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[quaawaa]

I just realized it's funny they tout walkable cities as places where you never have to wait in traffic (doubtful but taking it for sake of argument) and Disneyland as a model walkable "city", when you still have to wait in the lines at Disneyland. And those wait times get extremely long in no small part due to what is arguably Disneyland's congestion pricing, FastPass (good video on the problems with FastPass here).

And they’re miserable that they have to pay admission just to wait in lines and that the rich can pay more to skip them, despite applauding that policy when applied to roads. Not so fun when the “carbrain” isn’t the one suffering, is it?

JuSt oNe mOrE rIdE will shorten the lines!
It unironically would improve it as adding lanes, contrary to the propaganda, actually reduces congestion.

 

[Montalbane]

And even still it can't hold the weight they apply - there's a fee to be there in the first place
It'd be funny if they eveentually literally made it italian disneyland - nothing but attractions and shopping, maybe a hotel, bunch of airbnbs, and nothing a local would touch

Venice Will Soon Have a Tourist Fee for Day-trippers — What to Know If You're Visiting

Day-trippers will have to sign up online the day they plan to visit and pay a fee ranging from 3 euros to 10 euros per person.

www.travelandleisure.com

Its almost already like that

PL but I go on daytrips to venice from time to time
Lovely to look at as a place and the naval museum is wonderful.
But its hardly representative of what the average veneto likes or is like.

Padova is a far better example and it almost looks like detroit.

Also I am fairly sure Veneto has one of the best car infrastructures in italy.
From 3 to 4 lane highways.
Plenty of parking and whatnot.

 

[quaawaa]

Wendover Productions recently made a video about Florida including Cape Coral, I'm guessing this latest batch of retardation is from that. Seeing urbanist discourse about boats of all fucking things borders on parody but you know these people are 100% serious.

You're right:


A YouTube comment from someone who claims to have lived there:

 

[Markass the Worst]

You're right:
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A YouTube comment from someone who claims to have lived there:
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I agree with the commenter a bit, seemed like Wendover pushed the "it's just houses" point too much just so he could lean in the Florida-is-weird point a bit more. No need to do that when Florida (and Cape Coral) are already weird in their own right. Still a good video nonetheless and I'd take Wendover Productions any day over the bullshit urbanist youtubers constantly spew.

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Much-maligned CGP Grey released a video today about how airport codes are assigned. At 1:30 he throws a bone to the Holy Land and says the Amsterdam Schiphol airport is "so intermodally epic". It's marked as Filler/Tangent in Sponsorblock which I agree with.

Clip of just that part of the video:

I wonder if he's trying to claw back goodwill from urbanists, especially Adam Something viewers, who are still hounding him for daring to make the solution to traffic video 6 years ago. It won't work. They didn't back off when told he actually lives in London, rides a bike everywhere, doesn't own a car, and at one point didn't drive for around a decade because he got into a car accident, why would they do it now?

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Cow crossover, this time it's Destiny aka Steven Bonnell II. He went on Bryan Callen's podcast and seems to have fully swallowed the urbanist memes about 'mixed use' zoning hook line and sinker, including idolizing Europe as some sort of walkable utopia where everyone cycles and nobody drives.

Clip of just that part of the podcast:

I haven't watched Destiny's thread for a while but I've read enough to know to not take anything he says seriously.

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Jason fully admits he's a snarky prick in his videos to drive people away who disagree with him.


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And tells a viewer go fuck yourself when called out on it.


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I don't have anything to add, this speaks for itself.

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Speaking of criticism, Jason Slaughter's holy shrine was criticized by none other than a disabled person in a wheelchair. Urbanists always like to counter the objection that disabled people need to get around with cars with "um, ackshually, cars bad for disabled people, walking and cycling better" but there's a whole ass thread by an actual disabled person complaining about Amsterdam.



It's a long thread so I won't screencap it, but if you read through it's clear as day it talks about every part of the city, from the cycling infrastructure to crossing the street to buses, trams and metros. So how does Jason respond to this?


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Even when I take the thread with a grain of salt, it's completely clear Jason either didn't read the thread, or read it and ignored all the criticism, because the thread talks about the entire city and not just the canals.

It just goes to show Jason doesn't actually believe his principles or doesn't apply them beyond "Netherlands good, America and Canada bad." You would think he would agree and say Amsterdam needs to do better for wheelchair users, especially since he's always going on about how he wants to amplify other voices in the urbanism space, but apparently if people criticize the Netherlands it's verboten and something he won't listen to.

