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Decided to check out r/ftmfemininity as @batteredpancakes referenced it and this post has gotten me a good laugh. (A)
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Her face is... peak european feminine. The nose, cheeks, eyebrows, lips, face size and shape - it just screams woman. She's actually gorgeous. Not only do the comments provide actually effective makeup tips, if that fact wasn't enough to clock them as women, the "do whatever feels most like you!!" and "don't forget you are a man, with or without other peoples approval :)" come in for the assist.

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I looked into u/ic3peakfan007. This girl works at Ulta and complains on the subreddit. The interrupting is kinda rude but customers aren't obligated to smile.
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She also wants to be a chubby femboy. Wants a womanly shape, minus the boobs 😐
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Similar to this, one of my high school friends was close to trooning out and described herself as “feeling like a trans woman”. What the fuck does that mean? If trans women are women, isn’t that just being a woman with extra steps and double the oppression points? But on some level I think she knows that TiMs will never be real women. I’m not one to interfere with others especially if they’re not close anymore, but I sure hope she peaks before she chops her tits off to roleplay as a yaoi fag.
I knew a girl who said things like that.

Basically, she was always told she had a more 'masculine attitude', even if she was wearing dresses... she didn't 'act like other girls'.... because she was loud, boisterous, aggressive, whatever crap that people decide belongs to gender-stereotypes.
People always told her she was more like a guy. A lot of that came from other girls, because their families raised them in some kind of ultra-conformist hell where WOMEN ARE SUPPOSED TO OBEY, and these other girls believed that shit. So they already had fake ideas about 'what being a woman means'.
(Oh em gee, girls are supposed to like salad, and guys are supposed to like steak.)

She didn't have a great relationship with her mom, and she didn't have any sisters. She had an older brother that she looked up to. She loved her dad.
So she just had kind of off role-models for what 'being a woman meant', and as she started puberty... it's like she got obsessed with that shit.

I think she had joined tumblr at some point, and fell into a screeching-feminist hole, where the women there will talk all day about "how men are EVIL, and women are sweet lil' innocent angels who dindu nuffin."
She was also kind of an aggressive asshole, and she fit the bill for how these tumblr-feminists would describe 'male oppressors'..... except she was a woman.
She just didn't take a certain kind of pride in being a girl. She didn't think this made her any different from how guys were.

So, one day she discovered that troonism is a thing she could do, and since then, she was obsessed with it... and it's like she saw 'cis womanhood' as describing all those other girls, who were entrapped by gender stereotypes of womanhood.

I also just think it's funny how feminists on tumblr often just end up stereotyping the genders all over again. Based on this experience, I think that that's why FtM chicks often bitch about 'TERFs'.
They need a boogeyman to describe how some of the feminists have treated them, but they don't want to be assumed to be anti-feminist.

Cuz if they say, "burr hurr, I don't like how you talk about men and women", then tumblr-feminists will reply, "OH WELL YOU JUST CAN'T ACCEPT THAT WOMEN ARE OPPRESSED!"
So these girls devise a way to look 'more oppressed' than your average woman... rather than try to duke it out on equal ground with some dumb bitch. (Even if that's the more noble way.)


TL;DR: "I feel like a trans woman" means they're probably an autoandrophile, and they might also feel like they have a masculine personality (like someone 'raised male'), but they like dressing femininely. They like womanhood, they just don't wanna be known as a fag-hag.... they wanna be the fag. They wanna be the target of attraction.

Honestly, something that I think is a big part of autogynephilia and autoandrophilia is the fact that it's pretty common for people to have friend-groups that are single-gender, especially when they're younger... and when there's no one of the opposite gender around to correct your assumptions, things can get really fucking weird. People make all kinds of retarded assumptions.

Among an only-girl friend group, guys become a kind of 'commodity'... so if you BECOME the commodity, you are more valuable than just a plain ol' girl.*
Vice versa for guys-only groups.
I think that's why so many fucking trannies are completely insane. They're just performing for their same-sex friend groups. They're not basing it entirely off reality. Of course, a better imitation is worth more, but people often succumb to their own gender's social-memes.

