RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

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An honest critique of FRWBY by someone who actually watched it and was willing to give it a chance​

Ok so LF and CS have proven themselves to be disingenuous liars who go out of their way to make rewrites of RWBY look poorly written and bigoted because they have diluted themselves into believing that the show doesn't carry all of the same problems that they accuse these rewrites of having. That being said, Fixing RWBY does happen to carry over a lot of problems from the original show. While I personally believe that Fixing RWBY is a better story structurally from RWBY proper, that doesn't mean that it didn't keep many of the flaws associated with the original show. This is not a defense of FRWBY, nor is it really a bashing because I will come right out and say that I do actively enjoy it and am excited to keep up with its version of volume six. I wouldn't recommend it to any of the people I interact with a lot on Tumblr simply because it's definitely not something they would like very much.

It's impressive how much passion is put into this project honestly, seeing all these fans come together to take the time out of their days without payment just to create something they care about. I definitely think the art and animations are some of the best parts of FRWBY. And I think the story does a far better job of utilizing the amount of characters that the show already had without constantly adding new ones that are completely unnecessary. It also makes a lot of changes to the characters interactions and relationships with other characters that I appreciate. I like that Weiss's time in the Brawnwen was changed from being held prisoner and threatened, to being a taste of freedom and potential new life for herself that she eventually had to ditch for the sake of her friends and the mission.

And I really liked Changing Vernal to be Yang's secret half sister and having her develop a friendship with Weiss, it did a lot more to make her death feel more impactful by making her a character that the audience has to care about because these other characters care about her, and goes a long way of proving how selfish and short-sighted Raven could be where her own arrogance and desires ultimately ended up getting her own daughter killed and the tribe she chose over her own husband and first daughter to leave her.

And I'm actually quite happy with Roman being Ozpin's host, I think it's handled pretty well and in a way that doesn't overshadow Ruby at all. One change that I thought was pretty cool from a story and representation perspective was having Neo use ASL and have Yang also learn it with her during her recovery period (which was actually a recovery period thank God, not just a showcase of her suffering and then just being fine without seeing her journey). And one thing that I like by default is it going out of its way to humanize Ironwood. That's always an A+ in my book as an Ironwood fan.
Now let's get into the bad stuff that is actually worth criticizing and not just sweeping under the rug just because LF and CS are lying liars who lie.

First and foremost, the Faunus plotline.
I don't like it.
There was very little effort put in to change the actual problems with the Faunus plotline in the actual show. The White Fang are still the bad guys, Blake is at the same time, still a rich princess with parents who love her, and Racism in Remnant is explicitly stated to be an individual to individual thing (though in a Livestream Celtic Phoenix said that racism in Atlas is systemic, so I'm holding out a little bit of hope that will at least be treated like a big deal) and still far more fighting against civil rights activists than fighting actual racists.

There's some interesting stuff in the beginning with Cardin starting out pretty racist, but after being forced to do some actual research on the subject and finding that his views have no historical or scientific basis quickly changing his mind about it and growing into a better person, but that's not enough to forgive the rest of it.

Effort is being put in to make Adam a more dynamic character who seems to have an explicit tragic backstory regarding the racism he faced (and not just implied with his nasty hate crime scar) but that actually makes the whole thing kind of worse. Because I kid you not, in the final episodes of the volume 5 rewrite, when the White fang is defeated, Blake tells Adam, "this isn't the world your mother grew up in anymore" and I'm just like, Adam's mom is implied to have been a Slave woman who was abused and possibly killed by her owner! Who is Blake, in her mansion on an ethnostate where she never had to face racism or cruelty or worry for a family member's safety, to tell Adam how he should react to Racism?! And I know that the reason she has to stop him in the rewrite is because the White Fang are trying to stage a cou that would lead to a war that would cost far more faunus lives than do good for them, but that doesn't change the fact that it's extremely tone deaf that it was Blake who is telling him this when her backstory hasn't been changed at all.

Either make the White Fang the good guys, or make Blake an orphan who has had to experience racism and cruelty her whole life, because you can't have both and still have a story that doesn't feel jarring and pro establishment as hell.

Next, the cultural appropriation. Taking inspiration from multiple Asian cultures for Mistral is kind of unavoidable since Mistral itself is fundamentally meant to be based on a multitude of Asian cultures. (I personally try to mitigate this problem by having different parts of Mistral be based on different Asian countries, and do the same for the other kingdoms too) but I think we all remember the thing about the Brawnwen tribe from a few months ago. Since the Ainu people are heavily discriminated against in Japan and stereotyped as being bandits and thieves, having the Brawnwen tribe be inspired by them in some aspects is definitely a bad thing. It was especially a problem when that cultural appropriation was also misinterpreted and used without fully understanding the culture of what the traditional bear was. And then the attempt to crack down and defend that was just a bad look altogether.