 

[Chuck McGill]

Disneyland and college campuses are both held up as "muh car-free/reduced world" but both of those are relatively small dots in a functional city around them, and you'd have to be blind (even as an insulated college student) to not notice the swirling vortex of traffic around it, getting unbearable at rush hours, not to mention the truck traffic that both require. And both have huge lots and parking garages.

If they truly want a car-free area without garages or road infrastructure, I've got some fishing villages in Louisiana and Alaska to show them.

It's cute that these people attribute walkability as the reason those places are so pleasant. The actual reason is one that most of the guilty libs over at fuckcars would be reticent to accept: gatekeeping. College campuses large enough to have on-site dormitories are likely to be large, expensive institutions. Thus it stands to reason that this financial cost filters out a good deal of the riffraff that would turn such an experience into an unlivable nightmare. Imagine if your college campus had five joggers sleeping outside of every building begging for fentanyl money. Suddenly not such a desirable option now is it?

In the case of Disneyland the answer boils down to this, with an added factor of novelty and intense social engineering. Ask anyone that's worked at one of the parks, Disney is doing absolutely everything they can to artificially engineer a pleasant environment to massage more money out of your wallets. There are plainclothes security present to round up any troublemakers quickly and quietly, they pump pleasant smells into different areas of the park to make you hungry. They used forced perspective to make things appear larger or smaller than they actually are. Even if your heckin' walkable city included all of the listed features, the novelty would wear off fast. You're going to notice you always seem to smell cookies when you walk past the bakery. The charm will wear off fast and I promise you the heckin' walkability won't bring it back.

 

[quaawaa]

Urbanists always like to counter the objection that disabled people need to get around with cars with "um, ackshually, cars bad for disabled people, walking and cycling better" but there's a whole ass thread by an actual disabled person complaining about Amsterdam.

The ADA and Europe’s sheer number of historic areas means that the US is actually one of the best places in the world to live if you’re disabled.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

It's cute that these people attribute walkability as the reason those places are so pleasant. The actual reason is one that most of the guilty libs over at fuckcars would be reticent to accept: gatekeeping. College campuses large enough to have on-site dormitories are likely to be large, expensive institutions. Thus it stands to reason that this financial cost filters out a good deal of the riffraff that would turn such an experience into an unlivable nightmare. Imagine if your college campus had five joggers sleeping outside of every building begging for fentanyl money. Suddenly not such a desirable option now is it?

It's not just the financial cost, colleges offer students a community of people with similar values and culture. They dare not speak of this out loud in the current circles, it's something everyone really desires, but whites can't say it. Especially left-wing whites.

Even when I take the thread with a grain of salt, it's completely clear Jason either didn't read the thread, or read it and ignored all the criticism, because the thread talks about the entire city and not just the canals.

It just goes to show Jason doesn't actually believe his principles or doesn't apply them beyond "Netherlands good, America and Canada bad." You would think he would agree and say Amsterdam needs to do better for wheelchair users, especially since he's always going on about how he wants to amplify other voices in the urbanism space, but apparently if people criticize the Netherlands it's verboten and something he won't listen to.

It's clear from his other interactions he's a massive douchebag who talks big but just resorts to namecalling when he senses an argument he can't fight, but him going on for years about "Amsterdam" as "the core of the city with canals and more of a bike/pedestrian focus" and then suddenly backpedaling as "well, not THAT part of Amsterdam" shows what a disingenuous weasel he really is.

It's funny how they hold up Disneyland as being some great example of cities, because they seem to view cities in the shallow, superficial way that movies and theme parks show: Houston isn't just all sprawl, Venice isn't all canals, and New York isn't just Manhattan.

It's one thing as pop culture--we've all seen the movies and have the images in our head of the Hollywood romanticized Europe..."jolly old London", baguettes and berets in Paris, old-fashioned German villages with beer steins, Venice with gondoliers singing serenades. It's another thing for people who think they're smart try to hold up these largely fictionalized cities as an "ideal" living situation.

 

[SocialDislocationAuto]

which is amusing, because the best freight railways BY FAR are in the old US of A. Europe can't even compete (though they do have closer ship access for much of the land).

And freight trains suck diesel I bet with a catalyst these days while the freighters burn sooty bunker c

 

[SocialDislocationAuto]

This isn't technically from notjustbikes, but it might as well be. It's from an "engineer" that reddit and youtube loves to promote. His insights into how we would fare with no electricity is infuriating to say the least. Just like the redditors for /r/fuckcars this guy believes everybody is as stupid as he is and cars are not a great asset.