*(Except, if you value actual heterosexuality, then these 'imitations' are worth utter dogshit.)

Also:
I feel like a lot of the current younger generations (0-30 years old) have been deeply influenced by cartoons and television...
At least with the trannies that I've known, they're usually basing some of their passive ideas about gender on some kind of cartoon idea.

There's a big kerfuffle about 'representation', but you can notice a trend of female characters in fiction not having a certain form of masculine agency that perverted men have.
Buffalo Bill: "Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me."

I've just noticed how in a lot of different.... movies, tv shows, games, whatever... that usually when a(n attractive) girl expresses a sexual sentiment, it's supposed to be sexually-titillating; but a guy can express a sexual sentiment, and it can be gross, or funny, or fucking weird. Maybe some girls just want to gross people out.

Maybe some girls feel 'more like guys', trying out female stereotypes for fun... and it's not all about doom-and-gloom female-oppression.

....but maybe all the old people were right, and TV really was the mind-killer.


But yeah, no, I think most women do not think of MtFs as actual women, even if they say they do. They're just trying to look fucking progressive. "Gay rights!"
 
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Starting to think it isn't a 4D chess troll guys...
I don't understand the people who fell for that shit. It was literally a 4chan post with the exact same format as all other bullshit 4chan posts that tell the reader "here is the real story, don't you feel clever now."

And even if it had been 16D chess, this guy would still have been acting inappropriately in front of children and would still deserve things happening to him in Minecraft.

"Calmness and maturity in maleness"- I think I get it. If your dad walks out on you, you can just become the dad.

I think one way of inoculating against troonism is just by having your child actually spend lots of unstructured time around the opposite sex. (That's why this shit is so common among middle-class zoomers who grew up overscheduled and isolated; they have no idea what other people's lives are like outside their imaginations).

Many males might be calm and mature, but they're also the sex that is far more likely to stick firecrackers up their butt and light them to see what happens.

Ok so where were all the trooned out females and lesbian separatists in the 15th century?

As for trooned-out females: they did not exist, because hormones were not even discovered (let alone synthesized) until the early 20th century. Cross-dressing was also illegal in most (but not all) circumstances in most of Europe back then (Since you mentioned the 15th century specifically: a woman in Germany, Katherina Herzeldorfer, was executed in 1477 for lesbianism and crossdressing. She was drowned in the Rhine River.)

As for lesbian separatists: they called those "convents."
 
Redditor troons respond: they apparently really hate nurses and constantly get owned by them.
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And they say transphobes are inciting violence to a hospital.

This one got it right. Most ward staff hate OD cases guts. They are overworked already and you bring even more work to them for your narcissistic drama.

I looked into u/ic3peakfan007. This girl works at Ulta and complains on the subreddit. The interrupting is kinda rude but customers aren't obligated to smile.
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Your customer don't owe you "emotional labor"; men don't expect every social interactions to be filled with smile and sweet talks. Real life is not Yaoi.
 
This shit just makes me sad. Sorry if this has been posted before, I haven't caught up with this thread in months.


"How do I tell my dad, who is a trans woman, that I don't want to do girly stuff with her and that she sometimes makes me feel uncomfortable while still making it clear I love her and accept her gender?"

Especially these parts just raise all the red flags for me, and I hope this post is either 'fake' or the kid has a way to talk to her mother about this shit:

- For example she asked me to teach her how to do her makeup and I found this really weird and didn't want to and said I didn't want to do that. But she got quite upset about this.

- The way she was talking about my body kinda made me a bit uncomfortable too. I feel like maybe she feels bad about missing out on being a teenage girl and wants to almost go through that experience through me which makes really uncomfortable.

- She also has asked me a few questions about puberty and has asked me slightly uncomfortable questions about my period.


I am a 14yo cis girl. My parents are divorced and I live with my mom most of the time. My dad came out as trans about 3 months ago. I'll be honest it has been quite hard accepting she is a woman and I have found it a bit weird at times as it seems like she changed so much. Firstly sorry if anyone doesn't like me calling her dad. When she came out she wanted me to call her mom but my mom hated this and said that wasn't happening. My dad eventually decided that this was ok as if it was ok for Caitlyn Jenner then it is ok for her.

