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[Xarpho's Return]

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Yet more gaslighting by these people. The (((protests))) that ripped this country apart are still fresh in everyone's minds. I think that plays a bit bigger of a part than seeing a black person in your neighborhood.

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I love it when leftists try to use our masculinity against us. Most of us are smart enough to realize no amount of sit-ups or crunches can protest us against literal criminal hordes. As Chris Rock once said "You got pecs, I got TECs." Not to mention if he was talking about how he was gonna bash those protestors' heads together you'd be screeching about toxic masculinity.

Also if you have a friend or family member that wants to try "exposure therapy" on you, cut them out immediately. I can deal with political disagreements, I will not deal with someone trying to convert me out of my supposed badwrong wicked ways.

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Yeah, it's just those dang dirty right-wingers portraying your lefty utopia as a hellscape. There's absolutely nothing to that at all. Your city is burning and your biggest concern is referring to the homeless tweakers as the 'unhoused'. Your city will be a trash dump and the country's laughingstock until you start allowing these.

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You locked everybody inside for two years. You insisted I cheered on my country being burned down. You destroyed people's income for slightly politically incorrect statements. You tried to force me and everyone I know to take a vaccine that had barely been tested on humans. And now you're insisting that everybody give up their car and let the state provide their transportation. I do not share 95% of opinions with you. I don't even share 50% of my opinions with you. I share maybe 5% of my opinions with you at best and that's only because you haven't yet gone full Orwell and tried convincing me 2+2=5. If purging you from my country is an unacceptable option then the only alternative I have is to distance myself from you as much as possible.

The big problem is that they're unwilling to accept that there is bad and good in cities, but the good part is only a tiny minority that is surrounded by shit and filth, and even that shit and filth gets into the "good" parts. I live in the suburbs of an always-blue city (I've said it before but not this time--the clues are there though). On one hand, I typically enjoy my visits there. If I'm in town for an interview or just out and about for people watching, I'll be around it. There's a few malls, which are nice to visit and has a few interesting stores worth checking out. One's indoor and is fairly traditional, one's outdoor and resembles more of a "downtown". There's some cool grocery stores I can stock up on treats on. There's a few restaurants I enjoy eating at. There's museums and other tourist attractions that the suburbs don't have. Hell, even some of my favorite video games of all time were developed in the city.

On the other hand, however, the homeless population is completely out of control--public camping is banned but that doesn't stop tents from being in every piece of vacant land available (most notably in and around highways but also on public land as well), everything's expensive, people are generally unlikable, crime is through the roof, and for every nice part of town there's at least 10 more shitty ones...and so, as a whole, it's not good. And that's not an uncommon sentiment.

And you know what? It's okay to accept the city for what it is, that maybe those good parts make it all worth it despite its problems. This is, after all, what makes neighborhoods distinct and different from each other. The problem is that these people downplay every single problem of the city, blaming things on "capitalism" or "car-centricism" or "MAGA" or whatever the buzzword of the day, and actively making it worse by electing politicians who will kowtow to the crime and filth. Then they do all this while saying that your way of life, in comfy suburbs or neighborhoods where panhandling is seldom seen, crime is low, and parking is free, is "unsustainable" or "subsidized by them" and must be eradicated at any cost.

 

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/r/fuckcars user is upset that as her friends got older, they chose to move to the suburbs instead of staying in walkable Cambridge, Massachusetts. She feels she has to move to NYC to escape "carbrained" Boston.


I can't wait for her to discover New Jersey, Long Island, Westchester County, Connecticut, Queens, Staten Island, etc. where lots of her "New Yorker" friends will end up moving to, if they don't live there already. I'll die of laughter if I see a follow up post titled "New York City is too carbrained, how can I move to Amsterdam?"
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[LaxerBRO]

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Yet more gaslighting by these people. The (((protests))) that ripped this country apart are still fresh in everyone's minds. I think that plays a bit bigger of a part than seeing a black person in your neighborhood.

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I love it when leftists try to use our masculinity against us. Most of us are smart enough to realize no amount of sit-ups or crunches can protest us against literal criminal hordes. As Chris Rock once said "You got pecs, I got TECs." Not to mention if he was talking about how he was gonna bash those protestors' heads together you'd be screeching about toxic masculinity.

Also if you have a friend or family member that wants to try "exposure therapy" on you, cut them out immediately. I can deal with political disagreements, I will not deal with someone trying to convert me out of my supposed badwrong wicked ways.

