What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

[Super-Chevy454]

We could give some kudos to Ron Unz to talk about some conspiracies theories of the 1990s.

American Pravda: Major Mysteries of the 1990s

Scandals of the Clinton Presidency I spent most of the 1990s heavily involved in politics and political campaigns, often working closely with individuals quite active in conservative and Republican Party circles, and became friendly with many of them. Bill Clinton was President during those...

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Scandals of the Clinton Presidency​

I spent most of the 1990s heavily involved in politics and political campaigns, often working closely with individuals quite active in conservative and Republican Party circles, and became friendly with many of them. Bill Clinton was President during those years, and I never had strong feelings about him one way or the other, agreeing with some of his policies and disagreeing with many others. But among the conservatives whom I knew, nearly all of them hated him with a passion, sometimes for reasons I endorsed and sometimes not.
Such passionate hatred naturally inspired dark theories of the evil doings of the President and his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and these often merged into a broader current of anti-government sentiments common in conservative circles. Charges regarding such nefarious activities regularly boosted the circulation of leading conservative magazines while they also received much shriller treatment among activists farther to the fringe.

Besides of the Clinton Presidency, he also talked of Vince Foster, the TWA Flight 800, etc...

 

[jorgoth]

The "counterculture" was a psyop to glorify poverty and get people to become accustomed to it.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

I believe in God and that is a conspiracy theory because it is taken on faith not observable or measurable evidence so yeah.

 

[whogoesthere]

The "counterculture" was a psyop to glorify poverty and get people to become accustomed to it.

Not even remotely close. If you want to learn more about that whole culture, you will find a heavy CIA MKUltra presence. I could talk your ear off about how most of those counter culture trend setters where children of intelligence and high ranking military officials. I mean an awful lot of them. Fuck, Jim Morrisons showed up with no musical talent, a band that could barely play their instruments (the studio shit was Phil Spectors wrecking crew I believe), who near his untimely death mentioned he still had no desire to learn any instrument. But he showed up with a backpocked of 20 or so hits and a legacy that still persists to this day. Oh his dad? yeah he was in the Navy, he was one of the main guys in the tonkin affair, you know, the American false flag to drag them into the Vietnam war. Guy from the Birds was a son of an ex-OSS/CIA officer. Zappa, his dad worked in BioWeapons research (also note, Laurel Canyon, where most of these people live (as did Charles Manson and his family) also had a CIA "research" faculty right in it.

The more you look into that whole world, you will find that there was WAY more going on that the shit narrative we get.

 

[NyQuilninja]

Not even remotely close. If you want to learn more about that whole culture, you will find a heavy CIA MKUltra presence. I could talk your ear off about how most of those counter culture trend setters where children of intelligence and high ranking military officials. I mean an awful lot of them. Fuck, Jim Morrisons showed up with no musical talent, a band that could barely play their instruments (the studio shit was Phil Spectors wrecking crew I believe), who near his untimely death mentioned he still had no desire to learn any instrument. But he showed up with a backpocked of 20 or so hits and a legacy that still persists to this day. Oh his dad? yeah he was in the Navy, he was one of the main guys in the tonkin affair, you know, the American false flag to drag them into the Vietnam war. Guy from the Birds was a son of an ex-OSS/CIA officer. Zappa, his dad worked in BioWeapons research (also note, Laurel Canyon, where most of these people live (as did Charles Manson and his family) also had a CIA "research" faculty right in it.

The more you look into that whole world, you will find that there was WAY more going on that the shit narrative we get.

A great deal of the counter culture was created to pedal LSD for the government and to get a handle on The considerable amount of anti-war sediment and anti-government extremism that was going on

 

[Ebonic Tutor]

They released a bunch of new unredacted stuff on the JFK assassination yesterday... now what are they getting ready to distract from? There was that 4C post that mentioned something about them using something like this to distract from something they were up to but it doesn't seem to have made much of a splash.

They gonna have to break out the ayylamo's for anybody to really pay attention I believe.