My dad keeps wanting me to do a lot of stereotypically girly stuff with her. I am a bit of a tomboy and wouldn't really want to do these things with anyone let alone my parent and I find it a bit weird. For example she asked me to teach her how to do her makeup and I found this really weird and didn't want to and said I didn't want to do that. But she got quite upset about this. Like I don't usually wear makeup myself and like I found it made me a bit uncomfortable. She also keeps wanting to go shopping and we went once and she was wanting to buy me a load of really girly clothes that were not my style at all and it made me feel a bit weird. The way she was talking about my body kinda made me a bit uncomfortable too. I feel like maybe she feels bad about missing out on being a teenage girl and wants to almost go through that experience through me which makes really uncomfortable. She also has asked me a few questions about puberty and has asked me slightly uncomfortable questions about my period. I don't know how to tell her that these things are making me uncomfortable without upsetting her and while still affirming her gender. I feel like she wants to have that experience of being a teenage girl as she never got to have that and she wants to experience some of those things through me which I am not comfortable with. I also feel like this is not how the dynamic should be between a parent and her child and I wouldn't want to do these things with anyone but even more so with a parent. I want to see her and spend time with her but some of these things are making me not want to and want to spend more time with my mom. How do I have this conversation without upsetting her or triggering her gender dysphoria?

Edit: Just want to add more details i should have probably put in before. My parents split when I was 9 and after they split my dad really struggled and had serious depression and was drinking a lot. After my parents split my dad didn't really want to spend time with me it felt like and when we did she was always really down. But then after she came out as trans she seemed much happier and keen to make things right but it is just a bit awkward and I feel like she doesn't understand me. My mom is kinda annoyed with her as she thinks that she is almost walking back into my life as this new person and she is mad with her for what happened before and how she feels that she can't come back as like a new person as if that period didn't happen and she hasn't forgiven her for that. And she is mad as she doesn't think this was her personality at all as a man and she doesn't understand why she couldn't have been like this before and she feels a bit lied to. I know some of what she is saying is fair but she is over reacting and being quite nasty to her at times and making my dad really upset. I don't really want to tell my mom as I know she will over react again and she will be mad with her and upset her loads and make a massive thing about it. But I feel like my dad doesn't know me anymore and I don't know her and I have no idea how to act around her and it is so confusing to me. Also thanks so much everyone for replying!
 
TiF realizes being an effeminate man is nothing like it is in yaoi fanfiction.
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2 years on T and having some sort of crisis (you know how it is ;)
(Redoing this in a way that’s more coherent)

I recently have been having all sorts of frustrations with transition, and I am suddenly doubting my gender identity in a way that seems really out of nowhere, but I can’t seem to stop spiraling.

I am almost 2 years on T. I wanted to be an effeminate guy. I achieved being that. I enjoyed it. But being an effeminate guy makes people like, React to you. You become a spectacle. People would be visibly uncomfortable w me cashing them out at work/avoid coming to my register. So I shaved my head, and now I pass but I’m like. Not enjoying being a guy as much as when I was being feminine.

Suddenly maybe I’m like “maybe I shouldn’t have been a guy. Maybe I should’ve just stayed a cis girl so that I could be feminine safely, and only been a guy at home or with my partner, even though that was unbearable.”

I really liked being a feminine guy. It made me feel really good. But what if I’m wrong and that means I’m really a girl? I was enjoying this and really passionate and happy with my identity, and excited to be alive, but suddenly I’m afraid I’ve done something really dumb and bad by going on T. My internal sense of self is suddenly a disaster. I like? Can’t identify with myself since cutting off my hair. Does this mean I’m a girl??? I don’t know. I hate to live.

(I don’t even feel like I’m that feminine. I have cis guy coworkers my own age who present similarly, and all of my clothes are from the mens section, but for me I was always read as like? Girl but my voice is deep and people would always React when I talked and it made me feel terrible.)