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Yeah, it's just those dang dirty right-wingers portraying your lefty utopia as a hellscape. There's absolutely nothing to that at all. Your city is burning and your biggest concern is referring to the homeless tweakers as the 'unhoused'. Your city will be a trash dump and the country's laughingstock until you start allowing these.

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You locked everybody inside for two years. You insisted I cheered on my country being burned down. You destroyed people's income for slightly politically incorrect statements. You tried to force me and everyone I know to take a vaccine that had barely been tested on humans. And now you're insisting that everybody give up their car and let the state provide their transportation. I do not share 95% of opinions with you. I don't even share 50% of my opinions with you. I share maybe 5% of my opinions with you at best and that's only because you haven't yet gone full Orwell and tried convincing me 2+2=5. If purging you from my country is an unacceptable option then the only alternative I have is to distance myself from you as much as possible.

The lawless warzone talk is hyperbole but still based in truth. In the reddit discussion, we see several cities and I will focus on Philadelphia, New Orleans, and Portland.

Regarding Philadelphia , the murder rate hit an all time high in 2021 with 562 murders. The murder trend is going down SLIGHTLY in 2022 by about 7% year to date but is still close to the all time high. While this is not meet the definition of a war zone the proportionality of criminal harm is quite higher than in a middle class suburb or rural area.

Well what about other crimes?

Lets look at rape:

Nope, this is not just a one off example.

The amount of rape in the city is much higher than national average with the trend in rapes still higher than in the past.



Looking at New Orleans, the city appears to be undergoing a crime wave when compared to 2019. Homicides and shootings are up 100%+ compared to 2019, car jackings are up 200%+, and armed robbery is up 25%.

Finally addressing Portland, I found it fitting to answer their Reddit post with another Reddit post. It seems that a local clothing store had to close down in Portland due to rampant theft. How rampant is this theft? Well according to the sign the store had 15 break-ins since they opened and now have experienced FIVE break-ins in three weeks. The store owner is literally pleading to their former customers that the city is in trouble and being besieged by crime.


So what is the response?

They believe that going around tourist sites can give one a good taste of how safe a city is. While this might give a person some insight its really isn't a good measure of overall safety. Their are multiple reasons for this but it could be that they were having fun with friends and family or they could be experiencing something new therefore distracted to gauge danger. Other possibilities are that such tourist hotspots have invested in security and worked with police to much the surrounding area safer. The main point I am trying to convey is that its one thing to be on vacation in an area its very much different to live in that area.

This shit is like the Conan O'Brian segment where he set out to prove that Haiti was not a shithole by visiting one of the only five star resorts on the island along with a dedicated three man security team. Personally, I like to travel and enjoy higher end resorts, but I don't pretend that my time at a resort is reflective of what normal life is like.


My trip a couple weeks ago to New Orleans where I stayed a week at the Ritz Carlton on the Maison Orleans Club Level. (The Jazz performer is Jeremy Davenport)

Is this how most people in New Orleans spend their lives?

Probably because I am a Reddit retard.

 

[Chuck McGill]

@LaxerBRO

Absolutely tremendous post. You went into far greater autistic detail on this subject than I ever could. It seems to be a perception blind spot of people in general that if the problem hasn't started boiling over already, it can be safely ignored. No, Philadelphia and Portland have not morphed into Escape from New York(yet), but they certainly have seen a rise in crime that ought to be enough to give anyone pause. And this unto itself might not be so worrisome were it not for a cadre of district attorneys ruling from the bench and letting these people out with zero bail, then telling the average citizen that this is just the price we must pay for racial equity. So make sure you leave those car trunks open at night and do what the mugger says, this is what equality looks like.

All in all I just wish they would stop with the gaslighting. It seems so strange that these people insist that we come live in their hive cities with them. I don't like them, they don't seem to much care for me. When I have a mutual distrust and dislike for someone else I go out of my way to avoid them, not move them into my damn basement. If these people don't want to live in your cities, there's probably a good deal of reasons for it that may have gone unsaid or unrecognized by the person in question. Something tells me that even if you could objectively demonstrate that the level of crime isn't that bad(spoiler: you can't), they would have another half dozen reasons ready to go. To attempt to knock down each of those reasons in turn would only expose your true thoughts on the matter: that you see living in a dense city without much personal space to be a moral imperative, one that can only be evaded by those few willing and able to pay what they consider to be the "true cost" of living otherwise.

