OY VEY!!! Antisemitism!

[The Great Chandler]

Haha that's where you're wrong. Ben Carson already laid the smackdown on pyramids.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ore-grain-and-it-just-may-get-him-some-votes/

For an amazing surgeon, that was a dumb opinion.

 

[AnOminous]

Exactly. There are SJW communist types who hate Jews because they think they spread capitalism, there are Antisemite types that think they spread communism to kill the whites or whatever, they're just a excuse to justify their shitty life.

It's a pretty common /pol/ trope that Jews use the magic TV box to hypnotize white women to getting knocked up by ooga boogas.

 

[Abethedemon]

It's a pretty common /pol/ trope that Jews use the magic TV box to hypnotize white women to getting knocked up by ooga boogas.

 

[Malady Twigs]

Anyone ever met an antisemitic person?

Two very close friends of mine are of Arabian heritage and they absolutely despise Israel. Like, with all their hearts. That was an information that accidentally slipped, so I didn't get much detail. I have a feeling they dislike Jews as well, but I can't be sure.

I'm really interested in listening to their points of view in this matter, but I can't help but think initiating that sort of conversation would be somewhat awkward. I've seen a lot of swastikas drawn on walls and stuff, but I assume it's the type of hatred that's only there for attention or to be edgy.

My two friends, though, it feels like one of those things that probably come from their ancestors and it's been ingrained on their minds, or perhaps arbitrary education. It feels like it's, I don't know, a rather personal issue.

Interestingly enough, I have a Jewish friend who dated a Jewish girl for a few years and, apparently, they belonged to different... What's the word, casts? Of Jewish people. His family and her family were from different origins, and her family was rather prejudice against his. So I suppose there is some sort of anti-semitism within the Jewish community itself.

 

[Carlos Thin]

So I suppose there is some sort of anti-semitism within the Jewish community itself.

This I have only seen within the sects, more Orthodox jews would look down upon Reform as not really being practicing Jews. Of course, I've only really been aquainted with Ashkenazi or Sephardic Jews

 

[Internet War Criminal]

This I have only seen within the sects, more Orthodox jews would look down upon Reform as not really being practicing Jews.

How is that anti-semitism? They, by their own admission, only observe the commandments they want to observe when they want to observe them. That's not being "observant" the way it was understood for 3,000 years. And it's certainly not anti-semitic to point it out.

Would you go and also call a catholic anti-Christian if he pointed out that cafeteria catholics are picking and choosing what they want to adhere to?

Of course, I've only really been aquainted with Ashkenazi or Sephardic Jews

... as opposed to? Ashkenazim and Sefaradim are like 97%+ of Jews worldwide.

 

[Malady Twigs]

This I have only seen within the sects, more Orthodox jews would look down upon Reform as not really being practicing Jews. Of course, I've only really been aquainted with Ashkenazi or Sephardic Jews

He told me about that as well. He travelled to New York and went to a Jewish bookstore, and was completely dismissed by the owner. I believe it was an area with many orthodox Jews.

How is that anti-semitism?

It's technically not, just a poor choice of word. I used it as well and merely did so to refer to prejudice of Jews against other Jews. I apologize for the confusion.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

He told me about that as well. He travelled to New York and went to a Jewish bookstore, and was completely dismissed by the owner. I believe it was an area with many orthodox Jews.

This is something I highly doubt for two reasons:

1) Orthodox Jew or not, he's a business owner so why would he turn away a potential customer because he's not religious? It'd be highly stupid to have a business model where you turn away 70%+ of American Jews considering how niche your market is since that's already less than 2% of the American customer base.
2) Kiruv, the idea of bringing Jews close to observance of Torah, is very important important in Judaism. In fact it's considered one of the greatest thing a Jew can do. So the idea that an Orthodox bookstore owner would completely dismiss a non-religious Jew who wants to buy religious books is absurd.

Whenever you hear anyone claim 'Oh man I tried to do X/go to Y and I was rejected by a bigot because I'm Z' in America, it's a really good idea to take all those claims with a grain of salt the size of Lot's wife. It almost always turns out that the person who claimed he/she/xyr was discriminated again was acting out/being rude/batshit crazy/a complete misunderstanding and not actual bigotry.

It's technically not, just a poor choice of word. I used it as well and merely did so to refer to prejudice of Jews against other Jews. I apologize for the confusion.

No need to apologize

 

[norrington]

2) Kiruv, the idea of bringing Jews close to observance of Torah, is very important important in Judaism. In fact it's considered one of the greatest thing a Jew can do. So the idea that an Orthodox bookstore owner would completely dismiss a non-religious Jew who wants to buy religious books is absurd.

Although, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that someone would think being a dick to a person would be the only way to make them realize they need to straighten up their act, especially in a religious context. I'm skeptical, too, and I'm inclined to agree with you, but it's not impossible that certain Orthodox (especially the ultra-orthodox) communities could twist the logic of Kiruv to something more along exclusionary lines. If that were the case, and he saw it as a religious duty, it might also outweigh his desire to turn a profit.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Although, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that someone would think being a dick to a person would be the only way to make them realize they need to straighten up their act, especially in a religious context. I'm skeptical, too, and I'm inclined to agree with you, but it's not impossible that certain Orthodox (especially the ultra-orthodox) communities could twist the logic of Kiruv to something more along exclusionary lines. If that were the case, and he saw it as a religious duty, it might also outweigh his desire to turn a profit.

