Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

Are u woke enough for this game?

  • Hell yeah, I want play it with my wife's son

    Votes: 169 9.4%
  • Nope, I need to suck more girlcock first

    Votes: 389 21.7%
  • Yasss, I identify as an autistic dwarf of color

    Votes: 376 21.0%
  • Nah, I rather play Fallout76

    Votes: 855 47.8%

  • Total voters
    1,790
Five years on and this shit still isn't out? Oh, there's no way it's going to recoup development costs.

I legit hate poorly planned development cycles like this. So wasteful, so indulgent and almost never reflected in the actual product.
The worst part is this isn't Bioware's first rodeo with drawn out development cycles. You'd think they learnt something from Anthem's absolute colossal failure.
 
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Five years on and this shit still isn't out? Oh, there's no way it's going to recoup development costs.

I legit hate poorly planned development cycles like this. So wasteful, so indulgent and almost never reflected in the actual product.

It is, in fact, nine years since Inquisition in 2023.
 
Well, there was a small boom since then, and crpgs with top-down perspective became rather numerous over the last years.
Not exactly the same as origins, but if you like RPGs with good characters and great tactical gameplay, go for Divinity Original Sin 2, it is hands down the best overall of the genre.
Alternatively, the Pathfinder games by Owlcat are great too, but play much slower. Wrath of the Righteous is really quite good, and you can play many weird progression paths, from avenging Angel crusading for great justice, to a literal swarm of bugs that consumes everything.

Yeah, Owlcat's Pathfinder (and upcoming WH4K) games, Larian's Divinity II: Original Sin, and Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity games (I didn't really like them but they tend to be divisive, so you might) and Tyranny are the ones that spring to mind. They're all CRPGs with a focus on narrative, questing, and companions.

Larian's Baldur's Gate III is shaping up well (supposed to be released sometime next year) and will likely best fill the niche left by old BioWare.
Thanks both. So I've actually played the Divinity II game and not finished it. I found the humour in it very off-putting. If it's the one I'm thinking of. There were giggling skull bombs. I liked the fact things interacted with the environment in interesting ways but I just couldn't get into the game. The Pillars of Eternity I played through the first and did enjoy. But the second didn't grab me and it was the same with Tyranny.

I hadn't heard at all about the Pathfinder games. Looks like they could be fun. And Holy Crap they're doing a Rogue Trader RPG? Okay - think I pretty much have to buy this. Cheers!

EDIT: Oh fuck me! Not only do you have Xenos party members but in the same party as a Sister of Battle. Ow! Right in the Lore!
 
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EDIT: Oh fuck me! Not only do you have Xenos party members but in the same party as a Sister of Battle. Ow! Right in the Lore!
Owlcat's pretty good at letting you choose your own content (you can kill or abandon most party members in the Pathfinder games) and making a lot of different pieces of content mutually exclusive.
 
EDIT: Oh fuck me! Not only do you have Xenos party members but in the same party as a Sister of Battle. Ow! Right in the Lore!
Nah Rogue Traders operate heavily outside of Imperial authority and are known to have limited numbers of Xenos mercenaries, imperial outcasts, even some of the more permissive Space Marines aboard. If a Sister had a reason or was hiding from something its entirely possible.
 
Yeah, but they didn't immediately go back into it, they went off to make Mass Effect 3 and Anthem first.

It's been in development since 2015. Andromeda and Anthem were different teams, I believe, though I seem to remember Dragon Age people being yanked to work on Anthem because it was such a mess. Dragon Age 4 has been in development so long that an early build (supposedly focused on heists) was reportedly torn down to the foundations and started over from scratch.

To anyone who remembers the autopsy on ME: Andromeda, this is very much not good news.
 
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It's been in development since 2015. Andromeda and Anthem were different teams, I believe, though I seem to remember Dragon Age people being yanked to work on Anthem because it was such a mess. Dragon Age 4 has been in development so long that an early build (supposedly focused on heists) was reportedly torn down to the foundations and started over from scratch.

To anyone who remembers the autopsy on ME: Andromeda, this is very much not good news.
I thought that the game was rebooted so hard that it was a different project entirely. If I'm not wrong then its actually double fucked. What an utter embarrassment. Heads should have rolled at Bioware long ago and, if anything, I am even more shocked now that leadership wasn't rounded up and executed after Anthem's official failure.
 