 

[jje100010001]

I can't fathom why people push the "white flight" narrative because it also inadvertently implies that white people are the only things that hold functional cities together. Whether that's true or not, it reflects way worse on non-whites than white people.

Beating on a long-dead horse by now, but when white people move to the suburbs it’s called white flight, and when they move back into the cities it’s called gentrification.

One might realize by now that these people have a rather binary view of the world, even though they claim to be more enlightened from such ‘urban exposure’.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

/r/fuckcars user is upset that as her friends got older, they chose to move to the suburbs instead of staying in walkable Cambridge, Massachusetts. She feels she has to move to NYC to escape "carbrained" Boston.
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I can't wait for her to discover New Jersey, Long Island, Westchester County, Connecticut, Queens, Staten Island, etc. where lots of her "New Yorker" friends will end up moving to, if they don't live there already. I'll die of laughter if I see a follow up post titled "New York City is too carbrained, how can I move to Amsterdam?"
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See, this is one thing I didn't get to expound on my last post. Remember when I said that cities have some good parts that I genuinely enjoy and like? Guess what...

I didn't even get to the best part.

You know how bugmen types like to mock suburbanites for their rather limited choice in dining and shopping? Guess what—if you don't have a car and are locked into the urban area, you don't have a choice either, and everything you have around you is far shittier than the suburbs. You don't have a large, full-line supermarket. If you have a supermarket at all, it's going to be older, smaller, and poorly-maintained with hobos milling around the parking lot (also, check those expiration dates). Otherwise and especially in New York City, you're stuck with what amounts to a no-name convenience store. Whatever nearby restaurants are nearby you'll tire of quickly.

"Yeah but I can take transit anywhere!" Well, the fact is that in 20 minutes you won't get a whole lot farther than you would in a car. In Manhattan, it takes about 45 minutes to go from one end to the other (for my unscientific survey, I did Fraunces Tavern in the Financial District to Mamasushi in Hamilton Heights leaving on a Friday afternoon). It's about 30 minutes to an hour for cars. At night, traffic tends to clear out for cars, but slows down for trains (less service), so expect an hour for trains (due to the slower service); but with car that drops to 22-35 minutes.

Give anyone 20 minutes to find dinner and shopping and that opens up tons of options even for someone living on the edge of town.

 

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In Manhattan, it takes about 45 minutes to go from one end to the other (for my unscientific survey, I did Fraunces Tavern in the Financial District to Mamasushi in Hamilton Heights leaving on a Friday afternoon). It's about 30 minutes to an hour for cars. At night, traffic tends to clear out for cars, but slows down for trains (less service), so expect an hour for trains (due to the slower service); but with car that drops to 22-35 minutes.

There's a reason why the rich use chauffeurs, valet parking, and helicopters. I laugh every time they post the "a developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It's where the rich use public transportation" quote because there isn't a single city in the world where that's true.

Give anyone 20 minutes to find dinner and shopping and that opens up tons of options even for someone living on the edge of town.

That's why I hate the "15 minute city" plan. Every suburb I've ever lived in has had nearly everything within a 15 minute drive, but the dense areas I've lived in only had a handful of things within 15 minutes of travel time unless you timed your bus/train trips perfectly. Waiting 10 minutes for the next bus/train means that you're not going anywhere door-to-door in 15 minutes. When I lived in a tall apartment building it could take over five minutes just to get out the door; navigating hallways and waiting for the elevator or walking down 30 flights of stairs takes time.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

There's a reason why the rich use chauffeurs, valet parking, and helicopters. I laugh every time they post the "a developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It's where the rich use public transportation" quote because there isn't a single city in the world where that's true.

I assume that's based the assumption that wearing a shirt and tie to work means you have a good job and thus are rich.

Reality is a lot of businesses, even today, still require overdressing for what is a rather menial salary that can give a single person enough money for an apartment, living expenses, and some spending money, but not a lot leftover (NYC and especially Japan probably fall under this category). And I've had jobs like that. I would know.

Stupid people often overestimate someone's wealth and taste based on their clothing versus their own. A simple polo shirt that doesn't have stains all over it would be considered "fancy" by standards of trashy Walmart stores and rural, decades-old grocery stores.

The other reason that statement is erroneous is that it's usually used as a knock against America, but even in America, there's still upper-middle class that use public transportation, so it's wrong either way.