And to bring up the Shay D Mann and Ren and Roman bathroom scene, these are things that I think the creator just didn't realize could come across as queerphobic or a bad look for the character. The joke about Roman not realizing that Ren is a man and then having a conversation about all of tells that would have tipped him off about Ren being a guy and then having them be rebuttaled (at one point pointing out that Weiss has small boobs and that doesn't make her less of a woman, which while I think was well intentioned was just uncomfortable in general) was just in poor taste. And Shiloh (as he's called in FRWBY) didn't need to still be showcased sexually harassing Yang. He was actively physically and verbally abusing the man at register anyway in the rewrite, Yang could have just done the heroic thing and punched him to protect the civilian, instead of trying to ignore him while he comments on her figure and then saying something incredibly abelist about her prosthetic before being thrown out by Neo and her umbrella. Although It's not necessary to make all of your important characters good people. So I guess this has a lot more to do with how you feel about bad people still being important and sympathetic characters. Though I wouldn't say Shiloh is that important to Volume 5, all he really does is provide some Vernal backstory, serve as some comic relief, and is the one who ultimately decides for the tribe to leave Raven after she gets his daughter killed.

If I were to defend these choices, instead of trying to claim that Shiloh didn't sexually harass Yang (which was honestly far more present in the rewrite, no actual dialogue but he is described as complimenting her figure) and that lesbians are stupid, I would instead say that a character doesn't have to be a good perfectly squeaky clean non problematic person to be a character who isn't necessarily a villain. Or alternatively I could just acknowledge that it was unnecessary to have him actively sexually harass a girl his daughter's age because there was already something else that could have been used to show that he wasn't a good person and end up bouncing right out of the gas station anyway.
I think that's everything I want to talk about, because combing through all of it would be like rewatching an eight hour show and taking notes the whole time and I don't have much time for that.

But all in all, FRWBY isn't above criticism just because it's a rewrite of RWBY and has some aspects that deserve to be criticized, but it's also not the worst most biggoted thing in the world. I like aspects of it, but I honestly like other rewrites better. It honestly just feels like watching the original show if the original show had a more coherent story but didn't change any of the more problematic aspects.
So yeah, there's my review. I'll tell you how I felt about Volume six when it's over.


Reading all this, it comes across as a lot of the issues we've talked about with some things I noticed:

1. The talk of the White Fang reminds me of the Unicorn of War video about it, and again I think this person may be on the verge of missing the point of the Blake vs Adam conflict, along with feeling like the WHite Fang should be the good guys because "they fight for a noble cause".


2. The talk about Blake makes me wonder if anyone has tried painting The Faunus as the Jews, and Menagerie as Israel. The fandoms really love their real life comparisons.

3. Cultural Approtiation is kind of something that I just roll my eyes at, mainly because I'm pretty sure it's been made perfectly clear that Remnant isn't Earth. Also, I don't know much about Ainu so I'll defer knowledge to anyone who has knowledge. And even then, I think a lot of the masks was because Raven, the leader, was doing it.
 
3. Cultural Approtiation is kind of something that I just roll my eyes at, mainly because I'm pretty sure it's been made perfectly clear that Remnant isn't Earth. Also, I don't know much about Ainu so I'll defer knowledge to anyone who has knowledge. And even then, I think a lot of the masks was because Raven, the leader, was doing it.

You're better off reading facts 1 and 2:


I like that Weiss's time in the Branwen was changed from being held prisoner and threatened, to being a taste of freedom and potential new life for herself that she eventually had to ditch for the sake of her friends and the mission.
Why the fuck would Weiss ditch her friends for some bandits that used her weapon as a spit to cook food?

And I really liked changing Vernal to be Yang's secret half sister and having her develop a friendship with Weiss, it did a lot more to make her death feel more impactful by making her a character that the audience has to care about because these other characters care about her, and goes a long way of proving how selfish and short-sighted Raven could be where her own arrogance and desires ultimately ended up getting her own daughter killed and the tribe she chose over her own husband and first daughter to leave her.
I could not give a hot shit for Raven 2.0. Zach Fair's death was more impactful than hers. I'm pretty sure everyone here shared their thoughts.

