. He keeps talking about how he wants a "big titty goth dommy mommy" and I just tune out from it because it's retarded.

He has always had a love for goth shit but recently he began dressing in the style of Mori girls while ruining it with thigh-high leather platform boots. He told me how he'd like someone to step on him with those. He had a boyfriend but said boyfriend left him when he enby'd out.

If there is any sense in his brain, it's that he's aware that the LGBT community is a toxic wasteland with an irrational hatred for bis and gay guys and finds it very stupid. Apparently not stupid enough because he's gender-confused and decided that growing boobs would fix his problems. Gotta love the Scandinavian healthcare system.

Another person I lost was not someone I was really close to. If anything I found him extremely annoying. He's your typical zoomer consumer who's a fan of typical mainstream shit like BNHA, Pokemon, Persona, and Undertale. He has this autistic habit of using actual character names as his nickname, exclusively female characters.

He once asked me to call him by the name of that blonde pigtailed girl from BNHA and I told him to stop being silly.

Didn't like me after that.

Recently he announced that he goes under ALL the pronouns and he's been talking about going on hormones until he eventually did it. The weird thing is that he's not dressing any differently. He's just taking hormones to grow tits and it makes him look like a girl deciding to troon out. It's weird

These people have an uncomfortable obsession with tits.
 
It also doesn't help that most doctors are trained in the more physical medical sciences, and any training they do get towards mental disorders is mostly how a given drugs interacts with the brain to help it, and the basics of how the disorder manifests and how to identify it, which as we know, is not the same can of worms as a physical ailment.
The issue is that the west, sees these as distinct branches of science. (Un)fortunately, the line in the real world is much more blurry and that physical and mental issues can often overlap each other.
They are trying to kill freedom of speech because it protects what may be an unpopular, but correct conclusion, but the same happened to Gallelio who was executed for proposing the heliocentric world; he is vindicated by history.
These people have an uncomfortable obsession with tits.
I was going to say at least it wasn't feet, but then that's the findom crowd, who I have even less respect for than troons.
You are totally right to be wary of psychedelics though, I definitely have a hard divide in my life and my memory of "before LSD" and "after LSD", [...] In therapy spaces, with guidance and support, maybe more people could, but I worry for the safety of someone like me just trying it alone, and having a negative "life-altering experience".
There is so much about cognition (much less that of humans) that is still poorly understood it is impossible to accurately predict the effects of most of these drugs. I've seen people who did all the drugs and ended up fine versus some who were permanently broken with minor amounts of LSD. Some people are just more predisposed to gazing into their heart of darkness than others.

One my cousins (in Asia) who I'm a good friend of tried trooning out this year. She got slapped down so hard it wasn't even funny. Like both her parents put aside their frothing hatred (we're talking stabbing each other with knives tier) and divorce fight so that her father could beat her until she stopped. Which is quite surprising as the mother wore the pants on that relationship lol. I'm pretty sure she got the ideology from being a diehard Disney fan since that's the only "western" thing she gets exposed to. That and ripped jeans (which are an abomination amongst man).
 
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Once I posted about an ex-work friend who went enby and how I was sure she was gonna troon out.
TLDR: Used to be pretty smart and fun to hang out with, then she moved places and switched majors to the most sjw, tranny enabling profession of them all - psychology.
First she came out as bi, not surprised since everyone always thought she was a lesbian. Good for her. Then the enby bullshit started. First a couple of posts implying she's enby, then the she/they pronouns in bio, they/them and today I checked, it's he/they. Hoping she doesn't permanently ruin her body by going on T but it's probably the next step. Ironically she's a classic TiF "softboi" type we see here, with lots of girly hobbies, does not pass as a man at all. RIP G., the TQ movement took another victim.
 
He keeps talking about how he wants a "big titty goth dommy mommy" and I just tune out from it because it's retarded. He told me how he'd like someone to step on him with those.
I will never understand why people with an otherwise decent life (or at least job and skills + boyfriend) make coom their entire existence and then proceed to burn it all down. Good for the boyfriend for dipping out, this is going nowhere good. What a dumbass.
 
I will never understand why people with an otherwise decent life (or at least job and skills + boyfriend) make coom their entire existence and then proceed to burn it all down. Good for the boyfriend for dipping out, this is going nowhere good. What a dumbass.
Yeah I kinda feel as if the boyfriend got bamboozled.
He wanted a dude, not a...whatever species of alien hell creatures, enbies are.

I worry that it might fuck over his employment when deciding to fuck up his hormones because I just get weirdly optimistic about the lives of people I know but he brought it on himself.

I guess in hindsight of his open degeneracy (he once told me a story of how his brother found one of his sex toys just randomly laying on the floor alongside some of his "big titty goth crossdressing stockings" because he was too much of a slob to clean up), this was bound to happen.

I'll blow a casket if he starts rambling on about sapphic this, sapphic that like another troon I used to know. That tranny was a self-admitted autist, gained an obsession with all things feminine, donned the dreaded anime girl pfp on social media, and decided to dabble in poly shit because for some fucking reason, the LGBT is rife with poly fuckers.
 