@LaxerBRO:
Speaking of assumptions, the "the city is just like the tourist areas bro" is a horrible indicator of cities as a whole. If you judge a town by its nicest hotel and best restaurant, then the world starts to look like a wonderful place, because even the shittiest, most crime-ridden cities can do that in their sleep.

Yeah, every city has its bad parts and shitty neighborhoods. That's unavoidable to some extent. The mental gymnastics to convince themselves that the bad stuff in cities is either not a problem, actually good, or will be dealt when we embrace public transportation and/or communism, is on another level.

I'd call it cope, but coping usually implies that there's nothing you can do about it.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Jason keeps retweeting tranny propaganda.


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Seriously I don't know why he keeps doing this and interacting with obscure nobodies like Keffals. He already has a tenuous message that 99% of people aren't going to accept, so he decides to signal boost other controversial messages too? It's baffling, like everything about urbanism.

Also Strong Towns wrote a page about Jason Slaughter and some other guy named Nathan Allebach who apparently makes Strong Towns TikToks (to be fair that's better than 99% of typical TikTok content). It includes this image of Jason looking smug as fuck on a bike:



I believe I've seen this photo before (maybe it was used on The War On Cars podcast but don't quote me on that). It just looks really funny and also it doesn't look like Jason is holding up too well compared to his @slaughterdotcom profile picture.

 

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some other guy named Nathan Allebach who apparently makes Strong Towns TikToks

He's not super popular:

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[Xarpho's Return]

He's not super popular:
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I don't want to make unfounded assumptions on appearances but he looks exactly like the person you want keep your children away from.

 

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Seriously I don't know why he keeps doing this and interacting with obscure nobodies like Keffals. He already has a tenuous message that 99% of people aren't going to accept, so he decides to signal boost other controversial messages too? It's baffling, like everything about urbanism.

There is something . . . off about the Jason Slaughter story. He showed up out of nowhere with a couple slickly produced videos and just took off. He says he just made videos to explain why he moved to Amsterdam. But who makes professional quality videos to announce something that banal?

Then he immediately gets hooked up with one of the larger players in the urbanism sphere, Strong Towns. How did he manage that with such a small track record?

There's something not right about the whole thing.

 

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Jason keeps retweeting tranny propaganda.

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Seriously I don't know why he keeps doing this and interacting with obscure nobodies like Keffals. He already has a tenuous message that 99% of people aren't going to accept, so he decides to signal boost other controversial messages too? It's baffling, like everything about urbanism.

Looking forward to when these people start preaching about how poor transwomxn are most effected by stroads and lacks-of-subways somehow.

 

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There is something . . . off about the Jason Slaughter story. He showed up out of nowhere with a couple slickly produced videos and just took off. He says he just made videos to explain why he moved to Amsterdam. But who makes professional quality videos to announce something that banal?

Then he immediately gets hooked up with one of the larger players in the urbanism sphere, Strong Towns. How did he manage that with such a small track record?

There's something not right about the whole thing.

Amsterdam is famous for something other than canals and bikes. His retweet history makes me think that it's the real reason why he moved there.
I'm talking of their love for traffic lights, of course. They especially like them when they're signaling that no cars are allowed to move.

Amsterdam is full of people who love traffic control devices.
You can easily tell where they live because they illuminate their windows to advertise their interest:

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De Wallen (Dutch pronunciation: [də ˈʋɑlə(n)]) or De Walletjes (Dutch pronunciation: [də ˈʋɑləcəs]) is the largest and best known red-light district in Amsterdam. It consists of a network of alleys containing approximately 300 one-room cabins rented by prostitutes who offer their sexual services from behind a window or glass door, typically illuminated with red lights and blacklight. Window prostitution is the most visible and typical kind of red-light district sex work in Amsterdam.

De Wallen, together with the prostitution areas Singelgebied and Ruysdaelkade, form the Rosse Buurt (red-light areas) of Amsterdam. Of these De Wallen is the oldest and largest area. It is one of the city's major tourist attractions and the government of Amsterdam is examining ways to limit tourist numbers.

The area also has a number of sex shops, sex theatres, peep shows, a sex museum, a cannabis museum, and a number of coffee shops that sell cannabis.

 

[RabiesTheRedneck]

I'm gonna politisperg but I'm saying it how it is because r/fuckcars is just an obvious head of the globohomo hydra.

