James Cameron's Avatar to get four sequels - The message will still be the same

[Krokodil Overdose]

Hollywood passion projects are routinely shit. The worst ones are actor based projects, but with directors it's a lot of time a book they try to force into a film. Avatar... Would have been a terrible book by how lazy, uninspired and fetishistic it is, cutting it down to 2.5 hours at least had an eye candy and a sane length, but it very well have been the herald of Hollywood culture dying for the past decade+

I dunno, isn't Passion of the Christ still the most successful independent movie of all time?

Pain& Gain was pretty solid too. I think it's less passion projects per se than passion projects the creator can't articulate properly.

 

[Prosphora]

I just got done watching it. For a total autism project i expected far, far worse than what we actually got. From my perspective i would have no problem giving the movie in the range of 7.5, while true as others have pointed out the movie is heavy handed with its commentary on society and ecology. I would say it was to be expected from the first one.

 

[TVB]

I dunno, isn't Passion of the Christ still the most successful independent movie of all time?

Pain& Gain was pretty solid too. I think it's less passion projects per se than passion projects the creator can't articulate properly.

I'd say either found footage movies The Blair Witch Project, Cloverfield, Paranormal Activity and Chronicle are successful independent movies (albeit funded by major film studios). Oh, and I do love Pain & Gain.

I do say that Nobody was also a great movie, and it wasn't really intended to be some sort of passion project. Well, unless if you count Bob Odenkirk's tongue-n-cheek acting abilities, but whatever.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

I'd say either found footage movies The Blair Witch Project, Cloverfield, Paranormal Activity and Chronicle are successful independent movies (albeit funded by major film studios). Oh, and I do love Pain & Gain.

Found footage is in the same category as early 2000s torture porn (Saw, Hostel, etc) in that they don't put up huge box office numbers, but can be made for the cost of a classic Doctor Who episode. As a result, they're moneymakers on the margin as opposed to volume- one of the reasons Joker was such as massive success is that it was made on the major studio version of a shoestring budget. If an MCU movie made Blair Witch 's box office, even adjusting for inflation, it wouldn't break even.

No Avatar movie will ever, ever be able to put up that kind of margin.

E: the reason Pain & Gain worked is because Michael Bay knows how to tell a story. It might be a stupid story featuring wall-to-wall Florida Men, but he still knows how to translate that into the media he wants. A lot of passion projects don't have leadership that capable.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The main thing what I always found repulsive about Avatar, is its message, which says, it's A-OK to throw away your humanity and completely betray your own species. I am not sure if it was intentional, a precursor of progressive lunacy, or just a colossal fuck up of the "white man falls in love with savage princess" trope. The trope only works, if the protagonist realizes the difference between him and the savages is purely superficial and ideological, everyone involved is human, so fighting is just a pointless waste of life. But in Avatar the savages are weird, alien, cat prople and humans can only interact with them, if they become creepy skinwalkers. Humanity is also on the verge of extinction, to survive, they need that unobtainium (real subtle James). Jake Sully's task is to find a peaceful way to obtain it, but he does fuck all to achieve this goal. He just falls in love with the blue chick, turns on humanity on a dime, essentially dooming it and IIRC manages to transfer his mind into his artificial na'vi body, killing his human self.
It promotes the dystopian nightmare the elites wish to achieve. You should inherently feel bad for existing, you should force yourself to live in a pod and escape into an artificial happy place, where you can be anything, but yourself. If you still cannot cope with your filthy existence, the state gladly euthonazis you. All this, to protect the holy environment.

That aspect is primarily if you know the "deep lore" that rather than Unobtanium is just shiny rocks , it's essential for space travel, so the hero withdrawing it would likely have lethal consequences in the millions (at least). Though the hero killing soldiers he served with is very sociopathic if you think about the fact he likely knew some of them.
But to be fair for the director, living in Hollywood probably makes you a sociopath that cares only about himself and doesn't consider people beneath him as human beings.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

Not even the San Francisco shitlibs can stand this film:

https://datebook.sfchronicle.com/movies-tv/review-james-camerons-ego-turns-avatar-the-way-of-water-into-endless-torture/amp

Pretty damning review form the SF Chronicle. They call it a one hour film spread into three hours.

 

[Manul Otocolobus]

So, it should only take him about 40 years to release the next 3 movies at the current cadence. I might just live long enough to see them all come out.