If you don't want to watch It's basically cars no go in black out since all stations and fuel suppliers in general just stop working.
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his channel if you want to subject yourself

https://www.youtube.com/@PracticalEngineeringChannel

>distilling 190 proof shine over a campfire isn't hard
>the head of moonshine is methanol, high test race gas
>car can also run on ethanol, the shit you drink

Learn to tune a carb for alcohol, faggot

 

[quaawaa]

A mom tells her dumbass son not to sell his car and buy a SIX THOUSAND DOLLAR bicycle:



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From his post history, he lives in Raleigh, North Carolina. A car is definitely faster in that city than an e-bike. Talking about how bikes are faster in "most cities" is irrelevant if its not faster in the city you actually live in.

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/r/fuckcars believes the economy will decline so much that people can no longer afford cars:

I know their WEF masters want that, but why would a non-elite want that to happen?

Car companies will be forced to become home renovation companies:

I love how that guy acts like A/C and insulation are some new innovation and all the carbrains will be forced to sell their cars to pay for them.



Cities are apparently going bankrupt:

Someone asks for a list of cities have gone bankrupt, gets downvoted and told to read Strong Towns instead:


Not a single city on that list (archive) went bankrupt due to the cost of sprawl, and it's clear that he just googled "cities that went bankrupt" and took the first result. One of the cities on that list is a small town that went bankrupt after the state government banned speed traps, which is where they got all of their money from.

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[Markass the Worst]

A mom tells her dumbass son not to sell his car and buy a SIX THOUSAND DOLLAR bicycle:



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From his post history, he lives in Raleigh, North Carolina. A car is definitely faster in that city than an e-bike. Talking about how bikes are faster in "most cities" is irrelevant if its not faster in the city you actually live in.

I love how a common talking point is that e-bikes go up to $1,000 at most and they're way cheaper than cars. Meanwhile this kid wants to buy a bicycle that's six thousand dollars. At that price you could definitely get a good used car (nevermind he already has one and doesn't need an e-bike).

Someone asks for a list of cities have gone bankrupt, gets downvoted and told to read Strong Towns instead:

This is always the problem with these people. They argue in vague absolutes and say things like "cities are financially insolvent!" Then when you ask for specific details suddenly they can't name the cities in question and the ones they do name are wrong or don't support the argument. It's like "KiwiFarms doxxxes and kills people!" then when asked who KiwiFarms killed they answer nothing or Byuu/Chloe/Julie who we had nothing to do with.

Love how fuckcars takes "no levels of government are doing great these days in terms of finances" as a win for his argument when his argument is that cars are responsible. If you claim X happened due to Y, you have to rule out other confounders that could explain the same thing (like inflation, recession, unemployment, etc.) but it's clear fuckcars is not well versed in logic and reasoning.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

I love how a common talking point is that e-bikes go up to $1,000 at most and they're way cheaper than cars. Meanwhile this kid wants to buy a bicycle that's six thousand dollars. At that price you could definitely get a good used car (nevermind he already has one and doesn't need an e-bike).

Can't wait till that kid is complaining in 2-3 weeks when his $6,000 e-bike is stolen by niggers in Raleigh.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Can't wait till that kid is complaining in 2-3 weeks when his $6,000 e-bike is stolen by niggers in Raleigh.

When you start talking about four-figure bicycles, your "but it's cheaper than a car" arguments start to evaporate, and of course with that $6000 comes maintenance and you're probably going to consider insurance for that too.

Most of these $1000+ bicycles and the lycra-clad riders are people who do own cars, already make six figures anyway, and live in a real house. They're part of the reason real people hate cyclists and they probably do larp on /r/fuckcars or whatever, but recognizing the difference between "getting around the city on a budget" and "expensive toys for the wealthy" is an important life skill.

 

[Quixotic Man]

Don't buy a 6000 dollar bike. And if you must for some reason, buy insurance on it.
All it takes is one urban individual with some bolt cutters, and your investment is gone. Even the best locks can be overcome with the right hardware, and no one is going to stop them because no one likes being stabbed.

 

[Meriasek]

When you start talking about four-figure bicycles, your "but it's cheaper than a car" arguments start to evaporate, and of course with that $6000 comes maintenance and you're probably going to consider insurance for that too.

Most of these $1000+ bicycles and the lycra-clad riders are people who do own cars, already make six figures anyway, and live in a real house. They're part of the reason real people hate cyclists and they probably do larp on /r/fuckcars or whatever, but recognizing the difference between "getting around the city on a budget" and "expensive toys for the wealthy" is an important life skill.

Seriously. Raleigh looks pretty flat, too, why would he even need a super expensive e-bike, the lazy cunt?

 

[DavidS877]

When you start talking about four-figure bicycles, your "but it's cheaper than a car" arguments start to evaporate, and of course with that $6000 comes maintenance and you're probably going to consider insurance for that too.

