I hate pro-bughive channels

[Grundlejungle]

Bicyclists or road roaches as I call them, are absolute fucking scourge.
I remember 20 years ago my uncle telling me about all the different bicyclists he has maced or beaten up because they've either scratched his car or nearly ran him over. He would take their bikes too when he was done, and then sell them for beer money. I miss that crazy bastard and we need more people like him.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

 

[soulgains]

I get pretty fucking ass-mad when I come across supposed experts who reeeeee about how automobiles need to die or that suburban/rural houses are inefficient or whatever.

The automobile and motorcycle have been two of the most important, if not the most important, inventions that mankind has ever fucking made. Ever since reliable means of transporting your ass via a fucking internal combustion engine, that you fucking own, has man ever been more free.

A few years back, I was sitting at work and decided to check my vacation time. Noticed I had a lot more than I thought. Decided to say ‘fuck it’ and rode across the western US on a motorcycle for a week. I saw more shit in an entire week than 99.9% of human beings who ever lived ever saw in their lives. I can leave my house right-fucking-now and drive two states over, because who the fuck can stop me?

I don’t have to worry about a bus being on time. I don’t have to worry about niggers asking me for change on the light rail. I don’t have to die from heat stroke beating feet in the summer.

Take more road trips. Fuck the high gas prices. Fuck the faggots who say you shouldn’t own a car and should have to fucking have a pedophile crackhead drive you around in his Uber. Fuck the people who say it is a waste of time. Fucking grab the keys, pick a direction, and just fucking go. Be free, retards.

That's why my old man always said, the 3 most important things in this life are God, guns, and cars. These bugmen despise cars because they are the ultimate expression of freedom and personal liberty, and a symbol of White American ingenuity. They are literally everything these faggots hate about our country.

 

[Chromeo]

rate me autistic but I thought this thread was about channels that work with beehives.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

rate me autistic but I thought this thread was about channels that work with beehives.

beehives are cool and so is their honey, though i have a terrible phobia of bees in general

 

[Mukhrani]

The biggest missing puzzle piece that these people seem to forget is the necessity for a low-crime, high-trust society for people with families to ever even consider urban living. It’s something that can’t be solved with bike lanes, and something that actual US urbanites ideologically oppose and actively vote against at every conceivable opportunity

This is also why there is local pushback to expanding public transit in a lot of small rural/exurb towns. In principle, people out in the boonies would like the idea of being able to hop on a local train and move one town down, or go to the city to catch a flight or see a show/game. But that's 100% not worth it because the traffic is two-way - it also means that city nignogs can now flood your small town and commute to work (at best) or shit up your town with crime and drugs while burdening local charitable/welfare organizations. The same goes for the H1B scourge, who will create a market for ugly cookiecutter townhouses that start to fill up the local fields and transform your bucolic hamlet into a sprawling mini-hive. Then everything that you hate about the city culturally comes to your little sanctuary.

As much as China is a shitshow, one of the things that they do right is allow political leaders in local cities to control who can move in and at what rate - the idea of earning/applying for 'citizenship' on a granular level. This idea in Europe and America that it should just be a free-for-all when it comes to internal mass migration has utterly destroyed so many formerly beautiful, functional cities and is now infecting the suburbs as well.

 

[Cavalier Cipolla]

One response to the left-vs-right arguments over urban planning:

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The structure of cities is not inherently political, but total car-dependency is ultimately unsustainable no matter what angle you slice it. A car should be one of many tools for mobility, not just the only one- people should be able to use a car (even rented) to move furniture and bulk purchases around, but they should also be able to take a fast and reliable train/interurban to the next town over if they need to do so- which is how most Americans got around before cars became dominant across the continent.

The real question is whether the solution is RETVRN or living in a bug hive, as pushed by the respective sides. For me, why not just have more Garden cities? The town planners of the time seemed to have had it down before everyone got bitten by the car bug.

Personally I don't like NJB as he's endless preachy about how the Netherlands are so much better and craps on anything North America, while never really offering any sort of solution to the issue. It comes off as sanctimoniously monotonous, same with the 'kill all lawns' folks.