(please don’t yell at me)

EDIT: I think I just gave myself a busted hair cut and want the custies to leave me alone. I don’t think I’m a girl. I think I just like to be hot and I look fucking dumb. 😔
Solves the crisis but I gotta live like this now I guess.
"I have cis guy coworkers my own age who present similarly, and all of my clothes are from the mens section, but for me I was always read as like? Girl"
It's hard to believe people can lack such a basic level of self awareness.
Barber fucked her up and she's questioning her 2 year medical transition. Very sane, we should let these people make laws against questioning their actions.
 
Similar to this, one of my high school friends was close to trooning out and described herself as “feeling like a trans woman”. What the fuck does that mean? If trans women are women, isn’t that just being a woman with extra steps and double the oppression points? But on some level I think she knows that TiMs will never be real women. I’m not one to interfere with others especially if they’re not close anymore, but I sure hope she peaks before she chops her tits off to roleplay as a yaoi fag.
Sounds a bit like Trisha Paytas - she came out as FTM, then as non binary but continued with the heavy makeup and skimpy outfits, justifying it by saying it was like a drag performance. Still doesn't change the fact that there's something inherently ridiculous about using "they/them" for a woman who looks and acts hyper-feminine and has since given birth. There's also the e-thots you see everywhere on TikTok who wear eyeliner and low-cut tops but will still insist on he/him or they/them, and don't you dare call them girls, because clothes have no gender! (Somewhat true - there's nothing really stopping a man from putting on a dress if he really wants, he's still a man no matter what he wears, but genderspecials will use that same statement to justify putting no effort into looking like their chosen identity.)
 
This shit just makes me sad. Sorry if this has been posted before, I haven't caught up with this thread in months.


"How do I tell my dad, who is a trans woman, that I don't want to do girly stuff with her and that she sometimes makes me feel uncomfortable while still making it clear I love her and accept her gender?"

Especially these parts just raise all the red flags for me, and I hope this post is either 'fake' or the kid has a way to talk to her mother about this shit:

- For example she asked me to teach her how to do her makeup and I found this really weird and didn't want to and said I didn't want to do that. But she got quite upset about this.

- The way she was talking about my body kinda made me a bit uncomfortable too. I feel like maybe she feels bad about missing out on being a teenage girl and wants to almost go through that experience through me which makes really uncomfortable.

- She also has asked me a few questions about puberty and has asked me slightly uncomfortable questions about my period.


I am a 14yo cis girl. My parents are divorced and I live with my mom most of the time. My dad came out as trans about 3 months ago. I'll be honest it has been quite hard accepting she is a woman and I have found it a bit weird at times as it seems like she changed so much. Firstly sorry if anyone doesn't like me calling her dad. When she came out she wanted me to call her mom but my mom hated this and said that wasn't happening. My dad eventually decided that this was ok as if it was ok for Caitlyn Jenner then it is ok for her.

My dad keeps wanting me to do a lot of stereotypically girly stuff with her. I am a bit of a tomboy and wouldn't really want to do these things with anyone let alone my parent and I find it a bit weird. For example she asked me to teach her how to do her makeup and I found this really weird and didn't want to and said I didn't want to do that. But she got quite upset about this. Like I don't usually wear makeup myself and like I found it made me a bit uncomfortable. She also keeps wanting to go shopping and we went once and she was wanting to buy me a load of really girly clothes that were not my style at all and it made me feel a bit weird. The way she was talking about my body kinda made me a bit uncomfortable too. I feel like maybe she feels bad about missing out on being a teenage girl and wants to almost go through that experience through me which makes really uncomfortable. She also has asked me a few questions about puberty and has asked me slightly uncomfortable questions about my period. I don't know how to tell her that these things are making me uncomfortable without upsetting her and while still affirming her gender. I feel like she wants to have that experience of being a teenage girl as she never got to have that and she wants to experience some of those things through me which I am not comfortable with. I also feel like this is not how the dynamic should be between a parent and her child and I wouldn't want to do these things with anyone but even more so with a parent. I want to see her and spend time with her but some of these things are making me not want to and want to spend more time with my mom. How do I have this conversation without upsetting her or triggering her gender dysphoria?