These control freaks are genuinely retarded if they think after decades of gaslighting we'll believe them when they claim to be moderate, and that we won't listen when they tell us who they really are. Right now even the smug "coexist" sticker libshits who claimed their prius is "eco friendly" and just a "choice" are mandating them in most of the US and EU by 2030 while straight up admitting they're worse for the environment because Tesla man bad, but fuck you we'll make you buy them anyway, chud.
But I'm sure the people who promised it's a cooky conspiracy to say they'd control your EV wouldn't lock your train access behind social credit and have the TSA search you if you wanted to go anywhere would they? Oh wait they already did that. 9 years ago, in fact.

"BUT we don't want to BAN cars!"
Uh-huh, like how for years Canada, similar to blue states now, were in the "we didn't ban ALL guns" phase- until they did days ago, or the "COVID officials" just wanted to "stop the spread"- until 3 years later we learn they made the spread, as China uses concentration camps and contact tracing apps against protestors, a fate we were only spared because of "antivaxxers" taking untold abuse from the public because they read the writing on the wall.

Or like how these same leftists demanded Internet censorship AIs in 2017 to "protect democracy" from "Russian meddling", and years later all these companies blatantly meddled in the 2020 election.

Every single suggestion they make, forever, will always be taken in bad faith by anyone not swayed by the media pundits who regurgitate these shithead thinktanks, and they should, because any one of them without fail is a wicked totalitarian bastard playing dumb. This has been proven many times, too many times.

Fuck these people and all of their deception. I WILL own a car, I WILL live in a house, I WILL eat the meat I shot. Because fuck you.

 

[Chuck McGill]

You dang dirty Americans and your *checks notes* not letting me go topless in public and saunter into roadways drunk! You're basically a bunch of fascists, abloobloobloo.

Whatever Euroslave, least I can turn my thermostat as high as I want without getting fined for it. And while we're on the topic of shit I can do as an American that you can't, the Holocaust didn't happen and refugees are disgusting turds.

 

[msd]

You know skimming through this, fuck these retards.

These are the same retards currently trying to shit up what used to be beautiful home town.

 

[The Gene Genie]

I can somewhat sympathize where these people come from in regards to American public infrastructure, specifically rail (it's one of my hobbyhorses), and suburban sprawl I find the ideological backing of most of this to be really fucking irritating. There's no nuance to these people, believing that their (most likely) gentrified urban gated area, where the poorfags and the negroes are blocked off from being a part of via high rent and an active police presence, are somehow typical of the life in a major American city. I lived in a "major urban metropolis" for the better part of my life and these people were the most deluded, ridiculous, and insane people I've ever met - and I knew delusional crackheads with dreams of getting-rich-quick every day.

There's arguing that suburban development is unsustainable and unnatural and that America has let its rail system - once robust and the envy of the world - collapse in on itself, and then there's arguing that we should all reject a crucial part of peoples' lives and all live in an urban environment. Ridiculous and preposterous.

 

[RabiesTheRedneck]

It's not that complicated. All these urbanists who insist their shitholes are safe on Twitter and who blame you driving cars for high gas prices are Communists. They want to outlaw and cultutrally genocide rural communities via car bans because they're Communists. They suck up to the WEF and ESG because- say it with me, they're Communists. They want anyone free to be subjugated or killed because how dare us exist.

They deserve a thread, fuck anyone who says otherwise. These retards, unlike internet neonazis we also laugh at, actually do irrepadable harm to the world, because all their ideological allies hold absolute power over everything, and they want us dead too.

Remember that it all starts with weirdo internet communities.

 

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I'll die of laughter if I see a follow up post titled "New York City is too carbrained, how can I move to Amsterdam?"

Not the same person, but New York City is apparently "car hell":



Both the $500 billion and the $1000/sq ft figures are made up. That sounds like Manhattan prices, not city-wide. Most of these free "spots" are unmarked and on very low traffic roads lined by single family houses. They're implying that leaving empty space and not building something is a subsidy to car owners. Unfortunately, that is a common thing that these types believe; if you ever hear them talk about Land-Value Taxes or Georgism, what they're actually talking about is an ideology that tries to justify stealing other people's land because you don't like how they're using it.

They do know that there's more to NYC than Manhattan and the trendy areas of Brooklyn?

Sort of...clearly they've never been there. A lot of NYC's public transit is designed to funnel people to/from Manhattan and it can be quiet slow to travel around the other boroughs using transit. It also makes no sense to build bus/bike lanes on most of the roads with free parking; it's unheard of to have a bus lane on non-arterial roads and bike lanes are unnecessary on low-traffic, low-speed residential roads.

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