I think 'stroad' is a nice and clear term that pinpoints some of the more car-dependent suburban commercial strips in North America- it's referring to an overgrown street (local, lots of entrances and exits onto it), but which also attempts to function as a 'road' (intended for moving between points efficiently)- but which ends up doing neither well.

Good left urbanism can also include commieblocks, which are a pretty good mass housing solution, but the problem is that outside of former East Germany and possibly Slovenia and Croatia, they often aren't maintained properly. You can have as many green spaces and parks as you want, but if there is no maintenance, the hood will inevitably end up looking like Pripyat but with no vandalism.

In my hood we have a few Hruščovka type of commieblocks, but they had their outsides renovated recently. On first glance you'd almost think that they're some of those newer lower rise apartment blocks and not 1960s commieblocks. Ofc once you do come closer there are some obvious signs that it is an older building. But it certainly looks better than commieblocks you find in post Soviet countries.

Oh, and at least here, commieblocks from at least the mid 60s are built with earthquake resistance in mind. IIRC they have to be built to withstand magnitude 7 earthquakes. If I am not mistaken, the 80s one can withstand magnitude 8 earthquakes.

TL;DR Commieblocks might not be pretty, but if maintained properly they ain't that ugly either! And they will handle earthquakes better than pretty looking historical buildings! The hoods themselves can look decent too, so long as there's enough green spaces and parks around that are, again, maintained properly.

 

[Slightly Apathetic Mario]

As much as China is a shitshow, one of the things that they do right is allow political leaders in local cities to control who can move in and at what rate - the idea of earning/applying for 'citizenship' on a granular level. This idea in Europe and America that it should just be a free-for-all when it comes to internal mass migration has utterly destroyed so many formerly beautiful, functional cities and is now infecting the suburbs as well.

To be honest social mobility is needed to a degree, without it you just end up with neo-serfdom ("no you can't move out and be independent because the (((Local Leader))) said so"), and considering china will lockdown whole cities because 1 guy gets the cough and millions suffer, I rather take more social mobility and the like than china's bullshit.

 

[NevskyProspekt]

Several of the more extreme pro-density types don't seem to understand that cars are still extremely common in Europe, both west and east. Even most western European families own at least one car. Of course, this cuts both ways. You can have more reasonably compact cities without actively trying to punish motorists and widespread car/home (of all housing types) ownership but the vast majority of nuance has been lost due to the autistic whinging of either side. I wish garden cities took off because they seem like a good compromise. If the North American/Oceanean/Southern African single-family-home suburbs were composed more of small-scale homesteaders like the dacha system in Russia (where you have lots of private vegetable gardens and the like) rather than this late 20th-century hyper-sanitized parody of itself (HOA's don't help a lot of the time) I wouldn't have nearly as many concerns with the current set up.

 

[Mukhrani]

To be honest social mobility is needed to a degree, without it you just end up with neo-serfdom ("no you can't move out and be independent because the (((Local Leader))) said so"), and considering china will lockdown whole cities because 1 guy gets the cough and millions suffer, I rather take more social mobility and the like than china's bullshit.

I'm referring to the hukou system, and that's not really how it works. You are registered to a place when you are born there. You can leave and work elsewhere - China has an absolutely enormous levels of internal migration - but things like welfare and social safety nets in each city are only open to registered residents of those cities. People can rent and work there, but they have to be 100% self-sufficient because they will get pretty much zero help from the government unless they can switch their registration to that city (this is controlled to a large degree by local authorities and is usually pretty difficult to do). For example, a lot of rural people work in the cities without being registered there. Some of them don't want to switch their registration because they want to keep their farmland - you have to either live in the city or live rurally, you can't do both at the same time. You also need to vote in the local elections where you are registered, so you can't have a huge influx of people changing the political makeup of a region. Overall it's much more stable, and it's not even a communist thing - iirc it's goes way back in Chinese history.

What's the alternative? It's formerly beautiful, safe, clean cities being transformed into dysfunctional pavement ape hives. It's not being able to find a single city that's safe, sane, and nice to live in, because every one ends up pocked with ghettos, with the only nice areas being exorbitant. Cities were never perfect, but the American/European model has run amuck and led to dysfunction on a pretty unprecedented scale.