Edit: Just want to add more details i should have probably put in before. My parents split when I was 9 and after they split my dad really struggled and had serious depression and was drinking a lot. After my parents split my dad didn't really want to spend time with me it felt like and when we did she was always really down. But then after she came out as trans she seemed much happier and keen to make things right but it is just a bit awkward and I feel like she doesn't understand me. My mom is kinda annoyed with her as she thinks that she is almost walking back into my life as this new person and she is mad with her for what happened before and how she feels that she can't come back as like a new person as if that period didn't happen and she hasn't forgiven her for that. And she is mad as she doesn't think this was her personality at all as a man and she doesn't understand why she couldn't have been like this before and she feels a bit lied to. I know some of what she is saying is fair but she is over reacting and being quite nasty to her at times and making my dad really upset. I don't really want to tell my mom as I know she will over react again and she will be mad with her and upset her loads and make a massive thing about it. But I feel like my dad doesn't know me anymore and I don't know her and I have no idea how to act around her and it is so confusing to me. Also thanks so much everyone for replying!
Of course the troons care more about calling Dad, “mom”.

Pay no mind to the fact that he was an abusive alcoholic who walked back into their lives after adopting a trans identity
 

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TiF realizes being an effeminate man is nothing like it is in yaoi fanfiction.
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2 years on T and having some sort of crisis (you know how it is ;)
(Redoing this in a way that’s more coherent)

I recently have been having all sorts of frustrations with transition, and I am suddenly doubting my gender identity in a way that seems really out of nowhere, but I can’t seem to stop spiraling.

I am almost 2 years on T. I wanted to be an effeminate guy. I achieved being that. I enjoyed it. But being an effeminate guy makes people like, React to you. You become a spectacle. People would be visibly uncomfortable w me cashing them out at work/avoid coming to my register. So I shaved my head, and now I pass but I’m like. Not enjoying being a guy as much as when I was being feminine.
When you shave your head, your female skull is only more visible. Hell, mine is starkly visible even through my hair, and I have thick, curly hair. It's actually something when you see a bald gay dude and a 'gay' TIF pose together. That sexual dimorphism via the skull comes right on through (sue me, Shaun).

You're a spectacle because men see you as female, not a 'guy'. Guys have a code where they seem to clock each other instantly. Even as a woman, you instinctively know you are not included. She just got bro coded out of her attempted LARP, lol.
Suddenly maybe I’m like “maybe I shouldn’t have been a guy. Maybe I should’ve just stayed a cis girl so that I could be feminine safely, and only been a guy at home or with my partner, even though that was unbearable.”

I really liked being a feminine guy. It made me feel really good. But what if I’m wrong and that means I’m really a girl? I was enjoying this and really passionate and happy with my identity, and excited to be alive, but suddenly I’m afraid I’ve done something really dumb and bad by going on T. My internal sense of self is suddenly a disaster. I like? Can’t identify with myself since cutting off my hair. Does this mean I’m a girl??? I don’t know. I hate to live.

(I don’t even feel like I’m that feminine. I have cis guy coworkers my own age who present similarly, and all of my clothes are from the mens section, but for me I was always read as like? Girl but my voice is deep and people would always React when I talked and it made me feel terrible.)

(please don’t yell at me)

EDIT: I think I just gave myself a busted hair cut and want the custies to leave me alone. I don’t think I’m a girl. I think I just like to be hot and I look fucking dumb. 😔
Solves the crisis but I gotta live like this now I guess.
"I have cis guy coworkers my own age who present similarly, and all of my clothes are from the mens section, but for me I was always read as like? Girl"
It's hard to believe people can lack such a basic level of self awareness.
Like??? Why do TIFs always type like this??? Even in fanfiction where an Aiden is writing it, they always fucking do this. It's gotten worse as TikTok culture has infested everything. It's funny, because I, a true and honest woman, am routinely confused for being a dude over the Internet because of my brusque nature. There's no Like??? with me. Because question marks are for the end, not the middle.