Even if the non-religious Jew was not being belligerent or asking questions that were perceived as such, was acting properly and did nothing wrong or that could be construed as wrong, occam's razor says that:

1) The owner was just having a bad day
2) He was not being rude, just a New Yorker acting like New Yorkers do

rather than anything related to the fact that he was non-religious. The ultra-Orthodox specifically are the ones who engage by far the most in Kiruv, and there are definitely laws that regulate the way you should act with your fellow Jews.

In fact, it is a religious prohibition to go ahead and rebuke anyone who you know will not listen. And that's when it comes to follow Torah-observant Jews. When it comes to non-religious Jews, it's straight up forbidden. So there is no logic that could be twisted in making it his religious duty to be rude to a non-religious Jew out of nowhere just so he'd get his act together and become more observant.

 

[Carlos Thin]

How is that anti-semitism? They, by their own admission, only observe the commandments they want to observe when they want to observe them. That's not being "observant" the way it was understood for 3,000 years. And it's certainly not anti-semitic to point it out.

Would you go and also call a catholic anti-Christian if he pointed out that cafeteria catholics are picking and choosing what they want to adhere to?



... as opposed to? Ashkenazim and Sefaradim are like 97%+ of Jews worldwide.

I didn't mean to call it anti-semitism, I was quoting Malady Twigs.

Catholics can be choosy too. I've been witness to arguments over Vatican II (albeit these were some older, more senile debators)

I didn't know if Middle Eastern or Euro-Asian Jews had some bug up their ass about the immigrants.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Middle-Eastern Jews are a subset of Sephardic Jewry, as are the vast majority of "Indian" Jews who descend from Sepharadic/Iraqi Jews who moved there for business.

As far as the 3% of Jews who are not Ashkenazi/Sefardic they would reject the reform or conservative movements as they tend to be extremely religious and want nothing to do with modern recent European deviations.

Same with the Sefardim, for that matter. Reform/Conservative is pretty much an exclusively Ashkenazi thing

 

[The Great Chandler]

There's also anti-semitic black supremacists out there.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

There's also anti-semitic black supremacists out there.

Are you talking about the Black Hebrew/Israelite types, or the Nation of Islam type?

Either way blacks have had the highest self-admitted percentage of anti-semites in any group of citizens born in America, and its been that way for decade. Which I've always thought was pretty ironic considering the huge role Jews played in the civil rights struggle and how supportive they were/are of the black community

 

[Abethedemon]

Are you talking about the Black Hebrew/Israelite types, or the Nation of Islam type?

Either way blacks have had the highest self-admitted percentage of anti-semites in any group of citizens born in America, and its been that way for decade. Which I've always thought was pretty ironic considering the huge role Jews played in the civil rights struggle and how supportive they were/are of the black community

It's also interesting, considering that a lot of these anti-semites practice a form of Judaism, claiming that black people are the true Israelites.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

They don't practice anything remotely close to Judaism. They claim to be, but they are in fact Christians, and they do a few things they 'think' are Jewish in their rituals but are usually just mimicking things they don't understand/straight up taking verses out of context. Their core beliefs are based on Christianity through and through, even though they call themselves Jewish.

Which is something that has happened a lot throughout history, you always have small separate Christian groups who decide all of a sudden 'Wait no, WE'RE the real Jews, you see'. Look into the British Israelites, or the dozen or so other groups like that around the world.

You even have Japanese people claiming that the Japanese are in fact one of the lost Jewish tribes. So in a way, Jews are to blame for anime.

Dammit, Jews.

 

[Carlos Thin]

You even have Japanese people claiming that the Japanese are in fact one of the lost Jewish tribes. So in a way, Jews are to blame for anime.

 

[Mark Corrigan]

Anyone ever met an antisemitic person?

Sure. A significant part of my family is anti-Semitic, being rural, simple-minded folk and so on.

 

[*Asterisk*]

Either way blacks have had the highest self-admitted percentage of anti-semites in any group of citizens born in America, and its been that way for decade. Which I've always thought was pretty ironic considering the huge role Jews played in the civil rights struggle and how supportive they were/are of the black community

Personally, I attribute this to the resentment over Jews being a better represented minority than themselves. Anti-yellow racism by blacks comes from the same place, and I'm not just talking about our own country. Idi Amin nearly Final Solution'd Uganda's entire Asian population for this exact reason, and Robert Mugabe taught Donald Trump everything he knows about populism and foreigners.

This is what pisses me off most about the identity-politics/SJW crowd: They preach about oppression delivering an inherient and unimpeachable wisdom. The second you point out that most people of any background's response towards experiencing oppression is to find someone they can pick on in turn, they immediately call you a racist and seek to shut you down.

 

[Rokko]

As a german, I want to contribute to this topic. I did not read other posts in this thread, but I will after posting.
There is a huge jewish community in germany. There are many many jewish monuments and memorials in germany, specifically in my area. I visit them often, also I have been to konzentrationslager very often.
There are a lot of people who are interested in jewish culture! But there is still an anti-semitic trend in germany. This is told from a neutral point of view.
I am a flaming hater of anything anti-semitic, because it is so random, it became so natural, and so on and so forth. Some of my ancestors have been in the german restistance and were killed, so I am very senstitive with this. Actually I own some diaries from my ancestors that are really interesting and would probably make me some money. I will never give them away. Powerlevel-rate me all you want, this is a hot topic for me.