I almost think that they should pass a law making it against the law for someone who has autism to become transgender just because people who have autism are just so easily taken advantage of. Even after 18 years old people with autism are still dumb as hell. So it should be against the law for people younger than 18 and against the law forever for people who are diagnosed with autism. You are basically cheating if you try to trick someone with autism to become transgender because people with autism are too gullible. I remember one time a Indian family from India immigrated to USA California and the Indian son had autism and the school tried to make him transgender so the Indian family fled the USA and went back to India in fear.
 
The issue is that the west, sees these as distinct branches of science. (Un)fortunately, the line in the real world is much more blurry and that physical and mental issues can often overlap each other.
In ancient times Physicians were seperate from Surgeons, as in a surgeon knew how to cut open the body to achieve a goal, but not why, while the Hippocratic oath forbade a physician from doing surgery. The only reason physics and chemistry are not once discipline yet is because we haven't nailed down a theory that connects them together coherently. Science is ever evolving, and eventually we will get to a better point than we're at now, but it's a sad truth that it will take a lot of broken people and broken lives to get there.
I'll blow a casket if he starts rambling on about sapphic this, sapphic that like another troon I used to know.
I truly hope Sappho is too busy in the afterlife getting mad pussy and writing sick ass poetry to see what her name is associated with nowadays, good God.
 
I just want to get this off my chest. A good friend of mine decided to troon out a couple of years ago. For the sake of the story I'll call him "John". We'd known each other since we were in school. He was a decent guy, but pretty weird and definitely on some end of some spectrum. Shitty family background. Carried some weight. Spent a lot of time online. Awkward type. Didn't get on well with normals. He was always working on some project, and would talk your ear off about tech. Lighthearted, good company, fun to be around. He's impulsive and spontaneous, which is good when you're hanging out and goofing off, but bad when you have to make responsible life decisions.

For a long time I had known that he'd fucked around with other guys, which i never had a problem with. As long as they're consenting and they're of legal age then I don't have a problem with it. Then out of the blue one day he announces he is no longer "John" but "Jane" this was shocking to me and my circle of friends as John was always a pretty bloke-y bloke. Never expressed any interest in "girly" things and never talked to me or anyone else (that I know of) about being dissatisfied with being a man.

Before i know it he had sold almost everything he owned and piled everything else into the back of a 2004 Toyota Corolla and decided to fuck off and live some fairy-tale existence in a "Unicorn Ranch" style sharehouse on the other side of the country. Me and my friends told him repeatedly, at length, that this was a retarded idea as he had no savings, no job and no plan on what he was going to do with himself once he was there. He responded by cutting contact with me and most of our circle of friends.

Unsurprisingly things went to shit almost immediately afterwards. John got kicked out of the house and started living in his car. The last that i heard from him was that he had to sell the car and is now living on the street. I sincerely think that one day soon I will get the news that he's gotten himself killed or an hero'd.

I legitimately think that some (small) percentage of people are "born in the wrong body" or whatever, but John wasn't one of them. He was groomed by predators online and brainwashed into thinking that turning himself into a "cute girl" would magically fix all of his life problems. If he had of said that he was cutting himself up with a razor blade or joining the church of Scientology nobody would have called us bigots or batted an eyelid for trying to help him. But because he decided to declare himself trans his decision making is beyond reproach. Clearly he must be of a sound mind. We're shitheads for questioning him. He's heckin valid and living his best life. Even if he's fucking sleeping on the street and doing fuck knows what to keep himself alive.

We fucked up when we let this happen to him. We fucked up when we let him leave. There were a lot of people in his life that should have stepped in and stopped this before it ever go to this point, but no one did. I failed. I'm full of rage and bile and I miss him deeply.
 
If he had of said that he was cutting himself up with a razor blade or joining the church of Scientology nobody would have called us bigots or batted an eyelid for trying to help him. But because he decided to declare himself trans his decision making is beyond reproach. Clearly he must be of a sound mind. We're shitheads for questioning him. He's heckin valid and living his best life. Even if he's fucking sleeping on the street and doing fuck knows what to keep himself alive.

We fucked up when we let this happen to him. We fucked up when we let him leave. There were a lot of people in his life that should have stepped in and stopped this before it ever go to this point, but no one did. I failed. I'm full of rage and bile and I miss him deeply.
I'm so sorry. This is very well-said: once he picked, or had his Internet "friends" pick, the label of "trans," any other suggestions on how to feel better, how to get more stable, become heresy conversion therapy.
 
As many of us here have had experiences with people who were clearly mentally ill which lead to them trooning out, would therapy or mental health actually have worked?
It is 2022. Any and every mental health professional they talk to will ENCOURAGE them trooning out.
There is no help and no professional will try to treat their illness because with that comes the real risk that Antifa will come to their house and burn it down.

If I were a doctor and my options were:
* sure, whatever, approve the procedure/medication. Just to get the troon out of my office.
* challenge it and then have an angry mob threatening my family and destroying my life
I know which door I would pick.
 
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"She goes by Jessica now actually." Fuck you too
The tone the person says that it is an accurate detector of idiocy. If it is an "akshully" thing, better dump it.

Somewhat ironically, you're going to have to do exactly what gay kids did in the 90s.
Not to PL, but it has been "fun" watching the "kicked out of my parents home" reasons change along the better part of 2 decades. And the solution has always been the same. LIE, lie until you can fuck off.
 
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