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[Gender: Xenomorph]

I think it is possible climate change is gonna rip us to shreds much faster than is common knowledge and that 'they' know it. Somewhere among the powerful are a group of scientists who have excellent understanding of human psychology and decided that preventing people with weak grey matter from repdoducing would be best for the outcome of the human race after suffering whatever collapse incoming.... after the 'smart' or more capable critical thinkers in society continued to opt out of having children, possibly limiting the critical thinking genes passed on, the whole trans ideology was pushed so those who are easily confused and unstable will end up on drugs that render them infertile...by choice. So less of those genes move on bc we wont be able to care for the retarded pretty soon....also if these people really really want kids they will adopt maybe which is good for those abandoned in the system.


I dont really believe it. But it is kinda....plausible

Here's something more plausible:

First of all, aliens exist. There's a whole intergalactic alliance like in your gay ass sci-fi shows. We probably discovered them (well they discovered us) during the 1960s space race. I could also say that Sci-Fi shows like Star Trek were divised as a way to slowly adjust us to the idea of space faring civilizations, intergalactic empires and, more importantly, seeing space faring races as other people.

Secondly, humans somehow reached space age a bit faster (200k years instead of your usual 500k-1mil years) which has drawn some attention. There's nothing supernatural or special about us, just statistically, there's a chance a species develops a little bit more intelligence than they need for survival, so we needed 500k less years of selective breeding to develop a brain that can understand these concepts.

So they discovered us, and started 'tampering' with our politics. They rallied our world leaders, made themselves visible and told them that the first step to becoming a space faring civilization is learning sustainability and being unified, so they agreed to give us a head start in space faring tech if we achieve these. They don't intervene directly, but they 'nudged' us in the right direction so that we get 'a head start'. That's why everyone is obsessed about globalism and global warming maybe idk.

It's a cool conspiracy theory from a narrative standpoint but I don't know how ridiculously depressed you'd need to be to believe in it.

Some of it could be real. The dude who came up with this basically interviewed and asked people who had near-death experiences. Interesting stuff.

Not sure how much of it is true, though. If the 'archons' were powerful enough to make up world religions, you'd think this would be more... Suppressed?

I think the reptilian shit is tacked on to discredit the real conspiracy

 

[std::string]

Not sure how much of it is true, though. If the 'archons' were powerful enough to make up world religions, you'd think this would be more... Suppressed?

Yeah, that's sort of where it breaks down. You would think an all-powerful global cabal would maybe ban the subreddit talking about this stuff.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Laurel Canyon, where most of these people live (as did Charles Manson and his family)

Charles Manson and his family did not live on Laurel Canyon, they lived mostly in the Spahn Ranch in Chatsworth, California, when they weren't on a retreat in the Mojave Desert or the Death Valley where they were terrorizing the locals with dune buggies, which I always thought it was very funny.

 

[whogoesthere]

Charles Manson and his family did not live on Laurel Canyon, they lived mostly in the Spahn Ranch in Chatsworth, California, when they weren't on a retreat in the Mojave Desert or the Death Valley where they were terrorizing the locals with dune buggies, which I always thought it was very funny.

I know they didn't live their, although from time to time many members have stayed with people in the canyon. Not to mention, he was close enough by that he could get their quickly. Although his main ranch was under surveillance for some time before the crimes were committed. Large CIA presence in the canyon itself as well.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

Chemtrails is a government psyop/disinfo to distract from the use of Cesium as an additive in the SR-71s fuel (JP7).

 

[coof coof]

Here's something more plausible:

First of all, aliens exist. There's a whole intergalactic alliance like in your gay ass sci-fi shows. We probably discovered them (well they discovered us) during the 1960s space race. I could also say that Sci-Fi shows like Star Trek were divised as a way to slowly adjust us to the idea of space faring civilizations, intergalactic empires and, more importantly, seeing space faring races as other people.

