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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Upon further thought, my personal theory is that Russia has been welding problem children from mobik and/or convict formations into some of those old "upgraded" T-62s, with the promise that they would be cut free or forgiven if the crew succeeded/survived the engagement.

But Russia is trying to get ahead of the story by claiming burnt out tanks with welded hatches are Ukrainian & not their own.


They also keep asses warm, which is probably a bigger consideration right now than keeping them clean (except in the summer). And I've noticed that only a few Russians have them (or have made their own), when they've been a common thing with Ukrainians since the beginning.

Yuri also mentioned he's going to try and rock dual BMGs when his primary M2 is replaced.

That was my biggest wet dream downrange when I was on our convoy & QRF guntrucks, but the company supply NCOIC & armorer wasn't nearly that persuadable or friendly. Top & even CO would've totally let me do it if I could've sourced the parts & second M2 from somewhere. I know, because I asked. Multiple times.
"This but on my Toyota please"
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LOL what a Pootaboo.
I espeically love that his peace proposal is, in exchange for giving Putin these areas that he claims a year later are the best parts of Ukraine (95% of the GDP!) The US will be super angry if they cross the Dnieper. and when Russia does it, the US will respond with.... oh, nothing beause the US removes their European forces.
Jesus Christ.
 
For something so simple, cheap, and seemingly obvious to make such a difference in winter, it's got to be galling for Russian troops that they don't even rate for ass-cushions. Especially so if every other cursed hohol has their own ass-cushion.
An ass cushion would get in the way of raping Private Conskriptovich.
 
New Perun.

I appreciate that even when I disagree with him, he's at least well reasoned. He also is very balanced, acknowledging Ukraine's logistical fuck ups like not rotating troops, and calling out the Yookniks for "LOL 300 million russians will die when winter starts, they are back to stone age tech level because T-72"

While WWII actions were done with 1940's equipment, they were also done with 1940s men against 1940s equipment. While they had 1940's logistics, they also had 1940s logistics requirements.

Winter disproportionately favors a prepared defender, since you can fight back from static shelter that will presumably be warmer and hoepfully drier than the area around. Tanks and artillery in 1940s had shorter ranges, worse fuel economy, less destructive and usually lower rates of fire, to speak nothing of communications.

Additionally, people have now grown up with very effective temperature control. Not that heating is a new invention, nor is insulated clothing, but old houses are drafty as shit and there is a wide tempurature difference between "survivable" and "comfortable". Yes, you can acclimate troops to cold conditions, but there is no substitute for 20-40 years of living at the mercy of the elements when it comes to this sort of thing. A large part of this mental, but there is a physiological component too - your body will adapt capilaries and fat distribution.

I'm now less certain that Ukraine will hunker down, since the time for building hunker down defenses has passed, but I think their operations will be limited, more costly in terms of men and equipment. Again, Ukraine has advanced their front through whole oblasts in some cases. And they need to rebuild Kherson to be habitable. That is a lot of catch up for logistics.

OTOH, if ukraine could hammer Russian logistics now.. whew lad.

In anycase, he's right that peace talks now are completely stupid. Putin hasn't punished his country nearly enough.
 
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OTOH, if ukraine could hammer Russian logistics now.. whew lad.
It's certain they're pursuing an aggressive strategy in that direction. Nearly every time I look at liveuamap, there's a report of a russian ammo dump exploding somewhere in the occupied territories. Even possibly in Russia itself.
 
Was made aware earlier today that propaganda was pushing this shit, it's absurd. If this was done to you, would you ride all the way to the frontlines or try to run over whoever welded you in?
And why not just show it? Probably because it's not true.

it's the same kind of propaganda as the stories about pravy sektor death squads constantly shooting ukr soldiers dead on the spot for trying to retreat from the front.
the point is to push the "look at how cruel and ruthless those evil ukronazis are!" narrative that has been one of the main narratives from the russian side throughout the war.

I know this is literal Allied propaganda, but I found it interesting that they specify that the Japs took control of the Chinese transportation corridors but they didn't really have the manpower to subjugate the countryside.

Australians kept and used personal firearms then, no?

I've never been there but I get the strong impression that they're a freedom-loving people who are fine having a king on the other side of the world but who would most definitely not be fine having Jap guards on every corner and bowing to a Jap emperor.
they couldn't subjugate the chinese countryside because chinas population is 10 times larger than japans. with australia it would have been the other way round.
 
It's certain they're pursuing an aggressive strategy in that direction. Nearly every time I look at liveuamap, there's a report of a russian ammo dump exploding somewhere in the occupied territories. Even possibly in Russia itself.

Ammo dumps are cool and all, but I would be more excited if they were fucking with fuel, food, and gear resupply. General Winter about to have a field day.
Again, on both sides, but while the treatment will be equal I don't think the results will be. The Ukrainian army has been cleaning house on their officer corps from what I've seen, and officers with attitudes about their soldiers as 'meat' have been removed from command.
 
they couldn't subjugate the chinese countryside because chinas population is 10 times larger than japans. with australia it would have been the other way round.

30 million vs 7 million my dude, and that 7 million is a long ass ways away. Add in about 2 million from New Zealand too. This also wouldn't be like the East India company rolling India due to internal divisions and a technology gap, or Japan rolling china because outside of a few Royal Guard units china was still issuing soldiers pikes. This would be peer players with Australia united in resistance.

Again, the nips fought like hell and if they hadn't been tied up in China, Manchuria (korea), the near entirity of SEA, Phillipines, all of Oceania, they might have been able to pull it off. But they wouldn't have been able to commit the troops needed unless they abandoned all of their other holdings, and then would have had to keep the US/UK from being able to land troops.
Even if Japan had invaded successfully, holding it would have ruined them.
 
Ammo dumps are cool and all, but I would be more excited if they were fucking with fuel, food, and gear resupply. General Winter about to have a field day.
UAF have been fucking and when possible capturing those ever since February 2022. They just not as news flashy as blowing up and capturing ammo dumps.
For sites within Russia itself, Ukrainian and allied forces been extremely careful to target more military related facilities including fuel sites. And been mostly avoiding dual-use and more civilian oriented stuff, as it is in Ukraine interest to keep this a "Putin's war" instead of risking it turning into "Russia's War."
 
UAF have been fucking and when possible capturing those ever since February 2022. They just not as news flashy as blowing up and capturing ammo dumps.
For sites within Russia itself, Ukrainian and allied forces been extremely careful to target more military related facilities including fuel sites. And been mostly avoiding dual-use and more civilian oriented stuff, as it is in Ukraine interest to keep this a "Putin's war" instead of risking it turning into "Russia's War."
There's been an awful lot of fires on fuel-related facilities in Russia lately compared to usual, too many to chalk it up to smoking accidents.
 
Even if Japan had invaded successfully, holding it would have ruined them.
16,000 miles of coast and 30 decent ports. The entire Japanese Navy couldn't stop the UK from landing somewhere. Let alone a joint task force.
Its a really weird explosion. Almost looks like something hit it from above.
If I didn't know it was basically impossible, I'd say that's a shack from a laser guided bomb.
 
Helicopter, reportedly a Ka-52 Alligator, shot down southwest of Zaporizhia.

Its a really weird explosion. Almost looks like something hit it from above.
If it was a MANPADS, either the camera & missile were at 12 & 6 from each other when it hit, or the shot didn't initially track & was reacquired by launcher or missile at the helo's altitude. Possibly something like Starstreak.

But given the distance, angle, & shape of the blast, I'd say it was more likely an actual SAM.

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