And I'm actually quite happy with Roman being Ozpin's host, I think it's handled pretty well and in a way that doesn't overshadow Ruby at all.
Roman and Ozpin are two different poeple. Neither are like-minded. Roman is selfish while Ozpin is the opposite.

One change that I thought was pretty cool from a story and representation perspective was having Neo use ASL and have Yang also learn it with her during her recovery period (which was actually a recovery period thank God, not just a showcase of her suffering and then just being fine without seeing her journey).
Let's just forget Yang begging Neo to kill her. Sweep it under the rug and call it a day.

And one thing that I like by default is it going out of its way to humanize Ironwood. That's always an A+ in my book as an Ironwood fan.
You mean giving out prosthesis like it's the fucking Emmy's?
 
NO.

Just looking for ideas on making a detailed essay on why Fixing RWBY is asscheeks.
That's fine, broach the topic from that angle and talk about what stuff you're seeing and general thoughts on that. If people here are interested in contributing their thoughts they will.

Stop being autistic and weird.
 
NO.

Just looking for ideas on making a detailed essay on why Fixing RWBY is asscheeks.
Read the thread then. Several other people have gone into intense enough detail to satisfy most other people's autism over the idea.

Shoving tumblr garbage down our throats, double/triple posting (JUST EDIT YOUR POSTS, THE BUTTON IS RIGHT THERE), and generally acting like an asocial weirdo is not the best way to get what you want.

I get your very new, but there are warnings and general rules written all over the site. Just read them.
 
I could not give a hot shit for Raven 2.0. Zach Fair's death was more impactful than hers. I'm pretty sure everyone here shared their thoughts.
Funny you mention Zach since everyone here has said that Vernal was turned into a shitty Aerith. Makes sense considering that V4 onwards could be seen by some as a shitty Final Fantasy clone. With the Beacon years being as, I don't know, a cross between MHA and one of the Fire Emblem games?
 
Funny you mention Zach since everyone here has said that Vernal was turned into a shitty Aerith. Makes sense considering that V4 onwards could be seen by some as a shitty Final Fantasy clone. With the Beacon years being as, I don't know, a cross between MHA and one of the Fire Emblem games?
Not just Final Fantasy, one of the overrated Final Fantasies.

Plus, still don't know which one of those is truly the final one. How can they be called Final Fantasy if there's like twenty of them?
 
TFW someone says this is all you need to say.
Its directed by kerry (nothing more needs to be said about how bad idea that is) and written by a former executive assistant turned staff writer on the later seasons of Supernatural (which were apparently, but unsurprisingly, fucking horribly written) who now writes awful ""modern"" DC comics. The kicker is that its a fucking hackneyed and very overdone multiverse story, not what the actual comic presents with the justice league being born on remnant.

We all knew this thing was going to suck ass, but this might be bad even by RWBY's already low standards.
 
The kicker is that its a fucking hackneyed and very overdone multiverse story, not what the actual comic presents with the justice league being born on remnant.
In regards to the actual DC heroes, I saw some interesting comments:

1. How is Superman going to be nerfed to justify him not just wrecking everyone's shit? Also, it's going to be super interesting to see what happens so Team RWBY isn't upstaged in their own universe.

2. Batman being in a world where every weapon is a gun is super out of place, and his design of being a bat Faunus is the antithesis of why he's appealing (he's a regular dude who pushed himself to the limits in body and mind in the name of fighting crime and no kid having to see and live through what he had to deal with).

3. Somebody asked what the odds are that Death Battle uses this film to show Ruby Rose and RWBY characters compare to/scale to DC Superheroes.

Also, Vexed pointed out how the Justice League are only here for brand/IP recognition, and this could easily be done with the Teen Titans. Another commenter suggested Young Justice.
 
In regards to the actual DC heroes, I saw some interesting comments:

1. How is Superman going to be nerfed to justify him not just wrecking everyone's shit? Also, it's going to be super interesting to see what happens so Team RWBY isn't upstaged in their own universe.
My best guess is they'll make the Man of Steel into Hazel-lite. He'll also be an absolute jobber so the others can have their times to shine.

2. Batman being in a world where every weapon is a gun is super out of place, and his design of being a bat Faunus is the antithesis of why he's appealing (he's a regular dude who pushed himself to the limits in body and mind in the name of fighting crime and no kid having to see and live through what he had to deal with).
If they stick to Batman being normal guy pushing himself to his limits narrative it will make Jaune's entire character even more obviously bad and stupid specially when applied now, though I will say, having a batman-esque character to contrast Jaune at the very beginning of the show would actually have a good sense of internal conflict and a good secondary motivation for him (as if he needed more but heeeeey.). seeing that a non aura guy working super hard to prove himself to be equal if not superior to his super-powered colleagues that would make Jaune not only reflect on his decisions to cheat but also have a better role model to look up to compared to Pyrrha's mentor-student relationship with him.