 

[Slightly Apathetic Mario]

What's the alternative? It's formerly beautiful, safe, clean cities being transformed into dysfunctional pavement ape hives

Yes because Chinese cities are a bastion being clean and safe, not like chinese cities are notorious for air pollution and minor crime. I hope you get your 50 cents for spouting such retarded shit

 

[Mukhrani]

Yes because Chinese cities are a bastion being clean and safe, not like chinese cities are notorious for air pollution and minor crime. I hope you get your 50 cents for spouting such retarded shit
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It's called smog. That's how American cities used to look, decades years ago. It's the price of industry and productivity - we exported ours to China in a fit of civilizational stupidity that will probably become legendary in the distant future.

 

[Slightly Apathetic Mario]

>"western cities are failing because niggers and jews"
>therefore we should adopt the ideals of the chinese, a group that is just as if not more slimey than jews and as barbaric as niggers

Overall it's much more stable, and it's not even a communist thing - iirc it's goes way back in Chinese history.

We know chinese people have been soulless bugmen since the ancient days, it's surprising chinks never learn that and proceed to shit up the rest of the world with their bullshit.

 

[Tealeaf]

Several of the more extreme pro-density types don't seem to understand that cars are still extremely common in Europe, both west and east. Even most western European families own at least one car. Of course, this cuts both ways.

They do understand. But there is no paradise. Europe is awful if you’re not a driver and also not of generational wealth to live in the rare places that are great without requiring massive amounts of driving or worse, riding forever in public transport to get anywhere useful. Driving all over the place is the only practical model for most people and that sucks.

But Europe is comparatively a lot better than America so I don’t fault people for using it as an example. There‘s a lot of good solutions out there that should be copied and duplicated for anyone that likes that sort of thing. Including inside Europe.

You can have more reasonably compact cities without actively trying to punish motorists and widespread car/home (of all housing types) ownership but the vast majority of nuance has been lost due to the autistic whinging of either side. I wish garden cities took off because they seem like a good compromise.

Garden cities are not a good compromise. They don’t have nearly enough density to be independent, walking-distance economies. They’re glorified, fancy bedroom communities with limited local commercial services. Oh, you’re going to drive or ride transit for a while to access the actual employment and commercial centers. Better enjoy it.

An actually good walking-distance economy requires substantial building density and walking-distance access to a lot of stuff, which inherently punishes motorists. There’s just not enough room for many cars at all. You can build underground or multi-level garages, but they are quite expensive, so you either subsidize the fuck out of them (with non-drivers’ tax money) or it goes back to punishing motorists with individual parking places costing as much as small apartments in the area. The only way to have it work is that most motorists live somewhere else. They have plenty of options.

If the North American/Oceanean/Southern African single-family-home suburbs were composed more of small-scale homesteaders like the dacha system in Russia (where you have lots of private vegetable gardens and the like) rather than this late 20th-century hyper-sanitized parody of itself (HOA's don't help a lot of the time) I wouldn't have nearly as many concerns with the current set up.

There’s nothing inherently wrong with infinite SFH sprawl. If you like big homes and big yards and are willing to drive a lot to make it work, knock yourself out. It doesn’t affect my life in any way.

Just don’t make it the only practical option for a person of ordinary wealth. If I have to live somewhere where I have to drive, suffer or drive and suffer to make my daily life work within my means, I will hate it.

 

[Cavalier Cipolla]

The fuck did bee and ant keepers ever do to you?

OP was probably being a retard and kept shoving his phone too close to the honey making beehive for Instagram or something similar and then got stung.

 

[Slightly Apathetic Mario]

Part of me hates whenever these youtube channels use Cities Skylines as a "source" for their argument, it's if I used Hearts of Iron 4 as a "source" on geopolitics and military tactics, just seems autistic as fuck
Besides Simcity 4 is the better city building game anyway

 

[Android raptor]

This is also why there is local pushback to expanding public transit in a lot of small rural/exurb towns. In principle, people out in the boonies would like the idea of being able to hop on a local train and move one town down, or go to the city to catch a flight or see a show/game. But that's 100% not worth it because the traffic is two-way - it also means that city nignogs can now flood your small town and commute to work (at best) or shit up your town with crime and drugs while burdening local charitable/welfare organizations. The same goes for the H1B scourge, who will create a market for ugly cookiecutter townhouses that start to fill up the local fields and transform your bucolic hamlet into a sprawling mini-hive. Then everything that you hate about the city culturally comes to your little sanctuary.