Secondly, humans somehow reached space age a bit faster (200k years instead of your usual 500k-1mil years) which has drawn some attention. There's nothing supernatural or special about us, just statistically, there's a chance a species develops a little bit more intelligence than they need for survival, so we needed 500k less years of selective breeding to develop a brain that can understand these concepts.

So they discovered us, and started 'tampering' with our politics. They rallied our world leaders, made themselves visible and told them that the first step to becoming a space faring civilization is learning sustainability and being unified, so they agreed to give us a head start in space faring tech if we achieve these. They don't intervene directly, but they 'nudged' us in the right direction so that we get 'a head start'. That's why everyone is obsessed about globalism and global warming maybe idk.



Some of it could be real. The dude who came up with this basically interviewed and asked people who had near-death experiences. Interesting stuff.

Not sure how much of it is true, though. If the 'archons' were powerful enough to make up world religions, you'd think this would be more... Suppressed?

I think the reptilian shit is tacked on to discredit the real conspiracy

To add onto this a bit; Dr. John Brandenburg has some interesting ideas that are tangentially connected. I'm not entirely bought in, but it definitely gets the noggin joggin.

Assuming he's right about what happened on mars (I'm not smart enough to say otherwise), then its entirely possible that we are in some way a remnant of a larger civilization that stretched across our solar system. I think genetic tampering some 300k or more years into our past is more likely than being a direct continuation of that civilization, however.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

To add onto this a bit; Dr. John Brandenburg has some interesting ideas that are tangentially connected. I'm not entirely bought in, but it definitely gets the noggin joggin.

Assuming he's right about what happened on mars (I'm not smart enough to say otherwise), then its entirely possible that we are in some way a remnant of a larger civilization that stretched across our solar system. I think genetic tampering some 300k or more years into our past is more likely than being a direct continuation of that civilization, however.

Hmm. We are too closely related to species on earth (we can trace our lineage all the way back to single cell organisms) for that to make sense... Genetic tampering seems plausible. I would not be surprised if creatures from what is now the asteroid belt in our system.

Pretty hard to erase a nuclear, global civilization from the face of the earth, unless you nuke the entire surface. Sure let's say you manage to erase traces of cities, people, buildings... How do you remove plastics, hard steel structures and radiation debree from the surface? Or, if a species goes figging for 8bil years old coal...

If you go billions of years ago, the first life on earth could be a completely created by alien beings. Heck, we could be what's left of a gray goo scenario, where the first cells were nanobots that malfunctioned to eat their own, and it all went down from there...

 

[coof coof]

Hmm. We are too closely related to species on earth (we can trace our lineage all the way back to single cell organisms) for that to make sense... Genetic tampering seems plausible. I would not be surprised if creatures from what is now the asteroid belt in our system.

Pretty hard to erase a nuclear, global civilization from the face of the earth, unless you nuke the entire surface. Sure let's say you manage to erase traces of cities, people, buildings... How do you remove plastics, hard steel structures and radiation debree from the surface? Or, if a species goes figging for 8bil years old coal...

If you go billions of years ago, the first life on earth could be a completely created by alien beings. Heck, we could be what's left of a gray goo scenario, where the first cells were nanobots that malfunctioned to eat their own, and it all went down from there...

Yeah the billion megaton nuclear explosions he talks about would have had to have been many many millions of years ago (like 120 million or more). If you blasted earth with nukes of that size I doubt much evidence of humans would be left after that span of time. I also don't necessarily think that they ever were on earth beyond potentially fucking with us genetically while keeping their distance. Its also not impossible that whatever started life here also did the same on mars around the same time making us more similar than you would expect of "aliums" (we already know conditions on mars weren't all that different than earth at one point). There's also no way of knowing what kind of materials they used etc. Its really all just spit balling beyond the fact that something knocked mars' atmosphere off and left fallout consistent with a fission boosted hydrogen bomb of immense size.

 

[Smug]

Chemtrails is a government psyop/disinfo to distract from the use of Cesium as an additive in the SR-71s fuel (JP7).