They try so hard to be men but they cannot hide that female socialization.
Decided to check out r/ftmfemininity as @batteredpancakes referenced it and this post has gotten me a good laugh. (A)
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Her face is... peak european feminine. The nose, cheeks, eyebrows, lips, face size and shape - it just screams woman. She's actually gorgeous. Not only do the comments provide actually effective makeup tips, if that fact wasn't enough to clock them as women, the "do whatever feels most like you!!" and "don't forget you are a man, with or without other peoples approval :)" come in for the assist.
No cap, she's actually beautiful. She has a perfectly shaped face, with just the right amount of fat. Shame the Aidens are telling her to go on T. Lots of women dream of having such angular, yet plump faces. Women with broad, square-ish faces (it can be an Irish thing) really need sharp contours to balance it out. She has a great face. The makeup she has on is fine.
"Just go on T, you'll get a male puberty"

No, that's impossible. She already went through puberty. Male puberty is literally three stages, from 24 weeks in utero, to three months, to the titular development at 12-13. Us lowly females usually only get one, even if we mature faster. Taking T just fucks up your endocrine system and will age you faster than a white woman under the sun. All the TIFs I've seen have horrible skin and seem to age twenty years. I wonder if that's been studied.
I looked into u/ic3peakfan007. This girl works at Ulta and complains on the subreddit. The interrupting is kinda rude but customers aren't obligated to smile.
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She also wants to be a chubby femboy. Wants a womanly shape, minus the boobs 😐
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Femboys are noted for being thin. They're a derivative of twinks. You can be a thicc gay man, but that is for gay MEN, not women. And you having a womanly shape 'minus the boobs' is still a womanly shape. Femboys are liked because they are effeminate, not because they are women. They know they are still male.
 
This shit just makes me sad. Sorry if this has been posted before, I haven't caught up with this thread in months.


"How do I tell my dad, who is a trans woman, that I don't want to do girly stuff with her and that she sometimes makes me feel uncomfortable while still making it clear I love her and accept her gender?"

Especially these parts just raise all the red flags for me, and I hope this post is either 'fake' or the kid has a way to talk to her mother about this shit:

- For example she asked me to teach her how to do her makeup and I found this really weird and didn't want to and said I didn't want to do that. But she got quite upset about this.

- The way she was talking about my body kinda made me a bit uncomfortable too. I feel like maybe she feels bad about missing out on being a teenage girl and wants to almost go through that experience through me which makes really uncomfortable.

- She also has asked me a few questions about puberty and has asked me slightly uncomfortable questions about my period.


I am a 14yo cis girl. My parents are divorced and I live with my mom most of the time. My dad came out as trans about 3 months ago. I'll be honest it has been quite hard accepting she is a woman and I have found it a bit weird at times as it seems like she changed so much. Firstly sorry if anyone doesn't like me calling her dad. When she came out she wanted me to call her mom but my mom hated this and said that wasn't happening. My dad eventually decided that this was ok as if it was ok for Caitlyn Jenner then it is ok for her.

My dad keeps wanting me to do a lot of stereotypically girly stuff with her. I am a bit of a tomboy and wouldn't really want to do these things with anyone let alone my parent and I find it a bit weird. For example she asked me to teach her how to do her makeup and I found this really weird and didn't want to and said I didn't want to do that. But she got quite upset about this. Like I don't usually wear makeup myself and like I found it made me a bit uncomfortable. She also keeps wanting to go shopping and we went once and she was wanting to buy me a load of really girly clothes that were not my style at all and it made me feel a bit weird. The way she was talking about my body kinda made me a bit uncomfortable too. I feel like maybe she feels bad about missing out on being a teenage girl and wants to almost go through that experience through me which makes really uncomfortable. She also has asked me a few questions about puberty and has asked me slightly uncomfortable questions about my period. I don't know how to tell her that these things are making me uncomfortable without upsetting her and while still affirming her gender. I feel like she wants to have that experience of being a teenage girl as she never got to have that and she wants to experience some of those things through me which I am not comfortable with. I also feel like this is not how the dynamic should be between a parent and her child and I wouldn't want to do these things with anyone but even more so with a parent. I want to see her and spend time with her but some of these things are making me not want to and want to spend more time with my mom. How do I have this conversation without upsetting her or triggering her gender dysphoria?