As much as China is a shitshow, one of the things that they do right is allow political leaders in local cities to control who can move in and at what rate - the idea of earning/applying for 'citizenship' on a granular level. This idea in Europe and America that it should just be a free-for-all when it comes to internal mass migration has utterly destroyed so many formerly beautiful, functional cities and is now infecting the suburbs as well.

Then how are people like me, who can't afford cars, supposed to get to these rural areas that are supposedly so much better than evil cities?

Also lol@the idea that rural America isn't already up to its eyeballs in meth/pills and related crime

Tbh the biggest problem with cities is they're too damn expensive. Rent is too damn high, etc.

 

[Mukhrani]

Then how are people like me, who can't afford cars, supposed to get to these rural areas that are supposedly so much better than evil cities?

Also lol@the idea that rural America isn't already up to its eyeballs in meth/pills and related crime

Tbh the biggest problem with cities is they're too damn expensive. Rent is too damn high, etc.

Rural areas certainly have their own problems, some more than others. But city people not being able to get here is kind of the point. People here aren't rich, and when rich city people come and drive up the property taxes, drive up the land value, it's really disruptive. Sure, one generation might make a lot when the price of their house goes up. But their kids will not be able to afford to buy a house that their family may have lived in for generations. I'm a big believer in the idea that stable communities have a lot of intangible benefits that are fragile, and hard to rebuild. When you have a bunch of city people moving into a community, basically gentrifying it, and scattering the people who've lived there for decades or even centuries to the four winds, that's when you get a lot more of the drugs and deaths of despair because the community is dissolved.

Also, not to judge you personally, but city people are generally insufferable. They move to an area and then bitch to the cops about everything - loud parties, people target shooting, four wheelers, they bitch about people's driving to get the speed limits lowered. They hobnob with the police so they have more pull. They've even taken public roads and made them private, or held up road repairs for decades because they didn't like the design of the bridge. If these are the white people that blacks have to deal with, I can see why they hate whitey.

 

[Slightly Apathetic Mario]

Then how are people like me, who can't afford cars, supposed to get to these rural areas that are supposedly so much better than evil cities?

Also lol@the idea that rural America isn't already up to its eyeballs in meth/pills and related crime

Buy a car bro, they're not that expensive
Same energy:

Also someone who is in the Rural Midwest I have to say you're full of shit, yes there's crime, but our cops actually do their job worth a damn because we elect them to their position and not being butt buddies with the mayor, then I would say buy a gun for self defense but you're a city fag probably so lol nogunz.

The main problem with cities is their overpopulated, if there was one good thing Pol Pot ever did was depopulating cities and forcing them to adopt rural life styles

 

[Slightly Apathetic Mario]

Rural areas certainly have their own problems, some more than others. But city people not being able to get here is kind of the point. People here aren't rich, and when rich city people come and drive up the property taxes, drive up the land value,

legit this, like how in my town city fags will open up loan business to try to exploit the working class of my town like modern day carpetbaggers. I don't mind people moving in to a degree, if they're willing to adopt the culture and the like of said region they're moving in too, like say my area has a lot of people from Texas/Rockies moving in and they're normally pretty chill and willing to integrate, but when rust belt niggers come in, they shit up the place (regardless of their race).

 

[Android raptor]

Buy a car bro, they're not that expensive
Same energy:
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Also someone who is in the Rural Midwest I have to say you're full of shit, yes there's crime, but our cops actually do their job worth a damn because we elect them to their position and not being butt buddies with the mayor, then I would say buy a gun for self defense but you're a city fag probably so lol nogunz.

The main problem with cities is their overpopulated, if there was one good thing Pol Pot ever did was depopulating cities and forcing them to adopt rural life styles

Couple thousand dollars minimum and a couple hundred bux at least a month after that is pretty expensive, actually.

As someone who has been to/lived near the rural parts of the Bible belt, lmao. You might not have noticed the meth labs, but they're definitely there. Along with all the child abuse/neglect, animal neglect (why so many dogs just chained in yards or let loose?), cults, poverty, lack of resources/employment opportunities, and other problems common in rural burgerland.