It's a cool theory, but also why would they bother? Caesium is rare as fuck so it's hardly going to be practical for use by most adversaries, and news of the technology is readily available to anyone with a search engine. It's not like Cs is some sort of deadly greenhouse gas either. I guess it is radioactive though. This was a pretty interesting read. It could be possible that it was/is occasionally being used in specific missions and then being kept completely under wraps in defiance of declassification protocol.

Thing is, chemtrails is the exact kind of thing you can easily imagine stoners naturally coming up with. Given how cannabis causes people to make false-positive correlations between things (which is why people become both more creative and also open to stupid ideas while under the influence) it's such an obvious connection for them to make when they see 'smoke' in the sky while under the influence of a different 'smoke'.

 

[Jeff Q. Anime]

Joshua Connor "Null" Moon was born a woman and lives as a hard passing FTM.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

It's a cool theory, but also why would they bother? Caesium is rare as fuck so it's hardly going to be practical for use by most adversaries, and news of the technology is readily available to anyone with a search engine. It's not like Cs is some sort of deadly greenhouse gas either. I guess it is radioactive though. This was a pretty interesting read. It could be possible that it was/is occasionally being used in specific missions and then being kept completely under wraps in defiance of declassification protocol.

Thing is, chemtrails is the exact kind of thing you can easily imagine stoners naturally coming up with. Given how cannabis causes people to make false-positive correlations between things (which is why people become both more creative and also open to stupid ideas while under the influence) it's such an obvious connection for them to make when they see 'smoke' in the sky while under the influence of a different 'smoke'.

Per wikipedia the chemtrail conspiracy theory started in 1996. This is the same year that the US government sorta admitted to the Area 51 toxic burn pits after years of denial; https://lasvegassun.com/news/1996/aug/08/feds-investigating-burning-of-hazardous-waste-at-a/

Now is the amount of Caesium the Sr-71 burned enough to produced toxicity? Can low level exposure cause cancer? I have no idea. But I think someone in the airforce/CIA decided to hedge their bets and poison that discussion prematurely. The burn pits got quite a bit of coverage in the 90s and was a pretty big black eye for the government - and Gulf War syndrome and Agent Orange exposure were getting news coverage too. Paying a couple people to make usenet posts is a very cheap way of avoiding some uncomfortable questions even if there was no real risk from it.

 

[Flan Handler]

Yeah, that's sort of where it breaks down. You would think an all-powerful global cabal would maybe ban the subreddit talking about this stuff.

There is an argument that occultists reveal their beliefs and plans through symbolism, the idea being if we don’t stop them, we agree to it, and they don’t incur karma for the shit they want to do to us.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

occultists reveal their beliefs and plans through symbolism,

I know masons do that kind of stuff, but mostly to signal/identify with each other.

So yes, that's actually a thing.

 

[Fek]

A lazy reply:

There is an argument that occultists reveal their beliefs and plans through symbolism, the idea being if we don’t stop them, we agree to it, and they don’t incur karma for the shit they want to do to us.

This is mostly done through predictive programming (glowie ops) and "drills" or "exercises" or "training models" put on by NGOs.

The former is something that I'd wager almost every single person in this thread willfully exposes themselves to (without understanding it) on a daily basis. This would be your TV shows, movies, music, etc. You have been primed for just about every last global event or catastrophe that has gone on (and is about to be going on) well in advance, and you probably shrugged it off as coincidence (if you thought about it at all, of course). Coincidence does not exist, but it sure is a handy way to bury one's head in the sand.

The latter would be something like the "planes flying into buildings" exercises sponsored by the govt. that went on prior to 9-11. There were multiple exercises carried out prior to the wu flu farce (and every. single. last. fucking time they tried it prior to that with shit like swine/avian flu) which demonstrated exactly what was going to happen to the plebs. Both of these topics have a plethora of examples out there for those willing to dig.

Regardless of methodology employed, part of the goal is to "notify" the plebs in order to get implied consent. This remains consistent across several texts and whistleblower testimonies. I won't speculate on the "why" behind it, but it's definitely a thing.