Edit: Just want to add more details i should have probably put in before. My parents split when I was 9 and after they split my dad really struggled and had serious depression and was drinking a lot. After my parents split my dad didn't really want to spend time with me it felt like and when we did she was always really down. But then after she came out as trans she seemed much happier and keen to make things right but it is just a bit awkward and I feel like she doesn't understand me. My mom is kinda annoyed with her as she thinks that she is almost walking back into my life as this new person and she is mad with her for what happened before and how she feels that she can't come back as like a new person as if that period didn't happen and she hasn't forgiven her for that. And she is mad as she doesn't think this was her personality at all as a man and she doesn't understand why she couldn't have been like this before and she feels a bit lied to. I know some of what she is saying is fair but she is over reacting and being quite nasty to her at times and making my dad really upset. I don't really want to tell my mom as I know she will over react again and she will be mad with her and upset her loads and make a massive thing about it. But I feel like my dad doesn't know me anymore and I don't know her and I have no idea how to act around her and it is so confusing to me. Also thanks so much everyone for replying!
Sheila Jeffreys has an excellent chapter on this in Gender Hurts. It features a VERY similar story. Unfortunately this is probably what most family members have to go through. Once the man / husband / father starts the transition, he starts treating his family as support cast in his fetishistic show. He is the director, lead actor and target audience.

One significant source of harm to wives is the self-centredness of transgenders. Wives and partners suffer because the transgenders behave as if only their quest has importance, and do not take the distress they are causing seriously, or are puzzled by it. Chapman and Caldwell say that it is difficult for transgenders to hear about injury to partners because ‘inherent in TI processing is a profound self-centredness’ (Chapman and Caldwell, 2012: 47). Helen Boyd says that a friend calls this behaviour ‘male autism’ (Boyd, 2007: 255). A wife in the Erhardt collection makes a similar point about the self-centredness of transgender husbands: ‘From the beginning of the transition, it was all about Bobbi’s dreams, wants, and needs’ (Erhardt, 2007: 120). The men’s transgenderism is a masculine prerogative, and not to be trammelled with extraneous concerns. The literature on male abusers of female partners in other settings suggests that they demonstrate a similar lack of empathy (Harne, 2011).

...The betrayal of trust can extend to the husband’s behaviour towards his children. Benvenuto explains that her husband used her young children as characters in his performance and sought to conceal this from her: ‘My children’s experience of Tracey’s transformation and the break-up of our marriage is hands down the ugliest and most painful aspect of this story’ (Benvenuto, 2012a: 119). He ‘dressed’ in front of his toddler child and when she made this known to her mother, he said he had not thought her capable of speaking about it (Benvenuto, 2012a: 80). When his eight-year-old daughter went to visit her father, he enrolled her in his practice as she explained to her mother, ‘When I go to Daddy’s he gives me his shoes and jewelry to try on. I do his hair. Sometimes we put on makeup’ (Benvenuto, 2012a: 142). Eventually she refused to visit, refused to be alone with him and said she was afraid of him. He flew into rages, she said, if she refused to play dress-up: ‘“He told me I had to show him how to be a girl! … He said he’d never gotten to be a girl, so he wanted to experience what it was like through me!”’ (Benvenuto, 2012a: 150). Benvenuto’s husband, by her account, placed his children’s interests second to his own pleasures.

...In Christine Benvenuto’s case, one form of abuse was the accusation that she was mentally unstable: ‘“You’re sick,” Tracey told me when I protested against any aspect of his behavior. “You’re mentally ill. No one in the world thinks the way you do. Everyone else thinks what I’m doing is great”’ (Benvenuto, 2012a: 85). He also engaged in other forms of bullying and threats and a new ‘Tracey’ emerged, she says, the one who ‘intimidated and threatened, who laid down the law and expected me to abide by it. If Tracey was becoming a woman, he had never seemed so male – a tyrannical bully he had never been in our marriage’ (Benvenuto, 2012a: 70)
 
Holy shit, that might be the most severe case of AGP Smirk I've ever seen. Why do they think it's womanly to have that retarded facial expression? Is it influence from anime or something?