Most of these $1000+ bicycles and the lycra-clad riders are people who do own cars, already make six figures anyway, and live in a real house. They're part of the reason real people hate cyclists and they probably do larp on /r/fuckcars or whatever, but recognizing the difference between "getting around the city on a budget" and "expensive toys for the wealthy" is an important life skill.

The funniest thing is that the people with the $1000+ bikes don't ride them in the cities. They drive out into the country with them strapped to their car and then park and then ride their bike along our narrow curvy roads with no bike lanes or other infrastructure and then drive home. Fuckers.

 

[Chuck McGill]

I love how a common talking point is that e-bikes go up to $1,000 at most and they're way cheaper than cars. Meanwhile this kid wants to buy a bicycle that's six thousand dollars. At that price you could definitely get a good used car (nevermind he already has one and doesn't need an e-bike).


This is always the problem with these people. They argue in vague absolutes and say things like "cities are financially insolvent!" Then when you ask for specific details suddenly they can't name the cities in question and the ones they do name are wrong or don't support the argument. It's like "KiwiFarms doxxxes and kills people!" then when asked who KiwiFarms killed they answer nothing or Byuu/Chloe/Julie who we had nothing to do with.


Love how fuckcars takes "no levels of government are doing great these days in terms of finances" as a win for his argument when his argument is that cars are responsible. If you claim X happened due to Y, you have to rule out other confounders that could explain the same thing (like inflation, recession, unemployment, etc.) but it's clear fuckcars is not well versed in logic and reasoning.

I'd lay down money that his mother lives in another city and is attempting to covertly tell him "if you turn into a bike-riding fairy I'll have no way of seeing you again." Reddit being reddit, they interpret this show of parental concern as "lol le heckin carbrain"

I fucking hate redditors so much it's unreal. Whenever there's the slightest bit of friction in a relationship their universal answer is "just cut them out lol". I'm probably risking catching some top hats but these people need to start being introduced to the business end of a shotgun when they start mucking around in someone else's life.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

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I know their WEF masters want that, but why would a non-elite want that to happen?

At this point, I'm not sure. You can look at the and think, "Well I think you're dumb for paying out the nose for some urban shithole and now are griping about how shoddy it is to get around with public transportation and a bicycle, but whatever dude, I'm not going to tell you how to live". Different people put value on different things, especially when those things are on a budget. The size of your house, the quality of your food, the temperature you set the thermostat on, what services you subscribe to. So they might put all their value into real estate and the trendiest, hippest area, while you might live in a less-expensive apartment on the edge of town, but at least you have enough money for a car.

The problem is, the feeling is not mutual. As smug and obnoxious as they are, your garden-variety bugman would be quite happy if they had their little "heckin' walkable neighborhood", but these people will not settle for that. They do not just want their "heckin' walkable neighborhood", they believe that you need to pay "your fair share" for a car and a house with a yard (hence the "reeeee we're subsidizing you" rhetoric); i.e. making it more expensive. They cannot stand for your way of life at any cost.

And if they get their way, who will still have access to the cars, the houses, the meat? The elite, of course! There is no way they're completely unwittingly simping for the WEF.

 

[2lolis1cup]

I've found a solution for those that are against the "car brains". It's a bicycle that you can get places quickly with little effort. It even fits on buses and trains!

Slight issues with carbon emissions.


I decided to look at the retard portal and found this gem.




This isn't from there but should be.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

The funniest thing is that the people with the $1000+ bikes don't ride them in the cities. They drive out into the country with them strapped to their car and then park and then ride their bike along our narrow curvy roads with no bike lanes or other infrastructure and then drive home. Fuckers.

Fucking this. During my yearly trips to the states I live in a rural southern community about an hour from a metro area. The road that connects them is locally known as being dangerous for its curves and narrow lanes, compounded by a 55mph speed limit. Many people have died (one I knew personally) because they think ‘55? Lol more like 70 amirite?’ and fly off of, or smash into another vehicle while coming around a curve that honestly shouldn’t have a posted limit faster than 45. Oh and let’s not forget about the wildlife, there have been collisions with deer too numerous to count, people drive on each other’s ass and end up having pile ups, because this time of the year Bambi has a bad case of cum-brain and is too preoccupied with the smell of doe-in-heat to notice a truck barreling at him doing 65+.

Now anyone want to guess what the favorite road for (packs of) cyclist is? Is it the one on the outskirts of the city with designated cycle lanes? Is it the 10+ mile scenic shared road through the Garden District? No, of course not. Why would it be? The fact that a group of spandex clad cyclists hasn’t been plowed by a lorry hauling cotton to market yet is amazing. I’ve bemoaned this to my London friends and they’re like ‘just share the road lol’.