Owlcat's pretty good at letting you choose your own content (you can kill or abandon most party members in the Pathfinder games) and making a lot of different pieces of content mutually exclusive.
Didn't their Pathfinder game have SocJus elements? Nothing puts me off more from RPGs than ridiculous parallel to trannies/gays or sticking sheboons as a noble good authority figure
 
Didn't their Pathfinder game have SocJus elements? Nothing puts me off more from RPGs than ridiculous parallel to trannies/gays or sticking sheboons as a noble good authority figure
A bit, though some of it is from the source material (Paizo is big on that stuff) and you can outright kill any gay companion if you really wanted to. It's typically handled in a way that you'd have to search for it.
 
A bit, though some of it is from the source material (Paizo is big on that stuff) and you can outright kill any gay companion if you really wanted to. It's typically handled in a way that you'd have to search for it.
There's probably a mod to fix it but dear god looking for mods is so pozzed.
 
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I hadn't heard at all about the Pathfinder games. Looks like they could be fun. And Holy Crap they're doing a Rogue Trader RPG? Okay - think I pretty much have to buy this. Cheers!

EDIT: Oh fuck me! Not only do you have Xenos party members but in the same party as a Sister of Battle. Ow! Right in the Lore!
Don't get too hyped. Owlcat games opens their games super broken on release. Like unplayable bugs that lock your game if you don't have an earlier save to unfuck it. They're on the same league as Bugthesda really.
 
A bit, though some of it is from the source material (Paizo is big on that stuff) and you can outright kill any gay companion if you really wanted to. It's typically handled in a way that you'd have to search for it.
I mean, your primary liaison in the first half is a female half-orc paladin who sold her sword to buy a potion of sex change for her tranny wife. Those two are unavoidable and I hated their incompetent guts from start to finish.
The "good" characters in wrath are often so monumentally stupid and incompetent compared to the evil ones that I almost suspect that owlcat is secretely taking the piss out of the source material.
 
primary liaison in the first half is a female half-orc paladin
Who you can constantly berate and call useless (she even has a hidden 'confidence' stat that can lead to her death if you shit talk her enough). I *think* she's also one of the victims you can eat if you go the Swarm path.
buy a potion of sex change for her tranny wife.
I guarantee you that 99.9999% of the people who played the game wouldn't even know about it if they hadn't read about it online; the single conversation about it is hidden behind a variety of stat & skill checks spread throughout the game.

Incidentally both of those characters are from the original campaign and were created by one of the lead writers of Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear.
 
There's probably a mod to fix it but dear god looking for mods is so pozzed.
I read the Nexus mods thread, and was just thinking, "All I want is to be able to take out troonshit from any game that has it." In games I'd want to play, most of it's just removing a line or two of dialogue or changing an image here or there because it's just surface pandering, but apparently being able to find those mods is a sign of evil.

I got very bored halfway through DA: O, so I'm more reading this thread for the trashfire, just wanted to sympathise with this particular issue.
 
I mean, your primary liaison in the first half is a female half-orc paladin who sold her sword to buy a potion of sex change for her tranny wife. Those two are unavoidable and I hated their incompetent guts from start to finish.
That's in the adventure module they adapt the game from. Amber E. Scott was the writer and she's notorious for adding troon shit in everything. Like that Baldur's Gate expansion from a couple of years ago.
 
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I'm glad they went with Adam Howden as opposed to Greg Ellis because the later is a mentally ill schizo. Cullen is ruined.

Oh god if they bring Krap back-I mean Kreme, you just know they're gonna axe Jennifer and recast with a troon or some non binary asshat because wokeness in vidya gaymes now.
Wait, what’s wrong with Ellis again? I know he got falsely MeToo’d by his ex-wife and had a severe mental breakdown, but is that his own doing?

Five years on and this shit still isn't out? Oh, there's no way it's going to recoup development costs.

I legit hate poorly planned development cycles like this. So wasteful, so indulgent and almost never reflected in the actual product.
It's been in development since 2015. Andromeda and Anthem were different teams, I believe, though I seem to remember Dragon Age people being yanked to work on Anthem because it was such a mess. Dragon Age 4 has been in development so long that an early build (supposedly focused on heists) was reportedly torn down to the foundations and started over from scratch.

To anyone who remembers the autopsy on ME: Andromeda, this is very much not good news.
The worst part is that there was clearly a waste of time and resources since they gave up on both Mass Effect: Andromeda and Anthem pretty early. Whether it’s by EA or by the social justice brigade, BioWare has been ruined.

Or course, it should be noted that the development of Origins was also around seven years.
 
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Ellis did more than that. To the point that Bioware told him in no uncertain terms that he would never be allowed back into any of their projects.
 
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