Pretty sure it's that they subconsciously know their natural smile gives away that they're men, on the one hand, and wanting to at least look happy and confident, on the other. So usually what they express is either the expression of a horrifying predator who has found some vulnerable prey, or a hilariously awkward gurn. Often something that's a little bit of both.

I think it's because, being men, they haven't been pestered since infancy to smile at everyone and seem genuinely pleasant even if they don't feel it, like girls usually are, so when they try to do it they don't know how. Also being men, they never had to learn how to appear as pretty as possible on camera (they were taught other things about was supposed to make them attractive), like most teen girls and young women had to.

Plus, being porn addicts with a mental illness who all follow each other and constantly feed each other's validation loops, they usually have no real awareness of how normal people behave and look. So they bust out an awkward grimace and think they are doing great.

Finally, there's also the fact that most are trying to hide their teeth and make their faces seem more narrow, I guess that accounts for not opening their mouth and only using one cheek instead of both.

Or they are just all pervs and the creepy autogynesmile comes from the depths of their soul. I don't know.
It's duper's delight. They know they're men. They know we know they're men, but that they have the power to force us to pretend we believe they're women. They're getting away with something they know they shouldn't: lying to everyone's face and forcing everyone to participate in their fetish. They get off on this. They want to grin ear to ear, but they know that would be unseemly, and they don't want to jeopardize the con. Hence, the smirk.
 
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I concur with other kiwis here, only the first outfit is close to something a woman would wear (an awkward middle/highschool girl, but a female nonetheless) and it's hilariously the most masculine outfit of the set.
My dude is really showing his autism with the box of Gloomhaven. Only the nerdiest of board gamers actually own a box of Gloomhaven because it cost $150, regularly takes more than an hour to set up (this can be mitigated with good self organization and a fan made app but the box doesn't help), and as it's a legacy game you can't just play it with a different group of casuals each time - you must have up to three other autistic nerds willing to commit to playing almost 100 scenarios with each other, each taking 2.5+ hours to complete. Now, the game is  fantastic as it has stellar mechanics and gameplay, but you have to be a different breed to actually pay the money own and commit the time to play the game.
If you want the Gloomhaven experience just play Gloomhaven Jaws of the Lion - the set up time is miniscule as the map is now a page in a book instead of finding and placing individual tiles, it introduces and teaches you game mechanics gentler than the original, and its $35. Besides that, the gameplay is exactly the same where you can use OG classes with Jaws of the Lion and vice versa.

We're all retarded here as we actually have an account for this beloved forum and I find that this is the type of tism kiwis like to see. I'm sure multiple users have already written about how ultra capitalist troons are (they're lifelong consumers) but I haven't seen much about how they are right wing aligned. We know that there are parallels as the incel to troon pipeline exists. Regardless, can you elaborate on the bolded sentence?
Sure! It’s not exclusive to trans people, but in a world where we’re all told more and more that we should interact with fellow humans as if we’re little one-person businesses, the implication is that every interaction becomes customer/employee. In that concept, the customer holds the power because their payment gives them the “moral” authority over the interaction. Doctors present an obstacle to that way of structuring interactions because they have an ethical obligation beyond just doing their customer’s bidding. You see it more with trans people because they tend to be the most alienated from the communities around them. They feel less obligation to those around them as evidenced by their rejections of any social roles they perceive as being assigned to them by others.

To sperg on more, the reason I believe this causes such a reaction is that customer authority is what neoliberal capitalism promises the average person: you may not have a lot of power, but by paying for something you have momentary power over the seller. When you can’t exercise that authority over someone even though you’re paying them, it reminds you how powerless you are. This is also a huge part of cancel culture to the extent that it exists: invoking Customer Authority over others even when you are not involved in a transaction. When you demand someone be fired, you’re claiming authority over them as a Customer. Neoliberal capitalism as a political force says that those who have the money and capital have the power. As a social force, neoliberal capitalism manifests as the idea that the person who has the money momentarily in an interpersonal interaction has power over the other.

Hope that clears up my point, (bring on the puzzle pieces and Easter island heads i refrained from earning before lol)
 
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