3. Somebody asked what the odds are that Death Battle uses this film to show Ruby Rose and RWBY characters compare to/scale to DC Superheroes.
Very likely, If it makes Sugar Daddy WB make a lot of dough, they'll put it on their show.

Also, Vexed pointed out how the Justice League are only here for brand/IP recognition, and this could easily be done with the Teen Titans. Another commenter suggested Young Justice.
But that would make actual sense and Rooster Teeth and Warner hates things that have actual thought put into it. They also want their mainline roster on that poster so they can get suckers to buy into this steaming pile of hot garbage so they can continue to milk DC and Consoomers which is a disgustingly smart move.
 
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If they stick to Batman being normal guy pushing himself to his limits narrative it will make Jaune's entire character even more obviously bad and stupid specially when applied now, though I will say, having a batman-esque character to contrast Jaune at the very beginning of the show would actually have a good sense of internal conflict and a good secondary motivation for him (as if he needed more but heeeeey.). seeing that a non aura guy working super hard to prove himself to be equal if not superior to his super-powered colleagues that would make Jaune not only reflect on his decisions to cheat but also have a better role model to look up to compared to Pyrrha's mentor-student relationship with him.
Guess you either forgot the comic series, or never heard of it. Bat-Faunus does have powers. He isn't a regular joe, he's just like every other RWBY main character. His super power is even super autism, his aura lets him understand and solve puzzles.
 
Guess you either forgot the comic series, or never heard of it. Bat-Faunus does have powers. He isn't a regular joe, he's just like every other RWBY main character. His super power is even super autism, his aura lets him understand and solve puzzles.
Except that this story isn't using the Remnant DC characters apparently. It's DC Multiverse games.
 
Guess you either forgot the comic series, or never heard of it. Bat-Faunus does have powers. He isn't a regular joe, he's just like every other RWBY main character. His super power is even super autism, his aura lets him understand and solve puzzles.
Heard of it, read a few panels that was shared here via 4chan, I think it was the Starro one, all I can say about it is that it was so incredibley lackluster and forgettable that the moment I scrolled to another page I instantaneously forgot the previous one. Not to mention how much of a chore it is to read a single page
 
Funny you mention Zach since everyone here has said that Vernal was turned into a shitty Aerith. Makes sense considering that V4 onwards could be seen by some as a shitty Final Fantasy clone. With the Beacon years being as, I don't know, a cross between MHA and one of the Fire Emblem games?
Beacon was like a shitty version of FFVIII and Phantasy Star Universe. And those two games are their middling games of their series.
Not just Final Fantasy, one of the overrated Final Fantasies.

Plus, still don't know which one of those is truly the final one. How can they be called Final Fantasy if there's like twenty of them?
Ask Hironobu Sakaguchi. He intended the first game to be his last attempt at making video games at all, and then it got famous.

3. Somebody asked what the odds are that Death Battle uses this film to show Ruby Rose and RWBY characters compare to/scale to DC Superheroes.
The autism behind this is going to go through the roof.

Just as much as:
1. How is Superman going to be nerfed to justify him not just wrecking everyone's shit? Also, it's going to be super interesting to see what happens so Team RWBY isn't upstaged in their own universe.
For fuck's sake, this is as autistic and out of touch as much as someone thinking Pong and Fortnight needed a crossover event or deadass combining Sonic and Pikachu into a DBZ fusion. (see whut i did thar lolololol weeeeeennn)

Not because of what you said, but what's going to be needed to be done. Zoe "Five Guys" Quinn (yes, that whore) literally Gary Stu'd Superman to be immune to spirit energy/ki back in 2014, the one thorn in every butthurt DC fanatic's fat ass they swear they deny exists and claim don't feel infecting it with gangrene and ass rot. Superman by this point in time is so stupidly broken and such a god mode power fantasy that it's more of a flaw in characterization than it is his saving grace. Then there's the elephant in the room that a place like Remnant isn't like his world where he and his kind can just up and save the day and expect every peon under his watch to "learn to get along". For all of the shit I give RWBY, it at least doesn't fall into the pitfall of being the playground of government extension ubermench  propaganda figures whose creators tanked their own industry back in 1996 and can't unfuck it.

I'm also outright amazed at how the lolcow pipeline is like an ouroburos of a clown world subway circuit. It's like poetry.
 
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