 

[Halmaz]

That aspect is primarily if you know the "deep lore" that rather than Unobtanium is just shiny rocks , it's essential for space travel

Uh, this just makes the entire premise even more stupid. I saw Avatar once, many years ago and I was under the impression Unobtainium is an extremely potent energy source (kinda like Nibbler's poop in Futurama) exclusive to planet Pandora. Now you are saying humans use it for space travel. So they already obtained it and just want more.
I never really understood why humanity in the movie is in trouble, if they have the technology to do FTL space transit, can reach other systems in the galaxy, able to create organic copies of alien species and remote mindcontrol them. One would think humanity would prosper, because it can finally expand to a new resource laden frontier.
I guess James was just suffering from Bush derangement syndrome at the time and had to shoehorn in a reference to America's war for oil.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Had an intrest in this movie but after Cameron's unhinged rants on how men are evil and testosterone is poison that needs to be purged from the body I decided to just wait for the torrent, comments here don't seem to be particularily impressed with it either so I don't think I'll miss much.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

That aspect is primarily if you know the "deep lore" that rather than Unobtanium is just shiny rocks , it's essential for space travel, so the hero withdrawing it would likely have lethal consequences in the millions (at least). Though the hero killing soldiers he served with is very sociopathic if you think about the fact he likely knew some of them.

Uh, this just makes the entire premise even more stupid. I saw Avatar once, many years ago and I was under the impression Unobtainium is an extremely potent energy source (kinda like Nibbler's poop in Futurama) exclusive to planet Pandora.

Unobdainum is a room temperature superconductor, not a superfuel. At least that's what it was last time I checked, I guess that can be useful for space travel but its not like existing spaceships are just going to stop working as if they ran out of gas without pandora.

 

[Halmaz]

Unobdainum is a room temperature superconductor, not a superfuel.

Thanks for the clarification. The fact it isn't even an energy source makes it an even shittier plot device. Now I seem to remember some smarmy, corporate side characters, who wanted to make big cash on the thingamajing. This makes the main motivation of the ebul hy00manz in the movie, just plain greed. Hell Avatar is even preachier than I remembered.

 

[Uranus Pink]

If they just made Neyteri tan, with white hair and just a straight up catgirl then I think there’d be actual fanboys of her; or at the very least, more people would be team Navi

Think: Aisha from Outlaw Star

Bonus points to Outlaw Star or  the Irresponsible Captain Tylor as there's no human species traitors unlike Crest of the Stars. Where Crest of the Stars the human civilization is the cliche evul bad guys and the holier-than-thou space elves and their pet human traitors are that good guys.

 

[Kiwisee]

Had an intrest in this movie but after Cameron's unhinged rants on how men are evil and testosterone is poison that needs to be purged from the body I decided to just wait for the torrent, comments here don't seem to be particularily impressed with it either so I don't think I'll miss much.

This is also why I’m going to wait for a way to pirate this movie so I can riff it with my friends in the comfort of my own home

 

[Raging Capybara]

Aliens is just as bad. They didn't nuke the place from the orbit just because they had a bunch of expensive shit there and the evil whito men didn't want to lose even more money. Remember they berated Ripley for having destroyed the cargo ship after an incredibly traumatic experience.

James Cameron was always terrible with screenplays. I just find it annoying how people get so mad by fucking Avatar but still lick Aliens' cock as if this film was perfect to begin with.

 

[Kel1 shi1]

Imagine my surprise that it's just average. I'd enjoy dunking on the Avatar fanboys that were predicting this was the second coming of Christ a lot if I hadn't seen the MCU cultists coping over the shitness of the current MCU phase for the last two years.

Avatar 2*

*too late.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I don’t even care about the review, I just find the title hilarious.

 

[LightDragonman1]

Eh, again, I'll have to see for myself if I fall on the side of those or like it or dislike it, as I found the first film to be perfectly fine.

It having a simple plot isn't a deal breaker, though I do question the running time.

 

[TVB]

I'll probably see it in theatres (or just bit torrent it really) and see if it's boring and unnecessary. I'm really up for a dare.

 

[Dr_Greenthumb]

I'll probably see it in theatres (or just bit torrent it really) and see if it's boring and unnecessary. I'm really up for a dare.

It is boring and unnecessary, the plot just treads water with a few set ups for a potentially more interesting sequel next year. Positives is that Lang is still really good as Quaritch and it is a great experience in a decent theater but I'm not sure if that's worth the price of admission for most.

 

[LordofCringe7206 Vol. 2]

Aliens is just as bad. They didn't nuke the place from the orbit just because they had a bunch of expensive shit there and the evil whito men didn't want to lose even more money. Remember they berated Ripley for having destroyed the cargo ship after an incredibly traumatic experience.

James Cameron was always terrible with screenplays. I just find it annoying how people get so mad by fucking Avatar but still lick Aliens' cock as if this film was perfect to begin with.

This is a gross oversimplification of Aliens. I have to wonder if you are deliberately trolling.