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A federal appeals panel overturned the order creating a third-party special master to review 11,000 documents seized at Mar-a-Lago, clearing investigators to use the records in the criminal investigation of former President Donald Trump.

“Plaintiff’s task was to show why he needed the documents, not why the government did not,” the three-judge panel ruled in dismissing Trump’s case. “He has failed to meet his burden under this factor.”

The judges had told Trump’s lawyers during oral arguments that the traditional way to challenge what becomes part of an investigation through a government seizure is to challenge the evidence after charges have been filed. But judges said challenging the seizure at this point would only be allowed in response to the callous disregard for constitutional rights, which Trump never alleged.

“He makes arguments that if consistently applied – would allow any subject of a search warrant to invoke a federal court’s equitable jurisdiction,” the panel ruled. “Our precedents consistently reject this approach.”

The order from the three-judge panel said absent a stay from another appeal, the decision would go into effect in seven days. Trump could potentially appeal to the Supreme Court.

The special master, U.S. District Judge Raymond Dearie, had expected to complete his review by Dec. 16. But the department appealed the order that created his assignment because he could have potentially blocked access to documents as part of the criminal investigation.

The decision came less than two weeks after Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed Jack Smith as a special counsel to oversee the investigation into Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election and his unauthorized transfer of classified documents to Mar-a-Lago after he left the White House.


Trump's lawyers won approval of the special master in U.S. District Court because of arguments the 11,000 documents could contain records that are personal or fall under attorney-client or executive privilege.

But Justice Department lawyer argued the special master review was unwarranted and the time to challenge seized evidence is after criminal charges are filed. Government lawyers blocked from using non-classified documents in their investigation appealed to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

A previous three-judge panel had already overturned part of U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon's order creating the special master by allowing the Justice Department to continue investigating about 100 classified records during the review.

During oral arguments last month, the three-judge panel questioned whether Trump sought special treatment in the case and whether other targets of investigations would also seek special masters to review their searches.

The panel of Chief Judge William Pryor and Judges Britt Grant and Andrew Brasher also questioned why Trump hadn't challenged the lawfulness of the search.

James Trusty, one of Trump's lawyers, told the judges he wasn't trying to open the floodgates for all targets of investigations to get special masters. But he said Trump deserved consideration as a former president who was being investigated by the administration of a political rival.

FBI agents in August seized 11,000 documents at Mar-a-Lago as part of a criminal investigation for evidence of violations of the Espionage Act or obstruction of justice .

Trusty said Dearie was still considering whether about 930 disputed documents are personal or fall under claims of executive privilege.

Sopan Joshi, a lawyer in the Solicitor General's office, said Tuesday that Trump had shown no need for the documents, but that he already has copies of all but about 100 classified records. Joshi also said Trump made no argument the search authorized by a neutral federal magistrate was unlawful.

“What he wants is to prevent the government from using the documents,” Joshi said.
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LettuceMan said:
Trump is forgetting that no one cared about Hunter Biden in 2020. People give even less of a shit now, if they can even remember who Hunter is.
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Honestly, the Trump movement fails to realize that most people aren't as wired to the Internet as they are.
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Curse the Democrats, peace to everybody else.

-Donald Trump, probably.
 
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Arikara said:
Pence just said Trump shouldn't have had that meeting with Fuentes last week and that he should apologize for it ever happening.
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you know its getting bad when his old number 2 is like bad optics
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Never really been a fan of Pence but I do respect him for doing his job and standing up for what he believes in. Trump really needs to stop worrying about pissing off the neo-nazis in order to gain their vote. It's really not worth it.

And of course on the subject of the files. He admitted that he took them. If the head guy looking into this wanted he could take that tweet, or whatever it was, copy it out, and stick that as a piece of evidence. Then when Trump hits the stand, assuming it goes that far, they'll have evidence he knowingly took the files because he admitted to it.
 
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Random Internet Person said:
You think he’s in to deep with that crowd?
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He waffled when it came to calling them out after that inbred hick in Charlottesville mowed down a bunch of protestors with his car. Instead of immediately saying that it was wrong he blamed "both sides" and didn't say much about the white supremacist vote. Then, like two days later, when even he couldn't stand the constant calls to deny the neo-nazis he read a prepared speech on it denouncing them.

But the damage was already done. Those that were on the white supremacist side of things took his lack of response and the blaming of both sides as an example that he agreed with them.

Had he denounced them immediately or had he said things like he didn't want to see Confederate flags, Nazi imagery or anything like that at his rallies that would have been something. But he never really did. Either he thought it wasn't that big a deal or that he didn't really care if he got those votes so long as he won.

Now he's claiming that he had no idea who the guys were, that Kanye showed up unannounced with his friends and so on. Trump would willingly kick anybody under the bus if it meant he was in the clear.

Gone Ham said:
Without a doubt. But Zion Don realized it wouldn’t go well
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Considering his favorite child converted to Judaism and he seemingly likes his son-in-law he doesn't seem to hate the Jews. But at the same time he's said things like the only people he wants counting his money are Jews. So... back handed complement?
 
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Falcon Sebben said:
He waffled when it came to calling them out after that inbred hick in Charlottesville mowed down a bunch of protestors with his car.
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Then you got folks saying that he was provoked and shouldn’t be in jail for the rest of his life. What real guys that MAGA are saying are wrongfully incarcerated.

Falcon Sebben said:
Considering his favorite child converted to Judaism and he seemingly likes his son-in-law he doesn't seem to hate the Jews. But at the same time he's said things like the only people he wants counting his money are Jews. So... back handed complement?
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And moved the Israeli embassy to Jerusalem, which he also recognized as the capital of Israel.

And he sees things like Peter Griffin.
 
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And moved the Israeli embassy to Jerusalem, which he also recognized as the capital of Israel.
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I think part of that is due to the Republican desire that all Jews go back to Israel. Jesus supposedly can't come back until this happens so in their eyes it's now one step closer.


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Then you got folks saying that he was provoked and shouldn’t be in jail for the rest of his life.
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And you have folks saying that Hillary was a hologram, that whenever there's a tape of somebody on their side saying something bad it's a clone or it's a deep fake and so on. The MAGA types are in the tank for Trump and nothing will bring them out of that. It's just who they are.

Fact is he still killed a couple and injured a whole load of others. Even if he was provoked into it that didn't give him the right to plow into that crowd.
 
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Fwiffo said:
If Obama ever openly talked about voiding parts of the constitution like this, there would have been blood in the streets.
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Hell if Obama ever did half the things Trump did he'd have been impeached and thrown out to the wolves. And yet the biggest scandals around him were all manufactured.

He wanted dijon mustard on a burger. Scandalous. He smoked one cigarette a night! Outrageous! He dared to wear a tan suit once. And, he had the audacity to salute a Marine while holding a latte. Something that the President isn't even supposed to do in the first place.

Fact is a lot of the Republican faithful, and the Democrats as well, will attack what the other guy does and will forgive what their guy does even if it's the same thing. You ask anybody on the right who thinks Obama should have been impeached over... whatever and then when they say yes ask if they'd have Trump impeached over the same thing. If they say no then they're not worth your time.
 
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